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Posted: 02/12/2012 7:57 AM

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Ok, I live in Spokane....and for some reason pay money for the Washington Newspaper they print here.  All news seems to stop at the state line.  I was all excited to read about the UI vs. LaTech game in the paper this am but all I could find was a little AP article on page 4.

After UI beat No. 2 NMSU the local radio station, 920 am, mentioned scores for the Zags, Coogs, Chiefs and Pullman HS and nothing about Idaho.  TV is the same issue.

My question is this.  Is the UI required to call these people and provide the information print ready since they seem to be so inept in reporting the news themselves?

I am venting a little but also interested if the media types on the board can answer the question.

I am sure glad we have this forum for news!!!!!!!

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Posted: 02/12/2012 9:13 AM

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I know they send all their releases to all the "local" media. I'm sure some of it's the "you're covering an Idaho team before a Washington team?!" worry and priorities that the wa media has. I also know the single-digit win seasons hurt our popularity a lot.

edit: another thing that would help: beating some teams from washington

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Posted: 02/12/2012 9:31 AM

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It's even worse in North Idaho.  At least the Spokesman has an Idaho Vandal beat writer, Josh Wright, who covers us.  The Cd'a Press has nobody assigned to us.  They spend a lot more time and ink on the Gonzaga Bulldogs.  Mark Nelke, the sports editor, will write an occasional peice, like today, but not very often.
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Posted: 02/12/2012 9:55 AM

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Isn't the CD'A Press basically a shopper with it's main coverage on the owner and the owner's ego ?
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Posted: 02/12/2012 9:58 AM

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sandpointvandal wrote: It's even worse in North Idaho.  At least the Spokesman has an Idaho Vandal beat writer, Josh Wright, who covers us.  The Cd'a Press has nobody assigned to us.  They spend a lot more time and ink on the Gonzaga Bulldogs.  Mark Nelke, the sports editor, will write an occasional peice, like today, but not very often.
Today's Press had Norh Idaho's game with the biggest headlines (understandable).  Next, was Gonzaga with the second largest headlines and last, but not least, the Vandals were there at the bottom of the Sports section.   Just the way it is.  Gonzaga dominates the sports media in North Idaho and they have probably earned it.  WSU eclipses them only when they beat the Zags and are ranked above them in the national polls.  The Vandals basically bring up the rear in the Spokesman and the CDA Press.  Until we win a league championship and start stringing 20 win seasons together this won't change for a long time.  noidea
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Posted: 02/12/2012 1:16 PM

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were on a good streak right now lets stay focused on Port State. Being in the nw i would see some press due to beating a nw team and having a 5game winning steak for it. We need to be focused for game against portland. They have some guys that would like to prove them above a program they left. Expect to see a hard fought game.

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Posted: 02/12/2012 5:12 PM

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LaRueVandal wrote:

Ok, I live in Spokane....and for some reason pay money for the Washington Newspaper they print here.  All news seems to stop at the state line.  I was all excited to read about the UI vs. LaTech game in the paper this am but all I could find was a little AP article on page 4.

After UI beat No. 2 NMSU the local radio station, 920 am, mentioned scores for the Zags, Coogs, Chiefs and Pullman HS and nothing about Idaho.  TV is the same issue.

My question is this.  Is the UI required to call these people and provide the information print ready since they seem to be so inept in reporting the news themselves?

I am venting a little but also interested if the media types on the board can answer the question.

I am sure glad we have this forum for news!!!!!!!


The ONLY thing that will change that is Idaho winning a lot more than it has in the past.  Verlin has been able to turn the tide and raise the bar at Idaho, but the Vandals simply have to keep it up, knock off a WSU and Gonzaga at least from time-to-time, and start making some hay in conference and national tourneys.

For the last decade and a half, especially in hoops, Idaho has been pretty much a non-factor.  Spokane has local teams to cover -- especially Gonzaga and WSU -- they will cover Idaho when they think it's warranted.

Idaho continuing to win and making themselves a factor is the only thing that will change the current coverage level.

As Mailleman said, the school publishes releases to the region.  It's their choice to publish it or not.
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Posted: 02/12/2012 8:15 PM

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SeaVandal1 wrote:
LaRueVandal wrote:

Ok, I live in Spokane....and for some reason pay money for the Washington Newspaper they print here.  All news seems to stop at the state line.  I was all excited to read about the UI vs. LaTech game in the paper this am but all I could find was a little AP article on page 4.

After UI beat No. 2 NMSU the local radio station, 920 am, mentioned scores for the Zags, Coogs, Chiefs and Pullman HS and nothing about Idaho.  TV is the same issue.

My question is this.  Is the UI required to call these people and provide the information print ready since they seem to be so inept in reporting the news themselves?

I am venting a little but also interested if the media types on the board can answer the question.

I am sure glad we have this forum for news!!!!!!!


The ONLY thing that will change that is Idaho winning a lot more than it has in the past.  Verlin has been able to turn the tide and raise the bar at Idaho, but the Vandals simply have to keep it up, knock off a WSU and Gonzaga at least from time-to-time, and start making some hay in conference and national tourneys.

For the last decade and a half, especially in hoops, Idaho has been pretty much a non-factor.  Spokane has local teams to cover -- especially Gonzaga and WSU -- they will cover Idaho when they think it's warranted.

Idaho continuing to win and making themselves a factor is the only thing that will change the current coverage level.

As Mailleman said, the school publishes releases to the region.  It's their choice to publish it or not.

The most prominent time in U of I basketball history was from 1980 to 1983.  We enjoyed very positive NW press and I can remember Bob Kurtz on ESPN leading every Thursday and Saturday night's broadcast with the Vandal score wearing some sort of Vandal gear.  Why do you think we enjoyed this positive press?  Because we not only won alot, we DOMINATED the Northwest.  We consistently beat teams like OREGON, OREGON STATE (Coached by Ralph Miller), WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON STATE (Coached by George Raveling) and Gonzaga by 20+ points.  We were rated as high as 6th in the nation ( a much bigger feat in basketball than football).  Teams hated coming to the dome because of the loud and rowdy crowd.  Yes, winning solves alot of issues, but, dominating puts you on the national map.

We may have a nice 5 game winning streak going and it should be enough to garner some local interest.  It's time the Moscow Daily News as well as the Argonaut makes Vandal basketball a big deal.

I can guarentee you that, if we start next season out with a 16 game winning streak and we blow teams out, tickets for Vandal basketball will be hard to come by and you'll be glad we have the Cowan Spectrum that can hold upwards of 10,000 fans.  Check out Monson's mural in THE CLUB sometime and you'll get a feel about how magical a winning program can be.
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Posted: 02/12/2012 10:13 PM

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"The most prominent time in U of I basketball history was from 1980 to 1983. "  Yes that was a real highlight in our athletic history.  However, I think we got more attention back in the early 60s when Gus Johnson was here.  I remember a Sports Illustrated article and lots of national attention.  Getting to see him play was one of those experiences you never forget.  I was at Oregon and remember everyone wanting to go to the Duck game just to see him.  Maybe even more than winning I think fans are drawn to "star" power.  The NBA certainly understands that.  Lightfoot was a huge draw for us when he was here.  Though this year's team has started winning I don't think there is any one on the team that people are especially excited about.

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Posted: 02/13/2012 11:32 AM

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sandpointvandal wrote: It's even worse in North Idaho.  At least the Spokesman has an Idaho Vandal beat writer, Josh Wright, who covers us.  The Cd'a Press has nobody assigned to us.  They spend a lot more time and ink on the Gonzaga Bulldogs.  Mark Nelke, the sports editor, will write an occasional peice, like today, but not very often.

Very true.  The CDA Press is a very lousy paper for sports reporting.  They will cover Gonzaga, WSU, and about 4 GSL games on the front cover before they even say anything about the CDA, Lake City, and Post Falls games, much less Vandal Athletics.  I get the Spokesman because at least then you see something about UI even if it isn't much

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Posted: 02/13/2012 12:07 PM

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I actually saw something on Vandal basketball this morning on KTVB.  I was pretty surprised, especially since they were covering the Vandals for something good, even mentioning that we were in third place but had beat the two teams ahead of us during the 4 game win streak.
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Posted: 02/13/2012 12:53 PM

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My question is this.  Is the UI required to call these people and provide the information print ready since they seem to be so inept in reporting the news themselves?

The U of I does release all of the information about a basketball game to all local media outlets.  And, they release a lot of news, statistics, etc.  They also include images and some interesting background.  So, yes, they send this information and you can assume it is a requirement that the school sends this information.  The information is usually released very soon after a game.

After the information is sent to the local media, it is entirely the decision of the media's outlet writers and editors to decide what they run and if they run that particular news.

In my experience the local papers do not run enough news about the Vandals and there seem to be a variety of reasons.  But, as SeaVandal1 pointed out, winning is one of the biggest factors.

It takes more than some wins because it will probably take some consistent winning for the media outlets to increase the coverage.  There were a lot of bad years before Verlin arrived.  After Verlin arrived winning increased, but there were a few losses that may have dampened the speed of when the Vandals would wind up in the local media.

This season, the men's team, for example, is poised to end the season in a good standing and enter the WAC tournament with a good seed and some very good potential.  But, a few losses and the interest of the local media might decline and there is no guarantee that more wins will increase coverage, but it usually does the trick.

Finally, most of the local papers have ways for readers to submit feedback.  In 2004 I was in Moscow for the start of fall football camp (Holt's first season) and I visited the bookstore.  The S-R had a booth out front and they were trying to sell subscriptions.  Their sales rep. was taken aback when I told him I will not subscribe to a paper that trashes my alma mater so much.  That was 2004 and coverage has increased and changed since that summer.  So, again, more winning will probably do the trick.  The Vandals were horrible in football - and had been horrible for years - prior to 2004 (Tom Cable era).  The 2009 season changed football coverage for the Vandals in the local media.  The men's basketball team appears to be heading in that direction too.

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Posted: 02/13/2012 1:33 PM

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LJVandal wrote: My question is this.  Is the UI required to call these people and provide the information print ready since they seem to be so inept in reporting the news themselves?

The U of I does release all of the information about a basketball game to all local media outlets.  And, they release a lot of news, statistics, etc.  They also include images and some interesting background.  So, you they send this information and you can assume it is a requirement that the school sends this information.  The information is usually released very soon after a game.

After the information is sent to the local media, it is entirely the decision of the media's outlet writers and editors to decide what they run and if they run that particular news.

In my experience the local papers do not run enough news about the Vandals and there seem to be a variety of reasons.  But, as SeaVandal1 pointed out, winning is one of the biggest factors.

It takes more than some wins because it will probably take some consistent winning for the media outlets to increase the coverage.  There were a lot of bad years before Verlin arrived.  After Verlin arrived winning increased, but there were a few losses that may have dampened the speed of when the Vandals would wind up in the local media.

This season, the men's team, for example, is poised to end the season in a good standing and enter the WAC tournament with a good seed and some very good potential.  But, a few losses and the interest of the local media might decline and there is no guarantee that more wins will increase coverage, but it usually does the trick.

Finally, most of the local papers have ways for readers to submit feedback.  In 2004 I was in Moscow for the start of fall football camp (Holt's first season) and I visited the bookstore.  The S-R had a booth out front and they were trying to sell subscriptions.  Their sales rep. was taken aback when I told him I will not subscribe to a paper that trashes my alma mater so much.  That was 2004 and coverage has increased and changed since that summer.  So, again, more winning will probably do the trick.  The Vandals were horrible in football - and had been horrible for years - prior to 2004 (Tom Cable era).  The 2009 season changed football coverage for the Vandals in the local media.  The men's basketball team appears to be heading in that direction too.

In all fairness there was a lot to trash about our football program in the Cable and Holt years.........more than just the win-loss record.

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Posted: 02/13/2012 8:10 PM

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I live in Post Falls and subscribe to the Spokesman.  The reason I do so is that I will at least have some article on the game from the night before...wether it's football or basketball.  I have emailed the sports editor and talked to people at the CDA press about the coverage they give Idaho and they don't really seem to care.  In this area Gonzaga, for good reasons has set the bar really high and they get 80% of the press.  Local team on a tremendous run.  For Idaho to grab more of the press, we not only have to win, but we really need to get into the tourney.  Listening to the radio and reading the paper, they pretty much dismiss any tournament that isn't the NIT or NCAA.  Really with all of Gonzagas success they barely recognized WSU when they were in the NIT a couple years ago.   We need to beat some of the local teams and catch lightning in a bottle and make a run to THE tourney.   In Football, we had a bunch of press a couple years ago on our bowl run because WSU and UW were so terrible.  They will give us attention, but we need to smack them in the face with a reason to give that attention.  One other thought, and I think that I mentioned this in the other thread about attendance.  We need to figure out how to get the students to the game.  I get asked a few times a year to attend a Gonzaga game.  I've gone a few times and I always talk about how I watched Lightfoot go for 50 or 51 in the old Kennel.  Most of the people that ask me to go talk about how exciting it is to watch the student section....very few talk to me about whatever player I need to watch.  The student atmosphere...getting the electricity in the building will bring in the casual fan and will get the business that wants to be part of something fun and exciting to donate.  We need to get some juice in the Cowen Spectrum and the easiest way to get that is with a couple thousand students getting after it.....helps when we win the games with the high attendance to bring them back.
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Posted: 02/14/2012 6:31 AM

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Idaduck wrote: "The most prominent time in U of I basketball history was from 1980 to 1983. "  Yes that was a real highlight in our athletic history.  However, I think we got more attention back in the early 60s when Gus Johnson was here.  I remember a Sports Illustrated article and lots of national attention.  Getting to see him play was one of those experiences you never forget.  I was at Oregon and remember everyone wanting to go to the Duck game just to see him.  Maybe even more than winning I think fans are drawn to "star" power.  The NBA certainly understands that.  Lightfoot was a huge draw for us when he was here.  Though this year's team has started winning I don't think there is any one on the team that people are especially excited about.
Let's just say "arguably" it was the most prominent time in Idaho history, I did not ever have the pleasure to watch Gus Johnson play and had I, my opinion might be swayed.

I'll say this, if you're not winning, you better have a star to draw the crowds, however, I think a Gus Johnson is a once in the history of U of I phenom.  It's much easier to win 20 games.
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Posted: 02/14/2012 7:55 AM

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I think that we all agree that it is about winning....  If the football team can string a couple of eight or nine win seasons together and the basketball team and string a couple of 20 win seasons together that will help a lot .  Also, it would help both teams if they can "upset' a few teams along the way.  If Idaho football can win a BCS game and if the basketball team can take a couple of PAC-10 teams on the road that too will help.  Finally, I hope that the local talent really pulls through for us.  I think Conner Hill from Post Falls has had a great freshmen year.  It would be awesome if he had a stellar soph, junior, and senior season along with the entire team winning 20+ games.  I am also rooting for Chad and Deion on the football side of the equation.  I hope that both of those guys are true studs on Idaho's football team.  If the above comes to fruition then I can see the local papers such as the CDA press, Spokesman, even the Trib giving Idaho substantial ink.  But, it all starts with winning.....  

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Posted: 02/14/2012 9:53 AM

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CD'a Press this morning had a picture and article about Pangos,GU, being named player of the week in the WCC.  No mention about Barone garning the same honor in the WAC.  The Review mentioned both players.

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Posted: 02/14/2012 9:54 AM

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If so few local media outlets cover the Vandals, ( and I'm not doubting anyone's word here,) who are all the people on "press row" in the dome? Watching on VXtra, the scorers table is positioned with it's back to the camera on the bench side of the court. Evan is sitting at the (viewer's)  right end, with sideline official/replay monitors to his immediate left. Normal configuration would have the scoreboard operator, scorekeepers, visitor's radio broadcaster, etc. along that table as well. But there is a nearly complete row of about a dozen or more people at a table along the opposite side of the court, who appear to be reporters. Are there 4-5 Vandal reporters and 6-8 for the visitors? That doesn't seem likely. I've heard mention of the Daily News, LTown Trib, S-R, and the Argonaut, who else is it? Just curious.
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Posted: 02/14/2012 11:09 AM

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The way things are set up this year for most men's game, media reps are at one end of the table from the Argonaut, KUOI, Vandal Nation, Associated Press, Spokesman Review, The Tribune, the Daily News and visiting media.  The rest of the table includes the stats crew and the GVN guy (me) doubling as a spotter for a UI stat crew guy doing manual stats as a backup in case the stat computer system goes down.  One end of the table is reserved for team medical personnel.  In a doubleheader the Vandal Radio Network broadcaster sits on this sideline for the women's game.

If the game is being telecast the TV guys sit near the PA announcer with backs to the cameras and people get shifted around a bit.
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Posted: 02/16/2012 10:46 PM

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murphyrockwell wrote:
Very true.  The CDA Press is a very lousy paper for sports reporting.  They will cover Gonzaga, WSU, and about 4 GSL games on the front cover before they even say anything about the CDA, Lake City, and Post Falls games, much less Vandal Athletics.  I get the Spokesman because at least then you see something about UI even if it isn't much
You're reading a different CDA Press than I am.  I read the online edition and have never seen mention of the GSL unless CDA, LC, or PF played them.  After subscribing for 29 years, I dropped the Spokesman a few months back because they chose to ignore Idaho high school sports unless the coaches call in stats and comments.  They have only one reporter covering all the high schools in their distruibution area, and he understandably spends 80% of his time on the GSL.  They still have a lot of subscribers in North Idaho, but my bet is that it's a fraction of what it once was.  The Press does a decent job on local high schools sports, but I agree that Vandal coverage is lacking.




  

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