Posted: 02/01/2013 8:20 AM
Posted: 02/01/2013 2:48 PM
Last edited 02/01/2013 3:30 PM by TyVandal
Posted: 02/01/2013 3:22 PM
TyVandal wrote: My impression is that we've reached a ceiling with Verlin. An arena would boost the program a little bit but he's been very consistent at what he does for 5 years and that's a sign that we will continue to see what we have seen. The worst he'll do is a few games under .500, the best he'll do is a few games over .500He'll get one recruit per year that turns into a pretty good player (Barone, Madison, Hill, hopefully Egbert and Callandret) but he'll also get some high school players that never develop for whatever reason (Kammerer, Borton, Bazille) and one or 2 players per year that don't ever show up or don't stick around more than a couple months (Winston, Sterns, Parker, Idell Bell, Anthony Jones, Starke, etc.)He'll find some JC kids that become decent contributors by their final year (Ledbetter, Henderson, Wiley, Jefferson, Tatum, Geiger, Habeeb, McChristian, Bandoumel, DeSousa) but he'll also miss completely on several (Parker, Starke, Faines, Bell, Marcus Lawrence, Seck)The comparison between Verlin and Morrill is actually an excellent illustration. They both get a similar caliber of player, but somehow Morrill gets them to bust the butts and play with intensity every game and Verlin almost never gets his team to play to their potential for even a complete game.
Posted: 02/02/2013 5:59 AM
Posted: 02/02/2013 7:39 AM
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FosterVandal wrote: It just amazes me the dilusional state of Vandal fans. Compare Verlin's record in 5 years to the previous 20 years. Wac road wins, overall wins, ect. You have no idea how well he has done there with what he has to work with. The administration support and facilities is an absolute joke. Nic attendance to. It's all a joke and embarrasing. Yet Vandals think they should have been invited the the Mt. West. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A BASKETBALL ARENA! It's 2013 and your D1? (won't even get into the football arena) Not even a plan. Be careful what you wish for fellas. alot of people on the outside see what the coach has done there with the tools he has to work with.
Posted: 02/02/2013 8:04 AM
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Last edited 02/02/2013 9:58 AM by Mailleman
Posted: 02/02/2013 11:24 AM
Mailleman wrote: FosterVandal wrote: It just amazes me the dilusional state of Vandal fans. Compare Verlin's record in 5 years to the previous 20 years. Wac road wins, overall wins, ect. You have no idea how well he has done there with what he has to work with. The administration support and facilities is an absolute joke. Nic attendance to. It's all a joke and embarrasing. Yet Vandals think they should have been invited the the Mt. West. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A BASKETBALL ARENA! It's 2013 and your D1? (won't even get into the football arena) Not even a plan. Be careful what you wish for fellas. alot of people on the outside see what the coach has done there with the tools he has to work with. Bravo. Verlin is the first Idaho MBB coach to be legitimately above .500 in more than 20 years. While his losses are extremely frustrating, the lack of perspective is pathetic.I also love how some underclassmen are in the "just never developed" category. Seeing we're into stereotyping like 427 loves to, c'mon Vandal "fans". Pop your heads out, see the world, and see the difference. If you think Idaho is currently a place where you can assemble an entire team of all-stars, you may want to switch teams for a while.
Posted: 02/02/2013 11:31 AM
Posted: 02/02/2013 11:32 AM
FosterVandal wrote: And while your "fact finding", compare how much money Coach Verlin has raised himself for the benefit of the program campared to others. Yes, he has to raise money because of the ineptness of the fundraising there.
Posted: 02/02/2013 1:17 PM
Last edited 02/02/2013 3:17 PM by joeyvee
Posted: 02/02/2013 2:56 PM
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Last edited 02/02/2013 4:20 PM by Mailleman
Posted: 02/02/2013 6:52 PM
Mailleman wrote: It should have been obvious when I put "fans" in quotes. On these boards anyone who doesn't subscribe to the ideas at hand is not a "Vandal". FosterVandal brings some very legit points. If the Cowan isn't an arena, and isn't a dump, what is it? (other than a temporary excuse for a bball facility) Our practice courts are in the student rec center. The only thing the Vandal basketball teams have to call home is their locker rooms. And not to pick on Joey, but this is exactly the point. "Passion" and "Pride" only go so far, and they sure as hell don't win games for us. You can't just say playing at home (on one of the worst home "courts") and year-X of a coach's reign (a pointless statistic) entitle anything. To think the facility doesn't matter is to ignore reality completely. For Idaho, a Bball program that has a historical record under .500, a consistently above .500 coach should be a blessing. Vandals don't "deserve" nice things, Vandals should earn and build them, and so far, we haven't. We need to get off the boat the USS Pretentious before we can get anywhere.
Posted: 02/02/2013 7:34 PM
vandal427 wrote: That being said, I simply do not see why it's so ridiculous to critique a coach that has never won a conference tournament game, and who has accumulated 7 wins (sorry Walla Walla doesn't count) and 12 losses in his 5th season with the league's best post.
Posted: 02/02/2013 9:31 PM
I sure wish Idaho would win 100% of its games. I remember that several years prior to Verlin arriving that UI was lucky to win 10 to 15 percent of its games. When Verlin arrived he changed the culture of men's basketball program. Despite not having a winning record this year the fact is the Vandals are highly competitive. That's a lot more than what could be said in the years prior to his arrival. I think Idaho is damn lucky to have Verlin as its coach. It also seems strange that even after winning 19 games last year (the most wins since Idaho won 24 games in 1992-93) that people are ready to throw away a good coach.
Last edited 02/02/2013 9:32 PM by sportsisfun1960
Posted: 02/03/2013 6:28 AM
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