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I believe we can survive as an Independent - - ingredients:
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Posted: 01/23/2013 8:12 AM
I believe we can survive as an Independent - - ingredients:
1. Petrino gets us going and we get Ws and a signature shocker once in awhile
2. Spear continues his magic with scheduling -- Nov. seems to be the most tricky and difficult
3. A bowl eligible Idaho gets into a bowl
Right now, seeing our recruiting success, I believe the above added to this, there is no reason for "fear" that Independent status can not work or is an embarrassment. With the above ingredients, butts in the seat and fund raising will increase.
Yes, a FBS conference would be the prime objective, but this Independent status, I believe can have "legs" for Idaho with our HC who is amazing me daily with recruiting and hustle.
Fear not to being Indy. This time next year I really feel we will be in a good position.
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Posted: 01/23/2013 8:52 AM
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I agree with all your points. There really is no obstacle preventing us from being independent indefinitely, as long as the boosters/fans support Idaho as an FBS independent school.
That said, we REALLY need to get into a conference. We do have a few things going for us...
1) Oly sports already have a home
2) the MWC is not an option for the foreseeable future -- shows other conference suitors that we would fully commit to them as a FB only school
3) geography is less of a factor than in the past -- especially with FB only
4) we are a legitimate addition to any FBS conference -- solid school that doesn't have to transition or add sports/scholarships -- immediate contributor
5) we offer games in the Pacific timezone for television packaging -- good for primetime games for viewers watching in the East (helpful to MAC, SB)
6) we have a defacto bowl tie-in with the Idaho Potato bowl -- helpful to any conference but especially to one not currently affiliated (i.e., SB)
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Posted: 01/23/2013 10:03 AM
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Great points. I have talked to several Treasure Valley high school coaches in the last few weeks. I heard comments from them that the Idaho Independent schedule was exciting to their players. Also, Idaho is now making contact with staff in the TV. Good news. Thanks Dan for your points. Totally agree.
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Posted: 01/23/2013 8:44 PM
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I love the optimism about independence and our new staff. What I question is your excitment over recruiting. What I have seen so far in kids that we have landed is an NR rating with zero interest from any other D1 schools. That worries me of the level of talent. Not as much with the NR rankings but the fact that the players are not recieving other offers from other D1 schools. Hopefully the coaches find some "Diamonds in the Rough". Good luck coaches and players. We as fans are dieing to have a winner to get behind.
GO VANDALS!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 01/23/2013 9:56 PM
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I am hoping that this staff is great at finding diamonds in the rough and developing these kids. I think this type of recruiting is what pushed the junior college over the top in the early going.
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Posted: 01/23/2013 10:13 PM
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I think UI has hit a bottom and the football program is going to rise. The trick will be taking advantage of the opportunities (I know that I have my rose colored glasses on) success can bring and then sustaining the success over the long haul. I think with the Potatoe Bowl opportunity (I also think it will be hard for the MWC to have 6 eligible teams) that kids from the Magic and Treasure Valleys' would be excited to play at Idaho.
Tell the World what you intend to do but first show it. Napolean Hill
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Posted: 01/24/2013 11:06 AM
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I'm dubious that UI can sustain Independence for any length of time.
Spear pulled a rabbit out of his hat by finding a replacement for the home NMSU game - props Dr. Spear.
However, there are still 3 body bag games. Surprisingly, no games against BSC teams. Two games versus MWC teams. Now that the MWC is stabilized at 12, the Hair Thompson will impose the BJC Rule - no games against Idaho - lol!
Five home games is probably as good as it gets. With no revenue sharing from conference TV contracts and bowl games look for the number of body bag games to increase making it more difficult to achieve winning seasons and bowl games.
USC Dad - Fight On!
Last edited 01/24/2013 12:49 PM by NebrVandal
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Posted: 01/24/2013 12:27 PM
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Are you calling WSU a bodybad game?
I for one am quite happy there are no BSC games.
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Posted: 01/24/2013 1:01 PM
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Calling the wazzu game a bodybag game only because they are in the PAC-12.
No doubt, UI makes more money playing a road game against a SEC type team than a home game versus a BSC team.
USC Dad - Fight On!
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Posted: 01/24/2013 1:54 PM
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Why would Thompson care if MWC teams played Idaho?
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Posted: 01/24/2013 1:56 PM
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I don't put much stock in those ratings if we're talking less than 4 stars. I mean, how well are these kids really being evaluated in HS, especially on the West Coast/Rocky Mountains? Someone said Johnny Football (the Heisman winner) was a 3-star recruit out of HS. Not sure if that's true or not. Also, I've noticed that in past classes, when Idaho did get a touted recruit (a guy offered by other FBS schools), they either didn't stick around or never lived up to recruiting hype. Running backs seem to be the biggest swing and miss. Troy Vital and Brian Flowers both come to mind, and there are many others. Seems like our best kids are diamonds in the rough who go under the radar. A guy like Princeton McCartney who blew out his knee his senior year. Or a guy like Mike Iupati who struggled with the language. Or guys that can be coached up or have the frame but need a solid strength program (thinking Ryan Phillips, Jake Scott or Dave Vobora). I mean, really...were any Vandal alums in the NFL highly recruited out of high school? I like the fact we're bringing in kids with good bloodlines (Linehan and Saunders). Let's face it, recruiting is tough even with a conference. I'm happy we have some coaches who are riverboat gamblers. As for independence effecting our recruiting, I really have to wonder about this. No question, Idaho's competition is probably spewing some negative crap about our lack of a conference. But to a recruit, does it really matter? I mean, we play some big time teams, and can still go to a bowl. If we run the table there's a chance at much more. How is that different than any team in the Mountain West Conference? A conference championship, sure...but to play in a New Mexico or Las Vegas Bowl game? Our kids will get to see some of college football's best stages/atmosphere...the Grove in Miss, Florida State, at the Swamp in Florida...to me, I'd rather play in those games! Not only that, as an Indy we've got the best of all worlds (beatable mid majors at home and on the road, and some big time college football games on the road). MichaelRay1968 wrote: I love the optimism about independence and our new staff. What I question is your excitment over recruiting. What I have seen so far in kids that we have landed is an NR rating with zero interest from any other D1 schools. That worries me of the level of talent. Not as much with the NR rankings but the fact that the players are not recieving other offers from other D1 schools. Hopefully the coaches find some "Diamonds in the Rough". Good luck coaches and players. We as fans are dieing to have a winner to get behind.
GO VANDALS!!!!!!!!
Last edited 01/24/2013 2:14 PM by HuntingtonBeachVandal
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Posted: 01/25/2013 2:25 PM
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Speaking of bowls that would take us...what is the status of the Idaho Potato bowl? Are they still going to exist without the WAC component?
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Posted: 01/25/2013 2:46 PM
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They have now contracted with the MWC in place of the WAC. vandal4ever wrote: Speaking of bowls that would take us...what is the status of the Idaho Potato bowl? Are they still going to exist without the WAC component? |
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Posted: 01/25/2013 4:10 PM
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vandal32 wrote: Are you calling WSU a bodybad game?
I for one am quite happy there are no BSC games. Is WSU not a BCS game? |
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Posted: 01/25/2013 5:42 PM
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IDVandal wrote:
vandal32 wrote: Are you calling WSU a bodybad game?
I for one am quite happy there are no BSC games.
Is WSU not a BCS game? Yes WSU is a BCS team, BSC was refering to Big Sky Conference. |
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Posted: 01/25/2013 8:13 PM
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A loss to even one BSC team would be a big indicator of where Idaho's football program belongs. You're looking at 2-10 at best in 2013, and very well could end up 0-12. I applaud the challlenging schedule, but you'd at least have a chance at better than .500 in the Big Sky.
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Posted: 01/25/2013 9:12 PM
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vandal32 wrote: Are you calling WSU a bodybad game?
I for one am quite happy there are no BSC games. Are you saying that a team that we are 8-52 against and has more than double our budget isn't a body bag game? BJC blew past us by playing cupcakes and winning, meanwhile we're 1-11 and cant beat 3 freaking FCS teams and we want to beat our chest about playing tough schedules. We need wins, we need bowl games,. we don't need 40 point blowouts. |
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Posted: 01/25/2013 9:29 PM
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I'm a bit confused by your post...what exactly did you mean by we don't need 40 pt blowouts? Does this mean you want UI to play teams we'll beat by < 39 pts or avoid playing teams that will beat UI by +39 pts? alle9219 wrote:
vandal32 wrote: Are you calling WSU a bodybad game?
I for one am quite happy there are no BSC games. Are you saying that a team that we are 8-52 against and has more than double our budget isn't a body bag game?
BJC blew past us by playing cupcakes and winning, meanwhile we're 1-11 and cant beat 3 freaking FCS teams and we want to beat our chest about playing tough schedules. We need wins, we need bowl games,. we don't need 40 point blowouts. Tell the World what you intend to do but first show it. Napolean Hill
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Posted: 01/26/2013 3:36 AM
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We need w's, whether we get them by last second fg's or blowouts. What we don't need is games that we have a 90% chance of losing. I'm all for playing WSU and BJC but not until we stand a decent shot of winning.
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Posted: 01/26/2013 4:32 AM
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The only thing I would change is replace FSU with Iowa ST or Purdue play the lower tier BCS teams.November games are the problem so a scheduling alliance with one or more conferences could allow for a longer run as an independent.Until we start winning I would schedule losing FCS teams .We are playing Old Dominion FCS play off team that is recruiting for future FBS status .Boise is playing Tenn-Martin not NDSU or EWU that is what we should do until we get it rolling.We can also sell any of our home T.V. games and guarantee good weather .So if we start winning and get a couple of decent home opponents that could be extra revenue.We are not gonna get a package deal like BYU but could sell individual games going forward.
Last edited 02/16/2013 5:32 PM by Mark2012
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