finish #1 and #2 in the Scout team rankings?

That's what I want to know.

Are you disappointed with Nebraska's rankings?

Does Nebraska usually do well in recruiting rankings?

If you are going by cold weather and no beaches, you can throw ND in there as well.

Sambo is a glass half empty Nebraska poster who might have been a little sarcastic with his comment.

I still find it interesting that of the top 11 schools in the Scout rankings (of which we are number 11), we are the only school with no Top 100 players.  AND, the 7 schools ranked AFTER us all had Top 100 players in their classes.

For us to be ranked number 11 speaks to class size and consistancy, and the fact there are no immediate impact players in it.

Got to coach 'em up.

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finish #1 and #2 in the Scout team rankings?

That's what I want to know.

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No beaches? Ever been there in that area in the summer? Lake Michigan is huge to the area

kmillz wrote: I still find it interesting that of the top 11 schools in the Scout rankings (of which we are number 11), we are the only school with no Top 100 players.  AND, the 7 schools ranked AFTER us all had Top 100 players in their classes.

For us to be ranked number 11 speaks to class size and consistancy, and the fact there are no immediate impact players in it.

Got to coach 'em up.

No immediate impact players??  Beg to differ...guess we'll revisit this topic in a few months!

You and too many others act like Michigan and Ohio are near the North Pole.

It's not cold year round and most of the football season is played in pleasant weather. By the time it usually gets cold the regular season is over and those programs are usually in a bowl game in some warm and sunny local.

uncwatch wrote: You and too many others act like Michigan and Ohio are near the North Pole.

It's not cold year round and most of the football season is played in pleasant weather. By the time it usually gets cold the regular season is over and those programs are usually in a bowl game in some warm and sunny local.

RE: the title of your reply......I believe that's the point of the OP.

We hear wayyyyyyyy too much about how we can't recruit here, there are sooooo many disadvantages, it's so hard to get a kid to come to poor old Nebraska with its cold weather and no beaches and nothing for the kids.

Well, obviously SOME schools can get top flight talent without being in the $EC or on the west coast. 

So we should be able to pull kids, too.  Facilities, tradition, a few yearly shellackings....we have it all.  (Wait, forget the last part.)  Point is, we shouldn't be bowing down to anyone or rattling off these supposed reasons why we just can't pull in upper tier classes year in and year out.

Robdaddy wrote:

uncwatch wrote: You and too many others act like Michigan and Ohio are near the North Pole.

It's not cold year round and most of the football season is played in pleasant weather. By the time it usually gets cold the regular season is over and those programs are usually in a bowl game in some warm and sunny local.

RE: the title of your reply......I believe that's the point of the OP.

We hear wayyyyyyyy too much about how we can't recruit here, there are sooooo many disadvantages, it's so hard to get a kid to come to poor old Nebraska with its cold weather and no beaches and nothing for the kids.

Well, obviously SOME schools can get top flight talent without being in the $EC or on the west coast. 

So we should be able to pull kids, too.  Facilities, tradition, a few yearly shellackings....we have it all.  (Wait, forget the last part.)  Point is, we shouldn't be bowing down to anyone or rattling off these supposed reasons why we just can't pull in upper tier classes year in and year out.

It's not so much that we (the sunshine pumpers) are wanting to say wayyyyyyy too much that we can't pull in upper classes. It is just recognizing that there are disadvantages associated with our geographical location.  Which make it MUCH more difficult.  Many of the posters totally fail to recognize that and just think every recruit wants to automatically come to Nebraska and the coaching staff fails to offer them a chance.

If you look at the makeup of the top 20 recruiting classes you will notice that only a few
top teams from the North are in that group.  I think we can all agree to rule out Notre Dame in the argument but of the others, only Ohio State is pulling a significant amount of players from outside their state, or their bordering states.  Nebraska only has 15% of this years recruits coming from within 500 miles of Lincoln.  Where as Michigan gets home cooking with 80% of their recruits coming from their area and Ohio State with almost 60% coming from their area.  Even then....with Ohio State....Urban Meyer's reach is still much better because of his SEC connections.  Not sure if I would call OU a northern state but even they got 80% of their recruits from Oklahoma or Texas.

My point being is that it IS much more difficult to recruit to Nebraska because recruits like to stay closer to home.  If they are going to be attracted to a school a good distance away there are alot of things to factor in.  Weather and outdoor attractions are certainly a part of it when you are trying to get that extra little edge.  I think if you consider all the factors and how much more effort it takes to recruit in somebody else's backyard that this coaching staff is doing a great job and I do not believe in reality that we can consistantly recruit with those top teams.  In our best years we are a top 10 at best. 

Now I know people don't want to hear the reality of it.  But if you aren't willing to accept the reality of the excuses and difficulties then there will always be someone reminding them of it.

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kmillz wrote: I still find it interesting that of the top 11 schools in the Scout rankings (of which we are number 11), we are the only school with no Top 100 players.  AND, the 7 schools ranked AFTER us all had Top 100 players in their classes.

For us to be ranked number 11 speaks to class size and consistancy, and the fact there are no immediate impact players in it.

Got to coach 'em up.

No immediate impact players??  Beg to differ...guess we'll revisit this topic in a few months!

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I should clarify. Impact players meaning the top 100, 5 star types you see the schools ranked ahead and behind us getting. Certainly no one knows how any of these guys will turn out in a few years.

Again, our class is consistent with good players, as per their rankings, but no "great" players that would really elevate our final results.

cd2007 wrote: Are you disappointed with Nebraska's rankings?

Does Nebraska usually do well in recruiting rankings?

If you are going by cold weather and no beaches, you can throw ND in there as well.

It was a good day for Pelini & his Staff. Sambo has to find a way to drag down the mood.

csfdan wrote:

kmillz wrote: I still find it interesting that of the top 11 schools in the Scout rankings (of which we are number 11), we are the only school with no Top 100 players.  AND, the 7 schools ranked AFTER us all had Top 100 players in their classes.

For us to be ranked number 11 speaks to class size and consistancy, and the fact there are no immediate impact players in it.

Got to coach 'em up.

No immediate impact players??  Beg to differ...guess we'll revisit this topic in a few months!

You just have to ignore kmillz. Randy Gregory, Matt Finnin & maybe Terrell Newby will be impact players this year. kmillz must not understand recruiting formulas. Its funny that he says that this classes ranking is due to size. I'm sure he will tell you how great Callahan's top ten class was even though it was of simliar size. Also Scout only counts the top 25 players from the class.

Pelini & staff put together a very solid class from top to bottom. There are always going to be haters no matter who is the coach & how well the team is doing, unless they are matching what Osborne did in the 90's & no coach has topped it yet.

SandBarHusker wrote:

Robdaddy wrote:

uncwatch wrote: You and too many others act like Michigan and Ohio are near the North Pole.

It's not cold year round and most of the football season is played in pleasant weather. By the time it usually gets cold the regular season is over and those programs are usually in a bowl game in some warm and sunny local.

RE: the title of your reply......I believe that's the point of the OP.

We hear wayyyyyyyy too much about how we can't recruit here, there are sooooo many disadvantages, it's so hard to get a kid to come to poor old Nebraska with its cold weather and no beaches and nothing for the kids.

Well, obviously SOME schools can get top flight talent without being in the $EC or on the west coast. 

So we should be able to pull kids, too.  Facilities, tradition, a few yearly shellackings....we have it all.  (Wait, forget the last part.)  Point is, we shouldn't be bowing down to anyone or rattling off these supposed reasons why we just can't pull in upper tier classes year in and year out.

It's not so much that we (the sunshine pumpers) are wanting to say wayyyyyyy too much that we can't pull in upper classes. It is just recognizing that there are disadvantages associated with our geographical location.  Which make it MUCH more difficult.  Many of the posters totally fail to recognize that and just think every recruit wants to automatically come to Nebraska and the coaching staff fails to offer them a chance.

If you look at the makeup of the top 20 recruiting classes you will notice that only a few
top teams from the North are in that group.  I think we can all agree to rule out Notre Dame in the argument but of the others, only Ohio State is pulling a significant amount of players from outside their state, or their bordering states.  Nebraska only has 15% of this years recruits coming from within 500 miles of Lincoln.  Where as Michigan gets home cooking with 80% of their recruits coming from their area and Ohio State with almost 60% coming from their area.  Even then....with Ohio State....Urban Meyer's reach is still much better because of his SEC connections.  Not sure if I would call OU a northern state but even they got 80% of their recruits from Oklahoma or Texas.

My point being is that it IS much more difficult to recruit to Nebraska because recruits like to stay closer to home.  If they are going to be attracted to a school a good distance away there are alot of things to factor in.  Weather and outdoor attractions are certainly a part of it when you are trying to get that extra little edge.  I think if you consider all the factors and how much more effort it takes to recruit in somebody else's backyard that this coaching staff is doing a great job and I do not believe in reality that we can consistantly recruit with those top teams.  In our best years we are a top 10 at best. 

Now I know people don't want to hear the reality of it.  But if you aren't willing to accept the reality of the excuses and difficulties then there will always be someone reminding them of it.

How did Nebraska become a top 5 all-time program with excuse-makers like you?

LloydDobler65 wrote:

SandBarHusker wrote:

Robdaddy wrote:

uncwatch wrote: You and too many others act like Michigan and Ohio are near the North Pole.

It's not cold year round and most of the football season is played in pleasant weather. By the time it usually gets cold the regular season is over and those programs are usually in a bowl game in some warm and sunny local.

RE: the title of your reply......I believe that's the point of the OP.

We hear wayyyyyyyy too much about how we can't recruit here, there are sooooo many disadvantages, it's so hard to get a kid to come to poor old Nebraska with its cold weather and no beaches and nothing for the kids.

Well, obviously SOME schools can get top flight talent without being in the $EC or on the west coast. 

So we should be able to pull kids, too.  Facilities, tradition, a few yearly shellackings....we have it all.  (Wait, forget the last part.)  Point is, we shouldn't be bowing down to anyone or rattling off these supposed reasons why we just can't pull in upper tier classes year in and year out.

It's not so much that we (the sunshine pumpers) are wanting to say wayyyyyyy too much that we can't pull in upper classes. It is just recognizing that there are disadvantages associated with our geographical location.  Which make it MUCH more difficult.  Many of the posters totally fail to recognize that and just think every recruit wants to automatically come to Nebraska and the coaching staff fails to offer them a chance.

If you look at the makeup of the top 20 recruiting classes you will notice that only a few
top teams from the North are in that group.  I think we can all agree to rule out Notre Dame in the argument but of the others, only Ohio State is pulling a significant amount of players from outside their state, or their bordering states.  Nebraska only has 15% of this years recruits coming from within 500 miles of Lincoln.  Where as Michigan gets home cooking with 80% of their recruits coming from their area and Ohio State with almost 60% coming from their area.  Even then....with Ohio State....Urban Meyer's reach is still much better because of his SEC connections.  Not sure if I would call OU a northern state but even they got 80% of their recruits from Oklahoma or Texas.

My point being is that it IS much more difficult to recruit to Nebraska because recruits like to stay closer to home.  If they are going to be attracted to a school a good distance away there are alot of things to factor in.  Weather and outdoor attractions are certainly a part of it when you are trying to get that extra little edge.  I think if you consider all the factors and how much more effort it takes to recruit in somebody else's backyard that this coaching staff is doing a great job and I do not believe in reality that we can consistantly recruit with those top teams.  In our best years we are a top 10 at best. 

Now I know people don't want to hear the reality of it.  But if you aren't willing to accept the reality of the excuses and difficulties then there will always be someone reminding them of it.

How did Nebraska become a top 5 all-time program with excuse-makers like you?

Offering reality is not making excuses.  I don't play or coach them so I don't even try to say that I'm part of what made Nebraska a top 5 all time program.  But I recognize their challenges.  Are you trying to claim your efforts were a part of it?  I for one am absolutly amazed at what this coaching staff has done in spite of these challenges.  They have adjusted their recruiting staff nation wide and search for the best players for this team and this area.  They put their "best" efforts into the players that they can legitimitly have a shot in.  As I tried to describe.....I could only imagine what this staff could do if they had the geographics, the populationand the talent in their back yard that the top recruiting classes had.    

Where as all the debbie downers are the ones that are making excuses.  They blame our tradition and facilities as a reason why we are not a number 1 ranked class every year without any reality.  They make excuses based on what they want to see and not what real effort and successes are being served up.

I think the geographical issue isn't as much of a physical geography issue as it is a human geography issue.  (I knew those college classes would come in handy some day!!!)

Lot's of schools are in the middle of not fun places.  The distinct disadvantage Nebraska has is in population base and the number of D1 football talent we have within a 3-5 hour drive.  NU has always had to recruit from far away places.  Both Michigan and Ohio State have a wealth of D1 talent right within their own state...certainly within a short drive. 

There's been lots of talk about players transferring (with lots of reasons thrown around).  Consider this.  EVERY ONE of our transfers lately has been guys who are a long ways from home.

While our population base will never be huge, somehow our high school programs need to be encouraged/equipped to step up their level of training.  We simply aren't pulling enough talent from the little we do have.  Solution?  High school spring ball.  IDK if we want to go there as a state...but it's certainly one solution to our situation.

Michigan relies on Ohio and national recruiting.Both OSU and UM decided they needed to invest in their assistant coaches and it is paying off. The first priority for OSU when hiring the assistants,was to hire the ones that liked recruiting.

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Michigan relies on Ohio and national recruiting.Both OSU and UM decided they needed to invest in their assistant coaches and it is paying off. The first priority for OSU when hiring the assistants,was to hire the ones that liked recruiting.

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I totally agree with this and I actually think we do have coaches who want to recruit and do a good job. It's always an opinion but if this staff was exchanged with most.....not all....of any SEC team they would have a higher ranked class and we would have a lower ranked class.

I don't think Nebraska will ever consistently get top 5 or probably even top 10 graded talent.  There are way too many obstacles.  Ohio State and Michigan have more significant advantages over Nebraska that we will never be able to consistently beat them in getting top graded talent.  That is why it is absolutely imperative that we have a great coach, not a good coach.  You can have a good coach at many top programs (USC, Florida schools, Texas, etc) and play at the highest levels because you have access to great talent but not at Nebraska.  We have to beat teams with good talent and great coaching.  

I think Bo is a solid coach but I don't see anything that indicates he is anywhere close to great or is headed on that path.   I thought he would be a defensive guru but after three years of seeing the defense get progressively worse I no longer have confidence in his ability.  I don't believe you can be great in just about anything in life without having a great strength in one particular area.  When it comes to football and Bo he has no bread and butter IMO.

I hope I'm wrong about Bo and he turns out to be great because we aren't going to get back to being an elite program if we have to rely on getting top 10 recruiting classes each year.

Cali4Carolina wrote: I don't think Nebraska will ever consistently get top 5 or probably even top 10 graded talent.  There are way too many obstacles.  Ohio State and Michigan have more significant advantages over Nebraska that we will never be able to consistently beat them in getting top graded talent.  That is why it is absolutely imperative that we have a great coach, not a good coach.  You can have a good coach at many top programs (USC, Florida schools, Texas, etc) and play at the highest levels because you have access to great talent but not at Nebraska.  We have to beat teams with good talent and great coaching.  

I think Bo is a solid coach but I don't see anything that indicates he is anywhere close to great or is headed on that path.   I thought he would be a defensive guru but after three years of seeing the defense get progressively worse I no longer have confidence in his ability.  I don't believe you can be great in just about anything in life without having a great strength in one particular area.  When it comes to football and Bo he has no bread and butter IMO.

I hope I'm wrong about Bo and he turns out to be great because we aren't going to get back to being an elite program if we have to rely on getting top 10 recruiting classes each year.

For what these recruiting rankings are worth we have always been consistantly in the 15-25 range, even under Dr. Tom.  I think one year under Callihan we were No.1 in one of the services, alot of good that did us. It is all about how a player develops and the amount of work they put in.  Husker football was built on the work ethic of the people of the state of Nebraska and except for a handful of players that commitment seems to be lacking.

I put more of that on the individual player than on any coaching staff.  It may just be a sign of the times as each new generation seems to want to work hard less and less. There are always exceptions (see TM) but for the most part there just isn't the same work ethic.

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I don't think Nebraska will ever consistently get top 5 or probably even top 10 graded talent.  There are way too many obstacles.  Ohio State and Michigan have more significant advantages over Nebraska that we will never be able to consistently beat them in getting top graded talent.  That is why it is absolutely imperative that we have a great coach, not a good coach.  You can have a good coach at many top programs (USC, Florida schools, Texas, etc) and play at the highest levels because you have access to great talent but not at Nebraska.  We have to beat teams with good talent and great coaching.  

I think Bo is a solid coach but I don't see anything that indicates he is anywhere close to great or is headed on that path.   I thought he would be a defensive guru but after three years of seeing the defense get progressively worse I no longer have confidence in his ability.  I don't believe you can be great in just about anything in life without having a great strength in one particular area.  When it comes to football and Bo he has no bread and butter IMO.

I hope I'm wrong about Bo and he turns out to be great because we aren't going to get back to being an elite program if we have to rely on getting top 10 recruiting classes each year.

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I agree. I think there are obstacles against having a great recruiting class every year. I also believe that a great coach such as an Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and the likes of those wont come to Nebraska when they have better options. Again when I say better options I am talking about recruits that give you the best chance of making you appear as a better coach than you are. What I am hoping........as I wear my kool-aid glasses...... is that Nebraska fans look at Bo the same way they looked at TO his first 10 years as a works in progress. Everyone.....including this staff wants Nebraska to be the best. I'm just as interested in seeing this staff grow over the next few years. If they can improve.....and I think this recruiting class is showing they can.....then we got a chance.

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csfdan wrote:

kmillz wrote: I still find it interesting that of the top 11 schools in the Scout rankings (of which we are number 11), we are the only school with no Top 100 players.  AND, the 7 schools ranked AFTER us all had Top 100 players in their classes.

For us to be ranked number 11 speaks to class size and consistancy, and the fact there are no immediate impact players in it.

Got to coach 'em up.

No immediate impact players??  Beg to differ...guess we'll revisit this topic in a few months!

You just have to ignore kmillz. Randy Gregory, Matt Finnin & maybe Terrell Newby will be impact players this year. kmillz must not understand recruiting formulas. Its funny that he says that this classes ranking is due to size. I'm sure he will tell you how great Callahan's top ten class was even though it was of simliar size. Also Scout only counts the top 25 players from the class.

Pelini & staff put together a very solid class from top to bottom. There are always going to be haters no matter who is the coach & how well the team is doing, unless they are matching what Osborne did in the 90's & no coach has topped it yet.

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Dude, WTF are you talking about? You need to go back and re-read what I wrote and comprehend. Come back when your head is out of you ass or you're back on you meds.

Ohio State always recruits well.

2013 - 1
2012 - 3
2011 - 6
2010 - 20
2009 - 1
2008 - 4
2007 - 16
2006 - 5
2005 - 7
2004 - 11
2003 - 25
2002 - 3

Lake Michigan has some of the best beaches in the Nation.

starspawn wrote: Lake Michigan has some of the best beaches in the Nation.

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I beg to differ my friend. I've lived in Hawaii and currently in Florida. By far the nicest beaches in America. Definitely add California in that equation to. Although I can't speak for those.

Cali4Carolina wrote: I don't think Nebraska will ever consistently get top 5 or probably even top 10 graded talent. 

We came close this year, and did it without the benefit of top 100 or 5 star talents like most other schools in the top 20 got.  Like I said, consistant, solid talent combined with 26 recruits gets us top 11.

Lakelandhuskers wrote:

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Lake Michigan has some of the best beaches in the Nation.

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I beg to differ my friend. I've lived in Hawaii and currently in Florida. By far the nicest beaches in America. Definitely add California in that equation to. Although I can't speak for those.

As much as I hate to say it, Michigan does in fact have some amazing coastlines.

It's different than Florida and Hawaii, but amazing all the same.

NU has to recruit their classes from more states than any other major program it seems, case in point this year the 26 members from this class came from 15 different states (if you count Canada as a state) with no one state accounting for more than 4 players (California).  Signing solid classes in Lincoln is possible, but in order to do it the staff has to cover more ground than just about anyone else whether it be UM/OSU or any of the SEC schools.

Can anyone explain why Ohio State and Michigan are both recruiting Nebraska's border states just as well if not better than Nebraska?

kmillz wrote:

Cali4Carolina wrote: I don't think Nebraska will ever consistently get top 5 or probably even top 10 graded talent. 

We came close this year, and did it without the benefit of top 100 or 5 star talents like most other schools in the top 20 got.  Like I said, consistant, solid talent combined with 26 recruits gets us top 11.

Key is consistent.  I don't doubt Nebraska can crack the top 10 every now and then.  We came close one year and in one recruiting service.