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Outside look at NM Bowl woes
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Posted: 12/14/2012 6:26 AM
Outside look at NM Bowl woes
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:19 AM
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This article is written by somebody that has no idea what they are talking about.
Albuquerque has the bowl because ESPN bought it and be ESPN bought it because the game has always had a solid rating score for ESPN on the Saturday it has been played. If the ratings on TV sank the bowl will and would have already gone away.
It doesnt matter how many tickets people sell. They could sell out University stadium and if the game didnt get ratings it would still be gone. The world of college athletics has changed and people still dont seem to understand.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:15 AM
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This is correct. ESPN is all about the TV ratings. They make their money off of that, NOT the fans in the stands. As long as ESPN can put up a profitable program, better than the next alternative, they won't care if it is in Albuquerque, NM or Colorado Springs, CO or Horse's Ass, WY.
What is more disheartening for me is to continue to see so many New Mexicans trash talk and run down the things we have in our home state. So many people seem to think we are entitled to a top notch events without putting in the work or support to build them into something special.
Think about it this way. . ..Why would anyone from the outside find an event in NM attractive if the loudest voices they hear about it from NM talk about how "bad" or overrated it is? If you have no pride in it to support it, why should anyone else?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:37 PM
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IllinoisLobo wrote: This is correct. ESPN is all about the TV ratings. They make their money off of that, NOT the fans in the stands. As long as ESPN can put up a profitable program, better than the next alternative, they won't care if it is in Albuquerque, NM or Colorado Springs, CO or Horse's Ass, WY.
What is more disheartening for me is to continue to see so many New Mexicans trash talk and run down the things we have in our home state. So many people seem to think we are entitled to a top notch events without putting in the work or support to build them into something special.
Think about it this way. . ..Why would anyone from the outside find an event in NM attractive if the loudest voices they hear about it from NM talk about how "bad" or overrated it is? If you have no pride in it to support it, why should anyone else? +1 |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:45 PM
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IllinoisLobo wrote: This is correct. ESPN is all about the TV ratings. They make their money off of that, NOT the fans in the stands. As long as ESPN can put up a profitable program, better than the next alternative, they won't care if it is in Albuquerque, NM or Colorado Springs, CO or Horse's Ass, WY.
What is more disheartening for me is to continue to see so many New Mexicans trash talk and run down the things we have in our home state. So many people seem to think we are entitled to a top notch events without putting in the work or support to build them into something special.
Think about it this way. . ..Why would anyone from the outside find an event in NM attractive if the loudest voices they hear about it from NM talk about how "bad" or overrated it is? If you have no pride in it to support it, why should anyone else? +2 |
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:53 PM
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I think you guys are missing the author's point.
The point is that without local interest and support, the game could be moved or done away with altogether.
The NM Bowl is a made for TV event, no about about it. And ratings are paramount from the TV end.
But that doesn't mean that low attendance and lack of local support won't get the game moved. If you read the entire article, you'll see that's exactly what happened to the Copper Bowl. It was bought and moved to Phoenix.
There's nothing keeping ESPN from doing the same thing and moving to say, San Antonio.
Don't miss the forest for the trees, guys. If the local community does not support the game it will go away at some point.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 3:01 PM
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You know what amazes me... Local fans, local media, and everyone in the state spend more time pointing out what a piece of crap the NM Bowl is... Seriously, all fans do in this state is COMPLAIN and then go... Why do we lose all these things, why can't New Mexico move ahead... Look you aren't going to the game, don't go. But don't rail against the thing constantly, and talk about how it sucks  I truly believe there is a large segment of fans that just want the NM Bowl to fail, and I can't for the life of me figure out why? It is a sick cancer this city and state suffers from... 1Peter 3:9
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:10 PM
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Last edited 12/14/2012 7:11 PM by DavieDouble
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:34 PM
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KennRodriguez wrote: I think you guys are missing the author's point.
The point is that without local interest and support, the game could be moved or done away with altogether.
The NM Bowl is a made for TV event, no about about it. And ratings are paramount from the TV end.
But that doesn't mean that low attendance and lack of local support won't get the game moved. If you read the entire article, you'll see that's exactly what happened to the Copper Bowl. It was bought and moved to Phoenix.
There's nothing keeping ESPN from doing the same thing and moving to say, San Antonio.
Don't miss the forest for the trees, guys. If the local community does not support the game it will go away at some point. Hi Ken, I disagree in that we missed the point. I do get it. I thought I tried to address it by saying that as long as the NM Bowl attracts good cable ratings, is profitable, and better for ESPN than the next best alternative, they will keep it here. My point was, I think the same as yours. Part of what makes something a premier event is the attitude and support a community throws behind it. When I was little, we went to the balloon fiesta. It was not even close to the same event then that it is now. Why is that? Who says our state cannot support a premier event? Who says people won't come to NM? If more New Mexicans embraced progress and decided to make positive contributions to what our state is and what it could be, so many things would change. Instead, too many denigrate or expect the microwave popcorn version of success. The NM Bowl is no different. All Lobos, All the Time
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:37 PM
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All Lobos, All the Time
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:27 PM
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People don't understand that the game can't get better without their support! Illinois and Bandito are spot on here!
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Posted: 12/15/2012 10:25 AM
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KennRodriguez wrote: I think you guys are missing the author's point.
The point is that without local interest and support, the game could be moved or done away with altogether.
The NM Bowl is a made for TV event, no about about it. And ratings are paramount from the TV end.
But that doesn't mean that low attendance and lack of local support won't get the game moved. If you read the entire article, you'll see that's exactly what happened to the Copper Bowl. It was bought and moved to Phoenix.
There's nothing keeping ESPN from doing the same thing and moving to say, San Antonio.
Don't miss the forest for the trees, guys. If the local community does not support the game it will go away at some point. Excellent points! You need to have fannies in the seats in order to make an event like this work, or some other city that can will. It's so New Mexico to be narrow minded and bitch about things and tear them down. Too much half glass empty instead of glass half full. Having your city host a bowl game is not a right, it's a privledge. I wish more people thought of it that way. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 1:10 PM
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I am here having a great time at the bowl game. It is shame that we do not have more fans in the stadium. How Does the game look on tv.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:57 PM
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lobomaniac2012 wrote: I am here having a great time at the bowl game. It is shame that we do not have more fans in the stadium. How Does the game look on tv. I watched most of the game from here in Texas and it looked great to me. Crowd didn't look too bad, but would have loved to see a full stadium. Sure wish I could have seen the game in person, it usually turns out to be pretty entertaining and today remained true to that. |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 8:10 PM
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austin4707 wrote:
lobomaniac2012 wrote: I am here having a great time at the bowl game. It is shame that we do not have more fans in the stadium. How Does the game look on tv. I watched most of the game from here in Texas and it looked great to me. Crowd didn't look too bad, but would have loved to see a full stadium. Sure wish I could have seen the game in person, it usually turns out to be pretty entertaining and today remained true to that. Just under 25-thou is considered great?  |
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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:31 PM
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26,140. Crowd distribution looks balanced seperated to particular school. Small Nevada contingent on one side, medium Arizona contingent on the other....the New Mexicans are in the endzone....speckled and spread out. 1 every 3 feet or so in the bleachers.  |
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Posted: 12/16/2012 6:29 AM
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LetTheFurFly wrote: 26,140.
Crowd distribution looks balanced seperated to particular school.
Small Nevada contingent on one side, medium Arizona contingent on the other....the New Mexicans are in the endzone....speckled and spread out. 1 every 3 feet or so in the bleachers. Wrong! "Official" attendance was 24,610. "Actual" attendance was closer to 20,000-21,000. That's actual butts in the seats, not tickets sold. http://www.abqjournal.com/sports/2012/12/15/new-me xico-bowl-2.htmlThe fact remains that attendance is down over 25% since the inaugural NM Bowl in 2006, with this years game being the most poorly attended game since it started.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:13 AM
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The fact remains that attendance is down over 25% since the inaugural NM Bowl in 2006, with this years game being the most poorly attended game since it started. But what a boon for New Mexico to be shown on ESPN right? Come on people peed themselves when ESPN came to The Pit... yet, complain about the New Mexico Bowl coming to town every year  Coach Davie with his connections at ESPN and as the head football coach at UNM was able to come on and talk about the game and the UNM Lobos got mentions up and down ESPN's broadcast... You know home of the Lobos and such Did you know that UNM had recruits in the house and the Lobo recruits across the country could tune in see the stadium, see and hear things about the University of New Mexico and the state of New Mexico and it was all taken care of by ESPN? It is like a second recruiting visit, only it isn't Davie and his staff talking up the program it was ESPN... The Gildan New Mexico bowl was the next best thing to UNM actually going to a bowl game itself... Come on people think long term benefits, think of what this bowl does for our state, city, UNM, and the community in general long term... Forward thinking it is a wonderful thing!
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:13 AM
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I agree. The NM Bowl along with any bowl in December are not about the actual teams playing. It is all about TV and exposure. That is a great thing! After the thriller....how many times did you see the name "New Mexico" listed in articles, tv clips, radio, etc.! That was awesome
People need to understand attendance is irrelevant in this day and age. It is all about BCS money and TV money which carry the weight for individual schools. The only bowls that are true rewards and post-season related for football afiaciandos care about are Janurary bowls. The Decembers bowls are cool and better than infomercials....but nobody wants to watch Nevada or Arizona football Nothing wrong with that. The bowls accomplish their sponsorship goals.
TV coverage is good for the state. Bowls are suppose to be boons for the tourism economy. Problem is Nevada and Arizona didn't really make a positive dent for hotels/restaurants are other participants may have done. And as Bandito mentioned, with Bob Davie's connections he can be a guest color commentator and pump up Lobo Football for a segment which is cool.
Attendance only helps the participants. Particpants are required to purchase between 10,000 tickets. Obviously Arizona or Nevada didn't come close to that. So one cold argue Arizona and Nevada LOST money by particpating. The NM Bowl only pays our 750,000. Out of that payout, the teams have to pay for their travel expenses and then share the revenue with their conference mates in a pool.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:48 AM
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Bandit0 wrote:
silvercolt wrote:
The fact remains that attendance is down over 25% since the inaugural NM Bowl in 2006, with this years game being the most poorly attended game since it started. But what a boon for New Mexico to be shown on ESPN right?
Come on people peed themselves when ESPN came to The Pit... yet, complain about the New Mexico Bowl coming to town every year
Coach Davie with his connections at ESPN and as the head football coach at UNM was able to come on and talk about the game and the UNM Lobos got mentions up and down ESPN's broadcast... You know home of the Lobos and such
Did you know that UNM had recruits in the house and the Lobo recruits across the country could tune in see the stadium, see and hear things about the University of New Mexico and the state of New Mexico and it was all taken care of by ESPN?
It is like a second recruiting visit, only it isn't Davie and his staff talking up the program it was ESPN... The Gildan New Mexico bowl was the next best thing to UNM actually going to a bowl game itself...
Come on people think long term benefits, think of what this bowl does for our state, city, UNM, and the community in general long term...
Forward thinking it is a wonderful thing! When does that 'forward thinking' start to pay dividends though? I've heard the same thing, that giving away tickets to Lobo Football would create future paying fans, for at least the last 15 years. |
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