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So what can change? Pres. Franks talks with G. Grammer
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Posted: 12/6/2012 4:11 PM
So what can change? Pres. Franks talks with G. Grammer
From Geoff Grammer's twitter as he is interviewing Pres. Franks and Vice Pres. Athletics Krebs... UNM President Frank acknowledged UNM isn't in a power position w/ much leverage despite great basketball program. Football drives everything!
Okay so el Presidente knows... The sports fans around the country sans Nuevo Mejico know this. How does the majority of Lobo fans climb on board and what needs to be done to start moving forward?
Spanna and those that think like Spanna... I hope you are seeing and hearing the truth finally and realize that I haven't been trying to blow smoke up your butts... I've had so many people shred me about the football/basketball thing because Heaven knows if you say anything positive about Lobo football... Well the coaching staff might leave  Which is BS as Alford has tried to talk up Lobo football as much as anyone else...
I don't say these things to "drive hit numbers"  I've said them for years because they are truth, and until we get moving in the right direction we have this other quote from Frank and Krebs
UNM President Frank/AD Krebs: Confident in @ theMWC, but both used word "nervous" about what current climate of realignment could mean to UNM...
To El Presidente and Veep... I can tell you what it means... It means being the next New Mexico State! 1Peter 3:9
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Posted: 12/6/2012 4:20 PM
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Our 44th largest TV Market, passionate fan base and improving football program means that UNM will be looking good moving forward and will not be left out of a major conference.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:01 PM
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You are right Leeroy Football is the driver of the bus. But what type of bus are we driving? You can brag about NM Bowl victories but IMHO it is equivalent to the SHORT BUS...if you catch my drift. Not a smack talk as the NM Bowl isn't at fault. It is the whole college bowl system. No excuse for allowing 70 teams out of 120 a chance to play an extra game to reward them. When you reward a .500 team with a post-season you don't earn respect as a team or program that way. We have approx 120 FBS programs. IMHO only the top 32 teams deserve to be rewarded. We should only have 16 bowls total. I would support the NM Bowl being one of those 16 where we as fans can enjoy quality football. I don't bash Jeff Siembieda for working hard.....I bash the system. ONLY BOWLS THAT ADVANCE A PROGRAM are BCS BOWLS. The small bowls are ok.....but they are the equivalent of the N-I-T and there is nothing wrong with that. It is just what it is You don't hear Lobo basketball fans bragging about the NIT. If we brag....we brag about top 20 rankings. We brag about conference titles and tournament titles and post-season victories. The goal is to be proactive and to treat your program like royalty. I love the NM Bowl. BUt I am also a realist. A trip to the NCAA basketball tournament is worth more financially to a program via a term called NCAA credits which pay the program and conference a sum. I am not talking out of my rear this time. I did some research. For every NCAA MArch Madness game that your team participates....the school is paid approx. 1.7 million which is paid in a 6yr annuity of $240,000 per yr for 6yrs. The grand total earn by ONE March Madness game is 1.7 million. If your team advances.....you earn another 1.7 million paid in the 6-yr annuity for each additional game. HERE IS THE LINK: businessofcollegesports.com/20...-march-madness/The NMBowl and other bowls not in the BCS monopoly only pays $750,000 total. From that amount the school is forced to deduct expenses, food, lodging, coach bonuses, and ticket costs if applicable. Many small bowl participants break-even or even lose money by going to a small time bowl game. Ask Jeff Siembieda if he forces the participants to buy a portion of tickets and deducts it from their payout. I think we know the answer. NEW LOBO ORDER
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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:05 PM
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That's the thing Spana... It is "In your opinion" which compared to the rest of the sports nation means zilch!
You keep trying to argue a losing point Spana. You can tell us the sky is yellow all day long the rest of your life Spana and we look up and see blue sometimes gray...
This is the same thing your lips keep flapping but nobody is standing with you on that island except a group of ignorant people.
1Peter 3:9
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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:07 PM
RE: So what can change? Pres. Franks talks with G. Grammer
Why don't you ask experts/coaches/media which one they would prefer:
a NM Bowl victory
OR
Conference title combined with a NCAA tournament victory.
NEW LOBO ORDER
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Posted: 12/6/2012 5:18 PM
RE: So what can change? Pres. Franks talks with G. Grammer
I don't think the goal of a minor bowl victory is the objective. You breake even, if that, in the smaller bowls. The objective is to get into a BCS conference where real money can be made. Smaller bowl victories are one step towards that end goal. It takes some smaller bowl victories and then perhaps a major bowl victory to become attractive to most conferences.
I don't know if a BCS conference is every in UNM's future but our football program has to take some small steps and then larger ones to be counted in if it is going to happen.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:25 PM
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What can we change?
Three words.
Occupy. University. Stadium.
Grassroots takeover. The future is now...
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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:55 PM
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KennRodriguez wrote: What can we change?
Three words.
Occupy. University. Stadium.
Grassroots takeover. The future is now... Occupy. University. Stadium. Exactly brother Kenn,...exactly!
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Posted: 12/6/2012 8:16 PM
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The only way to change all this is to fill University Stadium, win football games because the home field advantage is so great, and springboard into a BCS conference. TCU just broke even in revenue last year, the final season the school played in the MWC. My guess is they will do better this year... www.star-telegram.com/2012/12/...-way-among.htmlUNM MUST make football an event that sells out every game, there is no other choice. |
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Posted: 12/6/2012 8:36 PM
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Makes me wonder when attendance was at or around 37,000 per game, then dropped to about 34,000 to 35,000 per game. Then the bomb was dropped on the fans.......NO RE-ENTRY!! I know people are gonna say it has nothing to do with it, well it's just quite the coincidence that once that rule was installed attendance declined to sub 30,000 per game thereafter. Then of course it spiraled because of Locksley.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:09 PM
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Attendence fell 1) because of the economy. If you plot the economy under the attendance, you'll see that there is a strong correlation. 2) because the program isn't winning.
Any improvement in the above will see a consequential rise in attendance.
My suggestion would be fill the seats no matter if you have to give away tickets. Give them to Youth football, veterans, Moms (for Mother's day), give them to radio stations for prizes, to local tribes, to the AF base. Fill the seats! You make no money from empty seats. Even if you give tickets away at first, you sell water, hot dogs, nachos and tee shirts. And, you make fans.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:21 PM
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sabrcat wrote:
My suggestion would be fill the seats no matter if you have to give away tickets. Give them to Youth football, veterans, Moms (for Mother's day), give them to radio stations for prizes, to local tribes, to the AF base. Fill the seats! You make no money from empty seats. Even if you give tickets away at first, you sell water, hot dogs, nachos and tee shirts. And, you make fans. Give tickets away? Our current price tickets are too expensive for the young blood nowadays? So they need to be free now? You spend more at a trip to the movies than what you spend for a season for kids that don't even pay attention to the game. Seriously.....UNM's problem is not the fans. It is staying above water. Not owing the state money and for once being self-funding where we can walk with our heads up high with PRIDE! I want to have pride in MY football team.....not pity! Name me one school out there that does that giveaway/begging strategy? Seems like a noble act to do. But if it was an idea that was reasonable and worked.......there would be stories of other success stories following that strategy. Yeah give tickets away. I wonder what season ticket holders would say about that. Sitting next to someone who got a similar seat for free. Yeah that is going to go over well. It would only encourage paying customers to slack off and figure they can get free tickets too and not pay their renewals or Lobo Club donations BOTTOMLINE.....given our situation that only solution that will cause change is WINNING. On the short-term it is impossible to attempt anything else because honestly it will fall flat on its face. I wish we had the tradition and goodwill to allow for growing pains and rebuilding challenges and still have full crowds. But reality says the optimal solution right now to change things is winning. Casual fans don't want to watch losers or boring football. Us diehards will be there. But we NEED the casuals.....and well...
When basketball had Mckay and we sucked. Our fans had a falling out. UNM didn't beg or use much bells and whistles to lure them back. Quite simple but they started to win! What a noble thought huh! NEW LOBO ORDER
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:37 PM
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Prohibition of reentry to the stadium is not why fans are not attending UNM football games. That's a cop-out.
Nearly every stadium or arena in the US has adopted this policy since 9-11-01 for security reasons and PLENTY of schools still sell out tickets.
UNM fans still attend basketball games at the Pit and doesnt that arena have the same policy?
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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:45 PM
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Soonlobo wrote: Prohibition of reentry to the stadium is not why fans are not attending UNM football games. That's a cop-out.
Nearly every stadium or arena in the US has adopted this policy since 9-11-01 for security reasons and PLENTY of schools still sell out tickets.
UNM fans still attend basketball games at the Pit and doesnt that arena have the same policy? NO reentyr policy? agreed The PIT has a no re entry policy and has for years. Dont think it's been hurting attendance. Pretty sure the Isotopes dont have on, the Dallas cowboys, Stl cardinals and lord knows whatever other sporting event ive been too. NM fan has more excuses than the government. |
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:22 PM
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SpanaBaller wrote:
sabrcat wrote:
My suggestion would be fill the seats no matter if you have to give away tickets. Give them to Youth football, veterans, Moms (for Mother's day), give them to radio stations for prizes, to local tribes, to the AF base. Fill the seats! You make no money from empty seats. Even if you give tickets away at first, you sell water, hot dogs, nachos and tee shirts. And, you make fans. Give tickets away? Our current price tickets are too expensive for the young blood nowadays? So they need to be free now? You spend more at a trip to the movies than what you spend for a season for kids that don't even pay attention to the game. Seriously.....UNM's problem is not the fans. It is staying above water. Not owing the state money and for once being self-funding where we can walk with our heads up high with PRIDE! I want to have pride in MY football team.....not pity!
Name me one school out there that does that giveaway/begging strategy? Seems like a noble act to do. But if it was an idea that was reasonable and worked.......there would be stories of other success stories following that strategy.
Yeah give tickets away. I wonder what season ticket holders would say about that. Sitting next to someone who got a similar seat for free. Yeah that is going to go over well. It would only encourage paying customers to slack off and figure they can get free tickets too and not pay their renewals or Lobo Club donations
BOTTOMLINE.....given our situation that only solution that will cause change is WINNING. On the short-term it is impossible to attempt anything else because honestly it will fall flat on its face. I wish we had the tradition and goodwill to allow for growing pains and rebuilding challenges and still have full crowds. But reality says the optimal solution right now to change things is winning. Casual fans don't want to watch losers or boring football. Us diehards will be there. But we NEED the casuals.....and well...
When basketball had Mckay and we sucked. Our fans had a falling out. UNM didn't beg or use much bells and whistles to lure them back. Quite simple but they started to win! What a noble thought huh! You are the most clueless person I know. WOW!! Just WOW!!!
The average paid attendance during the McKay years is a couple thousand more fans than what we average now. Fans might not have gone to the games but they continued to buy season tickets and fans bought tickets.
By the way Spanna, do you know that I can buy $8 tickets to games. There is a promotion that if you buy 20 you can get them at that price. Well I guess we are cheaping our product in basketball. We had Toys for Tots for $5 tickets. WE have Cherry Crush night in basketball also. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK or you look like a FOOL! Well you do anyways.
By the way I can only think of Okie State as the only school I've seen have the reentry policy. No one else has it.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:35 PM
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The PIT and University Stadium are two completely different animals. First of all what applies to the PIT and works may not work with the stadium.
First of all on no re-entry, a football game last almost twice as long as a basketball game, a college football game is somewhat an all day event where a basketball game is basically the game then home.
And no it's not a COP OUT by the fans, it's just a bad rule that aggravates a lot of people, the economy has somewhat to do with attendance decline, however the economy tanked in 2008 the attendance sharply declined in 2006-2007.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:26 AM
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Let me start off by assessing the NM bowl or the smaller bowls! They are an important part of getting better as a program and here is why. Right now and for the last 2 weeks our team is NOT practicing but the teams going to the smaller bowls are still practicing. Let's just say it is a 3 weeks of additional practice time if you 5th year seniors have gone to one of these smaller bowls every year since they were freshman that is an additional 15 weeks of football, almost 4 months for those not keeping up! How long is the regular season? About 5 months so if you can make these smaller bowls your team gets almost an entire ADDITIONAL year of football and that can make a HUGE difference in future success. Yes money is a big part of this but if you want to win you have to practice and that additional time can make a big difference down the road this is why the smaller bowls are important.
UNM is on its way and we do need to fill the stadium. The fans have been hard to get to football and everyone is right. This nothing a few winning season's can't fix but those of us who care now have to do more. My motto now for Lobo Football is "What have you done for Lobo Football"? I am not calling anyone out so don't feel like you have to answer the question. I think Basketball wants to see football succeed and vice versa, we are moving in the right direction but remember championship football teams do not come over night!
Go Lobos!
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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:55 AM
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MWCWOLF wrote: Makes me wonder when attendance was at or around 37,000 per game, then dropped to about 34,000 to 35,000 per game. Then the bomb was dropped on the fans.......NO RE-ENTRY!! I know people are gonna say it has nothing to do with it, well it's just quite the coincidence that once that rule was installed attendance declined to sub 30,000 per game thereafter. Then of course it spiraled because of Locksley. That is a very lame reason for a drop in attendance. No-re-entry would actually keep people from going to games? If that is true then these people are not Lobo fans. A lot of people preach about people not going to football games but my guess is that people on this board do go to football games except for those that live out of state. I am not sure what the answer is other than winning. It needs to be habit forming like basketball has been here. Rocky and others have had decent attendance at times but 7-5 or 6-6 records will only get you so far. After we lost to Portland State our attendance went down and has never recovered. Someday if we say had 9-2 and 11-1 back to back seasons enough New Mexicans might actually get the Lobo bug to carry them through in more lean years like 5-6 or 6-6 seasons. Most of the people who post, like I am doing right now, do go to Lobo games so no need to preach to the choir. Next time you go to church I recommend you leave the church every 15 minutes to go chug a beer. I am sure your church has a re-entry policy and the people you trip over in the pews will appreciate your stumbling in front of them every 15 minutes. We need to fill the stadium with fans and not a bunch of drunks.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:25 AM
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To maintain current athletic programs, and move them forward, football needs to become the winner and the driver. The current state of athletics at UNM is very good with the exception of football. And with the damage done to football, there is no way it will be fixed quickly (too bad), but hopefully it gets fixed! Recent articles make it appear that the UNM administration is very focused on getting this done as fast as possible because if we don't make football the driver, other athletics MAY see some downturn in the future as other programs make bigger strides in their football programs. We need either the MWC to become a AG BCS qualifier or UNM must join one in 1 - 2 years.
The smaller bowls are great for teams as step builders to the next level just as the NIT does to basketball. There were years here that we were happy with an NIT bid, and the happiness subsided when we could not get to the next level. At the next level, no one will be happy with a NIT, but you never know if the team could have situational years (injuries, defections, transfers, ..???) , and we might be happy to have an NIT bid in the right scenario. The post season in both basketball and football are great for many, many reasons (recruiting, national exposure, stepping stone, team goal setting, team confidence, team experience, ... etc). i hope they continue with this practice as I believe it is good for sports and many people are sports crazy and will watch whatever is on!
Lastly, the many arguments here that Albuquerque is not a football city will evaporate as the team wins. Winning is the cure all and once you start winning (i.e., not just a flash in the pan), you need to keep winning. If UNM football was in the top 25 or receiving votes even, I know that stadium would be packed at 35K plus (conservative). Too much debate on here that Albuquerque will not support football, and I say it will if you win consistently and have a decent schedule! My hope is that the TV viewing market here is "big" enough to warrant us going to a BCS conference (another issue besides attendance for admission to a BCS conference). People here are trying to invent ways to get attendance up which is good, but I think they will all fall short until there is an exciting, winning program which makes marketing, ticket prices and everything fall into place.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:15 AM
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Win early in the season
Win at home
Win consistently over the years
Compete for league championships
People will come when you show consistency in a product.
We Are New Mexico!
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