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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:36 AM

Vice News documentary on Gaza 


Here is a very interesting and telling documentary on Gaza by Vice News from two or three years ago. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJFC98jPrQ

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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:36 AM

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Thanks for posting. I watched the whole thing. A few points:

- Hammas sucks. I doubt you'll hear very many people on either side of the aisle disagree with that point.
- Supporting a Palestinian state does not support Hammas. I would not want them in control of a state government. 
- I'm glad I live in a country where there's a separation of church and state
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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:57 AM

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Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:24 AM

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SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:33 AM

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ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:36 AM

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Live in denial?

Who was it that demanded elections? Who was it that rebuffed the Israelis who said not to include Hamas as an option unless they laid down weapons?

Do I really need to point to the countless articles written about this failure. Do I need to post Condi's admission that they completely underestimated the Palestinian people's degree of unhappiness with the Fatah?

I am shocked to discover that your friends reflect your views.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 1:21 PM

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SkannerDan wrote:
Live in denial?

Who was it that demanded elections? Who was it that rebuffed the Israelis who said not to include Hamas as an option unless they laid down weapons?

Do I really need to point to the countless articles written about this failure. Do I need to post Condi's admission that they completely underestimated the Palestinian people's degree of unhappiness with the Fatah?

I am shocked to discover that your friends reflect your views.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.

---------------------------------------------
Except for the few remaining LEFTIST ISraelis, ask any Israeli who was correct on the middle East, Bush or Obama.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 1:34 PM

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Obama had nothing to do with Hamas getting elected. Should we ask the Israelis if they wanted Hamas included in the elections?

You should stop posting till you have another hilariously wrong email to use. That IRS hard drive was another laugher.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


SkannerDan wrote:
Live in denial?

Who was it that demanded elections? Who was it that rebuffed the Israelis who said not to include Hamas as an option unless they laid down weapons?

Do I really need to point to the countless articles written about this failure. Do I need to post Condi's admission that they completely underestimated the Palestinian people's degree of unhappiness with the Fatah?

I am shocked to discover that your friends reflect your views.

---------------------------------------------
--- ajmadison wrote:


SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.

---------------------------------------------
Except for the few remaining LEFTIST ISraelis, ask any Israeli who was correct on the middle East, Bush or Obama.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:11 PM

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SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.

Are you saying that Bush put Hamas in control?
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:50 PM

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In any event, I believe the best thing that could happen for the residents of Gaza would be for Israel to occupy it, root out the terrorists and allow for new elections and, perhaps, the residents of Gaza will vote Hamas out of office.  Maybe voting in terrorists in the first place wasn't such a brilliant idea.  noidea
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:56 PM

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K9Buck wrote: In any event, I believe the best thing that could happen for the residents of Gaza would be for Israel to occupy it, root out the terrorists and allow for new elections and, perhaps, the residents of Gaza will vote Hamas out of office.  Maybe voting in terrorists in the first place wasn't such a brilliant idea.  noidea
Who even knows how legit those elections were.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:25 PM

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mudcannon wrote:
K9Buck wrote: In any event, I believe the best thing that could happen for the residents of Gaza would be for Israel to occupy it, root out the terrorists and allow for new elections and, perhaps, the residents of Gaza will vote Hamas out of office.  Maybe voting in terrorists in the first place wasn't such a brilliant idea.  noidea
Who even knows how legit those elections were.

Who knows?  noidea
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:34 PM

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mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:47 PM

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ajmadison wrote:
mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
You didn't answer my question. Use bullet points to make it easier on yourself/me. List out what we should do in the middle east. Be specific - don't just say "I wouldn't cozy up to Putin". Say what you WOULD do. Economic sanctions? Send in troops? If so, how many? Would you send troops to Ukraine? Would you order airstrikes on Iraq/Iran/Gaza?
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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:53 PM

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mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
You didn't answer my question. Use bullet points to make it easier on yourself/me. List out what we should do in the middle east. Be specific - don't just say "I wouldn't cozy up to Putin". Say what you WOULD do. Economic sanctions? Send in troops? If so, how many? Would you send troops to Ukraine? Would you order airstrikes on Iraq/Iran/Gaza?
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:41 PM

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His policy did. It was Bush that pushed for elections.

Do we need to go over history, again.

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--- K9Buck wrote:


SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.

Are you saying that Bush put Hamas in control?

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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:48 PM

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You are literally crazy. And have no memory.

Soviet-Georgia war. Lol

Nuclear arms: Funny. But the fact is that Bush cut our nuclear arsenal.

Stick to chain emails.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
You didn't answer my question. Use bullet points to make it easier on yourself/me. List out what we should do in the middle east. Be specific - don't just say "I wouldn't cozy up to Putin". Say what you WOULD do. Economic sanctions? Send in troops? If so, how many? Would you send troops to Ukraine? Would you order airstrikes on Iraq/Iran/Gaza?
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:50 PM

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SkannerDan wrote:
You are literally crazy. And have no memory.

Soviet-Georgia war. Lol

Nuclear arms: Funny. But the fact is that Bush cut our nuclear arsenal.

Stick to chain emails.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
You didn't answer my question. Use bullet points to make it easier on yourself/me. List out what we should do in the middle east. Be specific - don't just say "I wouldn't cozy up to Putin". Say what you WOULD do. Economic sanctions? Send in troops? If so, how many? Would you send troops to Ukraine? Would you order airstrikes on Iraq/Iran/Gaza?
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
.

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Nice retort, huge nothing there, my points stand.

Typical lefty answer.
"ya got nothin'."
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:57 PM

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Really. The Soviet- Georgia war didn't happen under a republican president?

Bush didn't reduce our nuclear arms?

Go ahead. Answer the questions. We all know you won't or can't.

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--- ajmadison wrote:


SkannerDan wrote:
You are literally crazy. And have no memory.

Soviet-Georgia war. Lol

Nuclear arms: Funny. But the fact is that Bush cut our nuclear arsenal.

Stick to chain emails.

---------------------------------------------
--- ajmadison wrote:


mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
mudcannon wrote:
ajmadison wrote:
SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.
ROTFLMAO.

Way to live in denial, Obama is a total clown and you're still blaming Bush.

I had 65 people over my house last night to celebrate my wife's birthday and 1 is a European businessman in Europe and the Ukraine.
Said Obama is not even a clown, he's a nothing, a non factor in the world who has created animosity with almost all of our allies and is the reason Putin is just running wild and doing anything he wants because he knows Obama is no threat to respond in any way.They're laughing at him everywhere except the most LEFTIST circles where a Black man in power can do no wrong and can never be criticized .
Iran is stalling and continuing to develop Nukes, Brits don't trust us anymore, Saudi's don't trust us, Chinese ignoring Obama a complete joke, he's a total zero and has successfully completed what he started out to do, which is make the U.S. impotent.
In his warped mind to end America's colonial power, to end the mythical Military/industrial complex.
He's succeeded and the world is exploding in the vaccum.
What would Romney have done differently? Or what, in your opinion, should be done? Feel free to be as detailed as you like. I have time today to read.
Busy today but allow me to suggest Obama has made it plain and simple, pretty clear that he isn't going to use Military force or even back up what he say's.
I think it's in the bible or somewhere that if you don't stand up to evil people, you'll be forced to do evil things to them eventually or something like that.
I doubt Romney would have said one thing and then done another, I doubt Romney would have tried to cozy up to Putin who viewed as weakness and I doubt Romney would have shut down our military making it difficult to react even if we want to and I know Romney wouldn't have put us 20 trillion dollars in debt making it hard to justify spending any money on defense.
That's a short answer, I won't even include Obama's love for anything Muslim, even stealing young Christian girls and using them as Sex slaves, he still hasn't responded to that and nobody believes him if he does, they know he's a paper tiger.
See, Republicans understand that there are bad guys in the world.
If a BAD guy is walking down the Street looking for trouble and two guys are coming in the other direction and one is cowering and looking for escape while the other picks up a baseball bat and say's, "Come on Mother F-ker I'm ready for you,"' the Bad guy will ALWAYS attack the cowering guy, always, Republicans know this, Liberals have never figured it out.
You didn't answer my question. Use bullet points to make it easier on yourself/me. List out what we should do in the middle east. Be specific - don't just say "I wouldn't cozy up to Putin". Say what you WOULD do. Economic sanctions? Send in troops? If so, how many? Would you send troops to Ukraine? Would you order airstrikes on Iraq/Iran/Gaza?
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
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Nice retort, huge nothing there, my points stand.

Typical lefty answer.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:36 PM

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SkannerDan wrote:
His policy did. It was Bush that pushed for elections.

Do we need to go over history, again.

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SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.

Are you saying that Bush put Hamas in control?

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Not Bush's fault the Palestinians voted in a bunch of extremists.  Now they're reaping what they sowed.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:39 PM

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Anyway, and like I said, the best thing for the Palestinians in Gaza is for Israel to occupy and govern it.  In twenty years, perhaps, they can try self-governance again.  I won't hold my breath.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:57 PM

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ajmadison wrote:
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
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Can we say Neville Chamberlain?
Ecclesiastes 10:2

"It's easier to fool people, than it is to convince them they've been fooled."   Mark Twain
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:15 PM

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Except that the elections were held because bush pushed for them. And he didn't listen to the Israelis. Didn't listen to those that noted democracy is far more than elections. But, we were exporting democracy. How is that working out?

And, he and his cabinet spectacularly get their intel wrong. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

And then, after pushing for elections refuses to legitimate them. Hmm. We want elections as long as they produce desired results.

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SkannerDan wrote:
His policy did. It was Bush that pushed for elections.

Do we need to go over history, again.

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--- K9Buck wrote:


SkannerDan wrote: Hamas in control is just another Bush policy failure.

Are you saying that Bush put Hamas in control?

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Not Bush's fault the Palestinians voted in a bunch of extremists.  Now they're reaping what they sowed.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:16 PM

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Why don't you address the soviet Georgia war? Was that chamberlain as well, or does that only apply for Obama. Partisan hack.


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ajmadison wrote:
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
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Can we say Neville Chamberlain?

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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:22 PM

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SkannerDan wrote:
Except that the elections were held because bush pushed for them. And he didn't listen to the Israelis. Didn't listen to those that noted democracy is far more than elections. But, we were exporting democracy. How is that working out?

And, he and his cabinet spectacularly get their intel wrong. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

And then, after pushing for elections refuses to legitimate them. Hmm. We want elections as long as they produce desired results.

I won't argue with you there.  But what is the best course of action going forward with regard to Gaza?
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:50 PM

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Pray that a Gandhi, Mlk, etc. arises from the Palestinian people.

It is so ridiculously complicated that it is beyond discussion. Not even talking about Arab vs. Israel. Are we prepared to accept terrorist organizations as the gov if freely elected? That decision impacts how we back Israel and their policies, for example. Because we didn't, Israel was able to hold back monies to the Palestinian people. Which in turn only strengthens Hamas' connection to the people.

The people themselves are tired of the fighting. Moderates on both sides were open to the Geneva accord or the Saudi proposal, but Bush and Sharon ignored them.

One huge problem for us is that we continue to make the same mistakes over and over. We always seem to confuse nationalistic movements with total support of the radicals. Like Vietnam, the Palestinians elections of Hamas doesnt mean they embrace the destruction of Israel. It means they are fed up with PA and believe Hamas will be more effective negotiating with Israel.

To put that in American context, and something many believe, that Obama could have been anyone..just not Bush/GOP.

Let me be clear. I support Israel. They have a right/duty to protect themselves and their citizens. But, there is no doubt the Palestinian people are suffering. And there is no doubt Israel has made plenty of mistakes.





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SkannerDan wrote:
Except that the elections were held because bush pushed for them. And he didn't listen to the Israelis. Didn't listen to those that noted democracy is far more than elections. But, we were exporting democracy. How is that working out?

And, he and his cabinet spectacularly get their intel wrong. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

And then, after pushing for elections refuses to legitimate them. Hmm. We want elections as long as they produce desired results.

I won't argue with you there.  But what is the best course of action going forward with regard to Gaza?

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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:01 PM

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Israel has made few mistakes, against all odds they're still around and growing.That in itself is amazing.

Israel is withholding Taxes it collects for the West Bank & Gaza because it is forced under treaty to handle those collections, that same treaty forbids the Palestinians from shooting rockets into Israel and from kidnapping and killing Israeli citizens, you Quisling.
They aren't even holding that money without cause as the Palestinians owe Millions to Israeli power companies, water works and other services, so they are deducting it, which they might not have done if PAlestinians had acted differently.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:28 PM

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Swing and a miss. The gov is witholding 100 mill per month in tax money. They have stopped transferring that money.
Happened in retaliation for Hamas looking for more international recognition from agencies and treaties.

When you don't know something, keep quiet.

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Israel has made few mistakes, against all odds they're still around and growing.That in itself is amazing.

Israel is withholding Taxes it collects for the West Bank & Gaza because it is forced under treaty to handle those collections, that same treaty forbids the Palestinians from shooting rockets into Israel and from kidnapping and killing Israeli citizens, you Quisling.
They aren't even holding that money without cause as the Palestinians owe Millions to Israeli power companies, water works and other services, so they are deducting it, which they might not have done if PAlestinians had acted differently.

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Posted: 7/15/2014 6:05 PM

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SkannerDan wrote: Why don't you address the soviet Georgia war? Was that chamberlain as well, or does that only apply for Obama. Partisan hack.


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ajmadison wrote:
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
.
Can we say Neville Chamberlain?

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I'm not responding the Soviet/Georgia deal because i know a lot more about it than you do, I've been to Georgia and have Georgian friends and Bush was wrong thee, doesn't make Obama  any better, if anything he should have learned..
Bush was in a very weakened position at that time and still:

Moreover, just days after Russian tanks entered Georgia to support separatists in its provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, President Bush sent US military transport planes with humanitarian and medical supplies to Georgia, coupled with a warning to Putin not to obstruct the aid effort. And possibly even more significantly, he sent Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice  to Tbilisiin a bold show of  support for Georgian territorial integrity.

For Russia to take Georgia’s capitol, it would have had to capture America’s chief diplomat. The invasion stopped in South Ossetia, and to this day, only a handful of nations recognize the independence of the two tiny Russian client states. The U.S., the United Nations and most nations of the world still recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as areas of the Republic of Georgia.


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Posted: 7/15/2014 6:24 PM

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None of that is any different than Obama. You said Putin wouldn't act that way with a republican. He clearly did.

Try and keep track of YOUR arguments.


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SkannerDan wrote: Why don't you address the soviet Georgia war? Was that chamberlain as well, or does that only apply for Obama. Partisan hack.


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--- JWE44 wrote:


ajmadison wrote:
You're missing the point.

The entire dynamic is different with a Republican president, Putin wouldn't have gone into the Ukraine with a President he knew would do something about it.
Impotence makes bullies do things they wouldn't normally do.

FOr 60 years the LEFT screamed BAN THE BOMB !!! GET RID OF NUKES but in reality the threat of NUKES, the nuclear deterrent, kept the two greatest super powers in the history of the world, two sworn enemies from really, pretty much ever firing a  shot at each other, except through intermediaries and/or client States.

I mean having the bomb arguably saved millions and milions of lives yet, the idiots on the left viewed the 'Bomb" as the real impediment to world peace.
Wrong on every issue, screws loose, synapses not firing correctly.
.
Can we say Neville Chamberlain?

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I'm not responding the Soviet/Georgia deal because i know a lot more about it than you do, I've been to Georgia and have Georgian friends and Bush was wrong thee, doesn't make Obama  any better, if anything he should have learned..
Bush was in a very weakened position at that time and still:Moreover, just days after Russian tanks entered Georgia to support separatists in its provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, President Bush sent US military transport planes with humanitarian and medical supplies to Georgia, coupled with a warning to Putin not to obstruct the aid effort. And possibly even more significantly, he sent Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice  to Tbilisiin a bold show of  support for Georgian territorial integrity.

For Russia to take Georgia’s capitol, it would have had to capture America’s chief diplomat. The invasion stopped in South Ossetia, and to this day, only a handful of nations recognize the independence of the two tiny Russian client states. The U.S., the United Nations and most nations of the world still recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as areas of the Republic of Georgia.




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