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Marquette's Mayo

Posted: 7/30/2014 6:53 PM

Marquette's Mayo 


Forgoes school to play in Europe:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...-269296831.html
 
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:55 PM

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Hold the Mayo
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:18 PM

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Mayo must have realized that Wojo would make them go to class
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:47 PM

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or Wojo realized Mayo is a liability and encouraged this move.
jumpinjackflashback wrote: Mayo must have realized that Wojo would make them go to class
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:18 PM

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I remember a thread last year on Marquette's board about the best college players by position in the state of Wisconsin.  Most had Mayo ahead of Gasser and Brust.  Now many are saying it is better for their team that he is gone.  Funny to read the responses on their boards.

Wojo does seem to me like he is changing the culture at MU which would be a breath of fresh air.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:49 PM

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No matter, I'm so over college ball,the NCAA ruined it.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:52 PM

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That's funny.  He was their leading scorer among returning players.  He and Burton were the only ones that showed much of anything.  I do applaud Wojo for running a tighter ship (so far) however.
jakeec wrote: I remember a thread last year on Marquette's board about the best college players by position in the state of Wisconsin.  Most had Mayo ahead of Gasser and Brust.  Now many are saying it is better for their team that he is gone.  Funny to read the responses on their boards.

Wojo does seem to me like he is changing the culture at MU which would be a breath of fresh air.
 
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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:16 PM

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jakeec wrote: I remember a thread last year on Marquette's board about the best college players by position in the state of Wisconsin.  Most had Mayo ahead of Gasser and Brust.  Now many are saying it is better for their team that he is gone.  Funny to read the responses on their boards.

Wojo does seem to me like he is changing the culture at MU which would be a breath of fresh air.
I'll be honest, talent wise he was better than Gasser and Brust.  Mentality wise he was way behind.  He had a lot of talent that would have helped the team this year, but if some of the other stories are true, his attitude would  have hurt the team.

Sometimes players outplay their talent because of heart/mind (Gasser/Brust), other times people sabotage their own abilities (Mayo).
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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:26 PM

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And other times they are just not as good as some people think they are.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:38 PM

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I'd pay $28 for the thread on here when Mayo first got kicked off the team for academics and then got let back on when someone else transferred.  Back then Buzz was just molding husbands and fathers.  Now Buzz is a total scumbag and cleaning out his headcases is priority 1 for the new Best Coach in America.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:29 PM

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Funny to see the change in recruiting since Buzz left town. All the guys at UW that were called "stiffs" by the MU crowd are now lauded. I guess they looked up the road at big brother and finally figured out that you can run a clean program and be successful.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 10:53 AM

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Seems like Wojo is certainly changing the look of the Warriors.
 
You come at the king, you best not miss.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 11:19 AM

Where professionally is he going to be playing?? 


Guessing, probably incorrectly, he's in the process of signing/has signed with a professional team.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 11:47 AM

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TexasBadger wrote: Guessing, probably incorrectly, he's in the process of signing/has signed with a professional team.
Rumor was he'll go to the D League this year and enter his name in the NBA draft next year. He's not getting drafted barring drastic improvement so Europe would probably be the better choice.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:55 PM

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Addition by subtraction in trying to construct a team and program the right way.  Is there room for his brother's stuff in the UHaul heading out of Milwaukee?

Everybody have fun tonight everybody Wang Chung tonight.

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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:34 PM

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Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:24 PM

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jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
Think that Carlino, Duane Wilson, JaJuan Johnson, Burton, Fischer (2nd Semester) will be a potent offensive lineup. Not sure how they are going to guard the post, but could be entertaining.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:23 PM

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MUWarrior1090 wrote:
TexasBadger wrote: Guessing, probably incorrectly, he's in the process of signing/has signed with a professional team.
Rumor was he'll go to the D League this year and enter his name in the NBA draft next year. He's not getting drafted barring drastic improvement so Europe would probably be the better choice.
Well that would probably be a pretty dumb move. Won't get paid squat - D-League pays just slightly better than a job at a fast food restaurant. Max is $25,000 but average is around $17,000. If the plan is to enter the draft next year, he's much better off playing overseas & actually making some money.

Unless you've got a chance to get called up to an NBA team during the season, the D-League is generally isn't a very good option.

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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:42 PM

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MUWarrior1090 wrote:
jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
Think that Carlino, Duane Wilson, JaJuan Johnson, Burton, Fischer (2nd Semester) will be a potent offensive lineup. Not sure how they are going to guard the post, but could be entertaining.
tmoney will find them very entertaining as they get smoked game after game.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:50 PM

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MUWarrior1090 wrote:
jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
Think that Carlino, Duane Wilson, JaJuan Johnson, Burton, Fischer (2nd Semester) will be a potent offensive lineup. Not sure how they are going to guard the post, but could be entertaining.
It definitely could be but you are depending a lot on 3 guys who have a combined 16 points in conference play.  I dont really think Carlino is special - really poor shooter for a guard but he likes to shoot a lot.  Never higher than 41% from the field, never higher than 34% from three and was under 70% from the line last year.  That isnt very impressive at all.  Burton is really solid.

I dont think guarding the post will be the only problem.  I think bigger guards could give Marquette fits.  Wilson is slight and Carlino isnt super big either.  Then you get to the post where Burton looked really bad last year, Taylor not much better and we have no idea what Fischer can do there.  Marquette will be very interesting.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:30 AM

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As a freshman, Mayo showed some potential, on both offense and defense, but I was never a fan of his game.  He always seemed like more of a "Me" player than a "We" player, and his overall demeanor and attitude seemed to suck.

From all reports, he is a loner, which, in itself, is not necessarily bad, but in a team sport it certainly does not contribute to team unity or chemistry.

Personally, I view his departure as addition by subtraction.  I honestly did not expect him to return this year and was surprised when he seemed to be coming back.

I don't wish him any ill will, but he's not the type of player I would want on my team if I were a coach.  His departure gives the younger guys like Duane Wilson and Johnson and Dawson greater opportunity to develop this year.

I don't see Mayo ever making the NBA.  But then again I never expected Dwight Buycks to get even a 10-day NBA contract, and he ended up signing for the year with Toronto, so what do I know?  I also never expected Stiemsma, based on what he showed at UW, to make it to the League, but he did, as well.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:16 AM

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SilverWarrior wrote: As a freshman, Mayo showed some potential, on both offense and defense, but I was never a fan of his game.  He always seemed like more of a "Me" player than a "We" player, and his overall demeanor and attitude seemed to suck.

From all reports, he is a loner, which, in itself, is not necessarily bad, but in a team sport it certainly does not contribute to team unity or chemistry.

Personally, I view his departure as addition by subtraction.  I honestly did not expect him to return this year and was surprised when he seemed to be coming back.

I don't wish him any ill will, but he's not the type of player I would want on my team if I were a coach.  His departure gives the younger guys like Duane Wilson and Johnson and Dawson greater opportunity to develop this year.

I don't see Mayo ever making the NBA.  But then again I never expected Dwight Buycks to get even a 10-day NBA contract, and he ended up signing for the year with Toronto, so what do I know?  I also never expected Stiemsma, based on what he showed at UW, to make it to the League, but he did, as well.
I can see Mayo being addition by subtraction although the last ten games of the year he was Marquettes best player.  He averaged about 14 ppg with 3 rebounds and 3-4 assists.  Those are pretty solid numbers while shooting pretty well from the floor 45% or so.  I didnt do the exact math and just eye-balled the numbers.  

Marquette fans have been using the addition by subtraction line a lot even with Wilson, Gardner and Otule and Buzz.  That is a lot of addition by subtraction from a group that lead you to an Elite Eight just two years ago.  I know where other players but I think some Marquette fans are underestimating the talent that team lost.  They underperformed last year but I dont think it is a safe bet to assume Fischer, Burton, Johnson, Duane Wilson, and Carlino is a step up form Otule, Gardner, Wilson, Mayo, and Derrick Wilson
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:18 AM

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SilverWarrior wrote: I also never expected Stiemsma, based on what he showed at UW, to make it to the League, but he did, as well.
I didn't think he would sustain a career, but it is pretty difficult to find a very good shot-blocker that can be brought off the bench in spurts.  Stiemsma doesn't get too much time on the floor (and his minutes have dropped each year), but his per 36 and 48 averages, especially defensively, are pretty impressive.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:15 PM

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RandyLuke wrote: No matter, I'm so over college ball,the NCAA ruined it.
True, the NCAA is a disgrace to the concept of "level playing field" and "true student athletes", but the game itself is still preferable to the NBA.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:20 PM

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jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
If Wojo is scrubbing the decks and working towards true student athletes, then I applaud him and the move and wish them luck!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:10 PM

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jakeec wrote:
MUWarrior1090 wrote:
jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
Think that Carlino, Duane Wilson, JaJuan Johnson, Burton, Fischer (2nd Semester) will be a potent offensive lineup. Not sure how they are going to guard the post, but could be entertaining.
It definitely could be but you are depending a lot on 3 guys who have a combined 16 points in conference play.  I dont really think Carlino is special - really poor shooter for a guard but he likes to shoot a lot.  Never higher than 41% from the field, never higher than 34% from three and was under 70% from the line last year.  That isnt very impressive at all.  Burton is really solid.

I dont think guarding the post will be the only problem.  I think bigger guards could give Marquette fits.  Wilson is slight and Carlino isnt super big either.  Then you get to the post where Burton looked really bad last year, Taylor not much better and we have no idea what Fischer can do there.  Marquette will be very interesting.
I don't think that guarding the post will be the only problem. Just think it will be the biggest problem.

As far as Carlino, he has always been hailed as a good shooter whose percentage has been dragged down by poor shot selection. If Wojo can reel him in a bit and get him to play under control (maybe by playing him off the ball) I think his percentages will greatly improve.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:52 PM

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MUWarrior1090 wrote:
jakeec wrote:
MUWarrior1090 wrote:
jakeec wrote: Marquette will be kind of fun to watch next year.  Carlino isnt great in my mind but they are going to have a lot of freshman/sophomore playing a ton of minutes.  I guess we will see how good these guys are
Think that Carlino, Duane Wilson, JaJuan Johnson, Burton, Fischer (2nd Semester) will be a potent offensive lineup. Not sure how they are going to guard the post, but could be entertaining.
It definitely could be but you are depending a lot on 3 guys who have a combined 16 points in conference play.  I dont really think Carlino is special - really poor shooter for a guard but he likes to shoot a lot.  Never higher than 41% from the field, never higher than 34% from three and was under 70% from the line last year.  That isnt very impressive at all.  Burton is really solid.

I dont think guarding the post will be the only problem.  I think bigger guards could give Marquette fits.  Wilson is slight and Carlino isnt super big either.  Then you get to the post where Burton looked really bad last year, Taylor not much better and we have no idea what Fischer can do there.  Marquette will be very interesting.
I don't think that guarding the post will be the only problem. Just think it will be the biggest problem.

As far as Carlino, he has always been hailed as a good shooter whose percentage has been dragged down by poor shot selection. If Wojo can reel him in a bit and get him to play under control (maybe by playing him off the ball) I think his percentages will greatly improve.
Wow! An "if" and a "think" in the same sentence.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:47 PM

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mudcannon wrote: Funny to see the change in recruiting since Buzz left town. All the guys at UW that were called "stiffs" by the MU crowd are now lauded. I guess they looked up the road at big brother and finally figured out that you can run a clean program and be successful.
Your dancing on a fine line mud man, but i agree.   Just look at Duke teams and you will see what MU will end up looking like.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:34 PM

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In style maybe, but not substance.

redline59 wrote:
mudcannon wrote: Funny to see the change in recruiting since Buzz left town. All the guys at UW that were called "stiffs" by the MU crowd are now lauded. I guess they looked up the road at big brother and finally figured out that you can run a clean program and be successful.
Your dancing on a fine line mud man, but i agree.   Just look at Duke teams and you will see what MU will end up looking like.

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Posted: 8/2/2014 6:12 AM

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Duke has had many of the most talented offensive players in the country year after year.  If you give Carlino the freedom of JJ Redick, that is exciting for Carlino but probably nobody else.  I wouldn't say Duke has had a reputation for hyper disciplined passionate defense. Who is the Kyle Singler on Marquette who makes up for the reckless, almost impatient, defense that you see when you look at Duke?   
redline59 wrote:

Just look at Duke teams and you will see what MU will end up looking like.
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