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Is the Stone / Ellenson / Sharma

Posted: 7/24/2014 10:55 AM

Is the Stone / Ellenson / Sharma 


situation similar to when we looked at Jbo, Hughes and ? (Louisville? guy) where we say the first 2 to commit receive the scholies?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:02 AM

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It was Jerry Smith and no, we would take all 3. Not gonna happen though.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:13 AM

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In this case, we could play Ellenson at the 3, Sharma at the 4, and Stone at the 5.  We'd take all 3, but it's not going to happen so we'll take as many as we get.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:14 AM

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Dream Team.  Aim high.
 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:40 AM

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More like two years ago when we had multiple openings (enough for up to a five man class) and offers out there for four pretty good forwards, including Ojeleye and Hayes, except the bigs we are waiting on this year are more highly prized.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:20 PM

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Keep the faith and hope that those recruits realize that with two of them committing the Badgers can go as far as any team in the country and set all time Wisconsin basketball history records! Go Badgers!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:59 PM

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This is about the best timing possible for homegrown recruits of this caliber to be available, with Wisconsin coming off of a high-profile run to the Final Four
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:54 PM

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panama74 wrote: It was Jerry Smith and no, we would take all 3. Not gonna happen though.
That's him - how did he do in college - and after?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:56 PM

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stlbadger wrote:
panama74 wrote: It was Jerry Smith and no, we would take all 3. Not gonna happen though.
That's him - how did he do in college - and after?
If I recall, he did no better or worse than Hughes and JBo.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:37 PM

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Now Ivan Rabb says he wants to go in a package deal with Stone and Newman to either Kentucky or Kansas.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:39 PM

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stlbadger wrote:
panama74 wrote: It was Jerry Smith and no, we would take all 3. Not gonna happen though.
That's him - how did he do in college - and after?
I remember following that a little bit, and Smith started off faster than Hughes, but his numbers never really went up a lot after his freshman year, so, on the average, Hughes (our last scholarship was between Smith and Hughes) scored more than Smith, and also had more assists, being a point guard.  As a typical improve as you go along Badger guard, Hughes had better numbers as an upperclassman. 

      Smith's scoring averages were: 8.0, 10.7, 7.8, and 8.3. 

     Hughes scoring averages were: 1.7, 11.2, 12.1, and 15.3.

Bohannon's scoring averages were: 4.6, 8.2, 10.3, and 11.6.
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Other improve as you go along Badger guards include:

Traevon Jackson: 1.1, 6.9, 10.7...

          Ben Brust: 0.8, 7.3, 11.1, 12.8.

        Kam Taylor: 1.2, 8.4, 14.2, 13.2.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 4:23 PM

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George2k5 wrote: Now Ivan Rabb says he wants to go in a package deal with Stone and Newman to either Kentucky or Kansas.
They're still just three guys making independent decisions.  They may end up overlapping since they're choosing from the same top schools, but it's not a package deal.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:09 PM

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All three are a take no doubt.  I actually think we have a legit shot at Stone.  I didn't think that with Looney.  I tried to talk myself into us getting him at the end, but he just never seemed genuinely interested to me.  Stone and his dad definitely seem to love Bo and Wisconsin.  The package deal stuff is all hogwash to me.  I think Sharma will end up being a Badger when it's all said and done as well.  Ellenson is the guy I though we would get for sure a couple of months ago and now he's the one I don't think we get.  Recruiting is an absolute crap shoot.
George2k5 wrote: Now Ivan Rabb says he wants to go in a package deal with Stone and Newman to either Kentucky or Kansas.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:12 PM

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George2k5 wrote: Now Ivan Rabb says he wants to go in a package deal with Stone and Newman to either Kentucky or Kansas.
He sounds like the pathetic 3rd wheel who wants to be included but isn't.  Really guys, we're all best friends, even if the other 2 have NEVER mentioned me. 
He's obviously a huge talent, but has anyone seen anything to lead them to believe the other 2 care where he goes?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:28 PM

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stlbadger wrote: situation similar to when we looked at Jbo, Hughes and ? (Louisville? guy) where we say the first 2 to commit receive the scholies?
Not similar - we could have as many as 5-7 scholarships available for the 2015 class...whereas we only had 3 scholarships available for the 2006 class which went to JBo, Hughes and Gavinski...but of course, in hindsight, we should never have even offered JP and instead saved the scholie for Smith but it was highly unlikely that we would get all 3 gurads anyways....

In this case - we would take 3 bigs for 2015 since we need more talented big men...and beisdes, if Kentucky can have 4 burger boy big men (Cauley-Stein, D. Johnson, Towns, Lyles) on their roster all at once....why cant we???
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:34 PM

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dcamp wrote:
stlbadger wrote:
panama74 wrote: It was Jerry Smith and no, we would take all 3. Not gonna happen though.
That's him - how did he do in college - and after?
I remember following that a little bit, and Smith started off faster than Hughes, but his numbers never really went up a lot after his freshman year, so, on the average, Hughes (our last scholarship was between Smith and Hughes) scored more than Smith, and also had more assists, being a point guard.  As a typical improve as you go along Badger guard, Hughes had better numbers as an upperclassman. 

      Smith's scoring averages were: 8.0, 10.7, 7.8, and 8.3. 

     Hughes scoring averages were: 1.7, 11.2, 12.1, and 15.3.

Bohannon's scoring averages were: 4.6, 8.2, 10.3, and 11.6.
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Other improve as you go along Badger guards include:

Traevon Jackson: 1.1, 6.9, 10.7.

Ben Brust: 0.8, 7.3, 11.1, 12.8.

Kam Taylor: 1.2, 8.4, 14.2, 13.2.
Really hard to judge, IMO. Different teams, different styles and very different team needs. That's not taking anything away from Hughes or Bohannon just saying I don't think you can accurately make a comparison just by their scoring. For examples, IMO Bohannon would have likely scored more if Hughes had not been in the same backcourt. Traevon had he not shared the ball with Ben.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:58 PM

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It will be Stone, Pritzl, Dugan, and Iverson for the class of 2015.  There ya go.   Forget everything else you have heard or thought you heardpirate.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:08 PM

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redline59 wrote: It will be Stone, Pritzl, Dugan, and Iverson for the class of 2015.  There ya go.   Forget everything else you have heard or thought you heardpirate.
I thought we had 5 schollies...
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:16 PM

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redline59 wrote: It will be Stone, Pritzl, Dugan, and Iverson for the class of 2015.  There ya go.   Forget everything else you have heard or thought you heardpirate.
Who's Iverson?
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:19 PM

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I didn't realize we'll have 5 to give.  Get the 3 frontcourt players we are recruiting hardest along with Pritzl and another guard.  Ellenson still hasn't committed to the Gold after his brother did, so he shouldn't be ruled out.  Hopefully he comes to his senses.
 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 10:49 PM

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uwbadgers wrote: I didn't realize we'll have 5 to give.
More than that, actually.  There are six available scholarships for fall 2015 and Dekker's may become available as well.

Marshall - transferred
Andersen - done already
Jackson - senior
Gasser - senior
Dukan - senior
Kaminsky - senior

The offers that are already out to the 2016 class make me think that the 2015 class will have 4 or 5 members, and at the moment I'd lean towards predicting 4.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:58 AM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
redline59 wrote: It will be Stone, Pritzl, Dugan, and Iverson for the class of 2015.  There ya go.   Forget everything else you have heard or thought you heardpirate.
Who's Iverson?
Practice?  We talkin' 'bout practice???

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Posted: 8/4/2014 10:59 AM

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komacki wrote:
uwbadgers wrote: I didn't realize we'll have 5 to give.
More than that, actually.  There are six available scholarships for fall 2015 and Dekker's may become available as well.

Marshall - transferred
Andersen - done already
Jackson - senior
Gasser - senior
Dukan - senior
Kaminsky - senior

The offers that are already out to the 2016 class make me think that the 2015 class will have 4 or 5 members, and at the moment I'd lean towards predicting 4.
Lumping 2015 and 2016 together, we have seven scholarships to give out between the two classes.  We have one 2015 commitment in hand, and about an equal number of generally very good offers out there for 2015 and 2016, so a 4/3 split seems reasonable (a 3/3 split for the six remaining scholarships).  Personally, I think there's a good chance a third 2016 commit will be a better prospect than a fifth 2015 commit, so I'd prefer 4/3 to 5/2.  In the past when we have brought in five, no more than one or two played meaningful minutes as true freshmen, like Hayes and Koenig last year, and Jordan Taylor the time before that.  Going into 2015 with ten "regular" scholarship players would not be the end of the world.  The rotation is generally only seven nor eight, and with five preferred walk-ons added to the ten, we'll have enough players for practice.  One of those walk-ons, Showalter, would be an eleventh scholarship player in 2015 as a redshirt junior, and almost certainly part of the guard rotation.  I expect him to be on scholarship in 2014 and 2015, but maybe not in 2016 if we end up filling all seven slots by then, and if no one leaves. 

The only way a fifth 2015 scholarship makes sense is if we somehow get four good commits by October and then, at the last minute, Stone or Ellenson or Sharma chooses us like Hayes did a couple years ago.  No room for certain to redshirt projects in those first four for 2015 when we have a shot at multiple top-100 type players in 2016.  If this year's team is as good as it should be, add that to this past season's final four finish and we should be an attractive program for the high end 2016 prospects we are recruiting, giving us the potential for a 2016 recruiting class that could be even better than our 2015 class if we leave three slots open.  Having two first round draft picks this spring could help in recruiting for 2016 too.  A perfect storm of being attractive to high end recruits who might not have considered us in the past.  Good back-to-back recruiting classes in 2015 and 2016 would, in turn, keep the program strong going forward.

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