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Ran into Dukan

Posted: 7/10/2014 6:27 PM

Ran into Dukan 


I got lucky on Tuesday.  I was having a sub at my favorite sub shop, and in came Duje.  (Sorry, but I didn't pay attention to his order.)

While he was waiting for his sub, we chatted very briefly.  Duje has already graduated.  He is in a master's program.  (Sorry, I didn't pay attention to his major or the degree he's seeking.)

Anyway, he told me that the team is glad to have high expectations, and they've embraced those expectations.  They want to go further than they went last year.

I told him that I was, of course, a little sad that they didn't get to the championship game, but like many other Badger fans, I really appreciated how hard they worked to get there. 

He seemed genuinely pissed that they didn't finish the job.  I think that's great. 

Very charming, articulate young man, and a great representative of the U.

Incidentally, it was several months ago that I ran into Sammy Dekker at the same sandwich shop, and he told me that he'd just been measured at 6' 9" .  Duje looked to be just about the same height.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:11 PM

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Thanks for passing this along.  I like the way Duje's game has developed and he will definitely be in the rotation this year.  Not only does he play hard but defenders really need to respect his stroke from three.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:33 PM

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I love Duje.  I think he'll be a very big part of our national championship run.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:55 PM

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was this at FRABONI'S on Regent?  biggrin
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:21 PM

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On the biggest stage, Duje put his own personal 8 point run on Kentucky to get the Badgers back into the game. Kid can play and he'll make plenty of $$$ getting paid to hoop.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:44 PM

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Some on this board just a year and a half ago, were talking about Duje like it was a wasted scholarship.  CAN YOU SAY ERIC THE RED!?!?  Smart ass comments about this kid.  I tried to explain that he was a good player in a good conference in IL and thought he had something to offer. 

Point is---------------Duje has been another strong piece of "championship" caliber teams that Bo Ryan coaches.  I love the way he has handled himself (Duje), and the growth he has shown, and the team player he has been.  Proud of kids like this, and I still have that "pissed off" feeling about guys that know little about basketball, and come on here and discredit kids like this.  Duje was bidding his time like so many other Badgers that have been great contributors to the Badger program.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:30 PM

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4Baller wrote: I got lucky on Tuesday.  I was having a sub at my favorite sub shop, and in came Duje.  (Sorry, but I didn't pay attention to his order.)

While he was waiting for his sub, we chatted very briefly.  Duje has already graduated.  He is in a master's program.  (Sorry, I didn't pay attention to his major or the degree he's seeking.)

Anyway, he told me that the team is glad to have high expectations, and they've embraced those expectations.  They want to go further than they went last year.

I told him that I was, of course, a little sad that they didn't get to the championship game, but like many other Badger fans, I really appreciated how hard they worked to get there. 

He seemed genuinely pissed that they didn't finish the job.  I think that's great. 

Very charming, articulate young man, and a great representative of the U.

Incidentally, it was several months ago that I ran into Sammy Dekker at the same sandwich shop, and he told me that he'd just been measured at 6' 9" .  Duje looked to be just about the same height.
Hey! I've been told nobody says "the U". I guess it's just you and me. noidea

BTW, I posted when Uthoff got homesick that I didn't think we'd miss him much. Dukan possessed the same arsenal of tools had the potential to be just as good. With Duje and Sam on the roster home-sweet-home may have looked awfully good. I actually think Duje has more grit.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:46 AM

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If you say "the U" then you're referring to Miami.

I've also heard some Gophers refer to Minnesota as "the U" and then not understand that not every school calls themselves that.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:22 AM

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komacki wrote: If you say "the U" then you're referring to Miami.

I've also heard some Gophers refer to Minnesota as "the U" and then not understand that not every school calls themselves that.
I've called it that for 50+ years, komacki. Well before Miami popularized it. And I wasn't the only one, as 4Baller exhibited. Hell, there's a person or two who call it Udub,  I've heard that over the years too, even tho we all know that's nonsense. The real Udub is 2000 miles from here. LOL.

Back to Duje. IMO, he appears to have developed to the extent that he deserves more PT than the 8 mpg he got last year. If so, it will be interesting to see how Ryan does it.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 8:17 AM

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Silver Mine Subs - Broom Street & West Johnson.

Interesting to see this morning that Dekker was measured at 6'9" .  I scooped that story quite a few weeks ago when I ran into him and he told me.  His height was confirmed today.

For Dekker, improve his handle some, his shooting some, and get stronger, and you'll be a lottery pick, maybe along with your teammate.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:15 AM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
4Baller wrote: I got lucky on Tuesday.  I was having a sub at my favorite sub shop, and in came Duje.  (Sorry, but I didn't pay attention to his order.)

While he was waiting for his sub, we chatted very briefly.  Duje has already graduated.  He is in a master's program.  (Sorry, I didn't pay attention to his major or the degree he's seeking.)

Anyway, he told me that the team is glad to have high expectations, and they've embraced those expectations.  They want to go further than they went last year.

I told him that I was, of course, a little sad that they didn't get to the championship game, but like many other Badger fans, I really appreciated how hard they worked to get there. 

He seemed genuinely pissed that they didn't finish the job.  I think that's great. 

Very charming, articulate young man, and a great representative of the U.

Incidentally, it was several months ago that I ran into Sammy Dekker at the same sandwich shop, and he told me that he'd just been measured at 6' 9" .  Duje looked to be just about the same height.
Hey! I've been told nobody says "the U". I guess it's just you and me. noidea

BTW, I posted when Uthoff got homesick that I didn't think we'd miss him much. Dukan possessed the same arsenal of tools had the potential to be just as good. With Duje and Sam on the roster home-sweet-home may have looked awfully good. I actually think Duje has more grit.
As absolutely the most positionless poster in the history of message boards there is NO WAY you said Dukan would replace Mr. Ed!! I'm calling you out!!!
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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:15 AM

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stlbadger wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
4Baller wrote: I got lucky on Tuesday.  I was having a sub at my favorite sub shop, and in came Duje.  (Sorry, but I didn't pay attention to his order.)

While he was waiting for his sub, we chatted very briefly.  Duje has already graduated.  He is in a master's program.  (Sorry, I didn't pay attention to his major or the degree he's seeking.)

Anyway, he told me that the team is glad to have high expectations, and they've embraced those expectations.  They want to go further than they went last year.

I told him that I was, of course, a little sad that they didn't get to the championship game, but like many other Badger fans, I really appreciated how hard they worked to get there. 

He seemed genuinely pissed that they didn't finish the job.  I think that's great. 

Very charming, articulate young man, and a great representative of the U.

Incidentally, it was several months ago that I ran into Sammy Dekker at the same sandwich shop, and he told me that he'd just been measured at 6' 9" .  Duje looked to be just about the same height.
Hey! I've been told nobody says "the U". I guess it's just you and me. noidea

BTW, I posted when Uthoff got homesick that I didn't think we'd miss him much. Dukan possessed the same arsenal of tools had the potential to be just as good. With Duje and Sam on the roster home-sweet-home may have looked awfully good. I actually think Duje has more grit.
As absolutely the most positionless poster in the history of message boards there is NO WAY you said Dukan would replace Mr. Ed!! I'm calling you out!!!
I didn't say Dukan would replace Uthoff. I said their games AND their skills were very similar. That  Sam and Duje's presence may have concerned Uthoff. I did post that. And I posted it on the Iowa board as well.  Sorry buddy you're wrong again.

BTW, You are disgustingly classless to refer to Uthoff like that whether you like what he did or not. Act like something other than trailor trash, stl.

At any rate, I hold a ton of positions, and have posted them frequently. Just ask OB. I just don't make early predictions without any basis like you tend to do.  Most of those positions much to your chagrin are a couple inches in front of your nose. Too far for you to see or comprehend.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:26 AM

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Although we'll have five young players, Showalter, Brown, Dearring, Happ, and Hill, any one of whom could be good enough this year to deserve playing time, Ryan has often gone with basically a seven man rotation during Big Ten play and tournament play, and the seven players returning from our core eight last year will form a very good core seven.  Dukan, as the primary front court backup, should be perfect for that role given that he is a fifth year senior who gained valuable experience last year.  Good front court size too: 7' 0", 6' 9", and 6' 7" (250 lb.) backed up by 6' 9" Dukan.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:25 PM

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I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 1:12 PM

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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
No, not ETR! That cannot be. Say it isn't so ETR.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:03 PM

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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
Wrong - ETR said Dukan took a good RS when I asked when a RS is good or a waste.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:21 PM

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Well it was a good RS because he supposedly was willing to give up his scholly for the 5th year. In other words, there was no risk.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:09 AM

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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
Wrong - ETR said Dukan took a good RS when I asked when a RS is good or a waste.

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ETR made those comments prior to Dukan's redshirt year. By his redshirt year he realized Dukan might be able to contribute
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:31 AM

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4Baller wrote: I got lucky on Tuesday.  I was having a sub at my favorite sub shop, and in came Duje.  (Sorry, but I didn't pay attention to his order.)

While he was waiting for his sub, we chatted very briefly.  Duje has already graduated.  He is in a master's program.  (Sorry, I didn't pay attention to his major or the degree he's seeking.)

Anyway, he told me that the team is glad to have high expectations, and they've embraced those expectations.  They want to go further than they went last year.

I told him that I was, of course, a little sad that they didn't get to the championship game, but like many other Badger fans, I really appreciated how hard they worked to get there. 

He seemed genuinely pissed that they didn't finish the job.  I think that's great. 

Very charming, articulate young man, and a great representative of the U.

Incidentally, it was several months ago that I ran into Sammy Dekker at the same sandwich shop, and he told me that he'd just been measured at 6' 9" .  Duje looked to be just about the same height.
One more time that 4Baller shows that he can "network" with anyone and everyone. Wondering if you can get me a meeting with Ron Roenicke.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 12:55 PM

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There was a ton of H.S. film on the guy and it was clear that he shot really, really well, had a very good handle and was comfortable with the ball in his hand.  Fundamentally sound, well-schooled in the game and highly skilled.  Also clear that, like Brust, he had a scorer's mentality and actively looked for his shot.

What wasn't clear was his ability to defend at this level and his determination to "find a way".  He's an undersized four down low and lacking elite quickness for a three out on the perimeter.  Nonetheless, as Unknown Badger indicated, he showed beaucoup grit and "gitterdun" that didn't render him as any gross defensive liability.  Really good for Duje because Bo will find plenty of matchups favoring Dukan and he's now got Bo's trust.

Huge.  That trust and versatility will mean minutes (and shots) because of the high number of combinations where he can be effective.  It IS a team aimed at exceeding the sum of the parts and Dukan's one of those guys we'd call in the military a force multiplier.  Barring injury he'll be one of our weapons and we'll be damned glad that's the case.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 7:09 AM

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BigTenwatcher wrote:


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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
Wrong - ETR said Dukan took a good RS when I asked when a RS is good or a waste.

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ETR made those comments prior to Dukan's redshirt year. By his redshirt year he realized Dukan might be able to contribute
In other words, once Dukan started to contribute to the team ETR realized Dukan might contribute. Kind of like saying since it rained yesterday it might rain yesterday.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 9:20 AM

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ETR, doesn't surprise me. Big mouth smarta--

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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
No, not ETR! That cannot be. Say it isn't so ETR.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:09 PM

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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.

I always maintained that his defense had a long, long way to go, but that he was a decent shooter. Shooters always play eventually.

In fact, when Brusier got hurt in Fall of 2012 (BUT before Duje decided to redshirt) here was my EXACT take on the topic at Buckyville:

I would say that the Brusier injury leaves a combined 5-10 minutes for Duje/Bohannon. Before the injury, they were getting a combined 0-1.

I tend to agree with Fran. Duje gets the minutes.

So as you can clearly see, I had him getting a handful of minutes EVEN BEFORE HE DECIDED TO REDSHIRT.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:12 PM

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get49 wrote:
BigTenwatcher wrote:


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BigTenwatcher wrote: I remember ETR saying that Duje would never see any meaningful time at UW. Duje was never going to be a JP Gavinski. I knew when he got minutes in the NCAA during Jordan Taylor's Senior year.
Wrong - ETR said Dukan took a good RS when I asked when a RS is good or a waste.

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ETR made those comments prior to Dukan's redshirt year. By his redshirt year he realized Dukan might be able to contribute
In other words, once Dukan started to contribute to the team ETR realized Dukan might contribute. Kind of like saying since it rained yesterday it might rain yesterday.
Actually, redshirts don't contribute at all (on the floor, that is).
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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:27 PM

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Let's be honest - Duje is a guy that many of us, including myself, had come to believe would never be a big impact player at UW. His play last season, and the way he has developed, is a testament to how well the program develops players. I was stunned by his confidence and proficiency on the floor last season.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:10 PM

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Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: Let's be honest - Duje is a guy that many of us, including myself, had come to believe would never be a big impact player at UW. His play last season, and the way he has developed, is a testament to how well the program develops players. I was stunned by his confidence and proficiency on the floor last season.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:25 PM

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I agree many people thought that, I'm not sure why. When I looked at his HS film I saw a guy who ran well and shot well.

I was pleased with how he played last year. Kinda Sam Dekker lite; same size and does a lot of the same things. Nice piece to back Sam up, hustles, posts, rebounds, shoots the 3. Will be primary sub when Sam comes off the floor.

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Let's be honest - Duje is a guy that many of us, including myself, had come to believe would never be a big impact player at UW. His play last season, and the way he has developed, is a testament to how well the program develops players. I was stunned by his confidence and proficiency on the floor last season.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:45 PM

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TKatlanta wrote:
I agree many people thought that, I'm not sure why. When I looked at his HS film I saw a guy who ran well and shot well.

I was pleased with how he played last year. Kinda Sam Dekker lite; same size and does a lot of the same things. Nice piece to back Sam up, hustles, posts, rebounds, shoots the 3. Will be primary sub when Sam comes off the floor.

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--- Buckysdorsalstripe wrote:

Let's be honest - Duje is a guy that many of us, including myself, had come to believe would never be a big impact player at UW. His play last season, and the way he has developed, is a testament to how well the program develops players. I was stunned by his confidence and proficiency on the floor last season.

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It was very clear from watching him play in the first couple of red/white scrimmages that Duje was playing matador defense, avoiding contact, and not boxing out. Nobody ever doubted his ability to shoot, but shooting doesn't do you any good if you give up very easy baskets at the other end.

Watching him muscle offensive rebounds when sandwiched by beefier players in the final four was a revelation of how far Duje has come even from the fall of 2013 to spring of 2014.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:23 PM

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RichInBunlyGoodness wrote:
TKatlanta wrote:
I agree many people thought that, I'm not sure why. When I looked at his HS film I saw a guy who ran well and shot well.

I was pleased with how he played last year. Kinda Sam Dekker lite; same size and does a lot of the same things. Nice piece to back Sam up, hustles, posts, rebounds, shoots the 3. Will be primary sub when Sam comes off the floor.

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--- Buckysdorsalstripe wrote:

Let's be honest - Duje is a guy that many of us, including myself, had come to believe would never be a big impact player at UW. His play last season, and the way he has developed, is a testament to how well the program develops players. I was stunned by his confidence and proficiency on the floor last season.

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It was very clear from watching him play in the first couple of red/white scrimmages that Duje was playing matador defense, avoiding contact, and not boxing out. Nobody ever doubted his ability to shoot, but shooting doesn't do you any good if you give up very easy baskets at the other end.

Watching him muscle offensive rebounds when sandwiched by beefier players in the final four was a revelation of how far Duje has come even from the fall of 2013 to spring of 2014.
Gee, maybe Ryan actually knows something. If you're smart, have the athleticism, and the desire, you can be taught to play Defense. Especially the help D that Bo teaches. Heck, even Dekker's D improved immensely.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:16 PM

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No question Bo teaches that as well as any coach in the country, and that is why it is surprising to see a guy at the start of year two with so far to go.
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