Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >

Frontcourt

Posted: 7/6/2014 2:06 PM

Frontcourt 


I think w Frank, Sam, & Nigel, Wisconsin will have top 3 frontcourt in nation. I just read that SD measured 6'9 w/ 6'10  wingspan @ KD academy.  Way bigger measurements than when he came in. Each of these gentlemen will make a strong push for All conf @ there respective positions.  Frank now knows what he can do & I expect steady improvement.  Mr. Dekker has really been coming into his own as of late & w less focus on him bc of others on the team, I think this will be the year he takes the bull by the horns & makes huge strides. Because of his continued growth he will be a better overall defender than the previous two years.  Nigel the unknown. We'll used to be, wow, Bo got another big that was not highly ranked albeit he was on the cusp of gr8ness towards the end of the  h.s. rankings. Throw in the backup Duje of whom I've already publicly apologized to for not believing in him & maybe one other off the bench and we're solid.
Right now even w the F4 I still think were way undervalued. 
My rating: Strong Buy
Backcourt later date, but 3 deep w Show the strong 4th guard.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 3:58 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


Not sure how you can call Showalter a 'strong 4th' at this point. Frankly if a 4th guard contributes much this year, I expect it to be Dearring.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 7/6/2014 4:14 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


So you expect a kid who hasn't played college ball to contribute over a kid who has already contributed in his career already?  It's possible, but it's not ridiculous to think Showalter would see time. 
Badgers919 wrote: Not sure how you can call Showalter a 'strong 4th' at this point. Frankly if a 4th guard contributes much this year, I expect it to be Dearring.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 4:23 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



combatsports4life wrote: So you expect a kid who hasn't played college ball to contribute over a kid who has already contributed in his career already?  It's possible, but it's not ridiculous to think Showalter would see time. 
Badgers919 wrote: Not sure how you can call Showalter a 'strong 4th' at this point. Frankly if a 4th guard contributes much this year, I expect it to be Dearring.
I don't know.  Showalter hasn't demonstrated an outstanding ability to shoot, which may be Dearring's strength
Reply | Quote
  • panama74
  • Sophomore
  • 2856 posts this site

Posted: 7/6/2014 4:30 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


Whoever gets that role shouldn't be taking many shots. I'm pretty confident it'll be between Showalter and Hill. Ideally, that player will only be playing in meaningful games if two of Jackson/Gasser/Koenig get 2 first half fouls.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 4:40 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



combatsports4life wrote: So you expect a kid who hasn't played college ball to contribute over a kid who has already contributed in his career already?  It's possible, but it's not ridiculous to think Showalter would see time. 
Badgers919 wrote: Not sure how you can call Showalter a 'strong 4th' at this point. Frankly if a 4th guard contributes much this year, I expect it to be Dearring.
Fair enough, but my bigger point is I see some potential in unproven commodities, not a 'strong 4th'
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 5:02 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


I think it is fair to say that very few know who that 4th guard might be and the majority of those are a part of the team.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 7:00 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


The greatest 22 minutes of big ten play ever for a freshmen.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 7:34 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


In my best A. I. voice...

"We're talking about the 4th guard?.  The fourth guard?   Guard number 4?"

Last year the Badgers played 38 games and the number 4 guards (Marshall and Hill) combined for 50 minutes of play.  That is 1.32 minutes per game.

Isn't there something/anything more important  to discuss?
Reply | Quote
  • panama74
  • Sophomore
  • 2856 posts this site

Posted: 7/6/2014 8:24 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


The fourth guard last year was Koenig, and he played a lot.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 8:24 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



badgerpaw wrote: In my best A. I. voice...

"We're talking about the 4th guard?.  The fourth guard?   Guard number 4?"

Last year the Badgers played 38 games and the number 4 guards (Marshall and Hill) combined for 50 minutes of play.  That is 1.32 minutes per game.

Isn't there something/anything more important  to discuss?
I believe Koenig was the fourth guard last year and he played a bit more than 50 minutes. However,  next year there will be more 2 guard sets so the fourth guard will not get as many minutes, but one or two of Showalter, Hill, and Dearing will see plenty of PT particularly early in the season
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 9:03 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


Showalter is light years ahead of Dearing right now. Dearing would have trouble guarding anybody. I doubt Dearing will see any meaningful minutes this year.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/6/2014 9:47 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



And you know this how?

---------------------------------------------
--- thebadge10 wrote:

Showalter is light years ahead of Dearing right now. Dearing would have trouble guarding anybody. I doubt Dearing will see any meaningful minutes this year.

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 4:36 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



panama74 wrote: The fourth guard last year was Koenig, and he played a lot.
Yes, I realize BK was the fourth guard last year.
But, barring injury to one of the front court players, I doubt you'll see  the 4th guard garner many minutes in the 2014-15 season.

Big Frank, Dekker, Hayes, Dukan and Brown aren't going to ride the pines to let a 4th guard get many minutes. Same goes for seniors TJ and Gasser at the guard position.
The 5 frontcourt players and the three guards will be the top players as far as minutes played.

Last year the number nine player was Vitto Brown with 44 minutes played.

And 3 guard sets will see much less floor time this season, imo.

Last edited 7/7/2014 4:45 AM by badgerpaw

Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 6:19 AM

Re: Frontcourt 


Dukan averaged only 8 mpg last year, and the only player not coming back is Brust.

With Kaminsky, Dekker, and Hayes all returning, I don't see Dukan getting many, if any more mpg than he did a year ago.  If anything Hayes will get more mpg.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the following approximate mpg next year (in games that are not blow-outs):

Kaminsky - 32
Dekker - 32
Hayes - 32
Gasser - 32
Jackson - 32
Koenig - 32
Dukan - 8
Reply | Quote
  • jakeec
  • Junior
  • 3323 posts this site

Posted: 7/7/2014 8:13 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



panama74 wrote: The fourth guard last year was Koenig, and he played a lot.
That is mainly because Bronson was really really good and they needed to find was to get him on the court.  He averaged 15 minutes a game in part because we started 3 guards which we probably wont do this year and if we do our first sub will be one of the guards out for Nigel.

 Dukan will back up the bigs thus getting an up tick in minutes because we will start three of them and they can each play multiple positions.  Brown will get some time as Frank's back up but we used Nigel there last year so he will get time there as well.  

I expect Bronson, Josh, and Traevon to get almost all the guard minutes and Sam will get most of the minutes at the 3.  He can play the wing.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 8:29 AM

Re: Frontcourt 


One really nice thing with our guards is that they all should be comfortable playing the 1 or 2 and thus any combination of the three should be fine. However if any if the 3 gets in foul trouble you would need some spot minutes from another guy unless they play the entire half (not an unheard of thought).
Pain is Temporary, Pride is Forever
Reply | Quote
  • jakeec
  • Junior
  • 3323 posts this site

Posted: 7/7/2014 8:59 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



bbadger12 wrote: One really nice thing with our guards is that they all should be comfortable playing the 1 or 2 and thus any combination of the three should be fine. However if any if the 3 gets in foul trouble you would need some spot minutes from another guy unless they play the entire half (not an unheard of thought).
This years team is incredible in how many positions each guy can play and play well.  Trae can easily play 1-2 as can Bronson.  Josh can play 1-3.  Sam can play 3-4.  Nigel can play 4-5.  Frank is a 5.  The versatility of the first 6 will allow them to play a lot of the game. Dukan and Brown have opportunities as well.  Showalter will get some time when Josh moves out to the 3 and Trae or Bronson needs a breather.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 9:00 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



SilverWarrior wrote: Dukan averaged only 8 mpg last year, and the only player not coming back is Brust.

With Kaminsky, Dekker, and Hayes all returning, I don't see Dukan getting many, if any more mpg than he did a year ago.  If anything Hayes will get more mpg.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the following approximate mpg next year (in games that are not blow-outs):

Kaminsky - 32
Dekker - 32
Hayes - 32
Gasser - 32
Jackson - 32
Koenig - 32
Dukan - 8
Last year the top 6 in minutes averaged about 29 min per game. So I doubt you would see them average 32 min this year, although I do agree that the first guy off the bench will play starter minutes.

I think Duje is going to get more than 8 min per game, as he was playing well at the end of the year, and I think Bo will want to keep 3 forwards on the floor more often than not.

My guess would be that Jordan Hill would potentially be that fourth guard, if Bo want to stretch the guard rotation this year. Defensively he has Michael Flowers potential, and I thought he looked great playing in Canada and the red/white scrimmage last year.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 9:30 AM

Re: Frontcourt 


Bo knows and trusts showy.  He will play and they will not be mop up minutes.  The bigger question in my mind is what impact will Happ have on this TEAM.  Dekker, Kaminsky, Hayes, Dukan are a given, and Brown should be noticeable this year - maybe Happ will red shirt?
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 10:18 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



jakeec wrote:
bbadger12 wrote: One really nice thing with our guards is that they all should be comfortable playing the 1 or 2 and thus any combination of the three should be fine. However if any if the 3 gets in foul trouble you would need some spot minutes from another guy unless they play the entire half (not an unheard of thought).
This years team is incredible in how many positions each guy can play and play well.  Trae can easily play 1-2 as can Bronson.  Josh can play 1-3.  Sam can play 3-4.  Nigel can play 4-5.  Frank is a 5.  The versatility of the first 6 will allow them to play a lot of the game. Dukan and Brown have opportunities as well.  Showalter will get some time when Josh moves out to the 3 and Trae or Bronson needs a breather.
Frank is a 4-5. The roster doesn't even list him as a 5.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 11:10 AM

Re: Frontcourt 


I do see more of a 2 gd. lineup this year, with occasional 3 gd depending on match ups, so the front court will come into play a lot more this year including front court depth [ Dukan, Vitto, Happ?].
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 11:45 AM

Re: Frontcourt 



redline59 wrote: I do see more of a 2 gd. lineup this year, with occasional 3 gd depending on match ups, so the front court will come into play a lot more this year including front court depth [ Dukan, Vitto, Happ?].
What will be very interesting to see - the three guard lineup last year was very much driven by circumstance than choice. With only Dekker & Kaminsky returning as far as proven front court players & Brust, Gasser & TJ, a 3 guard lineup was almost a given. That said, obviously losing Brust & no front court players, one would guess a return to 2 guards. But - to what extent does the tremendous success last year - especially offensively - make them consider sticking with 3 guards more often by choice.

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 12:10 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



multimed wrote:
redline59 wrote: I do see more of a 2 gd. lineup this year, with occasional 3 gd depending on match ups, so the front court will come into play a lot more this year including front court depth [ Dukan, Vitto, Happ?].
What will be very interesting to see - the three guard lineup last year was very much driven by circumstance than choice. With only Dekker & Kaminsky returning as far as proven front court players & Brust, Gasser & TJ, a 3 guard lineup was almost a given. That said, obviously losing Brust & no front court players, one would guess a return to 2 guards. But - to what extent does the tremendous success last year - especially offensively - make them consider sticking with 3 guards more often by choice.
I think that all depends on the continued development of Dukan, Brown, and Happ. I thought Duje made big strides last year. You would have to believe he would get on the court a little more anyway. Physically, Brown is perhaps the most gifted player on the team. If he was indeed coming along in his development as Ryan has alluded to it would seem that you have to give him some PT as well. If nothing else just for the experience. Happ and Brown are total wild cards really.  One or the other could conceivably elect to RS.

Still, one would think that Dekker, Kaminsky, and Hayes need starter like minutes as well as Jackson, Gasser, and Koenig. To me, with a deep bench, that's 30 plus or minus 3. That only leaves about 20 minutes a game for guys like Dukan, Showalter, Brown, Hill, etc. Some are going o need to get them early in the season or in mop up roles throughout the year.
Reply | Quote
  • jakeec
  • Junior
  • 3323 posts this site

Posted: 7/7/2014 12:10 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



UnknownBadger wrote:
jakeec wrote:
bbadger12 wrote: One really nice thing with our guards is that they all should be comfortable playing the 1 or 2 and thus any combination of the three should be fine. However if any if the 3 gets in foul trouble you would need some spot minutes from another guy unless they play the entire half (not an unheard of thought).
This years team is incredible in how many positions each guy can play and play well.  Trae can easily play 1-2 as can Bronson.  Josh can play 1-3.  Sam can play 3-4.  Nigel can play 4-5.  Frank is a 5.  The versatility of the first 6 will allow them to play a lot of the game. Dukan and Brown have opportunities as well.  Showalter will get some time when Josh moves out to the 3 and Trae or Bronson needs a breather.
Frank is a 4-5. The roster doesn't even list him as a 5.
Did he guard many 4's last year?  I was more looking from a defensive end
Reply | Quote
  • panama74
  • Sophomore
  • 2856 posts this site

Posted: 7/7/2014 12:14 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


They can call him whatever they want, but Frank plays literally all of his minutes at the 5.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 12:25 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



jakeec wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
jakeec wrote:
bbadger12 wrote: One really nice thing with our guards is that they all should be comfortable playing the 1 or 2 and thus any combination of the three should be fine. However if any if the 3 gets in foul trouble you would need some spot minutes from another guy unless they play the entire half (not an unheard of thought).
This years team is incredible in how many positions each guy can play and play well.  Trae can easily play 1-2 as can Bronson.  Josh can play 1-3.  Sam can play 3-4.  Nigel can play 4-5.  Frank is a 5.  The versatility of the first 6 will allow them to play a lot of the game. Dukan and Brown have opportunities as well.  Showalter will get some time when Josh moves out to the 3 and Trae or Bronson needs a breather.
Frank is a 4-5. The roster doesn't even list him as a 5.
Did he guard many 4's last year?  I was more looking from a defensive end
Well, you guard who you have to guard given the team's make up. Gasser really isn't a 3 but he guarded them and some 4s as well. Wilkinson was NEVER a 5 but he spent most of his career guarding them.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 3:16 PM

Re: Frontcourt 


What % of threads actually stay on  point?  Few, I guess.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 7/7/2014 3:20 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



SkannerDan wrote:
And you know this how?

---------------------------------------------
--- thebadge10 wrote:

Showalter is light years ahead of Dearing right now. Dearing would have trouble guarding anybody. I doubt Dearing will see any meaningful minutes this year.

---------------------------------------------
He knows.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 7/7/2014 3:32 PM

Re: Frontcourt 



Knows and trusts? Based off what? He played 22 minutes in big ten play.

---------------------------------------------
--- badgerwatcher wrote:

Bo knows and trusts showy.  He will play and they will not be mop up minutes.  The bigger question in my mind is what impact will Happ have on this TEAM.  Dekker, Kaminsky, Hayes, Dukan are a given, and Brown should be noticeable this year - maybe Happ will red shirt?

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >