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Posted: 7/4/2014 10:38 AM

I'm really curious... 


I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:20 AM

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Given that Badger basketball is not only a consistently good program, but can now be viewed as a very good program period, it would be very disappointing to lose out on all three of the top players to come out of the state in quite a while, Looney, Stone, and Ellenson.  Even more disappointing if one ends up at instate rival Marquette instead of at a place like Kentucky or Duke or some other irresistible magnet for top-10 players. 

Assuming for a moment that we don't get Stone or Ellenson, if we do get Sharma, the pair of Pritzl and Sharma could be as good a pair as Koenig and Hayes in the 2014 class, and that would be enough to continue what we have going here, even more so if we add a second top-100 guard (third top-100 player) to this class.  If that's how it plays out, we'll see more three guard lineups in the future (it worked last season), although we'll also have some pretty good front court players in Hayes, Brown, Happ, and Sharma (if he comes here).  A 2016 starting lineup of Sharma, Happ, Hayes, Pritzl, and Koenig wouldn't be bad.  For me, it's kind of an either/or between Ellenson and Sharma (we need to get at least one of them), and it this point it sounds like Sharma is more likely.  Losing out on Stone and Ellenson and Sharma would be very disappointing.  Against Marquette we might have to match up against Ellenson and Fischer with Hayes and Happ, a reversal from recent years where we had the height advantage.

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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:26 AM

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I think most would be disappointed...when you break it down, it doesn't get much better than this from a recruiting standpoint.

two ELITE in-state big men
Coming off of a final four
Development of a big to all-american potential and given major exposure at a national level
The roster will be void of a true center so instant significant playing time is essentially guaranteed
Young promising talent in Hayes and Koenig to pair up with
Stone would be a natural defensive fit and Ellenson would be a natural offensive fit
Both could play on the floor at the same time

That said...it doesn't seem like we'll get both, so here is hoping we get at least one of them.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:37 AM

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BuckyNut wrote: I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
What is your response going to be?  Fire Bo, he can't recruit?  I will be disappointed, but I would like to know what you would want Bo to do differently?  Make more promises?  Kiss more ass?

The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes, demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful.

Anyways, I would be disappointed, especially missing Ellenson, because the kid was born to play in Bo's offensive system, just a perfect fit and Bo has been on him for years.  We just went to a Final Four and are going to be a top 5 team this upcoming year. I don't know what more Bo could do for this guy other than have offered his brother, but he wasn't going to play that game.

So, I ask you, what should he have done differently?  Seriously, everyone questions his recruiting, but what should he have done?  Some past recruits you could maybe fault Bo- Matt Thomas comes to mind- but these 2 guys, especially Henry, what more do you expect Bo to do?  Bo has been recruiting Henry harder than any other coach from what I have read/heard and from the very beginning, the offense is a absolute perfect fit for him, and the program is at it's all time peak.  If that's not enough to persuade the kid, what else is he supposed to do?

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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:02 PM

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I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed, because we have a clear identity, we are who we are, and we stay true to ourselves. We know in advance that our approach will appeal very much to some and not to others, and we really can't control where people live who like our approach. If a guy from New England or Illinois or wherever likes our approach more than the Wisconsin kids, that doesn't surprise or disappoint me in the least.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:10 PM

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You've summed up my thoughts 100%...  It would absolutely suck to miss on both of them.  However, if it happens, am I supposed to forget everything great that the program has been and stands for?  Of course not.  Life will go on, we will continue to win, it will just be without those two players.
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BuckyNut wrote: I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
What is your response going to be?  Fire Bo, he can't recruit?  I will be disappointed, but I would like to know what you would want Bo to do differently?  Make more promises?  Kiss more ass?

The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes, demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful.

Anyways, I would be disappointed, especially missing Ellenson, because the kid was born to play in Bo's offensive system, just a perfect fit and Bo has been on him for years.  We just went to a Final Four and are going to be a top 5 team this upcoming year. I don't know what more Bo could do for this guy other than have offered his brother, but he wasn't going to play that game.

So, I ask you, what should he have done differently?  Seriously, everyone questions his recruiting, but what should he have done?  Some past recruits you could maybe fault Bo- Matt Thomas comes to mind- but these 2 guys, especially Henry, what more do you expect Bo to do?  Bo has been recruiting Henry harder than any other coach from what I have read/heard and from the very beginning, the offense is a absolute perfect fit for him, and the program is at it's all time peak.  If that's not enough to persuade the kid, what else is he supposed to do?
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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:22 PM

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"...The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is
demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes,
demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of
his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously
turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful..."

Huge.  You've got to buy into the program, as is, for it to work.  No compromise to the standard whether you're Devin Harris or Evan Andersen.  If the staff has a squirmy feeling about a recruit in this respect, fit or academics then they're not being recruited.  If the recruit can't handle the terms and conditions then they'd never want in anyway.

That makes it easy.  It's a looong list of "student-athletes" that aren't a good match for reasons ranging from attitude, fit and academics to good old-fashioned skill.  The few remaining fitting our window have proven, on the whole, to be pre-qualified for success at UW.

I love Ryan's approach to recruiting.  It's mature and, in the end, attracts kids that seem a bit more mature than the norm.  Still kids but a little longer perspective.  Seeking insight.  Learners.  Guys like that self-select by gravitating to the teachers.

That's Bo.


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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:59 PM

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My gut feeling is that UW's problem in getting Stone is Stone's father. It is clear he wants his son to go to UW, but how many 17/18 year olds do what their parents want especially if they push to hard. Early on it was said Stone was going to stay in state. When he annouced he was going to be a package deal I felt that this was his excuse to get away. Much easier to say no to UW/MU fans and his father by saying I just wanted to play with my friend than to say I did not like your schools.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 12:01 PM

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bilsu wrote: My gut feeling is that UW's problem in getting Stone is Stone's father. It is clear he wants his son to go to UW, but how many 17/18 year olds do what their parents want especially if they push to hard. Early on it was said Stone was going to stay in state. When he annouced he was going to be a package deal I felt that this was his excuse to get away. Much easier to say no to UW/MU fans and his father by saying I just wanted to play with my friend than to say I did not like your schools.
mr stone stated recently that the "package deal " is not a done deal. that leads tmoney to believe that diamond will be coming to wisconsin.  mr stone and bo have quite a good realationship from all accounts.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:11 PM

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Enjoying a wonderful afternoon in Jackson Hole, wy [no wise cracks pleasewink].

Several of the above posters have reiterated the BO philosophy, i'll just add he is great teacher of the game.
The kids who come to THE UW get a world class education in the classroom and on the hardwood, and after 3-4 years for most of them they become pretty darn good college  players, that is why BOs' teams always will win 20-30 games/year and at least have a chance at greatness.

Dear Curious,
Say those top 3 or 4 kids decide to all "take their talents" elsewhere then what?
Maybe look at these guys after the July eval period is over,
Jeremy Miller 6-9, 215 PF, from NH
Kahil Iverson 6-5, 200 SF, from OH
Cody Schwartz 6-8, 190 SF/PF, from WI

All of these guys have 'warm'[247] interest in THE UW and if offered could jump at the chance to join Pritzl.  And yes the top 4 targets are considered 'warm' too.  But they are way up the food chain and perhaps are not as hungry as some others,  we will just have wait and see.  Sounds like Jarvis might announce as early as Aug1.  The others will drag it out until November, most likely.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 9:36 PM

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Bingo. 
Bendbadgersteve wrote: "...The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is
demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes,
demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of
his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously
turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful..."

Huge.  You've got to buy into the program, as is, for it to work.  No compromise to the standard whether you're Devin Harris or Evan Andersen.  If the staff has a squirmy feeling about a recruit in this respect, fit or academics then they're not being recruited.  If the recruit can't handle the terms and conditions then they'd never want in anyway.

That makes it easy.  It's a looong list of "student-athletes" that aren't a good match for reasons ranging from attitude, fit and academics to good old-fashioned skill.  The few remaining fitting our window have proven, on the whole, to be pre-qualified for success at UW.

I love Ryan's approach to recruiting.  It's mature and, in the end, attracts kids that seem a bit more mature than the norm.  Still kids but a little longer perspective.  Seeking insight.  Learners.  Guys like that self-select by gravitating to the teachers.

That's Bo.


Go Badgers!  On Wisconsin!

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Posted: 7/5/2014 11:01 PM

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Bo and his staff have done everything that they can.  The Wisconsin program is what it is.  It is a program that no one wants to play come tournament time.  They were one shot from being in the National Title game.  The swing offense is a offense that provides all players a chance to score.  If I were a big man that could shoot the 3 I would be excited to play for Bo Ryan.  If I were someone that wanted to win a Big Ten title and maybe a National Title I would love to play for him.  I watch a lot of college basketball and I know I might be a homer but he gives his players the chance to be part of something big during their career.  If these recruits choose to go somewhere else then the next player up will be someone that leads us to a NCAA tournament berth and maybe a chance at the Final Four.  He and his staff will see to that.  I watched his players give him hugs after the win over Arizona.  That tells me that they thing very highly of him.  They ran to him.  That tells me more than anything.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:44 AM

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everyone puts it all on Bo---Gard is the lead recruiter for Henry and Close is for Sharma.  Not sure who is with Stone ( maybe Lamont?).  Yes, Bo has the final push but if a kid doesn't want to stay in state, there is not much we can do.  Look at how many kids leave their home state( Hayes, a good example)--are their fans blasting their coaches too?  Bo always seems to survive with the players he gets.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 2:52 PM

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sconnie232 wrote:
BuckyNut wrote: I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
What is your response going to be?  Fire Bo, he can't recruit?  I will be disappointed, but I would like to know what you would want Bo to do differently?  Make more promises?  Kiss more ass?

The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes, demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful.

Anyways, I would be disappointed, especially missing Ellenson, because the kid was born to play in Bo's offensive system, just a perfect fit and Bo has been on him for years.  We just went to a Final Four and are going to be a top 5 team this upcoming year. I don't know what more Bo could do for this guy other than have offered his brother, but he wasn't going to play that game.

So, I ask you, what should he have done differently?  Seriously, everyone questions his recruiting, but what should he have done?  Some past recruits you could maybe fault Bo- Matt Thomas comes to mind- but these 2 guys, especially Henry, what more do you expect Bo to do?  Bo has been recruiting Henry harder than any other coach from what I have read/heard and from the very beginning, the offense is a absolute perfect fit for him, and the program is at it's all time peak.  If that's not enough to persuade the kid, what else is he supposed to do?
Listen, I really like Bo as a coach.  I think he's always shafted on how good he is compared to others out there.  I've always questioned his ability to "close the deal" on a number of big time recruits.  He has been able to close the deal with a number of in-state players but rarely outside of the state.  So if Bo is unable to lock down either one of these guys plus losing out last years big (forgot name) that doesn't speak highly of his ability to close the deal on the top recruits. 

I've always wondered what Bo could accomplish with classes like Duke, North Carolina or Kentucky - even tOSU for that matter.  People say Matta is a better coach than Bo???  I don't think so.  But Matta is a better recruiter than Bo.  Bo would be unstoppable or close to it with a top flight recruiting class.  Just my opinion.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:54 PM

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Musky, I really don't think this has anything to do with Bo's ability to "close".  This is as simple as Wisconsin being a very uniquely run program that isn't for everyone.  This argument about recruiting gets out of hand every time it happens.  The culture of the program is the reason for what happens in recruiting, of course, it's also the reason they win so much.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:58 PM

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I don't think most kids want to put in the work it takes to play for Bo Ryan, why waste a year playing 20 minutes a game...............when you can play for Coach Cal and then sit on the NBA pine or ride the bus to Sioux Falls in the NBA DL.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:00 PM

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It always comes back to "if Bo had top recruits," which I never understand. First off, UW's record would tell me they're getting top recruits. Second, how do you know coach Ryan's style would work with a different type of recruit? Part of what makes Bucky successful is that the players/coach have an understanding and relationship that a certain type of basketball will be played, and there will not necessarily be additional baggage in the recruiting or on campus. You give coach Ryan every top 10 player and they will not want to buy-in to a low turnover/high efficiency/strong defense/merit-based system, it's the nature of the beast. If your argument is, "Bo Ryan would be even more successful if he had a roster full of future NBA players that all want to play his style," I would think that'd be obvious for many coaches.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:11 PM

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I wouldn't be happy about it, but you can't force a kid to come to Wisconsin.  I wouldn't be happy, because we've seen what Bo can do with good talent.  I think getting kids like Ellenson and stone would be a guaranteed national championship appearance under Bo's Teaching.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 6:15 PM

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This is an interesting thread.  I understand the frustrations of some and the perspective of those who know this will be a good, competitive program with or without the in-state kids.  My gut tells me that much of what is being kicked around is more hyperbole than fact.  Much of the concerns of many are not based on fact, rather on speculation and ensuing hysteria.  Kids are enjoying the process and the attention but when push comes to shove, our class will be one which will continue to carry on the successful tradition we've been enjoying for quite some time.  Don't get me wrong, I'll be a bit anxious over the next couple months, but the only issue is, will UW be strong? and the answer is YES!
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Posted: 7/6/2014 6:37 PM

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I don't know, I tend to not knock coaches for a kid not committing to their program.  Realistically, what else can Bo and his staff do? They make their best pitches to these recruits and then it's out of their hands.

I just don't get knocking a coach for a decision that's completely out of their hands. Did Bo and his coaches offer Stone and Ellenson? Check. Are they putting out their best recruiting efforts for those kids? I imagine that's another check.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 6:52 PM

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uwwbadger wrote: I don't know, I tend to not knock coaches for a kid not committing to their program.  Realistically, what else can Bo and his staff do? They make their best pitches to these recruits and then it's out of their hands.

I just don't get knocking a coach for a decision that's completely out of their hands. Did Bo and his coaches offer Stone and Ellenson? Check. Are they putting out their best recruiting efforts for those kids? I imagine that's another check.
Well stated!! To assume they are not giving their recruitment of these kids everything they've got is perfectly ridiculous.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:38 AM

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Right on. 

(I have the BNut on IL but I can only imagine the comment was about something about how weak a "closer" Bo is, i.e., just can't "seal the deal" like other coaches.)
derivative wrote: Musky, I really don't think this has anything to do with Bo's ability to "close".  This is as simple as Wisconsin being a very uniquely run program that isn't for everyone.  This argument about recruiting gets out of hand every time it happens.  The culture of the program is the reason for what happens in recruiting, of course, it's also the reason they win so much.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 9:16 AM

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NCBadger, (if you're reading this), why am I on IL? It's guys like you that make this thread a bad thing. I asked an honest question to see what everyone's thoughts are. And yes, get your head out of your back-end and be honest with yourself - Bo is not a top notch closer, he keeps a lot of in-state guys which is great but I can't remember if he's gotten any out-of-state guys that were top tier players.

What just because someone disagrees with the "company line" that's a good reason why you put them on IL? LOL! To me that would make a pretty boring discussion if all you get is your own perspective.

CBSsports.com has 2 very interesting articles on this topic - top tier hoops players, especially the article on the coaches that are off to a good start recruiting.

As I've stated, I'm a huge Bo fan! I think he truly is one of the best COACHES out there - I would rank him at least in the top 5. Recruiting has gotten better but landing the top guys has been an issue (read above - I'm talking out of state guys). I guess that warrants being put on someone's IL. WOW!
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Posted: 7/8/2014 9:27 AM

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This was posted in the Football recruiting area, thought it was pertinent to this conversation. Hey NCBadger, Baccus1 goes against your viewpoint so you better IL him.

Jackster62 wrote: Guys as you know do not hung up on Star Rating . It is very far from an accurate measurement.... Remember: Chris Borland was only rated as a 2 star.

Baccus1 wrote: It's been proven over, and over, and over, and over that, IN GENERAL, star rankings are highly correlated to on field success for teams. IN GENERAL they absolutely matter. They are not very helpful on an INDIVIDUAL basis, but IN GENERAL teams that recruits in the Top 10 in star rankings will consistently beat out teams that do not. It's only been proven accurate for about 20 years now.

This pertains to both football and basketball. Good point by Baccus1.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:07 AM

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BuckyNut wrote: This was posted in the Football recruiting area, thought it was pertinent to this conversation. Hey NCBadger, Baccus1 goes against your viewpoint so you better IL him.

Jackster62 wrote: Guys as you know do not hung up on Star Rating . It is very far from an accurate measurement.... Remember: Chris Borland was only rated as a 2 star.

Baccus1 wrote: It's been proven over, and over, and over, and over that, IN GENERAL, star rankings are highly correlated to on field success for teams. IN GENERAL they absolutely matter. They are not very helpful on an INDIVIDUAL basis, but IN GENERAL teams that recruits in the Top 10 in star rankings will consistently beat out teams that do not. It's only been proven accurate for about 20 years now.

This pertains to both football and basketball. Good point by Baccus1.
Most people such myself come to sports boards to be entertained. In real life I try to avoid negative people. Bo and the Badgers are coming off a final four run and will be rated top 5 in the country next year and you want to talk about how Bo is a poor closer. You are either a troll or a very negative person - I think I will join NCBadger and just add you to my IL.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:32 AM

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Madtowntom wrote:
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Most people such myself come to sports boards to be entertained. In real life I try to avoid negative people. Bo and the Badgers are coming off a final four run and will be rated top 5 in the country next year and you want to talk about how Bo is a poor closer. You are either a troll or a very negative person - I think I will join NCBadger and just add you to my IL.
"Thanks" for reminding me why, Madtown'. tongue

I read with interest the recent ESPN article re how, in the writer's opinion, UW will again have a very highly rated offense this year and how that and our ppg in the tourney counters the old (and now out-of-date) UW is slow, boring, etc., description.  Seems to me that changing perception in and of itself might improve "Bo's closing percentage" with some studs more than any closing technique. 

But again, the guys who come still have to go to school, buy into the system and be committed to team and defense first, in addition to offense.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:37 AM

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BuckyNut wrote:
sconnie232 wrote:
BuckyNut wrote: I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
What is your response going to be?  Fire Bo, he can't recruit?  I will be disappointed, but I would like to know what you would want Bo to do differently?  Make more promises?  Kiss more ass?

The thing is, a part of what makes Bo so successful and such a good coach is demanding the most from all of his players.  Not putting up with mistakes, demanding 100% effort at all times, and putting defensive play first from ALL of his players.  Nothing is given, everything is earned.  I'm sure this obviously turns some potential recruits off, but it is also what makes Bo so successful.

Anyways, I would be disappointed, especially missing Ellenson, because the kid was born to play in Bo's offensive system, just a perfect fit and Bo has been on him for years.  We just went to a Final Four and are going to be a top 5 team this upcoming year. I don't know what more Bo could do for this guy other than have offered his brother, but he wasn't going to play that game.

So, I ask you, what should he have done differently?  Seriously, everyone questions his recruiting, but what should he have done?  Some past recruits you could maybe fault Bo- Matt Thomas comes to mind- but these 2 guys, especially Henry, what more do you expect Bo to do?  Bo has been recruiting Henry harder than any other coach from what I have read/heard and from the very beginning, the offense is a absolute perfect fit for him, and the program is at it's all time peak.  If that's not enough to persuade the kid, what else is he supposed to do?
"""  So if Bo is unable to lock down either one of these guys plus losing out last years big (forgot name) that doesn't speak highly of his ability to close the deal on the top recruits.""""  


Maybe you ought to ask the kid he recruited why Bo couldn't close the deal.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 12:17 PM

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BuckyNut wrote: And yes, get your head out of your back-end and be honest with yourself - Bo is not a top notch closer, he keeps a lot of in-state guys which is great but I can't remember if he's gotten any out-of-state guys that were top tier players.


First, you're probably on the ignore list for the insults, I'd guess confused

Almost every fan base would say the same thing about their coach - few coaches outside of recruiting at places like UNC, Duke, or Kansas really do well with out-of-state guys. As for OOS guys that were big recruits - people forget how highly ranked Krabbenhoft was - I believe Kansas was the biggest competition for him. Berggren and Leuer were both 4-star OOS guys. Nigel Hayes had a pretty impressive list of offers.

What if they land Sharma, the out-of-state guy, and don't land either of the 2 instate guys. Can Bo suddenly close on OOS but not in-state guys? I think the answers to most recruiting questions are whatever people want them to be...
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Posted: 7/8/2014 1:53 PM

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BuckyNut wrote: I'm really curious to know what everyone's response would be if Bo lands neither Ellenson or Stone.  From all indications everyone seems to think we're out of it for Stone and a lot of us felt Ellenson was a pretty good bet.  But now we're not so sure on Ellenson either.

I know there's been a lot of discussion about Bo's ability or inability to truly recruit.  Bo has, for the most part been able to keep the top kids in the state but I think this would be a pretty big blow to lose both of these guys.  Will we be ok?  Sure.  But I think it will still be a big knock on Bo.  Just my opinion.
Nut, by making the post in the fashion you have, you are insinuating that recruiting is everything.  Several questions - what has been Ryan's record at UW the past 10+ years?  What were the recruiting rankings of those teams?  Does coaching have anything to do with the success of a team or is it only recruiting?

By structuring your comments the way you did, I'm assuming either you are trying to get a reaction out of board members (aka Trolling) or you really lack an understanding of the relationship of recruiting, motivation, coaching, and sheer luck when it comes to the success of the team.   Which one is it?
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Posted: 7/8/2014 3:32 PM

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First off, I know there isn't much going on but do we really need to debate a 'what if' scenario?  The Douchebag army will be out in full force if he doesn't... and I'm not all that eager for that thread debacle. banghead

My take is Bo doesn't pander to some of the bigger recruits, and we know that many of the top programs do.  If you're 17 years old and think you may have an easier path with essentially the same benefits, is it surprising that they might choose the "shinier offer" or go with someone that is telling them what they want to hear?  That doesn't mean Bo is a bad closer, I'd suggest he is more principled and doesn't stroke a guy just to get him on campus.

I want the 5 star guys too, but not at the expense of the team chemistry, character, and success we've enjoyed with our other recruits.
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