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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:25 PM

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I have an open question to people who live in this great state.  Why would you not coach your children to be Badger fans?  Then to be a Badger player if they ever had the talent?  My 8 year old loves the Badgers and wants to grow up some day and be like Sam Dekker?  I was 7 or 8 years old when my Dad taught me the importance of being a Badger fan.  If I had been a talented enough to be a Badger my Dad would have died that day and gone to heaven a happy man.   Please explain and I wish that sometime on these posts I wish a parent that had children of recruiting age would explain to me how you let your child go out of the state.  I would never be happy with my child if he did not become a Badger.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:52 PM

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tmoneuy would have given his left nut for little tmoney to get a scohalrship to wisconsin!

always said that if one of tmoney's son's were ever good enough to get recruited by big time programs, tmoney would tell every coach whoi calle to stop wasting their time recruiting tmoney's son's because they would only ever go to one school and that would be wisconsin!
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:58 PM

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dcamp wrote: I spent my first 62 years in Madison, so I love the Badgers.  My three favorite teams are (1) Badger basketball, (2) the Packers, and (3) Badger football.  If I had spent those years in Milwaukee, I'd probably be a Marquette fan and Packers fan.  Now that I live in small north central Wisconsin town, I am surprised at the relative lack of interest in the Badgers.  For the most part, I can only talk Packers with people around me now.  Maybe there's a slight interest in Badger football, but virtually no interest in Badger basketball.
I have spent all of my life in west central Wisconsin and I have never been surprised about the massive support of Wisconsin Badger sports.  I will go back to the 1993 run to the 1994 Rose Bowl.  I was in Eau Claire Bars where we were throwing popcorn and insults at the fans of other teams that had the nerve to smart off about the Badgers. Last year during the Final Four run the city of Menomonie had every bar packed.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:41 PM

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If I had kids they would have no choice but to be a Badger fan. My whole family loves the Badgers, Bucks, Packers, Brewers and that will never change.  I always hated when kids around the neighborhood cheered for other teams besides the Badgers. Have some damn state pride!!! I grew up in Madison and now live in Minnesota and it makes me even more proud to be a Badger living with goofer fans.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:50 PM

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This whole state is Badger crazy. Here in Wausau The Mendota Gridiron meets annually. Lotsa red and Green and Gold of course. Not much for Marquette. The UP is 90% Packer and 60/40 MSU/Meatchicken.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:51 PM

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I would agree that I do want my kids to be Badgers and go to UW.  However, I will play devil's advocate here just to show another side since I can relate.  What ir your kid grows up a Badger fan bc they live in the area, but also are wicked smart or have the luxury to be good at sports and have other future interests in academics.  

UW is a wonderful school but there are other programs that have specific degrees that are specialties or other incentives like location (remember there are some kids that want to get away from where they are at). If my son was really good (think about that, just how "good" you have to be today, its exceptional for D1 players (<1%???maybe),  (FB&BB) and could get a paid schollie to UW fantastic, I'm sure if he agreed it would be a done deal.  However, what if he really wanted to study at Stanford?  Or he really liked another program, not all folks in WI are from here and don't just UW blood, I know WTF!  Right!  :)  

In the situation I know of, it was about playing time at a BCS school D1 vs. mid-major D1 school.  He wanted to play right away, is what he told me, bc he just loved the game.  That is truly a question, wondered about.  However, it was the right choice for him.  Got to play early and would have likely not played until his Senior year at the other school.  He enjoyed the whole experience and it was never about being drafted or any "lime light", he just wanted to practice, play and enjoy the great college experience.  He knew it wasn't about the exposure or anything like that for him.  He started 3 years in college and got on the court enough his Fr year.  Again, not all games were on CBS but enough were on TV to watch. Plus it set him up for the education he desired.  Can't fault a man for getting what he wants in life.

Sorry to rant on...my 2 cents.

Ah, just enjoy the awesome ride we are on Badger fans, its good to be a Badger!
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Posted: 7/1/2014 9:48 PM

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The grass is always greener....?
Familiarity breeds..... ??
The kid is a meal ticket to someone?
Parents came from another State with more allegiance to that place?
Who knows?
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:18 PM

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I would never be happy with my child if he did not become a Badger.

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This may be the saddest thing I've read in a long time.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:29 PM

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What I'm seeing is that some people don't understand (or refuse to acknowledge) that others may not think the same things or the same way that they do, and thus are unwilling to acknowledge that the different actions taken by others in the same situation are just as valid as they actions they would take.

Gee, that doesn't sound like a broadly applicable lesson to learn about the human race, or one that has caused a lot more conflict than is necessary.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:31 PM

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You would be a crappy parent if you pressured your kids to do what you would have wanted for yourself, rather than encourage them to make their own independent decisions and to seek paths that would allow them to be true to themselves.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:34 PM

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I mean how many folks on here did what they wanted verus what their parents or peers "wanted".  Hell, if you don't figure out to go your own way and be happy with it. Than, you are just F'n you're self in the end.  Period.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:06 PM

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RichInBunlyGoodness wrote: You would be a crappy parent if you pressured your kids to do what you would have wanted for yourself, rather than encourage them to make their own independent decisions and to seek paths that would allow them to be true to themselves.
Yep- I will also say the player ultimately has the final decision, and teenagers like to rebel, especially if you consistently try to force your own agenda down their throat.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:24 PM

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badgerbirtz wrote: I have an open question to people who live in this great state.  Why would you not coach your children to be Badger fans?  Then to be a Badger player if they ever had the talent?  My 8 year old loves the Badgers and wants to grow up some day and be like Sam Dekker?  I was 7 or 8 years old when my Dad taught me the importance of being a Badger fan.  If I had been a talented enough to be a Badger my Dad would have died that day and gone to heaven a happy man.   Please explain and I wish that sometime on these posts I wish a parent that had children of recruiting age would explain to me how you let your child go out of the state.  I would never be happy with my child if he did not become a Badger.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:33 AM

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BigEddySprings wrote: This whole state is Badger crazy. Here in Wausau The Mendota Gridiron meets annually. Lotsa red and Green and Gold of course. Not much for Marquette. The UP is 90% Packer and 60/40 MSU/Meatchicken.
Dear BigEddy: Say what? The whole state is Badger crazy? Because a support group meets once a year (I've been to a couple MA meetings there) with maybe 60-100 attendees? Read the poster above- you'd have to look long and hard to have much of a discussion with someone about Badger football or basketball, unless you went to one of those meetings. Final four or football playoff, sure. But otherwise?

We just had some friends over from central Wisconsin. They know I am a Badger fan and asked how I expected them to do this year. I mentioned that we started with LSU, and with Alabama next year. He was surprised- he didn't even know that much. Then he quicky turned the topic to the Packers, and said he was exciting about them and whom they drafted. It happens all the time.

Look at your last sentence. The UP is 90% Packer and 60/40 MSU/Meatchicken. 90% Packers, not Badgers. Where are the Badger fans in your percentages? Where are the Detroit Lion fans?

Can't we see the culture difference. Think of the state of Michigan sports and you think of Uof M and MSU. Think of the state of Wisconsin, and its immediately Packers. And like it or not, that imbalance here certainly has to contribute to some difficulties in recruiting. If there were such a thing as recruiting for the Packers, all the parents would have their kids lined up.

Simple answer to the OP: This is a Packer state, and not a Badger crazy state, by any stretch.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:21 AM

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More of the same whining, from the head whiner.  If the Badger sports had been as successful as the Packers over the last 50 years and had they had the TV coverage it might rival them today. That's pretty simplistic, there are other mitigating factors (the band isn't one of them, the Pack doesn't have a band).  But it hasn't. It will take a while.

Not everyone in Wisconsin follows college sports. Not in PA or Ohio either. There are a lot of Pennsylvania Steeler fans who can't care less about Pitt OR PSU football. There are a lot that don't care about football at all but are diehard Phillie fans. And some that even go out of state and root for the Red Sox. Wisconsin is no different.

Pro football has marketed it's sport for over a half a century and some of those teams like the Packers have been very successful doing the same. During the dark ages of Badger football, lil' Green Bay became "America's Team" for Wisconsin residents. It doesn't happen over night unless there is a void.

BTW, for some, Wisconsin isn't the only college to send their kids to. For some kids, it, too, is not the only destination they dream of. Hell, some parents are just happy the kids go to college and it doesn't matter where.

Curious, travrest, how you can use the Detroit Lions in your comparisons. A team and organization that has clowned around for MOST of the last 50 years.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:40 AM

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travrest wrote:
BigEddySprings wrote: This whole state is Badger crazy. Here in Wausau The Mendota Gridiron meets annually. Lotsa red and Green and Gold of course. Not much for Marquette. The UP is 90% Packer and 60/40 MSU/Meatchicken.
Dear BigEddy: Say what? The whole state is Badger crazy? Because a support group meets once a year (I've been to a couple MA meetings there) with maybe 60-100 attendees? Read the poster above- you'd have to look long and hard to have much of a discussion with someone about Badger football or basketball, unless you went to one of those meetings. Final four or football playoff, sure. But otherwise?

We just had some friends over from central Wisconsin. They know I am a Badger fan and asked how I expected them to do this year. I mentioned that we started with LSU, and with Alabama next year. He was surprised- he didn't even know that much. Then he quicky turned the topic to the Packers, and said he was exciting about them and whom they drafted. It happens all the time.

Look at your last sentence. The UP is 90% Packer and 60/40 MSU/Meatchicken. 90% Packers, not Badgers. Where are the Badger fans in your percentages? Where are the Detroit Lion fans?

Can't we see the culture difference. Think of the state of Michigan sports and you think of Uof M and MSU. Think of the state of Wisconsin, and its immediately Packers. And like it or not, that imbalance here certainly has to contribute to some difficulties in recruiting. If there were such a thing as recruiting for the Packers, all the parents would have their kids lined up.

Simple answer to the OP: This is a Packer state, and not a Badger crazy state, by any stretch.
This is just an observation. The UP was thrown in for contrast.
There is no scientific way to break it down try as you may.
The Packers are always going to be huge here. 
The Badgers are very strong throughout the State. I never said it was more popular than the GBP! 
I travel the whole Northern tier of counties in the State, and have for many years. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the popularity of the Badgers. I don't know why you are being obtuse.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:44 AM

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And yet, Wisconsin's Athletic Department was able to raise the most money in donations last year of any program in the nation? How'd they do that if their support around the state is so weak (and with a band which sucks)? For a small state, Wisconsin more than pulls it's weight with the locals. Ask Minnesota about that, or Illinois, or Iowa, or countless other athletic programs around the nation.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:18 AM

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I can offer a slightly different viewpoint... I moved around a bit as a kid, but lived 7 years in Champaign. The majority of my family lived in central Illinois at that point. And both my parents, both sets of grandparents, and many aunts and uncles all went to Illinois. My dad had both basketball and football season tickets the entire 7 years we lived there, and he took me to every game. Obviously I was a huge Illini fan back then.

Years later, the time came to choose a college. Now granted, I hadn't lived in central Illinois since 6th grade at that point, and actually did live in Kenosha as a senior in HS, but the fact remains that my formative years were spent in Illinois and my family are rabid about their Illini. But I visited different campuses, realized the opportunities and differences of each university for me in different ways, and chose UW ahead of UI, Michigan, Notre dame, NW, Colorado, and Cal. Sometimes that's just the way it works. And my dad and the rest of the family was nothing but supportive.

And I'm no turncoat--I am still a die hard Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks, and (sadly) Cubs fan. But choosing a college is different than choosing a pro sports team, obviously. If/when I have kids, I'll do my best to make sure they're die hard Badgers. But when the time comes for them to really start off on their own, if they want to go elsewhere, never in a million years would I disapprove or be "disappointed in them". Time for them to become their own person at that point.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:43 AM

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CloudsOfDust wrote:

...But choosing a college is different than choosing a pro sports team, obviously.
That's really it in a nutshell. I'm a huge Badger fan. I grew up in Wisconsin & was a fan as a kid - and ended up at UW for school, but it was the best fit for me. Nothing wrong with fandom being a factor in college choice - but there are many other things that should weigh more heavily.

College choice should be about preparing you for your future/career.

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:25 PM

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BadassBucky wrote: I would agree that I do want my kids to be Badgers and go to UW.  However, I will play devil's advocate here just to show another side since I can relate.  What ir your kid grows up a Badger fan bc they live in the area, but also are wicked smart or have the luxury to be good at sports and have other future interests in academics.  

UW is a wonderful school but there are other programs that have specific degrees that are specialties or other incentives like location (remember there are some kids that want to get away from where they are at). If my son was really good (think about that, just how "good" you have to be today, its exceptional for D1 players (<1%???maybe),  (FB&BB) and could get a paid schollie to UW fantastic, I'm sure if he agreed it would be a done deal.  However, what if he really wanted to study at Stanford?  Or he really liked another program, not all folks in WI are from here and don't just UW blood, I know WTF!  Right!  :)  

In the situation I know of, it was about playing time at a BCS school D1 vs. mid-major D1 school.  He wanted to play right away, is what he told me, bc he just loved the game.  That is truly a question, wondered about.  However, it was the right choice for him.  Got to play early and would have likely not played until his Senior year at the other school.  He enjoyed the whole experience and it was never about being drafted or any "lime light", he just wanted to practice, play and enjoy the great college experience.  He knew it wasn't about the exposure or anything like that for him.  He started 3 years in college and got on the court enough his Fr year.  Again, not all games were on CBS but enough were on TV to watch. Plus it set him up for the education he desired.  Can't fault a man for getting what he wants in life.

Sorry to rant on...my 2 cents.

Ah, just enjoy the awesome ride we are on Badger fans, its good to be a Badger!
Not a rant Badass, you made some good valid points and so don't be shy about contributing in posts in the future.  However, another view not included in those you have given is that of wanting to be a winner and all the top universities in the nation's states are not traditional winners!  Another reason  unfortunately sought by too many of the best players in each state IMO, is for the unholy $.  For those people, going to the most prestigious basketball schools instead of their home state school is to win and more importantly to gain the recognition (conferred to the limelight elite basketball schools)  that transfers to the dollar$ of professional basketball.  Sure, most of the players in elite basketball schools do not realize their dreams of riches, but IMO that is what tips them in selecting those elite schools to play their D1 ball.eek

This post of mine is pointed to giving my opinion of why the best of the best basketball players in each state decide to leave their own state if it is not home to an elite basketball university.  We badgers have seen the loss of these type players too many times with the latest being Looney and Tokoto.  Now currently we have top ranked players in Stone and Ellenson that we worry about leaving.  Hopefully, like Dekker they will choose wiselybiggrinand see that their dreams can come to fruition at the UW (like Finley, Devin Harris, etc.)  I realize that there are several past and present players who play or played in the NBA in addition but with perhaps the exception of Butch and a few others they were not among the highest sought/ranked coming out of high school when they made their decision of where to go to college.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:04 PM

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just think of the opportunity a kid from Wisconsin would get if he was on scholarship to Wisconsin  to play a sport.  lets say they are good but not good enough to get to the pro level no matter the sport. as a higher profile athlete at Wisconsin the opportunities that would be presented to him from businesses in the state.
the best companies would welcome a well rounded univ of wis. athlete to there businesses without a second
thought.  the kids would be set for life in a job or career if they couldn't make it to the pro level.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:56 PM

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Poorly worded last statement.  I would love for him to be a Badger if he was blessed with the talent.  I meant to say I would not be happy with the decision but I would still be happy with him.  Typing and watching TV can lead to a lack of proofreading.  The rant was a little dramatic and yes there are numerous reasons why people do not choose their state school.  I know of kids that cheer for teams just to make their father angry.  Thank goodness my son has chosen to cheer for the same teams that I do.  It gives us one more thing to do together.  Plus makes shopping easy as his wardrobe is loaded with Packer, Badger, and Brewer stuff.  Those of you that jumped my backside for that last comment.  I deserved it.  
hoopsgalore wrote:
badgerbirtz wrote: I have an open question to people who live in this great state.  Why would you not coach your children to be Badger fans?  Then to be a Badger player if they ever had the talent?  My 8 year old loves the Badgers and wants to grow up some day and be like Sam Dekker?  I was 7 or 8 years old when my Dad taught me the importance of being a Badger fan.  If I had been a talented enough to be a Badger my Dad would have died that day and gone to heaven a happy man.   Please explain and I wish that sometime on these posts I wish a parent that had children of recruiting age would explain to me how you let your child go out of the state.  I would never be happy with my child if he did not become a Badger.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:02 PM

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multimed wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote:

...But choosing a college is different than choosing a pro sports team, obviously.
That's really it in a nutshell. I'm a huge Badger fan. I grew up in Wisconsin & was a fan as a kid - and ended up at UW for school, but it was the best fit for me. Nothing wrong with fandom being a factor in college choice - but there are many other things that should weigh more heavily.

College choice should be about preparing you for your future/career.
That's the important part.  I had a full-ride offer from UW (not for athletics, I'm not that gifted in sports), but turned it down, because for my long term career I had better options (no I didn't go to MU either).  

If I had been good enough at basketball (decent player but not scholarship worthy), I would have considered MU (grew up watching them to the point of sitting on the floor in the old gym as a kid and watching practices) out of loyalty/fandom…but honestly likely would have went elsewhere especially if it was a better fit for me and the potential career.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:44 AM

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I fixed your post to make it more accurate.  Just blank out Wisconsin and insert a bunch of other school names there if you please.  It's all the same.  Do you have any idea how many opportunities a graduating athlete from Minnesota has?  Michigan?  Even MAC schools or tons of others.  Once you graduate from college, nobody cares where you grew up.  We live in a mobile society.  There are lots of great opportunities out there.
vuke84 wrote:

just think of the opportunity a kid from Wisconsin would get if he was on scholarship to XXXXXXX  to play a sport.  lets say they are good but not good enough to get to the pro level no matter the sport. as a higher profile athlete at XXXXXXX the opportunities that would be presented to him from businesses in the state.
the best companies would welcome a well rounded XXXXXXX athlete to there businesses without a second
thought.  the kids would be set for life in a job or career if they couldn't make it to the pro level.


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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:34 AM

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I fixed your post to make it more accurate.  Just blank out Wisconsin and insert a bunch of other school names there if you please.  It's all the same.  Do you have any idea how many opportunities a graduating athlete from Minnesota has?  Michigan?  Even MAC schools or tons of others.  Once you graduate from college, nobody cares where you grew up.  We live in a mobile society.  There are lots of great opportunities out there.
vuke84 wrote: just think of the opportunity a kid from Wisconsin would get if he was on scholarship to XXXXXXX  to play a sport.  lets say they are good but not good enough to get to the pro level no matter the sport. as a higher profile athlete at XXXXXXX the opportunities that would be presented to him from businesses in the state.
the best companies would welcome a well rounded XXXXXXX athlete to there businesses without a second
thought.  the kids would be set for life in a job or career if they couldn't make it to the pro level.



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One other edit would be to take out reference to the player being from the same state that he attends school in somehow triggering those opportunities. Are Ben Brusts' opportunities to get hired in Wisconsin so ehow diminished because he played a key role on the final four team but isn't from in state?
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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:41 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote: More of the same whining, from the head whiner.  If the Badger sports had been as successful as the Packers over the last 50 years and had they had the TV coverage it might rival them today. That's pretty simplistic, there are other mitigating factors (the band isn't one of them, the Pack doesn't have a band).  But it hasn't. It will take a while.

Not everyone in Wisconsin follows college sports. Not in PA or Ohio either. There are a lot of Pennsylvania Steeler fans who can't care less about Pitt OR PSU football. There are a lot that don't care about football at all but are diehard Phillie fans. And some that even go out of state and root for the Red Sox. Wisconsin is no different.

Pro football has marketed it's sport for over a half a century and some of those teams like the Packers have been very successful doing the same. During the dark ages of Badger football, lil' Green Bay became "America's Team" for Wisconsin residents. It doesn't happen over night unless there is a void.

BTW, for some, Wisconsin isn't the only college to send their kids to. For some kids, it, too, is not the only destination they dream of. Hell, some parents are just happy the kids go to college and it doesn't matter where.

Curious, travrest, how you can use the Detroit Lions in your comparisons. A team and organization that has clowned around for MOST of the last 50 years.
I can't argue with you on much that you say. The Packers were successful in the 60s when the Badgers were not, and at the time when TVs became commonplace. Thus, it has been Packer mania that has decended through the generations in many households. Couple that with having one of the NFL's best QBs for the last 20 years, and we get what we have. I get it. That's all in the history books.

But my point is this: such a sitution does indeed hurt UW's major sports, and perhaps recruiting. Don't you think that our AD would trade our season ticket sales for GB's waiting list? Don't you think that if families all across the state would pay as much attention to the Badgers (either sport) as they do to the Packers, it would be more of a"no brainer" where in-state kids would go to school to play basletball and football? As it is now, we have to actively recruit them in our own backyard, because the inbred interest just isn't always there.

Likewise, how do you think the Brewers feel if and when they are about to make the playoffs in August and September, and then the Packers start up and attract  the majority of interest? Eyeballs suddenly shift from a playoff baseball team to an exibition football game. I bet I know who the Brewer's brass are rooting for each Sunday.

Odds are that in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania, the local kids would stand in line to play for their home state school. 
Odds are not that good here. Our basketball recruiting proves that local kids don't bleed as much cardinal and white as we would wish.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 7:01 PM

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travrest wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote: More of the same whining, from the head whiner.  If the Badger sports had been as successful as the Packers over the last 50 years and had they had the TV coverage it might rival them today. That's pretty simplistic, there are other mitigating factors (the band isn't one of them, the Pack doesn't have a band).  But it hasn't. It will take a while.

Not everyone in Wisconsin follows college sports. Not in PA or Ohio either. There are a lot of Pennsylvania Steeler fans who can't care less about Pitt OR PSU football. There are a lot that don't care about football at all but are diehard Phillie fans. And some that even go out of state and root for the Red Sox. Wisconsin is no different.

Pro football has marketed it's sport for over a half a century and some of those teams like the Packers have been very successful doing the same. During the dark ages of Badger football, lil' Green Bay became "America's Team" for Wisconsin residents. It doesn't happen over night unless there is a void.

BTW, for some, Wisconsin isn't the only college to send their kids to. For some kids, it, too, is not the only destination they dream of. Hell, some parents are just happy the kids go to college and it doesn't matter where.

Curious, travrest, how you can use the Detroit Lions in your comparisons. A team and organization that has clowned around for MOST of the last 50 years.
I can't argue with you on much that you say. The Packers were successful in the 60s when the Badgers were not, and at the time when TVs became commonplace. Thus, it has been Packer mania that has decended through the generations in many households. Couple that with having one of the NFL's best QBs for the last 20 years, and we get what we have. I get it. That's all in the history books.

But my point is this: such a sitution does indeed hurt UW's major sports, and perhaps recruiting. Don't you think that our AD would trade our season ticket sales for GB's waiting list? Don't you think that if families all across the state would pay as much attention to the Badgers (either sport) as they do to the Packers, it would be more of a"no brainer" where in-state kids would go to school to play basletball and football? As it is now, we have to actively recruit them in our own backyard, because the inbred interest just isn't always there.

Likewise, how do you think the Brewers feel if and when they are about to make the playoffs in August and September, and then the Packers start up and attract  the majority of interest? Eyeballs suddenly shift from a playoff baseball team to an exibition football game. I bet I know who the Brewer's brass are rooting for each Sunday.

Odds are that in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania, the local kids would stand in line to play for their home state school. 
Odds are not that good here. Our basketball recruiting proves that local kids don't bleed as much cardinal and white as we would wish.
You are crazy if you think kids don't first think of coming to Wisconsin before others. But that doesn't ensure them coming to Madison. It's a competitive market. We aren't losing recruits in football or basketball to rinky-dink schools. We are losing them to good schools and good programs that have as good or better opportunities than what Wisconsin can offer. Some might say it is stupid to stay out of loyalty when going elsewhere might be better for your future.

As to what happens in Milwaukee in September and October, it seems that the team attendance wise has done reasonably well with the team it has fielded. With a good team in the hunt, it draws 3 mill. In not so good years 2.5. You wanna bet that the Brewers draw 3 mill this year?

If you don't know the difference between Ohio-Tosu, Michigan-UM and us you never will. We may one day get there but we're not there yet. Bad years set us back. Tosu and UM have decades of success (just like the Pack) to draw from.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 7:34 PM

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Ok I'll post this here instead of the Ellenson thread that has (again) turned to complete garbage.

Wisconsin has a lot to offer, both academically and athletically, but Wisconsin (both the school and the athletic programs) does not tolerate special treatment without proving it. Academically, Wisconsin does not offer many merit scholarships even compared to schools in the B1G, but tuition is relatively affordable for everyone. This might work to get good (and even great) students, but excellent students might get full rides at private schools or offers at Ivy League schools. No shame in picking either over Wisconsin.

In the case of both Stone and Ellenson, both are looking for something Wisconsin simply cannot give them. Stone wants to play with Malik Newman, who does not want to come here (or probably can't get in here). Other schools can offer package deals, and if Stone really wants to be a part of a "package deal" at Kentucky or UCLA, there isn't much Bucky can do. We can have A+ facilities and win multiple national championships, but if Stone wants to play with Newman and Newman can't get in here, the other things don't matter. Even without being in a "package deal", Stone can go to any school in the country and if he wants warmer weather (like Looney and UCLA), he can have that too.

Ellenson is another story. That family is really close and did not like it when Bo did not offer Wally. If Henry attends Marquette, it's not the first time the Ellenson family has successfully held programs hostage for their family's benefit. It happened at the high school and AAU level, it happened at Minnesota, and now it's happening to us. Not a real surprise, tbh.  Just because there's a 6'10" stud growing up in Northwest Wisconsin doesn't automatically mean he'll be a Badger.  If he wants to play with his brother, so be it.  Bo won't lose sleep over that choice.

Bo is very particular and demanding for the type of players he wants in his program. His ideal recruit might have played three varsity sports, obtained a semester’s worth of college credits before stepping on campus, and be willing to work from day one without assuming any playing time or "package deals". He is very tough on his stars, especially his point guards. For kids not used to that (and most star performers in any field are not coming out of high school), that is an ego deflating situation they would rather not have, especially if they have avoided such situations in the past. To be fair, the jump from high school to Division I is so immense that even stars in high schools will have to work much harder to do well as freshmen. It is very tough to do well in school and in athletics and stay out of trouble. Most top athletes cannot do all three at once, and the ones that do can go anywhere in the country. Instead, we get players that fit Bo’s criteria, but might be top 250 recruits instead of top 10. The same is true in football.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 8:03 PM

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toshimelonhead wrote: Ok I'll post this here instead of the Ellenson thread that has (again) turned to complete garbage.

Wisconsin has a lot to offer, both academically and athletically, but Wisconsin (both the school and the athletic programs) does not tolerate special treatment without proving it. Academically, Wisconsin does not offer many merit scholarships even compared to schools in the B1G, but tuition is relatively affordable for everyone. This might work to get good (and even great) students, but excellent students might get full rides at private schools or offers at Ivy League schools. No shame in picking either over Wisconsin.

In the case of both Stone and Ellenson, both are looking for something Wisconsin simply cannot give them. Stone wants to play with Malik Newman, who does not want to come here (or probably can't get in here). Other schools can offer package deals, and if Stone really wants to be a part of a "package deal" at Kentucky or UCLA, there isn't much Bucky can do. We can have A+ facilities and win multiple national championships, but if Stone wants to play with Newman and Newman can't get in here, the other things don't matter. Even without being in a "package deal", Stone can go to any school in the country and if he wants warmer weather (like Looney and UCLA), he can have that too.

Ellenson is another story. That family is really close and did not like it when Bo did not offer Wally. If Henry attends Marquette, it's not the first time the Ellenson family has successfully held programs hostage for their family's benefit. It happened at the high school and AAU level, it happened at Minnesota, and now it's happening to us. Not a real surprise, tbh.  Just because there's a 6'10" stud growing up in Northwest Wisconsin doesn't automatically mean he'll be a Badger.  If he wants to play with his brother, so be it.  Bo won't lose sleep over that choice.

Bo is very particular and demanding for the type of players he wants in his program. His ideal recruit might have played three varsity sports, obtained a semester’s worth of college credits before stepping on campus, and be willing to work from day one without assuming any playing time or "package deals". He is very tough on his stars, especially his point guards. For kids not used to that (and most star performers in any field are not coming out of high school), that is an ego deflating situation they would rather not have, especially if they have avoided such situations in the past. To be fair, the jump from high school to Division I is so immense that even stars in high schools will have to work much harder to do well as freshmen. It is very tough to do well in school and in athletics and stay out of trouble. Most top athletes cannot do all three at once, and the ones that do can go anywhere in the country. Instead, we get players that fit Bo’s criteria, but might be top 250 recruits instead of top 10. The same is true in football.
This may be true but who did you hear this from?
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Posted: 7/5/2014 8:43 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
toshimelonhead wrote: Ok I'll post this here instead of the Ellenson thread that has (again) turned to complete garbage.

Wisconsin has a lot to offer, both academically and athletically, but Wisconsin (both the school and the athletic programs) does not tolerate special treatment without proving it. Academically, Wisconsin does not offer many merit scholarships even compared to schools in the B1G, but tuition is relatively affordable for everyone. This might work to get good (and even great) students, but excellent students might get full rides at private schools or offers at Ivy League schools. No shame in picking either over Wisconsin.

In the case of both Stone and Ellenson, both are looking for something Wisconsin simply cannot give them. Stone wants to play with Malik Newman, who does not want to come here (or probably can't get in here). Other schools can offer package deals, and if Stone really wants to be a part of a "package deal" at Kentucky or UCLA, there isn't much Bucky can do. We can have A+ facilities and win multiple national championships, but if Stone wants to play with Newman and Newman can't get in here, the other things don't matter. Even without being in a "package deal", Stone can go to any school in the country and if he wants warmer weather (like Looney and UCLA), he can have that too.

Ellenson is another story. That family is really close and did not like it when Bo did not offer Wally. If Henry attends Marquette, it's not the first time the Ellenson family has successfully held programs hostage for their family's benefit. It happened at the high school and AAU level, it happened at Minnesota, and now it's happening to us. Not a real surprise, tbh.  Just because there's a 6'10" stud growing up in Northwest Wisconsin doesn't automatically mean he'll be a Badger.  If he wants to play with his brother, so be it.  Bo won't lose sleep over that choice.

Bo is very particular and demanding for the type of players he wants in his program. His ideal recruit might have played three varsity sports, obtained a semester’s worth of college credits before stepping on campus, and be willing to work from day one without assuming any playing time or "package deals". He is very tough on his stars, especially his point guards. For kids not used to that (and most star performers in any field are not coming out of high school), that is an ego deflating situation they would rather not have, especially if they have avoided such situations in the past. To be fair, the jump from high school to Division I is so immense that even stars in high schools will have to work much harder to do well as freshmen. It is very tough to do well in school and in athletics and stay out of trouble. Most top athletes cannot do all three at once, and the ones that do can go anywhere in the country. Instead, we get players that fit Bo’s criteria, but might be top 250 recruits instead of top 10. The same is true in football.
This may be true but who did you hear this from?
I did not hear it from anyone - I just connected the dots together.  They have played the "start all three of our kids or we will transfer high schools" card before.

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