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POST DRAFT ANALYSIS

Posted: 6/27/2014 11:29 AM

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Now that the 2014 NBA DRAFT is complete.  Where would Big Frank have landed had he decided to leave early??  Keep in mind an injured, pot smoking Sophomore who played in only 8 games went #21..
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:01 PM

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Probably somewhere after 40. Not impossible that a team could've fallen in love with him and taken him a little earlier though.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:02 PM

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Interesting question.  I would have taken him at 21 instead of McGary but if you consider McGary capable of playing PF in the NBA as he is listed and if that is what the Thunder drafted him as then Frank probably would not have gone there.  The next true center in the draft didn't go until 43 so it may have been there.  I have to believe that he would have went ahead of Brown at 50 given that I believe Brown is still glued to the floor somewhere waiting for Frank to make his next scoring move from the post.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:53 PM

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mid 2nd round.  A team would take a flyer on him as a polished offensive scorer at that height, though concerns about athleticism and ability to rebound would keep him well out of the 1st round IMHO.

As for pot smoking, most of the players in the NBA (and hence most of the 1st round picks last night) all smoke pot.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:54 PM

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That is a good range and a BIG RANGE it is.  Number 21 gets you guaranteed money on a VERY good team.  Number 50 gets NO guaranteed money and probably time in Europe.  Interesting to see what Oklahoma has for immediate needs and would Big Frank gone ahead of Michigan's McWeed...  The only guarantee is there are NO GUARANTEEs.   

McGary, at 6-foot-10 and 255-pounds, averaged 9.5 points and 8.3 rebounds last season, but he played just eight games after electing to have back surgery. He tested positive for marijuana last season and faced a suspension, so he left after his sophomore year.

Oklahoma City might be looking toward the future at the power forward and center spots. Starting center Kendrick Perkins is entering the last year of his deal, and Steven Adams appears to be the future at the position. Reserve power forward Nick Collison also is entering the last year of his contract.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 1:07 PM

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OKC probably picked McGary because if he's 100% healthy he's a steal at that spot and a perfect fit for their roster as a big body that can dominate the glass and contribute on offense without needing plays run for him.  They can use him to set a lot of screens for Durant and Westbrook.  On defense he isn't elite but he's a great defensive rebounder and a fantastic outlet passer that can help ignite the Thunder's fast break.

The 2nd half of the 1st round rarely provides a player that can play a quality 15-20 minutes per game as a rookie off the bench for a playoff team.  McGary has the capability of doing that if healthy which is probably why they took a stab at him.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  I hope it does because he's a great person and I will root for him to have a long and successful career.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:55 PM

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McGary's ceiling is more limited than Frank's IMO.  I think the ONLY reason McGary went to OKC is because OKC is wanting to win NOW and McGary is 24 years old and you don't have to wait on him to mature.  I think most of the analysts really thought OKC reached on that pick.  Why take McGary at 21 when you could have had him after pick 30?

That's true of most picks after the lottery.  It's teams that are trying to fit needs now where the first 15 picks are for possible future stars.


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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:04 PM

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Activebadger wrote: McGary's ceiling is more limited than Frank's IMO.  I think the ONLY reason McGary went to OKC is because OKC is wanting to win NOW and McGary is 24 years old and you don't have to wait on him to mature.  I think most of the analysts really thought OKC reached on that pick.  Why take McGary at 21 when you could have had him after pick 30?

That's true of most picks after the lottery.  It's teams that are trying to fit needs now where the first 15 picks are for possible future stars.

McGary is 24?  He just turned 22 this month.  He also had apparently had at least 1 other team in the 20s that was going to take him if OKC didn't so he wasn't falling to the 2nd round.

Also, not sure how McGary's ceiling is limited below Kaminsky.  McGary's ceiling is leading the NBA in rebounding while chipping in 15+ ppg and plenty of blocks and steals and assists.  He was dominant in college albeit in limited playing time, though he did perform against elite competition in that limited time.


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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:54 PM

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Gary Parrish has Frank listed as a lottery pick in 15

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/245 98918/predicting-2015-nba-draft-lottery-look-for-m ore-freshmen
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:37 PM

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Yeah, I'd say McGary has a higher ceiling than Frank just because he moves so much better. That'll limit Frank at the next level. No glaring holes in McGary's game but he's gotta stay in one piece.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 5:25 PM

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panama74 wrote: Yeah, I'd say McGary has a higher ceiling than Frank just because he moves so much better. That'll limit Frank at the next level. No glaring holes in McGary's game but he's gotta stay in one piece.
I disagree.   McGary does not shoot all that well, especially from 3.  Length will be an issue for him in the pros.   McGary does hustle, so perhaps he might be the next David Cowens, although I doubt it.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:18 PM

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Mcgary can easily be seen as an nba starter. Frank, not so much.

Frank will have a long career as a stretch 4 off the bench.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:40 PM

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McGary's ceiling is similar to NBA great Paul Mokeski.
 
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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:45 PM

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gus4badger wrote:
panama74 wrote: Yeah, I'd say McGary has a higher ceiling than Frank just because he moves so much better. That'll limit Frank at the next level. No glaring holes in McGary's game but he's gotta stay in one piece.
I disagree.   McGary does not shoot all that well, especially from 3.  Length will be an issue for him in the pros.   McGary does hustle, so perhaps he might be the next David Cowens, although I doubt it.
Does McGary know the McHale? Better study.

Frank's NBA potential has another year to reveal itself, but he can already put the ball on the floor and shoot from three. He will never be a low post guy by NBA standards, but that's good for Frank and bad for McGary, because there is a lot of length in the NBA. 

All that being said, I've really liked watching McGary play. He's just a bit of a tweener who will have an adjustment period.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:15 PM

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If Alec Brown goes 2nd round,(which is ridiculous) FK should've gone late first or early 2nd. FK would run circles around Brown right now.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:31 PM

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Brown is a better shooter than Frank and every other draft-eligible big man. Not hard to see why a team would take a flier on a 7'1" guy that can shoot that well.

Frank is a much better college player but as an NBA prospect, the gap isn't that big.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:33 PM

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Obvious troll is obvious.


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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:46 PM

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Huh, are the drugs kicking in or wearing off ?

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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:54 PM

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Oh. Didn't realize you knew nothing about the NBA.

You think his ceiling is a career average of 14 mpg, 4 points, and 3.5 board?



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Posted: 6/27/2014 9:03 PM

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spdude wrote:
Huh, are the drugs kicking in or wearing off ?

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Posted: 6/27/2014 9:14 PM

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I doesn't take any sort of expert to know his ceiling isn't Mokeski.

Care to actually address his position?

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spdude wrote:
Huh, are the drugs kicking in or wearing off ?

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Posted: 6/27/2014 9:22 PM

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McGary averaged only 8 points a game in college. You think that will increase in the NBA? Besides that he has a bad back. He's an undersized center and an unskilled forward.

Mokeski had a 14 year NBA career.

McGary would be happy having Mokeski's career. And you're the reputed NBA board guru.....

Do your homework!!!!!!
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I doesn't take any sort of expert to know his ceiling isn't Mokeski.

Care to actually address his position?

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spdude wrote:
Huh, are the drugs kicking in or wearing off ?

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Obvious troll is obvious.


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McGary's ceiling is similar to NBA great Paul Mokeski.

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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:29 PM

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Skanner exposed

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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:51 AM

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He played one year essentially. In that year his role grew. Just like we saw with Frank. Just like saw with Nigel. You are talking about a player who averaged less than twenty minutes his first year. Additionally, he wasn't given a ton of shots, but no matter how many he took he was effective, .598 fg. McGary is not a great athlete but he can get up the court. He hustles. He is going to the nba where they run.

It doesn't have to increase to beat 4 a game. And just breathing on the court he will grab more than 3.5 boards a game. That is the reason he was drafted. To grab boards.

Mo played 12 years. And I'm sure Mcgary would be happy to play 12.

The fact is not that he could have a similar career, but that you think his ceiling is that. If any GM thought the way you did he wouldn't have been a first rounder. He is ceiling is a double double.

Btw, I never proclaimed myself anything.

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McGary averaged only 8 points a game in college. You think that will increase in the NBA? Besides that he has a bad back. He's an undersized center and an unskilled forward.

Mokeski had a 14 year NBA career.

McGary would be happy having Mokeski's career. And you're the reputed NBA board guru.....

Do your homework!!!!!!
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I doesn't take any sort of expert to know his ceiling isn't Mokeski.

Care to actually address his position?

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spdude wrote:
Huh, are the drugs kicking in or wearing off ?

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McGary's ceiling is similar to NBA great Paul Mokeski.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:54 AM

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How?

He was wrong on mokeski's career.

You think mcGary's ceiling is 4 and 3.5?


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Posted: 6/28/2014 1:14 AM

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spdude wrote: McGary averaged only 8 points a game in college. You think that will increase in the NBA?
You really want me to find all the guys that scored more in the NBA than in their freshman year of college?  That's hardly unlikely.  Ridiculous considering we're talking about his CEILING.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:22 AM

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McGary is an unknown as far as the NBA goes. Not even going to touch any speculation on how he projects in the league. I think Vonleh might have the highest ceiling of the B1G guys picked. I like Stauskas with the Kings...very nice compliment to Cousins and will be a plus in the backcourt.

How about Wiggins with Cleveland? Three outstanding backcourt guys and they are loaded with future draft picks and guys stashed away. They could get good fast. Parker for the Bucks? Very solid pick. Embiid? Exum? Should be interesting how they turn out....
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:54 AM

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SkannerDan wrote: He played one year essentially. In that year his role grew. Just like we saw with Frank. Just like saw with Nigel. You are talking about a player who averaged less than twenty minutes his first year. Additionally, he wasn't given a ton of shots, but no matter how many he took he was effective, .598 fg. McGary is not a great athlete but he can get up the court. He hustles. He is going to the nba where they run.

Tyler Hansbrough without the skill/scoring ability.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:00 AM

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This may be the worst thread I have ever read at this site.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 9:30 AM

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cameraguy wrote: McGary is an unknown as far as the NBA goes. Not even going to touch any speculation on how he projects in the league. I think Vonleh might have the highest ceiling of the B1G guys picked. I like Stauskas with the Kings...very nice compliment to Cousins and will be a plus in the backcourt.

How about Wiggins with Cleveland? Three outstanding backcourt guys and they are loaded with future draft picks and guys stashed away. They could get good fast. Parker for the Bucks? Very solid pick. Embiid? Exum? Should be interesting how they turn out....
Read today that Embiid might miss the whole season. Philly can tank again, get another top 5 pick and then in 2015 - 2016 start Embiid, Michael Carter Williams, Nerlens Noel, and whoever they get in the lottery next season.
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