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2014-2015 Position Rankings: 3 Badgers in top 10

Posted: 6/21/2014 7:31 AM

2014-2015 Position Rankings: 3 Badgers in top 10 


I saw this on Sporting News dot com.

C- Frank Kaminsky #2
SF- Sam Dekker #6
PF- Nigel Hayes #8

Pretty impressive. Okafor is ranked #1 and Frank #2 at the Center spot. Justice Winslow #5 and Sam Dekker #6 as Small Forward. Then we have Nigel. As far as lists go, Wisconsin vs. Duke will have some great matchups!

I'm really looking forward to what Nigel brings to the court next year. He could make that special leap.

I think Frank and Sam will improve quite a bit as well....a lot of motivation and both have a strong work ethic. I know these lists don't mean a lot when the season tips off but this gives a little taste of excitement about next year. One note: Sam's the 4th B1G player listed at the SF position. Impressive.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:19 AM

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The Small Forward list is really confusing.  Dawson seems much much more like a PF and LaVert is much more of a SG.  Dekker has 2 inches and 30 pounds on LaVert.    I also think Petteway is a little overrated because he is not a very good shooter (Dekker is better in every area but the FT line) and he turns it over a lot.  The four Big Ten players on the SF list are good players with a lot of strengths but I am just surprised two of them are considered SFs and I think Petteway is overrated some.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:24 AM

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Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:44 AM

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Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
So what do you consider him a wing? Nigel will play 75% of his minutes at PF this year with the other 25% at C. Height really isn't relevant to the discussion. These is a lot of speculation about potential in these lists. Hayes has the potential to be an all american - and yes he is primarily a PF at the college level!
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:54 AM

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Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
So was Charles Barkley a SF?  Nigel is listed as an inch taller than Charles and weight is similar.  Nigel is a 4 for sure.  Dejaun Blair was 6'7 and I dont think anyone questioned him being a 4.  Tractor Traylor was 6'8.  Why does Nigel need to be 6'9 to be a PF?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 9:25 AM

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Doesn't matter how tall you are, it matters where you play. Hayes will be down low. Dekker on the wing. Hence, PF vs. SF.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:15 AM

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We have a 2 year starter at PG - playing for a genius as a coach for PG's - shouldn't he be ranked?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:33 AM

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eek1eek1eek1 comment...
Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:02 AM

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Pull3 wrote: 

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:22 AM

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stlbadger wrote: We have a 2 year starter at PG - playing for a genius as a coach for PG's - shouldn't he be ranked?

Well played, but nothing good will become of this.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 12:29 PM

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I didn't see Koenig ranked either.
Maybe it's only comparing starting point guards though. tongue



stlbadger wrote: We have a 2 year starter at PG - playing for a genius as a coach for PG's - shouldn't he be ranked?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 1:21 PM

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Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
There aren't a lot of 6' 9" power forwards out there in college basketball (this isn't the NBA), except at a few schools like Kentucky.  Hayes might be half an inch shorter than your average power forward and 20 or 25 pounds heavier.  He is a strong and mobile power forward in my opinion, strong enough to do fine at center when the need arises and mobile enough to play small forward if the need were ever to arise. 

Regarding these three Badger front court players, factor in their class and all three could be an all-American as a senior.  That's a lot of front court talent, three of the best Badgers front court players all-time on one team, along with two senior guards, one being a rare four-year starter under Ryan.  Gasser could be as valuable to this year's team as the stellar front court players mentioned above.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 4:34 PM

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Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
Ummmm... what does that have to do with anything?  

FWIW, Cliff Alexander is ranked as the #3 "center" in the country (without having even enrolled in college yet), and the dude is even short than the 6'9" he's listed at.  Many say he's closer to 6'7" and he's called a "center".

Last time I checked, the NCAA didn't have height minimums to play certain positions... this isn't a roller coaster at Six Flags.  eek1

 

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Posted: 6/21/2014 4:56 PM

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Let's keep beating that dead horse!!!!!!biggrin
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Posted: 6/21/2014 6:29 PM

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We have a 2 year starter at PG - playing for a genius as a coach for PG's - shouldn't he be ranked?

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Posted: 6/21/2014 7:06 PM

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Another thread ruined by Stlbadger. For those of you scoring at home, that makes roughly 4,421 threads ruined since he joined the site.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:19 PM

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Where was Gasser? How many years has he started?


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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:21 PM

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mudcannon wrote: Another thread ruined by Stlbadger. For those of you scoring at home, that makes roughly 4,421 threads ruined since he joined the site.
I have found this Board much more tolerable since I put StlBadger on ignore - you should try it! If I want to have the level of dialogue about basketball that is provided by him I can always go hang out with my 13 year old son and his friends. The problem is that you have posters like Unknown who feel the need to quote everyone of StlBadger's posts, so you may need to put him on ignore to get the full effect.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:36 AM

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Madtowntom wrote:
mudcannon wrote: Another thread ruined by Stlbadger. For those of you scoring at home, that makes roughly 4,421 threads ruined since he joined the site.
I have found this Board much more tolerable since I put StlBadger on ignore - you should try it! If I want to have the level of dialogue about basketball that is provided by him I can always go hang out with my 13 year old son and his friends. The problem is that you have posters like Unknown who feel the need to quote everyone of StlBadger's posts, so you may need to put him on ignore to get the full effect.
I also have him on ignore. But people keep quoting his garbage.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:16 AM

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Fine, I have no problem taking anyone's opinion. By the way, kudos to dcamp, who really shows some maturity.

Madtowntom wrote: Let's keep beating that dead horse!!!!!!biggrin
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Posted: 6/22/2014 9:45 AM

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I still like enjoy your posts, Pull3.  cool  Though I knew you'd get unmercifully hammered by some on that one.

Go Badgers!  On Wisconsin!

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Posted: 6/22/2014 11:34 AM

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heh, not the best moment to say thank you. But I would say it anyway. wink
NCBadger wrote: I still like enjoy your posts, Pull3.  cool  Though I knew you'd get unmercifully hammered by some on that one.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 11:38 PM

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Bo Ryan is a master at developing PG's - would anyone dispute that? I didn't think so. TJ is entering is 3rd year as a starter at PG - again indisputable. He is lightly regarded in the preseason - again indisputable. Anyone guess why - it's easy if you're not from iowa.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 11:48 PM

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Why does the master have only one nba pg.


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Bo Ryan is a master at developing PG's - would anyone dispute that? I didn't think so. TJ is entering is 3rd year as a starter at PG - again indisputable. He is lightly regarded in the preseason - again indisputable. Anyone guess why - it's easy if you're not from iowa.

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Posted: 6/23/2014 12:12 AM

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Jackson's game blew up last year and only a complete fool would pointedly fail to acknowledge that.

3 pt pct. up by 10%.  Needed improvement but that's sick.  FT pct. up.  FT attempts way up.  Here's the real kicker-minutes up by 200.  Turnovers up by NINE.  Assists up by FIFTY TWO.

I LOVE Koenig's potential but Jackson's been a growing asset too.  Nobody saw that young man, EVER, as a point guard before his soph season.  His maturing skills and demeanor has been rapid.  He's become a solid leader on both ends of the floor.  No reason that can't continue.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 6:12 AM

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Bendbadgersteve wrote: Jackson's game blew up last year and only a complete fool would pointedly fail to acknowledge that.

3 pt pct. up by 10%.  Needed improvement but that's sick.  FT pct. up.  FT attempts way up.  Here's the real kicker-minutes up by 200.  Turnovers up by NINE.  Assists up by FIFTY TWO.

I LOVE Koenig's potential but Jackson's been a growing asset too.  Nobody saw that young man, EVER, as a point guard before his soph season.  His maturing skills and demeanor has been rapid.  He's become a solid leader on both ends of the floor.  No reason that can't continue.
Single handily cost us 4-5 games last year including a shot at playing for NC. That's OK, we get that type of shot every year. Worst PG, by far, under Bo. Ripped in in-game threads by dozens of posters not named stlbadger, mocked by home state fans. We're a much better team with BK at PG.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 6:53 AM

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stlbadger wrote:
Bendbadgersteve wrote: Jackson's game blew up last year and only a complete fool would pointedly fail to acknowledge that.

3 pt pct. up by 10%.  Needed improvement but that's sick.  FT pct. up.  FT attempts way up.  Here's the real kicker-minutes up by 200.  Turnovers up by NINE.  Assists up by FIFTY TWO.

I LOVE Koenig's potential but Jackson's been a growing asset too.  Nobody saw that young man, EVER, as a point guard before his soph season.  His maturing skills and demeanor has been rapid.  He's become a solid leader on both ends of the floor.  No reason that can't continue.
Single handily cost us 4-5 games last year including a shot at playing for NC. That's OK, we get that type of shot every year. Worst PG, by far, under Bo. Ripped in in-game threads by dozens of posters not named stlbadger, mocked by home state fans. We're a much better team with BK at PG.
Let's not turn this thread into a Koenig vs. Jackson thread. Many other threads that discuss that. Neither one is a top 10 PG in the nation in this ranking of positions :-) I don't think you'll find many pundits ranking Koenig or Jackson in the top 10 in the country at either PG or SG this year. Jackson isn't a great point guard but he will compete hard with the best in the biggest games when the challenge is there. He flat out competes hard except for a couple of inexplicable mind blanks in the middle of the court where it seems he thows most of his lazy passes. Not knocking Traevon but he does this...and I hope he improves. But he's a tough SOB and has skills that keep improving. I think Trae, Bronson and Josh are a very good 3 guard rotation. I'm hoping Showie has made serious gains and can give us some solid, high motor minutes. Could be Hill too. I think this team's strength will be the front court....an outstanding front cour!
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Posted: 6/23/2014 3:08 PM

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So, nobody else cost us games? Care to discuss games he won for us?


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Bendbadgersteve wrote: Jackson's game blew up last year and only a complete fool would pointedly fail to acknowledge that.

3 pt pct. up by 10%.  Needed improvement but that's sick.  FT pct. up.  FT attempts way up.  Here's the real kicker-minutes up by 200.  Turnovers up by NINE.  Assists up by FIFTY TWO.

I LOVE Koenig's potential but Jackson's been a growing asset too.  Nobody saw that young man, EVER, as a point guard before his soph season.  His maturing skills and demeanor has been rapid.  He's become a solid leader on both ends of the floor.  No reason that can't continue.
Single handily cost us 4-5 games last year including a shot at playing for NC. That's OK, we get that type of shot every year. Worst PG, by far, under Bo. Ripped in in-game threads by dozens of posters not named stlbadger, mocked by home state fans. We're a much better team with BK at PG.

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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:23 AM

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Of the 3 players in the OP, I think Hayes has the highest upside and is the player most likely to make a big jump in performance this next season.  His size is not the issue.  Remember he was a true freshman last season.  I would expect Frank to still be Frank but think it unreasonable to expect even bigger things from him:  maintaining the performance level he displayed last season will be quite an accomplishment.  Dekker remains a question mark for me.
dcamp wrote:
Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
There aren't a lot of 6' 9" power forwards out there in college basketball (this isn't the NBA), except at a few schools like Kentucky.  Hayes might be half an inch shorter than your average power forward and 20 or 25 pounds heavier.  He is a strong and mobile power forward in my opinion, strong enough to do fine at center when the need arises and mobile enough to play small forward if the need were ever to arise. 

Regarding these three Badger front court players, factor in their class and all three could be an all-American as a senior.  That's a lot of front court talent, three of the best Badgers front court players all-time on one team, along with two senior guards, one being a rare four-year starter under Ryan.  Gasser could be as valuable to this year's team as the stellar front court players mentioned above.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:56 AM

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TheNewRed wrote: Of the 3 players in the OP, I think Hayes has the highest upside and is the player most likely to make a big jump in performance this next season.  His size is not the issue.  Remember he was a true freshman last season.  I would expect Frank to still be Frank but think it unreasonable to expect even bigger things from him:  maintaining the performance level he displayed last season will be quite an accomplishment.  Dekker remains a question mark for me.
dcamp wrote:
Pull3 wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love Hayes. But Hayes at #8 in the country is over the top.

He is 2 inches short to be considered as a PF IMO.
There aren't a lot of 6' 9" power forwards out there in college basketball (this isn't the NBA), except at a few schools like Kentucky.  Hayes might be half an inch shorter than your average power forward and 20 or 25 pounds heavier.  He is a strong and mobile power forward in my opinion, strong enough to do fine at center when the need arises and mobile enough to play small forward if the need were ever to arise. 

Regarding these three Badger front court players, factor in their class and all three could be an all-American as a senior.  That's a lot of front court talent, three of the best Badgers front court players all-time on one team, along with two senior guards, one being a rare four-year starter under Ryan.  Gasser could be as valuable to this year's team as the stellar front court players mentioned above.
I disagree...I think Dekker still has the most upside because his potential skill set could make him and all around freak.
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