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Junior transfer visiting this weekend

Posted: 6/18/2014 1:39 PM

Junior transfer visiting this weekend 


Didn't see this one coming.

Tim Williams 6-8" forward from Samford will visit Wisconsin over the weekend. Samford most recently played Wisconsin in December 2012 during William's freshman season. He went for 11 points 4 rebounds. He will sit out a season with 2 years of eligibility remaining. Apparently he is currently visiting Dayton and Iowa.

There is no confirmation that there is an actual offer on the table yet.

Last edited 6/18/2014 2:39 PM by BigTenwatcher

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Posted: 6/18/2014 1:55 PM

Re: Juco recruit visiting this weekend 


What makes him a juco?
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:06 PM

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It would give Wisconsin a little more experience in 2015-16 a year when we are going to be very young.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:10 PM

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He had a stat line that was 17ppg 7reb 60% from the field and 75% from the FT line for the 2013-14 year.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:11 PM

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Juco?
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:22 PM

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This would be solid.  Averaged 14 and 7 as a freshman and 17 and 7 as a sophomore.  From Chicago.

http://espn.go.com/mens-colleg...37/tim-williams
 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:22 PM

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Junior not juco

Again, I've yet to hear any verification that there's an offer but New Mexico and Iowa outlets are saying he's visiting Wisconsin as well

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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:28 PM

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It would give Wisconsin a little more experience in 2015-16 a year when we are going to be very young.

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Wisconsin wouldn't be THAT young. Dekker if he stayed would be a senior, Hayes, Koenig, Brown and Hill would be juniors. But yes compared to typical Bo Ryan teams Wisconsin would be quite young
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:52 PM

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http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05 /26/report-samfords-tim-williams-asks-for-release/
" Bo Ryan doesn't specialize in either offense or defense, just excellence."
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:21 PM

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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:33 PM

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He had been recruited by Isaiah Thomas at Fl Intl, then decided on Sampson when Thomas got fired
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:30 PM

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Interesting. This is the type of transfer we'd be interested in, not a one year rental. He could certainly help a frontcourt that would otherwise be Hayes/Happ/Brown/Freshmen in 2016. He could potentially even start at the 5 his junior year.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:38 PM

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If there were ever a year to bring in a transfer, it is this year, bcause we don't need that player to play this season while he is sitting out his required year, and we could use additional experience in 2015 after we lose four seniors and maybe also Dekker.  I'd prefer a sophomore-to-be because use it would be better to add to our small 2014 class than to our already large 2013 class (counting Showalter it would become a six-man class), but anyone who can make us better in 2015 is a good addition.  If in fact Dekker is gone, we'd have six juniors to balance not having any seniors.

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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:59 PM

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He would be a nice addition.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 7:30 PM

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The answer to the question everyone is asking?

Yes, he is.  I've seen pictures.

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Posted: 6/18/2014 8:37 PM

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Looks pretty athletic

Highlights

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Posted: 6/18/2014 9:01 PM

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In Iowa city today.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:25 AM

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If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:43 AM

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If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.

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That's ridiculous. Bo will find minutes for you if you're a player. We had several good guards this year so what'd Bo do? Played 3 guards.

This kids game looks different to me than Hayes or Brown for that matter. Better perimeter game and a good slasher. More like Dekker than Brown or Hayes
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:04 AM

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4Baller wrote: If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.
I was thinking the same thing and would love to get him, but he looks like Williams may be a poor man's Hayes. Also have a hard time seeing us go with Williams and Hayes in at the same time, neither appear to have an outside shot, although I think Hayes may be holding back. Have a hard time imagining Williams would transfer to a school where he potentially wouldn't ever start a game.

Competition would be fierce between Dekker/Brown/Hayes/Williams/Happ, but maybe Dekker and Hayes will be gone wink
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Posted: 6/19/2014 3:27 PM

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They wouldn't be recruiting him if they didn't think he was a player and could really contribute.

The staff must think VERY high of him considering that Bo has taken something like 1-2 transfers in the 14 years that he's been here (Zach Morley and Shariff Chambliss).  Given that both of those guys turned out really well for us and helped lead Wisconsin to an Elite 8 then it really makes you think that the staff really sees something in Williams.  Something different than what Hayes, Brown, Happ or Dekker provide.  Who knows if Dekker will even be here next year.


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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:10 PM

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I know Ryan is similar to Ted Thompson in that Thompson likes to build via the draft and player development and Ryan likes to build via recruiting and player development, but given our possible lack of experience in 2015 and the fact that scholarships are available right now, in part because we lost a transfer, I am a little surprised this is the first we've heard about a possible transfer.  An article I read today said more players are transferring than ever before, more than 500 this spring.  It would seem like a few of those 500+ would be interested in joining a final four team that will have playing time available in 2015.

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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:21 PM

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iabucky wrote: In Iowa city today.
iowa town after Madison - hope he brought sleeping pills.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:45 PM

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Wonder if UW's interest in a transfer has anything to do with the indications they might be getting about their chances with Stone and Ellenson?

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Posted: 6/19/2014 5:58 PM

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They wouldn't be recruiting him if they didn't think he was a player and could really contribute.

The staff must think VERY high of him considering that Bo has taken something like 1-2 transfers in the 14 years that he's been here (Zach Morley and Shariff Chambliss).  Given that both of those guys turned out really well for us and helped lead Wisconsin to an Elite 8 then it really makes you think that the staff really sees something in Williams.  Something different than what Hayes, Brown, Happ or Dekker provide.  Who knows if Dekker will even be here next year.

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Wasn't Morley a Juco? Was Paul Grant during the Bennett era?

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Posted: 6/19/2014 7:13 PM

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Morley JUCO. Grant transfer from Boston College. 
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Wasn't Morley a Juco? Was Paul Grant during the Bennett era?
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:19 AM

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stlbadger wrote:
iabucky wrote: In Iowa city today.
iowa town after Madison - hope he brought sleeping pills.
Why would you need sleeping pills in Iowa? The whole state puts me to sleep.

It'll be a tough choice between the always promising Hawks and the final four badgers...
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:31 PM

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I don't think its ridiculous at all for a recruit to consider. Will he be starting? Maybe not. Will he get plenty of minutes? Most likely. Transferring from one school as a starter to another as a bench player might not be what this kid has in mind. He looks like someone i would love to see in a Badger uniform though, so i hope he's buying what Bo sells him.
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If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.

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That's ridiculous. Bo will find minutes for you if you're a player. We had several good guards this year so what'd Bo do? Played 3 guards.

This kids game looks different to me than Hayes or Brown for that matter. Better perimeter game and a good slasher. More like Dekker than Brown or Hayes
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:11 PM

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It is ridiculous in the context of thinking that Wisconsin wouldn't offer just as much playing time as any other school.  Hayes and Williams could easily be on the court together.  Bo doesn't just play a 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.  Some years he's had 3 forwards, other years he's used 3 guards.  To get caught up in thinking that a player has to be slotted into a numbered position is an old way of thinking.

Look at Michigan, Stauskas and Levert are essentially the same player.  Same height, same skill sets.  Beilien played both of them together.  Coaches all over the country do that as well.  The real point is that Bo wouldn't be recruiting him if he couldn't play as Wisconsin rarely if ever takes transfers.  MIght be envisioning Dekker going pro early as well
betrage wrote: I don't think its ridiculous at all for a recruit to consider. Will he be starting? Maybe not. Will he get plenty of minutes? Most likely. Transferring from one school as a starter to another as a bench player might not be what this kid has in mind. He looks like someone i would love to see in a Badger uniform though, so i hope he's buying what Bo sells him.
BigTenwatcher wrote:


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If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.

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That's ridiculous. Bo will find minutes for you if you're a player. We had several good guards this year so what'd Bo do? Played 3 guards.

This kids game looks different to me than Hayes or Brown for that matter. Better perimeter game and a good slasher. More like Dekker than Brown or Hayes


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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:39 PM

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Activebadger wrote: It is ridiculous in the context of thinking that Wisconsin wouldn't offer just as much playing time as any other school.  Hayes and Williams could easily be on the court together.  Bo doesn't just play a 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.  Some years he's had 3 forwards, other years he's used 3 guards.  To get caught up in thinking that a player has to be slotted into a numbered position is an old way of thinking.

Look at Michigan, Stauskas and Levert are essentially the same player.  Same height, same skill sets.  Beilien played both of them together.  Coaches all over the country do that as well.  The real point is that Bo wouldn't be recruiting him if he couldn't play as Wisconsin rarely if ever takes transfers.  MIght be envisioning Dekker going pro early as well
betrage wrote: I don't think its ridiculous at all for a recruit to consider. Will he be starting? Maybe not. Will he get plenty of minutes? Most likely. Transferring from one school as a starter to another as a bench player might not be what this kid has in mind. He looks like someone i would love to see in a Badger uniform though, so i hope he's buying what Bo sells him.
BigTenwatcher wrote:


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--- 4Baller wrote:

If you're Mr. Williams, are you concerned that you play the same position as Mr. Hayes, and you play a very similar style?  By the time you're eligible, you'll both be in your 3rd scholarship year, and Mr. Hayes will be one of the stars of the team.  How much playing time can you really expect?

I'd love to get him, but watching the videos, what am I missing here?

Just wondering.

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That's ridiculous. Bo will find minutes for you if you're a player. We had several good guards this year so what'd Bo do? Played 3 guards.

This kids game looks different to me than Hayes or Brown for that matter. Better perimeter game and a good slasher. More like Dekker than Brown or Hayes
At this point in time, our projected scholarship group for 2015 includes one point guard, four shooting guards, Dekker at small forward, and three power forwards.  Added to that group, a solid forward transfer would likely be part of a core eight of three guards and five front court players, unless we go with three guards a lot.  Shurma or Ellenson are two front court freshmen who could come in and be part of the rotation, if we get either one (or both).  It is also possible Dekker is not here in 2015.  Best guess might be that this particular transfer might end up in a situation similar to that of Dukan this past year, but it is a fluid situation.
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