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  • jakeec
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:10 PM

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I thought there was a thread here but I couldnt find it.  Espn is ranking the top 50 NCAA basketball coaches.  The list is ridiculous but today took it over the top.  They put Thad Matta at 20!  I am sorry but finding 19 coaches with a better resume than Matta is impossible

NCAA tourney resume
1 runner up finish
1 final four
2 Elite Eights
2 Sweet 16's

Only missed the tourney once as a head coach including time at Butler and Xavier and that year he won the NIT. Career record of 377-114. Big Ten Conference 121-53 and has finished first 5 times in 10 years! At Butler and Xavier he won his conference 3 of the 4 years. So in 14 years of coaching he has finished 1st in his conference 8 times! There are 19 coaches better than that?
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:51 PM

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Yeah, that's pretty bad...
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Posted: 6/9/2014 9:23 PM

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jakeec wrote: I thought there was a thread here but I couldnt find it.  Espn is ranking the top 50 NCAA basketball coaches.  The list is ridiculous but today took it over the top.  They put Thad Matta at 20!  I am sorry but finding 19 coaches with a better resume than Matta is impossible

NCAA tourney resume
1 runner up finish
1 final four
2 Elite Eights
2 Sweet 16's

Only missed the tourney once as a head coach including time at Butler and Xavier and that year he won the NIT. Career record of 377-114. Big Ten Conference 121-53 and has finished first 5 times in 10 years! At Butler and Xavier he won his conference 3 of the 4 years. So in 14 years of coaching he has finished 1st in his conference 8 times! There are 19 coaches better than that?

I totally agree.  I bring this stat up from time to time but Matta (along with Bo and Izzo) is one of only 72 coaches in the history of college basketball with a career winning percentage over .700.  When you consider only high major level jobs, the group is even smaller.  Now, consider that these three are accomplishing this while having to go up against one another each year.  Bob Knight is probably the best coach in the history of the B1G but he didn't have to compete against any guys the caliber of Izzo, Ryan, and Matta.  Gene Keady was outstanding but only managed a winning percentage of .656.

Bottom line:  Matta should be in the top 10.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 10:58 PM

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Ridiculous that Matta is that low.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:30 AM

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They said it was based on recent results.  So evidently the 3 S16 or better including a FF and EE in the last 4 years is not considered recent.  They will have Beilein ahead of him even though Matta's resume is so much better is it laughable as well as his record against JB is 11-3.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:38 AM

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drderm wrote: They said it was based on recent results.  So evidently the 3 S16 or better including a FF and EE in the last 4 years is not considered recent.  They will have Beilein ahead of him even though Matta's resume is so much better is it laughable as well as his record against JB is 11-3.
I would have Izzo, Bo, Matta, and Beilein all in my top 10 probably. For sure top 15

Cal, Coach K, Donovan, Miller, Self, Pitino, Boeheim,  Roy Williams are the others that come to mind.  I love Tony Bennett but I dont think his numbers match any of the other 12.  Who else am I missing who could be near the top?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:07 AM

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He doesn't rank with the coaches that you mentioned , but Mark Few will be in the top 20.
 
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:18 AM

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spdude wrote: He doesn't rank with the coaches that you mentioned , but Mark Few will be in the top 20.
Yeah I am sure Few, Marshall, Smart, and Jay Wright will be in the next group.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:08 AM

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Jay Wright? Based on what exactly? 1 Final Four, 1 elite 8 and a 63% winning percentage in 20 years?
jakeec wrote:
spdude wrote: He doesn't rank with the coaches that you mentioned , but Mark Few will be in the top 20.
Yeah I am sure Few, Marshall, Smart, and Jay Wright will be in the next group.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:45 AM

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Prince0fDarkness wrote: Jay Wright? Based on what exactly? 1 Final Four, 1 elite 8 and a 63% winning percentage in 20 years?
jakeec wrote:
spdude wrote: He doesn't rank with the coaches that you mentioned , but Mark Few will be in the top 20.
Yeah I am sure Few, Marshall, Smart, and Jay Wright will be in the next group.
I think he is well respected and he is better than a ton of the coaches in the 25-50 range so I assume he is on the list.  He is in the top 50 and since he hasnt been mentioned yet he will come up soon
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Posted: 6/10/2014 11:19 AM

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by the way they have worded things I suspect "recent" performance means they are heavily slanted towards the last 1-2 years.

I still say Matta has the best resume of any coach in the Big Ten.  Izzo probably a solid #2 but since Matta took over at OSU he has been the class of the conference.

Ranking coaches is hard, though, because of the varying degrees of difficulty at each job.  Is winning 25 games at Kentucky hard?  It's probably easier than winning 15 games at Washington State or TCU.  And then how do you even compare guys working at major jobs with guys in small conferences.  Is winning the CAA more or less impressive than winning the SEC as a coach?

Anybody that solely looks at results of wins or titles or whatever and doesn't adjust for degree of difficulty is just missing the point.  Brad Stevens at Butler didn't want a national title but you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that was doing a better job than he was given where he was at.


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Posted: 6/10/2014 1:33 PM

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blockm2 wrote:

by the way they have worded things I suspect "recent" performance means they are heavily slanted towards the last 1-2 years.

I still say Matta has the best resume of any coach in the Big Ten.  Izzo probably a solid #2 but since Matta took over at OSU he has been the class of the conference.

Ranking coaches is hard, though, because of the varying degrees of difficulty at each job.  Is winning 25 games at Kentucky hard?  It's probably easier than winning 15 games at Washington State or TCU.  And then how do you even compare guys working at major jobs with guys in small conferences.  Is winning the CAA more or less impressive than winning the SEC as a coach?

Anybody that solely looks at results of wins or titles or whatever and doesn't adjust for degree of difficulty is just missing the point.  Brad Stevens at Butler didn't want a national title but you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that was doing a better job than he was given where he was at.

I put Bo ahead of Matta and Izzo for the reason you cited re. Kentucky. Izzo went to an established program and has HUGE recruiting advantages over Bo. Same for Matta - on a lesser scale. Imagine what Bo could do with the recruiting pipelines at OSU and MSU.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:02 PM

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I put Bo ahead of Matta and Izzo for the reason you cited re. Kentucky. Izzo went to an established program and has HUGE recruiting advantages over Bo. Same for Matta - on a lesser scale. Imagine what Bo could do with the recruiting pipelines at OSU and MSU.
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.

I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:14 PM

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Agreed. In my list of the ten best active coaches, Bo, Izzo, and Matta, all make it.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:18 PM

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What has Richard Pitino done to be on the top 50?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:34 PM

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Here's a question:  how does Tim Miles rate?  He took over a program that hadn't been to the NCAAs in a while and got them in last year.  Some of that was easy schedule, but a lot of it was him.  How will Tim Miles rate if in the next few years he wins a few Big Ten titles at Nebraska?

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Posted: 6/10/2014 5:02 PM

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blockm2 wrote: Here's a question:  how does Tim Miles rate?  He took over a program that hadn't been to the NCAAs in a while and got them in last year.  Some of that was easy schedule, but a lot of it was him.  How will Tim Miles rate if in the next few years he wins a few Big Ten titles at Nebraska?
The jury is still out on Miles - their better than expected season was due as you said - at least in part - to their easy schedule. I saw them choke away an 18 point lead in the BTT in a manner that I've never seen from a Bo Ryan team.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:09 PM

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blockm2 wrote:
stlbadger wrote:
I put Bo ahead of Matta and Izzo for the reason you cited re. Kentucky. Izzo went to an established program and has HUGE recruiting advantages over Bo. Same for Matta - on a lesser scale. Imagine what Bo could do with the recruiting pipelines at OSU and MSU.
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.

I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.
MSU and OSU have MASSIVE recruiting advantages and history compared to Wisconsin.  Most elite players stay in their home state.  Michigan and Ohio produce 4 times the amount of elite players that the state of Wisconsin produces not to mention both of those schools have decade upon decade of history.  Magic Johnson played at MSU.  Havilcek, Bobby Knight etc etc played at OSU.  It takes years and years to change tradition.

You say Bo has been at UW long enough that it doesn't matter?  Ok, well now we are starting to see that success pay off even more.  Went to the Final Four last year and this year looks like another 30-win season and possibly the first national championship in the Big Ten since 2000.

Despite the recruiting/history disadvantages Bo Ryan still has a better conference winning % than any coach you think is better and that lead Bo has most likely will be extended even further this coming season.

Carry on.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:15 PM

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blockm2 wrote:


Anybody that solely looks at results of wins or titles or whatever and doesn't adjust for degree of difficulty is just missing the point.  Brad Stevens at Butler didn't want a national title but you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that was doing a better job than he was given where he was at.

The predominance of Brad Stevens success was mostly with 1-2 fantastic classes.  I suspect that Brad probably would have fared about as well as his successor this past season had he not gone to the Celtics.  Sustained success over many years is more impactful.  Remember when Quin Snyder, Dan Monson and Tom Crean were all the rage? 1-2 good years doesn't mean much if you don't sustain it year in and year out.

That being said, I think Brad Stevens is a good coach.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:15 PM

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If MSU has all these recruiting advantages, why haven't they had many elite instate recruits over the years?

Since 2005, consensus top 100 recruits from the state of Michigan that have gone to MSU:  Tom Herzog, Kalin Lucas, Durrell Summers, Derrick Nix, Keith Appling, and Matt Costello.  That's nearly a decade of recruiting.  That's zero consensus five star recruits.

The vast majority of Izzo's top recruits have come from out of state.  Guys like Adreian Payne and Gary Harris and Branden Dawson and Delvon Roe and Raymar Morgan are all out of state recruits.

I'd also be cautious about wondering about Wisconsin winning a national title this year.  Current odds probably sit well under 5%.  They are more likely to not reach the Sweet 16 than win a national title.


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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:31 PM

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blockm2 wrote:

I'd also be cautious about wondering about Wisconsin winning a national title this year.  Current odds probably sit well under 5%.  They are more likely to not reach the Sweet 16 than win a national title.

I'm not one to complain about fans of other teams visiting our board to chat but you're being a dick with that last comment. 

If I visit the Michigan board to warn them about being optimistic about their Wolverines next year, people there would think I'm a dick too.

Is it that hard to a decent message board ambassador?
“I don’t think people want to listen to what isn’t. I think they want to listen to what can be. That’s what we deal with.” -Bo Ryan

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:41 PM

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jaybadger82 wrote:
blockm2 wrote:

I'd also be cautious about wondering about Wisconsin winning a national title this year.  Current odds probably sit well under 5%.  They are more likely to not reach the Sweet 16 than win a national title.

I'm not one to complain about fans of other teams visiting our board but you're being a dick. 

If I visit the Michigan board to warn them about being optimistic about their Wolverines next year, people there would think I'm a dick too.

Is it that hard to a decent ambassador?
I'm not the one predicting a possible national title for anybody in June.  And you think I'm a dick?  Wow.  That hurts.  20 years ago I may have cared what an anonymous poster on the internet thought about me.  I'm long since past that.  If you don't like the facts as presented, fine by me.  If you visit the Michigan board and warn them about their odds of a national title this year, please be my guest.  I'll help provide the math for you and show you it is probably between 0.1% and 1%.

I'm not trying to be an ambassador to or for anybody.  I'm just talking basketball.  If my pointing out Bo Ryan isn't at some big recruiting disadvantage to other conference schools isn't up your alley then oh well.   But let's just say I'm amused at your take on a post that was more pro-MSU than anything else I've posted on the internet in the last decade (and that's saying something).

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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:30 PM

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jaybadger82 wrote:
blockm2 wrote:
I'd also be cautious about wondering about Wisconsin winning a national title this year.  Current odds probably sit well under 5%.  They are more likely to not reach the Sweet 16 than win a national title.

I'm not one to complain about fans of other teams visiting our board but you're being a dick. 

If I visit the Michigan board to warn them about being optimistic about their Wolverines next year, people there would think I'm a dick too.

Is it that hard to a decent ambassador?
I'm not the one predicting a possible national title for anybody in June.  And you think I'm a dick?  Wow.  That hurts.  20 years ago I may have cared what an anonymous poster on the internet thought about me.  I'm long since past that.  If you don't like the facts as presented, fine by me.  If you visit the Michigan board and warn them about their odds of a national title this year, please be my guest.  I'll help provide the math for you and show you it is probably between 0.1% and 1%.

I'm not trying to be an ambassador to or for anybody.  I'm just talking basketball.  If my pointing out Bo Ryan isn't at some big recruiting disadvantage to other conference schools isn't up your alley then oh well.   But let's just say I'm amused at your take on a post that was more pro-MSU than anything else I've posted on the internet in the last decade (and that's saying something).

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UW will be ranked in the top 5, maybe top 3, to start the season. Thank god you're here to talk sense into our fan base when we speak of having a shot at a title.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:38 PM

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blockm2 wrote: 
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.
So how much does it cost to convince a superstar from Ohio or Michigan or Illinois to leave his home state? Just curious since that seems to be your implication here. And how would a school with any integrity manage to get some of that massive budget dollars to the recruit? Just asking for a friend. With individual recruits, for some it doesn't matter. In aggregate, if you don't think local/in state schools, especially those with history aren't a huge factor, you are nuts. 

blockm2 wrote: 
I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.
I suspect you would have a hard time finding many college basketball fans who would share that opinion with you. It's actually kinda funny to think somebody would believe that. Though I'd love to live in a world like that. Tell you what - let's race around the bases. But I'll start standing on 2nd. You should be able to catch me. That kind of head start really shouldn't matter, right? Why did Beilein leave West Virginia for Michigan then? Surely he could've had a similar level of success at WVU as Michigan, right?

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:50 AM

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multimed wrote:
blockm2 wrote: 
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.
So how much does it cost to convince a superstar from Ohio or Michigan or Illinois to leave his home state? Just curious since that seems to be your implication here. And how would a school with any integrity manage to get some of that massive budget dollars to the recruit? Just asking for a friend. With individual recruits, for some it doesn't matter. In aggregate, if you don't think local/in state schools, especially those with history aren't a huge factor, you are nuts. 

blockm2 wrote: 
I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.
I suspect you would have a hard time finding many college basketball fans who would share that opinion with you. It's actually kinda funny to think somebody would believe that. Though I'd love to live in a world like that. Tell you what - let's race around the bases. But I'll start standing on 2nd. You should be able to catch me. That kind of head start really shouldn't matter, right? Why did Beilein leave West Virginia for Michigan then? Surely he could've had a similar level of success at WVU as Michigan, right?
+100  The recruiting map wasn't too large for Beilein at WVU....nowhere near as large the map is at Michigan and WVU has nowhere near the historic reputation of Michigan. Beilein doesn't get the talent he's gotten at Michigan if he's at WVU. Not a chance. By the way, Bo owns Beilein. :-)
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:24 AM

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Brad Stevens made the NCAA tournament 5 of the 6 years he was there. They averaged nearly 28 wins/year during those 6 years. NCAA runner up twice. It wasn't 1-2 good years,it was 5 out of 6 good years. His teams had a true identity, they were smart and tough. I suspect they woulda faired better had he stayed. Him leaving Butler is gonna turn out to be the best decision he ever made. He's getting filthy rich in Boston, and if that doesn't work out, he will be able to get a much better job in college than Butler. He's somebody i truly believe the NCAA would benefit from. Class act and ran a clean program. I hate to see guys like that leave for the NBA.
BigTenwatcher wrote:
blockm2 wrote:


Anybody that solely looks at results of wins or titles or whatever and doesn't adjust for degree of difficulty is just missing the point.  Brad Stevens at Butler didn't want a national title but you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that was doing a better job than he was given where he was at.

The predominance of Brad Stevens success was mostly with 1-2 fantastic classes.  I suspect that Brad probably would have fared about as well as his successor this past season had he not gone to the Celtics.  Sustained success over many years is more impactful.  Remember when Quin Snyder, Dan Monson and Tom Crean were all the rage? 1-2 good years doesn't mean much if you don't sustain it year in and year out.

That being said, I think Brad Stevens is a good coach.
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BigTenwatcher wrote:
blockm2 wrote:
stlbadger wrote:
I put Bo ahead of Matta and Izzo for the reason you cited re. Kentucky. Izzo went to an established program and has HUGE recruiting advantages over Bo. Same for Matta - on a lesser scale. Imagine what Bo could do with the recruiting pipelines at OSU and MSU.
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.

I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.
MSU and OSU have MASSIVE recruiting advantages and history compared to Wisconsin.  Most elite players stay in their home state.  Michigan and Ohio produce 4 times the amount of elite players that the state of Wisconsin produces not to mention both of those schools have decade upon decade of history.  Magic Johnson played at MSU.  Havilcek, Bobby Knight etc etc played at OSU.  It takes years and years to change tradition.

You say Bo has been at UW long enough that it doesn't matter?  Ok, well now we are starting to see that success pay off even more.  Went to the Final Four last year and this year looks like another 30-win season and possibly the first national championship in the Big Ten since 2000.

Despite the recruiting/history disadvantages Bo Ryan still has a better conference winning % than any coach you think is better and that lead Bo has most likely will be extended even further this coming season.

Carry on.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:22 AM

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cameraguy wrote:
multimed wrote:
blockm2 wrote: 
While I somewhat agree, at some point Wisconsin is a massive school with a massive athletics budget and it's near enough to plenty of elite talent and Bo has been there long enough that it just doesn't matter.  I mean 2 of the 3 conference titles Ryan won were in his first 2 seasons there.
So how much does it cost to convince a superstar from Ohio or Michigan or Illinois to leave his home state? Just curious since that seems to be your implication here. And how would a school with any integrity manage to get some of that massive budget dollars to the recruit? Just asking for a friend. With individual recruits, for some it doesn't matter. In aggregate, if you don't think local/in state schools, especially those with history aren't a huge factor, you are nuts. 

blockm2 wrote: 
I mean at this point he's 14 years into his tenure in Madison and I don't think wondering about "recruiting pipelines" at other schools is terribly relevant to anything he might have done.  I suspect if he had been at MSU or OSU he'd have had a similar level of success to what he's had at Wisconsin.
I suspect you would have a hard time finding many college basketball fans who would share that opinion with you. It's actually kinda funny to think somebody would believe that. Though I'd love to live in a world like that. Tell you what - let's race around the bases. But I'll start standing on 2nd. You should be able to catch me. That kind of head start really shouldn't matter, right? Why did Beilein leave West Virginia for Michigan then? Surely he could've had a similar level of success at WVU as Michigan, right?
+100  The recruiting map wasn't too large for Beilein at WVU....nowhere near as large the map is at Michigan and WVU has nowhere near the historic reputation of Michigan. Beilein doesn't get the talent he's gotten at Michigan if he's at WVU. Not a chance. By the way, Bo owns Beilein. :-)
Haha.  This is great.  Beilein must have just become a much better coach once he got to Michigan.  He missed the tourney three of his five years at West Virginia.

I am so thankful for block being our voice of reason.  If it wasnt for him I would have went through with the order of those UW Badgers 2015 National Championship shirts, but since he told me how unlikely that is I know better.  Block make sure to go to the Kentucky, Arizona, Duke, etc boards and be their voice of reason too as they actually think their teams could win a national championship next year too!
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:08 AM

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blockm2 wrote:
jaybadger82 wrote:
blockm2 wrote:

I'd also be cautious about wondering about Wisconsin winning a national title this year.  Current odds probably sit well under 5%.  They are more likely to not reach the Sweet 16 than win a national title.

I'm not one to complain about fans of other teams visiting our board but you're being a dick. 

If I visit the Michigan board to warn them about being optimistic about their Wolverines next year, people there would think I'm a dick too.

Is it that hard to a decent ambassador?
I'm not the one predicting a possible national title for anybody in June.  And you think I'm a dick?  Wow.  That hurts.  20 years ago I may have cared what an anonymous poster on the internet thought about me.  I'm long since past that.  If you don't like the facts as presented, fine by me.  If you visit the Michigan board and warn them about their odds of a national title this year, please be my guest.  I'll help provide the math for you and show you it is probably between 0.1% and 1%.

I'm not trying to be an ambassador to or for anybody.  I'm just talking basketball.  If my pointing out Bo Ryan isn't at some big recruiting disadvantage to other conference schools isn't up your alley then oh well.   But let's just say I'm amused at your take on a post that was more pro-MSU than anything else I've posted on the internet in the last decade (and that's saying something).
Not sure why someone calling attention to a rather tactless, rude, and unnecessary comment amuses to you.  Good thing we can ignore one another going forward.
“I don’t think people want to listen to what isn’t. I think they want to listen to what can be. That’s what we deal with.” -Bo Ryan
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Posted: 6/11/2014 10:03 AM

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Jay Wright checks in at 19,  when Matta was in the Final Four a few years back, NOVA was 13-19.
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