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UNC and Roy Williams

Posted: 6/6/2014 7:54 AM

UNC and Roy Williams 


This story just won't die...
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:15 AM

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UWJunkie wrote: This story just won't die...
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It will die - the school, it's powerful alumni, and mostly the NCAA are doing everything it can to squash it! They really don't want to have significant sanctions against one of its storied flagship basketball programs.

Posted: 6/6/2014 9:45 AM

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Madtowntom wrote:
UWJunkie wrote: This story just won't die...
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It will die - the school, it's powerful alumni, and mostly the NCAA are doing everything it can to squash it! They really don't want to have significant sanctions against one of its storied flagship basketball programs.
I'm guessing fans of the football programs at the storied flagship schools PSU and Alabama would disagree with you (to name a few).  Not denying the NCAAs incompetience but it's not always this simple.

Posted: 6/6/2014 10:15 AM

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donalde2121 wrote:
Madtowntom wrote:
UWJunkie wrote: This story just won't die...
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It will die - the school, it's powerful alumni, and mostly the NCAA are doing everything it can to squash it! They really don't want to have significant sanctions against one of its storied flagship basketball programs.
I'm guessing fans of the football programs at the storied flagship schools PSU and Alabama would disagree with you (to name a few).  Not denying the NCAAs incompetience but it's not always this simple.
It has nothing to do with incompetence. If there was any way that the NCAA could have covered up the scandals at PSU and Alabama they would have. The primary goal of the NCAA is to promote the NCAA and make money. These UNC academic fraud stories keep popping up so at some point the NCAA might have to slap Roy's hand!
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:19 AM

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If this keeps up, pretty soon Cleveland State will receive the death penalty.

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Gary Andersen

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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:23 AM

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There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247

Posted: 6/6/2014 10:34 AM

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SteveVA2 wrote: There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247
There are now a number of relatively credible sources that have come forward saying the same thing as McCants, so what other alumni say to protect their own "college experience"  and prestige of their institution really is not relevant. Besides this doesn't necessarily effect all of the them - I'm sure some of them were good students that didn't need "that much" academic help.

Posted: 6/6/2014 11:24 AM

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Does this mean Bo actually made TWO final Fours during his tine at Wisconsin?

Posted: 6/6/2014 11:43 AM

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SteveVA2 wrote: There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247
What do you expect from die-hard UNC fans? Take a look at PSU, most of their die-hard fans still think Paterno and company were lily white. You have multiple people now saying the same thing. One an administrator. Where there's smoke, steve there's generally fire. In this case, the smoke is getting thicker and blacker. Smelly too.

Last edited 6/6/2014 11:46 AM by UnknownBadger

Posted: 6/6/2014 12:35 PM

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Does anyone really think that UNC isn't dirty at this point? I didn't need Mccants to tell me the obvious. Everyone knows who the cheaters are.

It's like who thinks Calapari is really on the up and up?


Posted: 6/6/2014 1:41 PM

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Don't believe what you read on internet message boards - that's what started WWI.

Posted: 6/6/2014 2:30 PM

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Now we know why JP Tokoto told Roy Williams "I love you" when he committed to UNC.  It was immediately after Ole' Roy said "Btw, you don't have to go to class.  We'll take care of it."


"We fixed the glitch."--Roy Williams to Rashad McCants


Posted: 6/6/2014 3:29 PM

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The UNC board is in full defense mode.  

Harkens me back to the typical PSU and OSU scandals where the fanbases were ignoring the problem at hand and blaming the messengers or saying "everyone else does it!"

The story sounds logical, especially considering he has transcripts that line up and a UNC employee who follwed her conscious as a whistleblower.  

If I were a fan of UNC, I would shutup and wait to see rather than say there is no merit to this.  

If the allegations are true, and the 'statute of limitations' allow, they should lose scholarships and post-seasons.  Pretty damning stuff.

I mean, Roy Williams?  It wouldn't be a longshot for me.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 4:37 PM

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Madtowntom wrote:
SteveVA2 wrote: There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247
There are now a number of relatively credible sources that have come forward saying the same thing as McCants, so what other alumni say to protect their own "college experience"  and prestige of their institution really is not relevant. Besides this doesn't necessarily effect all of the them - I'm sure some of them were good students that didn't need "that much" academic help.
Typical.

McCants accusing Roy of wrong doing = automatically telling the truth.

Anyone who claims the opposite = irrelevant.

I knew the anti-Roy bais was large here, but your post is beyond ridiculous. McCants claims should be fully investigated and McCants should be vetted, and should under no circumstances be automatically accepted as truth. And those who claim the opposite should not be automatically regarded as truth, but shouldn't be called "irrelvant" either.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.

Posted: 6/6/2014 6:19 PM

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Ol Roy is playing like Sgt Schultz. " I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing."

Posted: 6/6/2014 7:28 PM

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Would like to see that nickname stick to Ol' Roy, with caricatures to boot (somebody needs to photoshop Roy with a stupefied look on his face onto Sgt Schulltz). 
stateone wrote: Ol Roy is playing like Sgt Schultz. " I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing."

Go Badgers!  On Wisconsin!

Posted: 6/6/2014 7:43 PM

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kowitzc wrote:
Madtowntom wrote:
SteveVA2 wrote: There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247
There are now a number of relatively credible sources that have come forward saying the same thing as McCants, so what other alumni say to protect their own "college experience"  and prestige of their institution really is not relevant. Besides this doesn't necessarily effect all of the them - I'm sure some of them were good students that didn't need "that much" academic help.
Typical.

McCants accusing Roy of wrong doing = automatically telling the truth.

Anyone who claims the opposite = irrelevant.

I knew the anti-Roy bais was large here, but your post is beyond ridiculous. McCants claims should be fully investigated and McCants should be vetted, and should under no circumstances be automatically accepted as truth. And those who claim the opposite should not be automatically regarded as truth, but shouldn't be called "irrelvant" either.
Typical.

This case deserves a thorough investigation.  Not much good can come of that.  But should facts back this up, are you going to be there supporting Roy like you (probably still) support Paterno?

I'm guessing....yes.

Posted: 6/6/2014 8:02 PM

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Believe what you want, but these links will provide some context. Note the date of the first one.

m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyI...457&src=desktop

None of the players will corroborate his experience. He has always been a malcontent who did the bare minimum and left before graduating.

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/...tions/10102253/

The AFAM classes were bad, the department chair was long ago fired and is under indictment for fraud. That is not in dispute. But McCants other assertions seem fabricated.

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Posted: 6/6/2014 9:10 PM

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unc86 wrote: Believe what you want, but these links will provide some context. Note the date of the first one.

m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyI...amp;src=desktop

None of the players will corroborate his experience. He has always been a malcontent who did the bare minimum and left before graduating.

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/...tions/10102253/

The AFAM classes were bad, the department chair was long ago fired and is under indictment for fraud. That is not in dispute. But McCants other assertions seem fabricated.
Look, whether it's true or not, neither of us know.  Only UNC folk think that they know for sure.

Did he or did he not make the Dean's List?

His transcript looks pretty spotty.  Really good in certain coursework and as weak as it gets in the more traditional stuff.  Does that sound like he was unaware of how that happened?

And why is he a malcontent only after he left?  You had that inkling of him as he won you a NC?

If for nothing else, I'm laughing that the fanbase is all up in arms because you reap what you sow.  Doherty brought him in, Roy kept him, Roy needed him, won NC, and left.  Now, several years later and a pretty sordid allegation:  He's a malcontented opportunist.  Oh, and the staff member is a liar.

What does he have to gain from this again?  A book deal?  Attention?  OK, got it.  I'll look to download it the minute it hits amazon.

Maybe....just maybe, the puzzle fits pretty close to a guy who skated by with a boatload of help that he shouldn't have gotten.  Maybe.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 3:44 AM

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Row60Bucky wrote:
unc86 wrote: Believe what you want, but these links will provide some context. Note the date of the first one.

m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyI...amp;src=desktop

None of the players will corroborate his experience. He has always been a malcontent who did the bare minimum and left before graduating.

www.usatoday.com/story/sports/...tions/10102253/

The AFAM classes were bad, the department chair was long ago fired and is under indictment for fraud. That is not in dispute. But McCants other assertions seem fabricated.
Look, whether it's true or not, neither of us know.  Only UNC folk think that they know for sure.

Did he or did he not make the Dean's List?

His transcript looks pretty spotty.  Really good in certain coursework and as weak as it gets in the more traditional stuff.  Does that sound like he was unaware of how that happened?

And why is he a malcontent only after he left?  You had that inkling of him as he won you a NC?

If for nothing else, I'm laughing that the fanbase is all up in arms because you reap what you sow.  Doherty brought him in, Roy kept him, Roy needed him, won NC, and left.  Now, several years later and a pretty sordid allegation:  He's a malcontented opportunist.  Oh, and the staff member is a liar.

What does he have to gain from this again?  A book deal?  Attention?  OK, got it.  I'll look to download it the minute it hits amazon.

Maybe....just maybe, the puzzle fits pretty close to a guy who skated by with a boatload of help that he shouldn't have gotten.  Maybe.
Or, someone from UNC did him wrong recently and he wants payback.  IT is very suspicious that he randomly come out of nowhere and starts throwing accusations. The NCAA has been looking into UNC for years. WHy did he wait until now instead of the beginning?  Maybe, just maybe, he isn't being 100% truthful and he his trying to get payback for wrongdoing by either Roy or UNC.  OF course, your "convict first, never ask questions later" attitude because of your anti-Roy bias won't allow you to look at it skeptically.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.

Posted: 6/7/2014 5:28 AM

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AFAM was fraudulent. That has been known for years now. McCants almost flunked out taking real courses. The AFAM grades were bogus, therefore Dean's List is bogus. The former chair of the department is under indictment for fraud. The University failed to provide proper oversight. It is an embarrassment. As the first link shows, McCants was ALWAYS a malcontent who came close to being dismissed. Wouldn't expect any of you to know that, but it well known among those who follow the ACC.

Posted: 6/7/2014 6:48 AM

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unc86 wrote: AFAM was fraudulent. That has been known for years now. McCants almost flunked out taking real courses. The AFAM grades were bogus, therefore Dean's List is bogus. The former chair of the department is under indictment for fraud. The University failed to provide proper oversight. It is an embarrassment. As the first link shows, McCants was ALWAYS a malcontent who came close to being dismissed. Wouldn't expect any of you to know that, but it well known among those who follow the ACC.
9 members of your 2005 championship team were AFAM majors. You're telling me that your athletic department didn't see anything out of the ordinary with damn near the entire team majoring in the same bs degree?

Posted: 6/7/2014 7:53 AM

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If Williams and the athletic department didn't know what was going on with its many players over multiple years, it was because they did their best not to know.

Posted: 6/7/2014 7:55 AM

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Does this mean Bo actually made TWO final Fours during his tine at Wisconsin?

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This was the first thing that popped into my mind! Surprised others haven't jumped all over it.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 8:11 AM

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Which is why the two in-house investigators were ordered to investigate the period beginning with 2007. That was no accident or coincidence.

Wait until the outside investigator completes his investigation.  When he goes back to years prior to 2007, imagine what he's going to find.

It will get even uglier than it is now.  Hell, a someone else posted - either in this thread or an another site - by the time this is over, the NCAA may have to give Cleveland State the death penalty.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 8:29 AM

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kowitzc wrote:
Madtowntom wrote:
SteveVA2 wrote: There are other opinions on McCants.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t =12924247
There are now a number of relatively credible sources that have come forward saying the same thing as McCants, so what other alumni say to protect their own "college experience"  and prestige of their institution really is not relevant. Besides this doesn't necessarily effect all of the them - I'm sure some of them were good students that didn't need "that much" academic help.
Typical.

McCants accusing Roy of wrong doing = automatically telling the truth.

Anyone who claims the opposite = irrelevant.

I knew the anti-Roy bais was large here, but your post is beyond ridiculous. McCants claims should be fully investigated and McCants should be vetted, and should under no circumstances be automatically accepted as truth. And those who claim the opposite should not be automatically regarded as truth, but shouldn't be called "irrelvant" either.
Madtown's reply was spot-on and wasn't even "attacking". He was simply saying "consider the source", he was not saying "irrelevant". He also acknowledged that UNC likely also had good students who didn't need any extra help (which would explain why some are saying one thing, while others are saying the opposite, don't you think). You really come off as a major douche-bag with posts like this.

Posted: 6/7/2014 9:33 AM

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This could be turned around completely. Think of how much social/peer pressure the UNC "student athletes" are under not to say anything. Sure McCants may have issues, but there are multiple incidents of institutional pressure to cover things up to protect the program. More times than not things are covered up until some individual goes the extra mile to undercover problems.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 9:42 AM

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SilverWarrior wrote: Which is why the two in-house investigators were ordered to investigate the period beginning with 2007. That was no accident or coincidence.

Wait until the outside investigator completes his investigation.  When he goes back to years prior to 2007, imagine what he's going to find.

It will get even uglier than it is now.  Hell, a someone else posted - either in this thread or an another site - by the time this is over, the NCAA may have to give Cleveland State the death penalty.
As a GB fan/alum, I would not mind that biggrin

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:06 AM

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Funny how UNC fans and many others have a different perspective on Derrick Rose. He allegedly cheated on his SAT while in high school, Memphis had to vacate a season, and that makes Calipari a scumbag/slimeball. UNC's academic fraud is about 10 million times was than what Rose was alleged to have done, but it is justified as everyone does it and just a few rogue people involved. Forget that.

Roy Williams is a scumbag!

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:20 AM

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Slap poor Roy's hand?   The innocent little smurf who hired Danny Manning's dad as an assistant coach at Kansas in order to land the kid?    He is the most overrated coach in America
Madtowntom wrote:
donalde2121 wrote:
Madtowntom wrote:
UWJunkie wrote: This story just won't die...
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It will die - the school, it's powerful alumni, and mostly the NCAA are doing everything it can to squash it! They really don't want to have significant sanctions against one of its storied flagship basketball programs.
I'm guessing fans of the football programs at the storied flagship schools PSU and Alabama would disagree with you (to name a few).  Not denying the NCAAs incompetience but it's not always this simple.
It has nothing to do with incompetence. If there was any way that the NCAA could have covered up the scandals at PSU and Alabama they would have. The primary goal of the NCAA is to promote the NCAA and make money. These UNC academic fraud stories keep popping up so at some point the NCAA might have to slap Roy's hand!
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