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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:27 PM

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#1 Stone
#7 Ellenson
#69 Pritzl
#90 Sharma
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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:57 PM

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I was surprised to see JJ go to 3 star.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:01 PM

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We all know how subjective player rankings are, but it should make some here feel good to see that our first commit, a guard, is now ranked higher than Koenig was.  According to Scout, Pritzl is our highest ranked guard commit since Hughes and Bohannon in 2006.  I'm glad we did offer when we did, avoiding what could have been another Thomas situation, and like in our 2013 class, we're off to a start with a good guard as we head into the summer recruiting season.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 1:08 PM

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Pritzl jumped 18 spots ahead of Noskowiak.  Ellenson continues his incredible climb.  I was skeptical of ESPN ranking him so high but man does he keep jumping up the rankings.

Others of note
#49 - Jimmy Whitt - only one spot behind one time top 10 guy Charles Matthews
#64 - Esa Ahmad
Jarvis Johnson isnt ranked.

Scout seems to put a little more stock into AAU showings.  Reports have not been good on Jarvis Johnson or Noskowiak and they have dropped.  Pritzl and Ellenson have had good springs and jumped up

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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:07 PM

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Nothing against Stone, he's great, but the top of this class must not be very strong if he's #1.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:31 PM

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The Class of '15 is very strong, especially with respect to bigs.

From all reports, Stone has taken his game to another level.  His body has become leaner, more muscular, and he is quicker than he was during the high school season.  He absolutely dominated a couple of major AAU tournaments this spring even when he competed against other ranked big men.

Is he the best in the class?  Maybe, maybe not.  But he is definitely in the discussion.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:02 PM

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Maybe Stone should decide to be a package deal with Ellenson instead of Newman
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:17 PM

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Nothing against Stone, he's great, but the top of this class must not be very strong if he's #1.

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Let me guess, you wife's cousin's second husband is the JV coach at a Milwaukee area high school and told you that Stone really isn't that good. Because he was once the eight man in your high school team which almost won regionals you put more faith in his opinion that every major college coaching staff in the country
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Posted: 6/5/2014 3:23 PM

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Nope, I've just seen him play a handful of times and find it hard to believe that's he's really THE best player in the country. Odd thing to get bent out of shape over.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:43 PM

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panama74 wrote: Nope, I've just seen him play a handful of times and find it hard to believe that's he's really THE best player in the country. Odd thing to get bent out of shape over.

I admit I've had the same thought.  I think Stone has a load of potential but is probably a better pro prospect than college prospect.  He's all length, athleticism, and power but hasn't developed a ton of basketball skill to this point.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't love for him to become a Badger.  He's probably a 1 and done regardless of where he goes because the pros love his raw potential.  Ellenson seems a better college prospect based on his skill and size.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:45 AM

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panama74 wrote: Nope, I've just seen him play a handful of times and find it hard to believe that's he's really THE best player in the country. Odd thing to get bent out of shape over.

I admit I've had the same thought.  I think Stone has a load of potential but is probably a better pro prospect than college prospect.  He's all length, athleticism, and power but hasn't developed a ton of basketball skill to this point.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't love for him to become a Badger.  He's probably a 1 and done regardless of where he goes because the pros love his raw potential.  Ellenson seems a better college prospect based on his skill and size.
Stone is very very good and every bit worthy of the top spot in 2015. He is similar to Jahlil Okafor but less skilled however more athletic. The fact is that 2015 is not as good as the 2014 class. As for college potential I like Ellenson better as Stone is a definite one and done but I see see Ellenson staying at least 2 years and he is much more skilled overall. Ellensen is very good from the post out to the 3 point line and has alot of versatility for a near 7 footer. 

Ellenson would thrive under Bo Ryan though he will be very hard for you guys to land as every blue blood among others will be after him. 

Pritzl was gifted a fairly high rating. I think he is a good player but certainly not top 70. SG is the most polluted and difficult position to rank and predict however as there are 33 in the top 100 so I don't see it as a huge oversight. I see Pritzl more in the 120-150 range from what I have seen. However from top 20 guys like Luke Kennard and Antonio Blakeney I see very little difference to guys like #91 Kevaughn Allen or Illini's own unranked Aaron Jordan who was 77 last ranking by the way. So the difference from 5* SG to 150 SG appears to be very small.

I am sure you all will take this as a sure sign Pritzl is a stud and I do think he is and will be a good player I do not however think he is as good as any of the SG's rated below him in the top 100 or several others including Aaron Jordan who was not rated. 

If you look at Scouts top 100 they have 33 SG's rated. The only SG's I can see which did not attend the EYBL camp are Jimmy Whitt and Brevin Pritzl. Jimmy Whitt completely dominated and made a big name for himself at the adidas Jayhawk invitational. Pritzl was good but hardly dominant, however he had Brian Snow all over his jock for some reason. 

Rankings are continually moving and certainly subjective but as shown with Scouts latest they are many times based on one weekend and one off hand  evaluators opinion. EYBL drove this update as I am sure Peach Jam will drive the next. Having seen all of these guys myself it is pretty subjective and any top 100 without Aaron Jordan is short sighted as he is a top 10 overall shooter in this class. The fact he has grown to 6'5 and expanded his game to include everything from playing the 1-3 has not even been considered.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 2:08 AM

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Stone is fantastic and both he Ellenson and Sharma would look great in Badger red
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:08 AM

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BigTenwatcher wrote: Stone is fantastic and both he Ellenson and Sharma would look great in Badger red
You have a shot at Sharma but Stone and Ellenson no way. Just move on.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 3:22 AM

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DWILL05 wrote:
Stone is very very good and every bit worthy of the top spot in 2015. He is similar to Jahlil Okafor but less skilled however more athletic. The fact is that 2015 is not as good as the 2014 class. As for college potential I like Ellenson better as Stone is a definite one and done but I see see Ellenson staying at least 2 years and he is much more skilled overall. Ellensen is very good from the post out to the 3 point line and has alot of versatility for a near 7 footer. 

Ellenson would thrive under Bo Ryan though he will be very hard for you guys to land as every blue blood among others will be after him. 

Pritzl was gifted a fairly high rating. I think he is a good player but certainly not top 70. SG is the most polluted and difficult position to rank and predict however as there are 33 in the top 100 so I don't see it as a huge oversight. I see Pritzl more in the 120-150 range from what I have seen. However from top 20 guys like Luke Kennard and Antonio Blakeney I see very little difference to guys like #91 Kevaughn Allen or Illini's own unranked Aaron Jordan who was 77 last ranking by the way. So the difference from 5* SG to 150 SG appears to be very small.

I am sure you all will take this as a sure sign Pritzl is a stud and I do think he is and will be a good player I do not however think he is as good as any of the SG's rated below him in the top 100 or several others including Aaron Jordan who was not rated. 

If you look at Scouts top 100 they have 33 SG's rated. The only SG's I can see which did not attend the EYBL camp are Jimmy Whitt and Brevin Pritzl. Jimmy Whitt completely dominated and made a big name for himself at the adidas Jayhawk invitational. Pritzl was good but hardly dominant, however he had Brian Snow all over his jock for some reason. 

Rankings are continually moving and certainly subjective but as shown with Scouts latest they are many times based on one weekend and one off hand  evaluators opinion. EYBL drove this update as I am sure Peach Jam will drive the next. Having seen all of these guys myself it is pretty subjective and any top 100 without Aaron Jordan is short sighted as he is a top 10 overall shooter in this class. The fact he has grown to 6'5 and expanded his game to include everything from playing the 1-3 has not even been considered.
Ratings envy!!! Don't worry, DWILL. Aaron Jordan will end up being a good 3* :-) And somebody was whispering things about Pritzl that gave him a #69 rating. Whitt got those same whispers about him this Spring. Of course, ALL Illinois recruits should be ranked higher than Wisconsin recruits! That's just a given, right? Pritzl's just a flash in the pan who will fall back to earth this Summer....same with Whitt. And we have NO chance with Ellenson because the Blue Bloods are after him :-) Forget about Stone....0% chance. Wisconsin just won't get any kids higher than the 120-150 range. Just not possible! Things don't change! Kids don't get better and pass up other kids!

Aaron Jordan can shoot the ball and will help the Illini. Nothing has changed. The only thing that's changed is that Brevin Priztl has improved to the point where the guys doing the rankings have him ranked #69....ahead of Aaron Jordan. Big deal. They each have a Summer of AAU ball and a school season to improve their games before they pack their bags for College. I'm sure both will work hard. They both seem like a good fit for the teams they chose. Who cares about a number next to a kid's name??
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Posted: 6/6/2014 6:56 AM

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DWILL05 wrote:
BigTenwatcher wrote: Stone is fantastic and both he Ellenson and Sharma would look great in Badger red
You have a shot at Sharma but Stone and Ellenson no way. Just move on.
You seriously dont think the Badgers have a shot at Ellenson?  You wonder why you get "attacked" for some of your posts?  I am not saying the Badgers will land Ellenson but 247 has the Badgers as favorites right now.  Obviously it will be a battle but UW is very good program in his home state and Bo seems to have a good relationship with him.  I dont think we land Stone.  Would put it at 5% or lower.   Ellenson is much higher. You act is getting old
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Posted: 6/6/2014 7:00 AM

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DWILL05 wrote:
LANI01 wrote:
panama74 wrote: Nope, I've just seen him play a handful of times and find it hard to believe that's he's really THE best player in the country. Odd thing to get bent out of shape over.

I admit I've had the same thought.  I think Stone has a load of potential but is probably a better pro prospect than college prospect.  He's all length, athleticism, and power but hasn't developed a ton of basketball skill to this point.  That doesn't mean I wouldn't love for him to become a Badger.  He's probably a 1 and done regardless of where he goes because the pros love his raw potential.  Ellenson seems a better college prospect based on his skill and size.
Stone is very very good and every bit worthy of the top spot in 2015. He is similar to Jahlil Okafor but less skilled however more athletic. The fact is that 2015 is not as good as the 2014 class. As for college potential I like Ellenson better as Stone is a definite one and done but I see see Ellenson staying at least 2 years and he is much more skilled overall. Ellensen is very good from the post out to the 3 point line and has alot of versatility for a near 7 footer. 

Ellenson would thrive under Bo Ryan though he will be very hard for you guys to land as every blue blood among others will be after him. 

Pritzl was gifted a fairly high rating. I think he is a good player but certainly not top 70. SG is the most polluted and difficult position to rank and predict however as there are 33 in the top 100 so I don't see it as a huge oversight. I see Pritzl more in the 120-150 range from what I have seen. However from top 20 guys like Luke Kennard and Antonio Blakeney I see very little difference to guys like #91 Kevaughn Allen or Illini's own unranked Aaron Jordan who was 77 last ranking by the way. So the difference from 5* SG to 150 SG appears to be very small.

I am sure you all will take this as a sure sign Pritzl is a stud and I do think he is and will be a good player I do not however think he is as good as any of the SG's rated below him in the top 100 or several others including Aaron Jordan who was not rated. 

If you look at Scouts top 100 they have 33 SG's rated. The only SG's I can see which did not attend the EYBL camp are Jimmy Whitt and Brevin Pritzl. Jimmy Whitt completely dominated and made a big name for himself at the adidas Jayhawk invitational. Pritzl was good but hardly dominant, however he had Brian Snow all over his jock for some reason. 

Rankings are continually moving and certainly subjective but as shown with Scouts latest they are many times based on one weekend and one off hand  evaluators opinion. EYBL drove this update as I am sure Peach Jam will drive the next. Having seen all of these guys myself it is pretty subjective and any top 100 without Aaron Jordan is short sighted as he is a top 10 overall shooter in this class. The fact he has grown to 6'5 and expanded his game to include everything from playing the 1-3 has not even been considered.
Jordan should be in the top 100 but so should Pritzl.  Once rivals puts out their new rankings Pritzl will be in the top 100 of Scout, Rivals, and 247.  69 in Scout and 72 in 247.  Rivals has already said he will be a 4 start and in the top 100.  It is not one scout who fell in love with him.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 5:13 PM

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Nothing against Stone, he's great, but the top of this class must not be very strong if he's #1.

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Let me guess, you wife's cousin's second husband is the JV coach at a Milwaukee area high school and told you that Stone really isn't that good. Because he was once the eight man in your high school team which almost won regionals you put more faith in his opinion that every major college coaching staff in the country
You're mixing him up with mewink
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DWILL05 wrote:
BigTenwatcher wrote: Stone is fantastic and both he Ellenson and Sharma would look great in Badger red
You have a shot at Sharma but Stone and Ellenson no way. Just move on.
Wrong. Stone will not attend UW.  Ellenson wil. Sharma is 85%. You just don't know what your talking about. Trust me.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 6:39 PM

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DWILL05 wrote:
BigTenwatcher wrote: Stone is fantastic and both he Ellenson and Sharma would look great in Badger red
You have a shot at Sharma but Stone and Ellenson no way. Just move on.
Here's a thought.... why don't you move on?banghead
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:18 PM

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jakeec wrote:
 
Jordan should be in the top 100 but so should Pritzl.  Once rivals puts out their new rankings Pritzl will be in the top 100 of Scout, Rivals, and 247.  69 in Scout and 72 in 247.  Rivals has already said he will be a 4 start and in the top 100.  It is not one scout who fell in love with him.


Aaron Jordan is very skilled and his measurables are off the charts.  Would have loved to have him as a Badger.  At the same time, he's shaping up to be one of these classic Illini recruits:  all world on paper but maybe lacking a killer instinct.  This is what many people don't get about Traevon Jackson.  TJ lacks Jordan's raw measurables but is a stone cold competitor.  Guys like TJ can push someone like Jordan to reach his full potential.  Not sure if Illinois has that element on their roster.  If they do, Jordan will become a better player.

Pritzl might very well have that killer instinct and that's likely one of the reasons he's moving up the rankings.  There was a recent game where Brevin got shut out due to foul trouble during the first half of a game and then returned to score 41 in the second half.  THAT was a statement.  I don't think Brevin "let the game come to him" that half.  He was PO'd and went out in the second half with blood in his eyes.  The Badgers are fortunate to have a number of players on their current roster with the same type of demeanor.  Illinois has more guys who look awesome during warmups.
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LANI01 wrote:
jakeec wrote:
 
Jordan should be in the top 100 but so should Pritzl.  Once rivals puts out their new rankings Pritzl will be in the top 100 of Scout, Rivals, and 247.  69 in Scout and 72 in 247.  Rivals has already said he will be a 4 start and in the top 100.  It is not one scout who fell in love with him.


Aaron Jordan is very skilled and his measurables are off the charts.  Would have loved to have him as a Badger.  At the same time, he's shaping up to be one of these classic Illini recruits:  all world on paper but maybe lacking a killer instinct.  This is what many people don't get about Traevon Jackson.  TJ lacks Jordan's raw measurables but is a stone cold competitor.  Guys like TJ can push someone like Jordan to reach his full potential.  Not sure if Illinois has that element on their roster.  If they do, Jordan will become a better player.

Pritzl might very well have that killer instinct and that's likely one of the reasons he's moving up the rankings.  There was a recent game where Brevin got shut out due to foul trouble during the first half of a game and then returned to score 41 in the second half.  THAT was a statement.  I don't think Brevin "let the game come to him" that half.  He was PO'd and went out in the second half with blood in his eyes.  The Badgers are fortunate to have a number of players on their current roster with the same type of demeanor.  Illinois has more guys who look awesome during warmups.
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Happ seems to be the same type of player. I have seen it said of him that his biggest fault at this might be that he is so aggressive. I'll take that!


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jakeec wrote:
 
Jordan should be in the top 100 but so should Pritzl.  Once rivals puts out their new rankings Pritzl will be in the top 100 of Scout, Rivals, and 247.  69 in Scout and 72 in 247.  Rivals has already said he will be a 4 start and in the top 100.  It is not one scout who fell in love with him.


Aaron Jordan is very skilled and his measurables are off the charts.  Would have loved to have him as a Badger.  At the same time, he's shaping up to be one of these classic Illini recruits:  all world on paper but maybe lacking a killer instinct.  This is what many people don't get about Traevon Jackson.  TJ lacks Jordan's raw measurables but is a stone cold competitor.  Guys like TJ can push someone like Jordan to reach his full potential.  Not sure if Illinois has that element on their roster.  If they do, Jordan will become a better player.

Pritzl might very well have that killer instinct and that's likely one of the reasons he's moving up the rankings.  There was a recent game where Brevin got shut out due to foul trouble during the first half of a game and then returned to score 41 in the second half.  THAT was a statement.  I don't think Brevin "let the game come to him" that half.  He was PO'd and went out in the second half with blood in his eyes.  The Badgers are fortunate to have a number of players on their current roster with the same type of demeanor.  Illinois has more guys who look awesome during warmups.

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DWILL05 wrote:
Stone is very very good and every bit worthy of the top spot in 2015. He is similar to Jahlil Okafor but less skilled however more athletic. The fact is that 2015 is not as good as the 2014 class. As for college potential I like Ellenson better as Stone is a definite one and done but I see see Ellenson staying at least 2 years and he is much more skilled overall. Ellensen is very good from the post out to the 3 point line and has alot of versatility for a near 7 footer. 

Ellenson would thrive under Bo Ryan though he will be very hard for you guys to land as every blue blood among others will be after him. 

Pritzl was gifted a fairly high rating. I think he is a good player but certainly not top 70. SG is the most polluted and difficult position to rank and predict however as there are 33 in the top 100 so I don't see it as a huge oversight. I see Pritzl more in the 120-150 range from what I have seen. However from top 20 guys like Luke Kennard and Antonio Blakeney I see very little difference to guys like #91 Kevaughn Allen or Illini's own unranked Aaron Jordan who was 77 last ranking by the way. So the difference from 5* SG to 150 SG appears to be very small.

I am sure you all will take this as a sure sign Pritzl is a stud and I do think he is and will be a good player I do not however think he is as good as any of the SG's rated below him in the top 100 or several others including Aaron Jordan who was not rated. 

If you look at Scouts top 100 they have 33 SG's rated. The only SG's I can see which did not attend the EYBL camp are Jimmy Whitt and Brevin Pritzl. Jimmy Whitt completely dominated and made a big name for himself at the adidas Jayhawk invitational. Pritzl was good but hardly dominant, however he had Brian Snow all over his jock for some reason. 

Rankings are continually moving and certainly subjective but as shown with Scouts latest they are many times based on one weekend and one off hand  evaluators opinion. EYBL drove this update as I am sure Peach Jam will drive the next. Having seen all of these guys myself it is pretty subjective and any top 100 without Aaron Jordan is short sighted as he is a top 10 overall shooter in this class. The fact he has grown to 6'5 and expanded his game to include everything from playing the 1-3 has not even been considered.
Ratings envy!!! Don't worry, DWILL. Aaron Jordan will end up being a good 3* :-) And somebody was whispering things about Pritzl that gave him a #69 rating. Whitt got those same whispers about him this Spring. Of course, ALL Illinois recruits should be ranked higher than Wisconsin recruits! That's just a given, right? Pritzl's just a flash in the pan who will fall back to earth this Summer....same with Whitt. And we have NO chance with Ellenson because the Blue Bloods are after him :-) Forget about Stone....0% chance. Wisconsin just won't get any kids higher than the 120-150 range. Just not possible! Things don't change! Kids don't get better and pass up other kids!

Aaron Jordan can shoot the ball and will help the Illini. Nothing has changed. The only thing that's changed is that Brevin Priztl has improved to the point where the guys doing the rankings have him ranked #69....ahead of Aaron Jordan. Big deal. They each have a Summer of AAU ball and a school season to improve their games before they pack their bags for College. I'm sure both will work hard. They both seem like a good fit for the teams they chose. Who cares about a number next to a kid's name??
Ratings envy? Don't know why I am even responding to you still but whatever. First off I have stated multiple times that I really like Pritzl. He is a good player and will be a good one under Ryan. He is not however better now or a better prospect than Jordan. Apparently your coach felt the same way as he offered Jordan almost a year earlier and really wanted a commit.

Jordan is better at every single facet of the game. Shooting, passing, dribbling, defense, rebounding, posting up, using both hands to finish. On top of this Jordan is up to 6'5 and 190 lbs and possibly still growing. Jordan was rated at #77 on scout and has mysteriously fallen off as apparently scout had no one at the R & B shootout where he was named top performer averaging over 22PPG. However Jordan is still rated a 4* on ESPN and Rivals. Regardless of rankings Aaron Jordan is going to be an absolute stud as I am sure Pritzl will be as well.

As for Whitt he is very good and every bit deserving of a 4* rating and should fall in the 50-75 range. I was just being realistic regarding your chances with Stone and Ellenson. I guess you may have about a .001 chance at Stone. Ellenson maybe 5% so I suppose you do have a chance. Look Stone is like Illinois chances with Jahlil Oakafor or Jabari Parker. Was never going to happen and most of us who were realistic knew it. Stone I won't even discuss the logistics with him. Ellenson is a different animal as he is a late bloomer who Wisconsin was in early on and has Bo Ryan Wiscy written all over him. I think he likes you guys alot and I believe personally that he would be best served to go to Wisconsin as Bo would make him a star. Having said that He is completely enamored with several blue bloods with Duke really shining in his eyes. I see his recruitment just like the Illini's recruitment of Brunson right now. All the logic says he should go to your school but I just don't see it happening.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:20 PM

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Jordan should be in the top 100 but so should Pritzl.  Once rivals puts out their new rankings Pritzl will be in the top 100 of Scout, Rivals, and 247.  69 in Scout and 72 in 247.  Rivals has already said he will be a 4 start and in the top 100.  It is not one scout who fell in love with him.


Aaron Jordan is very skilled and his measurables are off the charts.  Would have loved to have him as a Badger.  At the same time, he's shaping up to be one of these classic Illini recruits:  all world on paper but maybe lacking a killer instinct.  This is what many people don't get about Traevon Jackson.  TJ lacks Jordan's raw measurables but is a stone cold competitor.  Guys like TJ can push someone like Jordan to reach his full potential.  Not sure if Illinois has that element on their roster.  If they do, Jordan will become a better player.

Pritzl might very well have that killer instinct and that's likely one of the reasons he's moving up the rankings.  There was a recent game where Brevin got shut out due to foul trouble during the first half of a game and then returned to score 41 in the second half.  THAT was a statement.  I don't think Brevin "let the game come to him" that half.  He was PO'd and went out in the second half with blood in his eyes.  The Badgers are fortunate to have a number of players on their current roster with the same type of demeanor.  Illinois has more guys who look awesome during warmups.
Just wondering have you ever actually seen Jordan play? Seems you are talking out your ass. Jordan is an extremely clutch player who wants the ball in his hands and plays extremely hard. In fact just today Zagsblog released an article about AJ from the R & B shootout stating that in every game regardless of outcome AJ is the hardest working most competitive player on the floor. Would love to hear which Illini players are all world on paper yet lack killer instinct. How does one decide which player has more killer instinct than others?

Regardless I think you are picturing too many Bruce Weber led Illini teams. Yes even Illini fans have questioned certain players of the pasts intestinal fortitude but I will refrain from that as it is in bad taste. I instead believe the majority of our problems over the past 8 years stems from Weber's complete lack of roster building ability. The guy recruited 1 true PG over his last 8 years at Illinois. That alone is a recipe for disaster but then you pile on the over abundance of wing athletes who were really redundant and a lack of true post players who could create easy baskets and a complete lack of class balance (0 2008 recruits, 0 2012 recruits). Weber was a recruiting and managerial disaster though I do believe he is a decent coach.

Contrast that with Groce who has completely overhauled our entire roster in 2 years. Recruited hard working tough players with a chip on their shoulder who are very coachable. Tell me Ray Rice, Kendrick Nunn, Malcolm Hill, Aaron Cosby, Leron Black, Aaron Jordan are guys who lack toughness and killer instinct. Many outsiders who don't follow the Illini still assume we are similar to our Weber led teams. I believe starting this upcoming year those people will be surprised.

On top of this the Illini appear poised to land multiple other top 100 players. From many accounts we lead for Jawun Evans and Elijah Thomas. If we land these two guys to go along with DJ and AJ and the other foundation pieces we will be competing for BIG championships for the next 3 years at least.

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Pritzl will have the better career because Bo Ryan will be coaching him. Also our chance with stone may be better than you think. His cousin, Ryan Evans played for us. His father has connections to UW, and he may want to stay close to home. Our chance arnt great, but .001 is fvcken absurd. And Henry is much greater than 5 percent.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:50 PM

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And I'm not sure how you lead for Thomas, but I won't bother.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:46 PM

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Tvtime wrote: And I'm not sure how you lead for Thomas, but I won't bother.
Well because Thomas has already stated we are in his top 3. Meyers Leonard is his favorite college player and he has an excellent relationship with Groce. His mom loves Groce and he realizes that he has a ready made spot for large minutes his freshman year. The majority of his social media posts reflect an affection for UI and he is seen consistently sporting Illini gear. The crystal ball on 247 is swinging rapidly to UI for Evans (not that this is proof) his AAU teammate and alot of insider talk is suggesting he is close to pulling the trigger for UI.

All of this is conjecture but most signs point to UI being in the lead for Elijah. Not saying we land him for sure but it looks more promising certainly then Wiscy landing Stone.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:49 PM

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Tvtime wrote: Pritzl will have the better career because Bo Ryan will be coaching him. Also our chance with stone may be better than you think. His cousin, Ryan Evans played for us. His father has connections to UW, and he may want to stay close to home. Our chance arnt great, but .001 is fvcken absurd. And Henry is much greater than 5 percent.
I will bet you that AJ has a better career than Pritzl. Though we will have to post up front our criteria which defines a better career. I will also bet you that Stone does not end up at Wisconsin. I am guessing you won't do either bet though as you really don't have any idea what you are talking about. Name the terms I am in.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 1:47 AM

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DWILL05 wrote:
 
I will bet you that AJ has a better career than Pritzl. Though we will have to post up front our criteria which defines a better career. I will also bet you that Stone does not end up at Wisconsin. I am guessing you won't do either bet though as you really don't have any idea what you are talking about. Name the terms I am in.
The fact that you are stupid enough to bet that AJ has a better career than Pritzl tells me all I need to know about your intelligence.  If they are anywhere close to similar players talent wise (as most recruiting services indicate) there is probably a 90% chance that Pritzl will be a better player based solely on the fact that Bo Ryan is coaching one player and Groce is coaching the other one.  AJ could end up being the better player, but the odds are certainly not high enough that anyone with any statistical intelligence would bet on.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 4:06 AM

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Dwill calling Whitt a sg tells me I can ignore his input.
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