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My 10 Things -- Minnesota

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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:11 PM

My 10 Things -- Minnesota 


Sorry for the couple hour delay. I needed sometime to collect my thoughts after watching that abortion of a game.

1. Ryan Evans played as bad of a game as I’ve seen in my years watching this team. He was a black hole on offense, loose with the ball, made some laughable mistakes, missed some easy shots and was garbage at the line. If Evans misses the team bus and stays in Madison, we win this game. I honestly think we might be to the point where Bo needs to pull out some tapes of Dennis Rodman and say to Evans “This is your role. You will rebound, defend and shoot uncontested layups. If someone passes the ball you will move it away quickly. You are offensive option #5.”


2. Tre should obviously be writing out a Valentine’s Day card thanking Evans for overshadowing his horrendous play. He just dominated the ball far too much, had his typical week turnovers and really  quarterbacked the team into some horrible possessions down the stretch. I like that he feels like he can make the play, but at some point you need to give up the rock. The last possession of regulation was obviously terrible. It was almost like he had a little bubble over his head saying “I am taking the shot”. I realize we don’t have a ton of great options for creating, but he just needs to have a better feel for the offense.


3. Certainly Dekker was great in the second half and probably would have had 3 more points had his buddy Tre not had blinders on in transition at a time where Dekker was on fire. He did commit a cardinal sin with maybe 2-3 minutes left of picking up his dribble late in the shot clock like 30-feet from the hoop, leading to Tre taking a bad shot. As we’ve talked about before, he’s also much better than his senior teammates with regards to control of the ball and his body around the hoop.


4. Again, our senior leaders were not shot makers. Early in the game Bruiser had multiple chances to put an early dagger in the Gophers and came up empty. Berggren also had a wide open look on a key possession late that would have likely sealed the game (would have put us up 5 with like 1:00 to play) and came up short. Berggren missed another key one in overtime. Again, I don’t know what to say here. You’re seniors coming back to your home state. Get the job done.


5. The Bruiser turnover was inexcusable and he knew it. It was a Basketball 101 mistake at the key point in the game. No need for any more discussion.


6. The Hollins who kicks his foot out on threes deserves to end up with a broken ankle. It’s a bush league play. Any decent coach is going to tell you to just focus on making the shot and not go for the cheap foul. In all honesty, it probably leads to more misses than it does foul calls anyway; so maybe he should keep it up.


7. At one point in the first half, Minnesota had played 15 minutes of basketball, made 5 total shots and had given us either “the woof” or “the staredown” after three of them. And Gopher fan wonders why this team never wins anything of consequence. I’m pretty sure part of the answer can be found with the way they spurt in their pants after 2 made baskets.

8. Certainly our defense was amazing tonight and gave us every chance to win this game. It’s hard to state how good we were on that end. Great effort by everyone.


9. If you throw out everything I listed above, we still have a great chance to win the game, if we just make 1 shot in our least 8-9 possessions. Several of the possessions were not great, but there were a couple where we just needed a reasonable shot to fall and we would have had the game 100% in our control. It was almost like the basketball gods said “You’ve done so many dumb  things that we’re not going to reward you, even when you do something decent.”


10. This team is already on pace to accomplish more than I figured and maybe have certainly had a ton of breaks at the end of games. This one stings because it was there for the taking, but maybe they were just due for this.

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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:14 PM

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ETR would you switch Marshall / Jackson's minutes? #1 should have happened many, many games ago.

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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:19 PM

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Wisconsin will be in the game with Ohio State for at least 40 minutes, if not more. That offense really struggles to score and Wisconsin was at least impressive defensively tonight.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:20 PM

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stlbadger wrote: ETR would you switch Marshall / Jackson's minutes? #1 should have happened many, many games ago.
I would certainly give Marshall more minutes, if Tre continues to over-handle the ball.

The problem is that Marshall sometimes has a little "dribble and go nowhere" in him too.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:20 PM

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EricTheeRed wrote:


10. This team is already on pace to accomplish more than I figured and maybe have certainly had a ton of breaks at the end of games. This one stings because it was there for the taking, but maybe they were just due for this.

+1, felt Wisconsin was fortunate to beat Iowa and obviously stole the Michigan game.  I think they deserved to win this one more than those two, but if you keep playing close games you're going to get burnt.  So be it.  Go get after Ohio State and win, if they do anther Top 4 Big Ten finish looks real good.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:25 PM

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Wisconsin will be in the game with Ohio State for at least 40 minutes, if not more. That offense really struggles to score and Wisconsin was at least impressive defensively tonight.

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I will be surprised if Wisconsin doesn't win fairly easily.

Although who really knows with this group I guess.

I got the shotgun....you got the briefcase......all in the game though


 

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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:26 PM

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It really is hard not to think about what this team could have been with Gasser.  We just have way to inconsistent, and many times, horrible PG play.  The MSU game and this one should have been W's.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:29 PM

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Mike Lucas on the radio tonight....."Ryan Evans forgets he has players out there to help" after a coast to coast missed reverse layup. Those last 4 free throw attempts were laughable. Quite simply, you can't afford to have a senior leader shoot 25% from the field, 25% from the free throw line and lead the team in turnovers.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:30 PM

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Great list per usual.

I am the world's biggest homer and Bo Ryan apologist. But my goodness. Evans is seriously only slightly better than an automatic turnover on offense. I get that his rebounding and defense is superb. But being a complete black hole on offense has to be too much for Bo to take. It cost us this game, IMO.

Trae wasn't much better. He's made some key plays for us, to be sure. But tonight he showed a lack of true leadership at decisive times. Missed a wide open Dekker (after Dekker had swished 2 consecutive threes), and had an abysmal final possession. You could tell he decided he was going to shoot it, no matter what.

I want to say Bo knows best, but I really don't get it here. The positives that Evans and Jackson brought defensively were clearly outweighed by their incredibly horrible offensive performances. We really just needed those two to not eff up on offense, and this game was there for us to take, and a conference title was possible. But these two just couldn't contain themselves.

Frustrated, Incorporated.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:30 PM

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Frank looked like some guy playing pickup ball at the Y in the mid 70's with his headband.  biggrin
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:30 PM

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BelmontBucky45 wrote: It really is hard not to think about what this team could have been with Gasser.  We just have way to inconsistent, and many times, horrible PG play.  The MSU game and this one should have been W's.
As would about 3 or 4 others - the B1G title is ours with him playing.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:33 PM

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The thing that burns me is this:

In their final 4 possessions of the first half, Minny won 8-0.
In their final 4 possessions of regulation, Minny won 4-0.
Five of those twelve points came on FTs.

In that 11% of the game as measured in time, Minny scored just under 25% of its points in regulation. 

Just a terrible team loss.  It's a worse loss than Virginia at home, IMO, given the stakes and circumstances.  I say that saying nothing about the opposition and everything about the way the team handled themselves.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:36 PM

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thanks for the points for digestion.

point #1 'misses the teams bus and stays in Madison, we win this game.' hilarious that this probably not an overstatement eek

anyhow the guard play was not winning especially from last shot in regulation through overtime. the thing though imo is that if experienced ball players make freethrows or inbounds the ball, things that are harder to deviate from, this game is OVER excited 

YAY for the W!!! excitedexcited

oops

this freethrow drama is entertaining i guess. maybe bo is going to tell the team to think 'the team still needs to win, the team still needs to win...' everytime at the line.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:39 PM

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EricTheeRed wrote:
stlbadger wrote: ETR would you switch Marshall / Jackson's minutes? #1 should have happened many, many games ago.
I would certainly give Marshall more minutes, if Tre continues to over-handle the ball.

The problem is that Marshall sometimes has a little "dribble and go nowhere" in him too.

Not only that but Marshall is pretty loose on the dribble.  He seems to dribble away from his body and always seems jumpy.  It makes me nervous.

1.  Jackson has 31 turnovers in Big Ten play and only 28 assists.  All three turnovers today were dribbling off himself.  I was like watching an MPS game.  That A:TO ratio has to be the worst of any PG in Bo's tenure.

2.  You might as well count every one of his drives and "prayer" layup attempts as turnovers too considering the fact that those balls had absolutely no chance of going in.  He didn't get the hint.

3.  There is no way in hell Jackson should ever shoot 14 times, six from three, with his shooting %.  After Evans being our #5 scoring option Jackson should be a close #4.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:41 PM

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We've been at this point for a while, and nothing has changed...I've lost faith that anything will.  He will continue to shoot and miss, and continue to get fouled near the end and miss.  Same story with Jackson too...giving the ball away every other play.  The only difference between this game and others that were close wins is that they each had a redeeming play or two that pushed the final score in our favor.

1. Ryan Evans played as bad of a game as I’ve seen in my years watching this team. He was a black hole on offense, loose with the ball, made some laughable mistakes, missed some easy shots and was garbage at the line. If Evans misses the team bus and stays in Madison, we win this game. I honestly think we might be to the point where Bo needs to pull out some tapes of Dennis Rodman and say to Evans “This is your role. You will rebound, defend and shoot uncontested layups. If someone passes the ball you will move it away quickly. You are offensive option #5.”



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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:44 PM

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What's interesting is that Marshall made a great play at the end of the Michigan State game only to miss the FT's.  That was a sign that the kid can make a play during crunch time and during a pressure situation.  I wonder what he would look like if he didn't have to play looking over his shoulder.  Even in his 6 starts he got pulled for every mistake he made. He got pulled tonight in one possession brought the ball up and the next time down was substituted out.  How do you get in a flow and how do you make the determination that he played poorly under those circumstances? 
EricTheeRed wrote:
stlbadger wrote: ETR would you switch Marshall / Jackson's minutes? #1 should have happened many, many games ago.
I would certainly give Marshall more minutes, if Tre continues to over-handle the ball.

The problem is that Marshall sometimes has a little "dribble and go nowhere" in him too.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:45 PM

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I thought Bruiser's charge was a block because his upper body was still sliding toward the defender. That makes the sideline mistake somewhat of a wash.

How about Frank giving the pump fake and driving the lane. Good body control for the big guy even though he didn't finish (I thought he was bumped).

What Evans should realize is that when he gets the ball in the post low, or drives the lane, the defense collapsing makes other players open. If he passes up an okay shot it would often give someone else a high percentage shot. Probe, see if you can get the defender out of position, pump fake, but if it isn't any easy look, pass it up.

Take away the poor free throw shooting this year, the terrible turnovers going the other way for easy buckets, and some questionable shot selection, and this team is pretty stinking good. Yeah, I know, that's a lot of stuff. Put another way, if you could throw in and experienced guard such as Gasser and play Dekker more now that he's gained some experience, that'd be a heck of a squad.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:47 PM

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good list ETR.
Marshall still seems to go and hide rather than start the offense when he is in there as point.
Dekker arguably best all round game of year, made 3's, scrapped on boards, got fouled, made fts: only got 22 minutes. Where's the justice in that?
Jordan Taylor sure spoiled me.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:56 PM

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bkybgr wrote: I thought Bruiser's charge was a block because his upper body was still sliding toward the defender. That makes the sideline mistake somewhat of a wash.

How about Frank giving the pump fake and driving the lane. Good body control for the big guy even though he didn't finish (I thought he was bumped).

What Evans should realize is that when he gets the ball in the post low, or drives the lane, the defense collapsing makes other players open. If he passes up an okay shot it would often give someone else a high percentage shot. Probe, see if you can get the defender out of position, pump fake, but if it isn't any easy look, pass it up.

Take away the poor free throw shooting this year, the terrible turnovers going the other way for easy buckets, and some questionable shot selection, and this team is pretty stinking good. Yeah, I know, that's a lot of stuff. Put another way, if you could throw in and experienced guard such as Gasser and play Dekker more now that he's gained some experience, that'd be a heck of a squad.
Really, that's the only thing you need to take away.  Still, this team is pretty stinking good as it is. When you have an elite level defense, you can get away with a lot of mediocrity on the other end.  I'm not sure if the defense can hold up like this outside of conference play when scouting reports aren't as fleshed out and guys aren't as familiar with the guys they're guarding, but it will still be awfully good.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:58 PM

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3.  Eric, you've been strangely quiet on the subject of how Dekker is being used.  That's unlike you.

Should Dekker get more minutes?

Should Dekker get more shots?

Is his defense sooooooooooo bad that Bo simply can't justify putting him on the floor more?

Do Sam's teammates recognize/utilize his talents in the best interest of the team?

Is all not well in Denmark?

I think Bo is being overly tough on an extremely talented freshman.  I'm sure he feels Dekker will be better going forward having learned lessons from this season.  I understand that.  But I feel Bo is somewhat sacrificing this season in an effort to teach those lessons.  I think Bo underestimates his own ability to develop players while still giving them minutes.  I also feel Bo can be overly loyal to seniors -- at the expense of overall team performance.

No one teaches defense or valuing the basketball better than Bo Rayn.  No one.  You can't argue with his results.  Still, it's frustrating to see the way he's used Dekker this season.  It's frustrating to see the seniors get minutes despite poor performance.  These are valid points for discussion despite what many zealots think.

IMHO, Bronson Koenig is in the same talent class as Dekker.  Having two players of this caliber on the same team is RARE.  I can certainly see Gasser and Brust being ahead of Bronson in the lineup.  But it would be a shame to see Bronson take a backseat to other guards simply because he is a freshman.  Hayes and Brown are also extremely talented.  This is the best incoming class in Bo's tenure, IMHO.  I just hope Bo lets these guys play and grow through their mistakes or next year's team won't reach its full potential.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:08 PM

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That's what I keep thinking.  Maybe I should give Jackson some slack because it's hard to compare to Taylor as far as taking care of the ball, but some of his turnovers...they look really bad!
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:12 PM

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What ever the official box score says, i bet the coaches have jackson for more than 3 turnovers.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:24 PM

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Missed the game but is Jackson being taught in game time how to become a point guard?  I think he has the most potential of the canidates.  Weird playing for 1st place in the conference.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:26 PM

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While we're talking about Jackson's turnovers, how about all of the times in recent games that he's handed the ball to the other team only to have them miss a lay up on the other end? It's getting ridiculous.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:34 PM

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badgerwatcher wrote: Missed the game but is Jackson being taught in game time how to become a point guard?  I think he has the most potential of the canidates.  Weird playing for 1st place in the conference.
Neither Jackson nor Marshall have any real potential at point guard, in my opinion. If Gasser and Koenig don't dominate the minutes there next season, I'll be shocked. Point guards are supposed to have vision (neither Jackson nor Marshall have any), a desire to create scoring opportunities for their teammates (Jackson goes into hero mode and Marshall is just clueless), ball security (Jackson's a disaster), and an understanding of how and when to probe a defense off the dribble (both horrible with Marshall being the worst). Beyond his stature, I don't see Marshall possessing any point guard qualities. In contrast, Koenig has everything that you'd look for.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:34 PM

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LANI01 wrote: 3.  Eric, you've been strangely quiet on the subject of how Dekker is being used.  That's unlike you.
I sorta stopped because it's been gone over enough.

If I were coach, Dekker would play 30+ minutes per game and be told that he has a 100% green light.

My opinion on his defense is that he's good enough and we need more scorers.

I do think his teammates recognize his talents and like him pretty well... but everyone is not 100% all in on him taking over the offense.

I can honestly say that if you took every Ryan Evans possession tonight and gave them to Sam and said "shoot the ball when you get 5 feet inside half court"... we would have scored more total points

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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:34 PM

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I am done talking about gasser, at this point it is completely irrelevant until next year. The players we have need to get their head out of their rear end. Everyone here is always pissed at Evans but I think Jackson is far worse. Sick of the constant dribbling off his foot and mishandling the ball by mid court. And usually it is followed by a stupid foul and then a benching. A couple minutes goes by, he checks back in and either does the same thing or takes a horrible shot.

Each player I believe needs to have what could be considered their own version of a money shot. Where on the court do you shoot the ball the best from. Get to that spot or as close as you can and let it go. For Jackson it is the elbow, he can make that. Instead he drives too far in, and either turns it over or gets his shot blocked.

Evans shot is a 15 foot jumper, not a turnaround fadeaway, not any kind of hook shot, not even an up and under. When does he ever finish at the rim? More often than not he's getting fouled and coming up empty at the line.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:37 PM

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panama74 wrote: While we're talking about Jackson's turnovers, how about all of the times in recent games that he's handed the ball to the other team only to have them miss a lay up on the other end? It's getting ridiculous.
Yea, it's pretty weird - missed dunk in the Illinois game, McGary last week, Mbakwe tonight.  All of them awful TOs but he gets lucky some haven't resulted in points the other way.

"It's why we don't make outlandish promises in recruiting, that you're going to be this, you're going to be that. We're up front with everybody in recruiting, so there's no reason to take on situations that are going to be detrimental to the team."  - Bo Ryan

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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:06 AM

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I was watching this at a bar so I didn't get any sound. One of the plays I didn't understand was when Coleman clanged a free throw, maybe in the 1st half, and the ball bounced back to him and he took a practice shot. To me that is an automatic technical foul, I think the ref may have issued a warning, but how in gods name can it be legal to shoot a practice free throw that doesn't count?
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:21 AM

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EricTheeRed wrote:
LANI01 wrote: 3.  Eric, you've been strangely quiet on the subject of how Dekker is being used.  That's unlike you.
I sorta stopped because it's been gone over enough.

If I were coach, Dekker would play 30+ minutes per game and be told that he has a 100% green light.

My opinion on his defense is that he's good enough and we need more scorers.

I do think his teammates recognize his talents and like him pretty well... but everyone is not 100% all in on him taking over the offense.

I can honestly say that if you took every Ryan Evans possession tonight and gave them to Sam and said "shoot the ball when you get 5 feet inside half court"... we would have scored more total points

I'm very much of the same mind.  The only difference is I would copy what someone else said about Evans:  pretend you're Dennis Rodman.  Rebound and defend like your life depended on it and only shoot when you're wide open inside 10 feet.  Sam needs to get Evan's shots and Bruiser's minutes.  That would make this team sooooooooo much better.  Hopefully Bo is coming around to the same conclusion.
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