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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:57 AM
Nigel Hayes in espn top 100
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:04 PM
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Bronson Koenig didn't make the list.
He has tumbled down the rankings since committing to Wisconsin; Bo must've really missed on that one.
(sarcasm)
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:26 PM
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The #1 rated recruit is a Canadian? To quote Vince Lombardi - "What the hell is going on out there?"
Good to see Coach Cal was able to scrape up a few D1 caliber guys for next year's team. You had to figure he planned on having Neol for 1 season so I wonder if that situation will change anything and impact any of these kids.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:27 PM
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Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:27 PM
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Surprising to me that Hayes is ahead of Brown. Obviously I'm just basing that on the highlight reels I've seen and the game statistics. Brown just seems to fill up a stat sheet more than Hayes. Perhaps Hayes just has more upside per the recruiting people.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:42 PM
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buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner. I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:47 PM
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Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. I'm not calling any misses. I won't doubt Bo - he knows what he wants/needs for his system. However 4 WI kids in the top 100 says more about the talent coming out of WI these days. Not to mention many of us think Koenig is better than the 4 listed in the top 100. It will be interesting following those 4 and comparing them to the WI recruits. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:47 PM
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Bronson's recruiting stock took a dive when he missed all that time with the injury. But the offer sheet don't lie - kid's a stud. You don't get offered by the likes of Duke, Kansas, and UNC without being top 100 (I mean, one of those schools might offer someone outside the top 100 but all three would never offer the same kid outside the top 100). He should be up there with the rest of the Wisconsin kids.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:53 PM
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Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. Jesperson and Dukan were in different classes. Someone on here posted after the UVA game that Jesperson is "just another guy" and I couldn't agree more. I think of Jarmusz as being the high end of his ceiling. Definitely not a recruiting miss. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:54 PM
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mwingb wrote: The #1 rated recruit is a Canadian? To quote Vince Lombardi - "What the hell is going on out there?"
Good to see Coach Cal was able to scrape up a few D1 caliber guys for next year's team. You had to figure he planned on having Neol for 1 season so I wonder if that situation will change anything and impact any of these kids. He has Elite NBA potential. Having seen him play on TV and such he's one of the best athletes i've ever seen. 44 inch vertical and a good base of skills. Best high school prospect since Lebron. Oh and he reclassified up a grade as well.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:27 PM
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Hold on there, there is no reason to question Bo's coaching, but his recruiting? Come on now, I'd take Jesperson over Dukan ANY day of the week. He's not infallible when it comes to recruiting. Especially with years past...lately he's been doing better. Coaching on the other hand, I'll hold him in the HIGHEST regard. buckynation wrote:
Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. I'm not calling any misses. I won't doubt Bo - he knows what he wants/needs for his system. However 4 WI kids in the top 100 says more about the talent coming out of WI these days. Not to mention many of us think Koenig is better than the 4 listed in the top 100.
It will be interesting following those 4 and comparing them to the WI recruits. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:56 PM
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SuperBadger wrote: Hold on there, there is no reason to question Bo's coaching, but his recruiting? Come on now, I'd take Jesperson over Dukan ANY day of the week. He's not infallible when it comes to recruiting. Especially with years past...lately he's been doing better. Coaching on the other hand, I'll hold him in the HIGHEST regard.
buckynation wrote:
Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. I'm not calling any misses. I won't doubt Bo - he knows what he wants/needs for his system. However 4 WI kids in the top 100 says more about the talent coming out of WI these days. Not to mention many of us think Koenig is better than the 4 listed in the top 100.
It will be interesting following those 4 and comparing them to the WI recruits. EVERY team will have some misses however Bo is a good recruiter - just because a recruiting site doesn't have a player in the top 100 doesn't mean they aren't good. I think Bo's recruiting is very underrated. How many games has Bruiser won in his career versus Williams at MN? How about that kid Jordan Taylor? Leuer? Tucker? I can go on and on. Just because they aren't highly regarded by "recruiting experts" doesn't mean they aren't good. Why did Steph Curry end up at Davidson? Unless the kid is from WI UW isn't going to out recruit Duke, UNC, Kentucky etc. Simply isn't going to happen so why try? Bo goes out and finds kids that will fit his system and he is amazing at doing so. I get the impression that many people have the opinion that Bo takes recruiting leftovers and makes diamonds out of them. I would argue that he targets a certain type of kid - gets his list together - evaluates them and offers them in order of priority. Trys to get them on board as soon as possible ala Dekker, Koenig, Happ - if the top targets do not come aboard such as Semi - then the next kids in line get offers such as Brown. Some of the "plan B" kids will pan out and some won't but in general I think Bo and his staff have such a keen recruiting eye that their list is deeper than most and most turn out fine. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 3:04 PM
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good take Nation.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 3:04 PM
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SuperBadger wrote: Hold on there, there is no reason to question Bo's coaching, but his recruiting? Come on now, I'd take Jesperson over Dukan ANY day of the week. He's not infallible when it comes to recruiting. Especially with years past...lately he's been doing better. Coaching on the other hand, I'll hold him in the HIGHEST regard.
buckynation wrote:
Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. I'm not calling any misses. I won't doubt Bo - he knows what he wants/needs for his system. However 4 WI kids in the top 100 says more about the talent coming out of WI these days. Not to mention many of us think Koenig is better than the 4 listed in the top 100.
It will be interesting following those 4 and comparing them to the WI recruits. 1. As the other poster noted, I believe Dukan and Jesperson were not in the same class, so its apples vs oranges 2. As HS players they did not project to play the same position, one is a forward and the other a off guard.. Yes, they have some similar skills, but they are also dissimilar. 3. In 2010, if Jesperson had been a senior that year, Wis took Brust and Gassar as the guards. Which of those two would you give up today for Jesperson? 4. In 2011, Wis took Marshall and Jackson as it guards, which of those two would you give up for Jesperson, especially after having seen how Brust and Gasser played the year before? It is not a simply as saying Dukan has not played well yet so we should have taken Jesperson. Coaches have to recruit based on what they have, and what they need. If they just recruit purely the best BB player you have a chance of having a team of too many guards and while that might make for some interesting moments, it is not a way to build a long-term successful program. Jesperson despite his height did not project in HS as a young man that could be a successful B10 forward. The B10 is very physical and in HS his game did not have that look. He is now a nice player and under the right circumstances might have fit a need Wis could have had. Just not in 2010/11 when he was a senior Go Badgers |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:00 PM
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BlindlyBucky wrote: Bronson Koenig didn't make the list.
He has tumbled down the rankings since committing to Wisconsin; Bo must've really missed on that one.
(sarcasm) Ya, and i think that espn felt the cold slap in the face when Koenig the Magnificant told their boy, ROY toy NO! Heartbreak city for Dickie V and the entire ACC espn staff. (sarcasm)
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:26 PM
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Kentucky has 5 in the top 18, must be nice but there paying for it this year
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:58 PM
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Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. I don't agree with that last part at all for a couple of reasons. 1. Jesperson is a Sophmore and what exactly has he done? He's 7th in scoring for Virginia at 4.8 points per game in a very VERY down ACC. Statistically he really isn't good at anything and his shooting % is at .379. Defensively he's alright, but I wouldn't say he's amazing. 2. Jesperson would not have gotten any minutes over Evans, Bruiser, Dekker or Kaminsky. He sure as hell wouldn't have taken minutes from Brust. He'd probably be doing the exact same thing on our team as Dukan does right now, redshirt/sitting on bench. 3. People have complained about Dukans size, yet Jesperson is equally if not more of a string bean. 4. Regardless of what people say on this board, we'll have no idea what we have out of Dukan until next year. I for one thing He'll be a decent contributer. 5. This is why I might be biased against Jesperson. My buddy played for UW Marathon-County and many of those players and some of the better high schoolers in the area played in an open gym. My buddy and Jesperson gaurded each other and my buddy completely dominated him defensively and offensively. It wasn't even close. Now I understand Jesperson was just a high school kid, but I find it hard to believe my friend playing for Marathon county could dominate most kids going to major D-1 programs. I feel bad for railing on Jesperson, but there is absolutely no reason to think we missed out on anything at this point. If anything at this point it's a wash at best. This could all change in the future obviously, right now that's where I stand.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:10 PM
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Noticed there aren't any top 100 going to MSU. Very surprising. Maybe they have a few BK's of their own that were left out?
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:54 PM
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I wouldn't trade Bronson for any of the other 4 Wis kids. Thats not a slap at them in any way.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:55 PM
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I love how they still have Vitto at 2 star. They just look totally incompetent.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:26 PM
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JamaicanJake wrote:
mwingb wrote: The #1 rated recruit is a Canadian? To quote Vince Lombardi - "What the hell is going on out there?"
Good to see Coach Cal was able to scrape up a few D1 caliber guys for next year's team. You had to figure he planned on having Neol for 1 season so I wonder if that situation will change anything and impact any of these kids. He has Elite NBA potential. Having seen him play on TV and such he's one of the best athletes i've ever seen. 44 inch vertical and a good base of skills. Best high school prospect since Lebron. Oh and he reclassified up a grade as well. Was his height measured with or without the skates? "It's a great day to be great!" Greg Jennings 2/6/11
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:35 PM
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mwingb wrote:
JamaicanJake wrote:
mwingb wrote: The #1 rated recruit is a Canadian? To quote Vince Lombardi - "What the hell is going on out there?"
Good to see Coach Cal was able to scrape up a few D1 caliber guys for next year's team. You had to figure he planned on having Neol for 1 season so I wonder if that situation will change anything and impact any of these kids. He has Elite NBA potential. Having seen him play on TV and such he's one of the best athletes i've ever seen. 44 inch vertical and a good base of skills. Best high school prospect since Lebron. Oh and he reclassified up a grade as well. Was his height measured with or without the skates? No clue. He looks 6'7 tho and he's got long limbs as well. If you watch one highlight video the rest of your life watch this one. :40 is perhaps the highest i've ever seen anyone jump. Wiggins
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:59 AM
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Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. In my humble opinion Koenig is the best player in the state period. His athleticism, skill, and defense combined sets him apart. I do not consider having 'missed' on Matt Thomas a big deal. I don't think he will have the big impact like Scott Christopherson did because I don't believe he is as athletic as Scott and his defensive capability is a liability. I have seen him play plenty and he has been shut down by good defenders as well. We are fortunate to have landed Koenig regardless of the stupidity of the people who do rankings. I consider this to be an injustice though to not have him ranked at least as high as the other four. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:13 PM
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Four kids in the top 100 and we can't get even one? sheessh!!! I sure hope that trend doesn't continue into 2014 and 2015. Looks like someone left the gate open on that fence around the state!
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:11 PM
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mudcannon wrote: Surprising to me that Hayes is ahead of Brown. Obviously I'm just basing that on the highlight reels I've seen and the game statistics. Brown just seems to fill up a stat sheet more than Hayes. Perhaps Hayes just has more upside per the recruiting people. i think it's mostly cuz Hayes plays on a better HS team against a better HS division than Brown and Hayes also plays on a higher profile AAU team. talent-wise it's probably a wash though Hayes may have more upside in that he could more readily develop into a SF than Brown in which case Nigel's height and length would be great for that position whereas Brown has about average height for a power forward/post player. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:14 PM
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GCbadger wrote: Noticed there aren't any top 100 going to MSU. Very surprising. Maybe they have a few BK's of their own that were left out? MSU currently doesn't have any 2013 commits. they don't have a ton of openings and most of their eggs were in the Jabari Parker basket. unless Drake Harris sticks to basketball (and it sounds like he's leaning towards focusing on football), they also don't have any 2014 recruits yet. will be very interesting to see who Izzo looks to add now they have a little more room with the Kearney transfer. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:17 PM
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did UW go after Fischer much? it's weird to me that you guys needed bigs and this Wisconsin kid's going to IU. he very much looks like a Bo Ryan Badger-type to me.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:29 PM
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nomatta wrote: did UW go after Fischer much? it's weird to me that you guys needed bigs and this Wisconsin kid's going to IU. he very much looks like a Bo Ryan Badger-type to me. Nope...maybe very late in the game, but that may have just been gauging interest. Bo went the undersized mobile route this round.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:41 PM
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badmofo18 wrote:
Bucky10 wrote:
buckynation wrote:Wisconsin kids:
Deonte Burton 49
Matt Thomas 51
Duane Wilson 55
Luke Fischer 67 Of that group the only real miss is Matt Thomas. I know UWOle was frustrated by UW's lack of interest and by the time we got in on the game it was too late. Never know if it would have made a difference anyway, but you have to think recruiting him harder from the start would have probably landed him at UW. Burton and Wilson were never coming to UW and Fischer is one of those kids who developed nicely and IU got lucky on that front. I don't blame the staff for not offering sooner.
I also think we missed on Paul Jesperson for the 2011 class, but you can't win them all. In hindsight having Jesperson and not having Dukan would be a great trade. In my humble opinion Koenig is the best player in the state period. His athleticism, skill, and defense combined sets him apart. I do not consider having 'missed' on Matt Thomas a big deal. No school was going to get both Thomas and Koenig. And I'll leave it at that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:00 PM
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nomatta wrote: did UW go after Fischer much? it's weird to me that you guys needed bigs and this Wisconsin kid's going to IU. he very much looks like a Bo Ryan Badger-type to me. Not getting Fischer will come back to haunt us. His game has gotten so much better. He's the leader of a top 25 national team and they are on a 50+ game win streak. He's good. |
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