|
Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situation?
|
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:28 PM
Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situation?
Can I not only ask why he was on the court, but why he was breaking for the ball and why Brusewitz threw it to him?
I mean is he the guy you want icing the game at the line? Even if it was a mistake by Ryan not knowing how many fouls there were, shouldn't Brusewitz be getting someone else the ball?
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:29 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
blockm2 wrote: Can I not only ask why he was on the court, but why he was breaking for the ball and why Brusewitz threw it to him?
I mean is he the guy you want icing the game at the line? NO!!!!Even if it was a mistake by Ryan not knowing how many fouls there were, shouldn't Brusewitz be getting someone else the ball? YES!!!! |
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:31 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:31 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
---------------------------------------------
--- blockm2 wrote:
Can I not only ask why he was on the court, but why he was breaking for the ball and why Brusewitz threw it to him?
I mean is he the guy you want icing the game at the line? Even if it was a mistake by Ryan not knowing how many fouls there were, shouldn't Brusewitz be getting someone else the ball?
---------------------------------------------
Bo looked into his eyes and he said he would make it I'm sure....
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:33 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Obvious coaching mistake, I was screaming at my TV when he subbed Dekker out and Evans in. I have no idea for the rationale, nor at this point do I honestly care. This is one of the few times were let's ignore the mistakes and enjoy it. I have devoutly watched this team for the last 15 years and I can not recall a game like this. I am never one to really to do this, but for once let's not criticize at least for a day and enjoy the awesomeness of this game.
Last edited 2/9/2013 1:34 PM by IMustBreakYou
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:33 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
I would have thrown deep to a guard and run some clock and then have either Jackson or Brust at the line. However, Bruiser might have been gun shy from his short pass vs. Iowa in OT earlier this week?
I can only hope that Bo assumed we were in the bonus before the in-bounds, but then an assistant coach should have reminded him.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:36 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
IMustBreakYou wrote: Obvious coaching mistake, I was screaming at my TV when he subbed Dekker out and Evans in. I have no idea for the rationale, nor at this point do I honestly care. This is one of the few times were let's ignore the mistakes and enjoy it. I have devoutly watched this team for the last 15 years and I can not recall a game like this. I am never one to really to do this, but for once let's not criticize at least for a day and enjoy the awesomeness of this game. Right there with you. Both coaches made decisions they want back. Twas a wacky game all around....Hardaway on the floor with 5 fouls???? Hardaway hitting a 25 footer with Bruesewitz draped all over him? Then Brust's buzzer beater. Just an incredible and strange game but its a win!!!!
On Wisconsin!
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:37 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
BleacherBadger wrote:
I can only hope that Bo assumed we were in the bonus before the in-bounds, but then an assistant coach should have reminded him. Dekker seemed to tell Bo this and was ready to go back in. Then Bo sat him down. Can a player sub in for a player and then immediately sub right back for that same player? It's the only excuse I can think of. |
|
Reply |
Quote |
- ATPants
- Walk-On
- 396 posts this site
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:38 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
---------------------------------------------
--- BleacherBadger wrote:
I would have thrown deep to a guard and run some clock and then have either Jackson or Brust at the line. However, Bruiser might have been gun shy from his short pass vs. Iowa in OT earlier this week?
I can only hope that Bo assumed we were in the bonus before the in-bounds, but then an assistant coach should have reminded him.
---------------------------------------------
At the game, looked like Bo thought it was bonus and put Evans in. Then realized it wasn't but couldn't undo the sub. Got lucky, great game.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:39 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
Agree that was categorically insane, trying not to think about it right now.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:40 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
According to Dakitch's perspective, both coaches thought the Berg foul put UW in the bonus and they substituted based on that.
Don't believe what you read on internet message boards - that's what started WWI.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
- kowitzc
- Senior
- 6463 posts this site
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:43 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. #1 was not a mistake. The shot was a fade away with a hand in his face. Kid made a great shot. You cannot tell me you have a problem with limiting Michigan to a shot that is essentially a prayer at that point.
George2k5 wrote: This game is over.
mcx99 wrote: Now we are seeing the real Wisconsin team. Still haven't learned how to finish off an opponent.
---
Said after Nebraska pulled within 14-10 in B1G Title Game. UW went on to win 70-31.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:46 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
--------------------------------------------- --- kowitzc wrote: CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. #1 was not a mistake. The shot was a fade away with a hand in his face. Kid made a great shot. You cannot tell me you have a problem with limiting Michigan to a shot that is essentially a prayer at that point. --------------------------------------------- You can repost the same message a hundred times and you'll still be wrong. |
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:47 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Bo thinking that was the 7th foul would seem to be the rationale that makes the most sense.
I can't fault Evans. I don't think they had a timeout remaining and so all of the 4 players on the floor have to do whatever they can to get separation and prevent a 5 second violation.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
- kowitzc
- Senior
- 6463 posts this site
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:50 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
BuckyFanDan wrote:
---------------------------------------------
--- kowitzc wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. #1 was not a mistake. The shot was a fade away with a hand in his face. Kid made a great shot. You cannot tell me you have a problem with limiting Michigan to a shot that is essentially a prayer at that point.
---------------------------------------------
You can repost the same message a hundred times and you'll still be wrong. But I am not wrong. And I have those that agree with me. YOu can keep saying they should have fouled, but I will simply point out the game at Michigan last season that proves you wrong. Basically, you can post that I am wrong a 100 times and you'll still look stupid.
George2k5 wrote: This game is over.
mcx99 wrote: Now we are seeing the real Wisconsin team. Still haven't learned how to finish off an opponent.
---
Said after Nebraska pulled within 14-10 in B1G Title Game. UW went on to win 70-31.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:52 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Great win, and fortunately things worked out in the end, but one thing I have had a problem understanding in many games is this: you get the ball with a minute left in the first or second half, and while at any other time you might use most of the 35 seconds, in this situation, if you take a decent shot in 15 seconds, maybe even an open 3-pointer, then you are going to get the ball back for a final shot, in other words, two for one, but we always wait until less than 35 seconds are left, sometimes even taking a forced shot with 1 second left on the shot clock, passing up on the possibility of a final extra shot. In games like this that extra shot can make a difference.
Last edited 2/9/2013 1:58 PM by dcamp
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:52 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Mich should of had a man on the ball and not let Mike play QB. or run a breakout if you want Hockey talk.
trans. Put a man on the ball.
#1 4 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:54 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
At the end of regulation it looked to me like bruesewitz did take the foul, he chopped down on hardaways ARM before the shot but the ref let it go.
Evans in the game on the last in bound was bad enough, then they compounded it by actually throwing it to him, and almost turned it over in the process. The only thing I can explain on that one is that dekker had been loose with the ball all game, but still seems like a bad choice. Maybe because they had no time outs and knew Michigan would probably leave him open to take the pass so we wouldn't get five second call, but that's really grasping for straws. Give him a break, he's getting old.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 1:59 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
Might actually be that the lack of a time out and the possibility, or in our case most likely case of missing the one and one means you can't get your best defender in there for the last sequence. We only have one starter over 70% from the line so in any case a miss is not unexpected. Still I doubt that much analysis went into it and its a self fulfilling prophecy putting a 40% FT shooter in there.
At least he hit the rim.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 2:20 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
I just watched that sequence again on DVR. It looked like Bo clearly said to the ref, "He told me it was a one-and-one, that's why I took him out."
Regardless, I am too happy to care about coaching mistakes right now! I plan on wearing my Badger gear out to the bars tonight in Ann Arbor :)
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 2:21 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. Bo's explanation of #1. |
|
Reply |
Quote |
- rekim
 - Junior
- 3330 posts this site
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 2:22 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
After the game I wonderd if Bo's rationale might have been that he wanted Evans on the floor for his defense against a last shot by Michigan more than he wanted Dekker in the game for FTs since Sam is not that stellar from the line either.
He knew we had a 3 point lead at minimum and that they would need to make a trey to tie.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 2:38 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
I agree with Bo on the riskiness of fouling at the end. Remember the Michigan game two years ago when Gasser banked in the three? Well Michigan had fouls to give before hand, and used them by fouling Jordan Taylor. On the second and third time they fouled, Jordan went in to a shooting motion. Granted they didn't give him the continuation, but when a player knows he is about to be fouled he can put the ref to a tough decision by going up for a shot.
Also, it's really hard to perfectly time your fouls and leave little time on the clock. Going back to the example from 2 years ago, we still had time for Taylor to dribble twice and pass it to Gasser for the three.
Finally, a small side effect to using your fouls is if/when it goes to OT Michigan would be instantly in the bonus (not that it mattered in this game).
Last edited 2/9/2013 4:53 PM by MeNoMonieBadger
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 3:46 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Why not have Evans inbound it? It seems obvious that Bo didn't want him in the game and that he thought we were in the bonus. If don't don't want him on the line at that point have him throw it in.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 3:50 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
Okay, I just got home and was able to see the replay on TV for the first time... How come nobody mentioned at the end of regulation that Bruiser DID foul Hardaway before he shot? Refs didn't call it, but he slapped down pretty hard over both arms as Hardaway dribbled to the left...
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 3:59 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
I think they were trying to foul at the end of regulation. Bruiser clearly fouled Hardaway and it was not called. I was at the game and it sure seemed like Bo thought they were in the bonus in OT based on the reaction of Dekker and the bench. Regarding the pass to Evans in that situation, that was not their intent but nobody was open and he was the only one to make a strong cut to the passer. They could not take a 5 second call there.
It does not really matter - we won the game! |
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 4:25 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
--------------------------------------------- --- kowitzc wrote: BuckyFanDan wrote:
---------------------------------------------
--- kowitzc wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. #1 was not a mistake. The shot was a fade away with a hand in his face. Kid made a great shot. You cannot tell me you have a problem with limiting Michigan to a shot that is essentially a prayer at that point.
---------------------------------------------
You can repost the same message a hundred times and you'll still be wrong. But I am not wrong. And I have those that agree with me. YOu can keep saying they should have fouled, but I will simply point out the game at Michigan last season that proves you wrong. Basically, you can post that I am wrong a 100 times and you'll still look stupid. --------------------------------------------- You're a fool. Again. I got the shotgun....you got the briefcase......all in the game though
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 4:34 PM
RE: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1 situat
briangoodisquick wrote:
---------------------------------------------
--- kowitzc wrote:
BuckyFanDan wrote:
---------------------------------------------
--- kowitzc wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote: Two big mistakes by Bo today.
1. Not fouling with all those fouls to give at the end of regulation.
2. Having Evans anywhere near the ball. I realize last game he drained them, but that's playing with fire, and, quite frankly, it's just a bad coaching decision (oh wait, I forgot, I shouldn't say that since I'm a "Bo is God" poster, right?).
Either mistake could have cost us the game, but luckily we escaped. #1 was not a mistake. The shot was a fade away with a hand in his face. Kid made a great shot. You cannot tell me you have a problem with limiting Michigan to a shot that is essentially a prayer at that point.
---------------------------------------------
You can repost the same message a hundred times and you'll still be wrong. But I am not wrong. And I have those that agree with me. YOu can keep saying they should have fouled, but I will simply point out the game at Michigan last season that proves you wrong.
Basically, you can post that I am wrong a 100 times and you'll still look stupid.
---------------------------------------------
You're a fool.
Again. I don't think he is at all. We weren't up...we were tied. 1. The intent was to foul if advantage was gained on a drive (unlikely a shot is going up). Advantage was gained, and Bruiser raked Hardaway's arms, no foul called. 2. What would be immensely more dumb is putting a guy at the line to shoot three free ones in a tie game rather than a contested and off balance DEEP three. 3. I have never been a fan of the intentional foul unless it's a situation when you're up three or more. |
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 4:40 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
Once the game got below 10 seconds, there's no reason not to foul 3 times. It essentially runs out the clock right there.
Additionally, maybe an aggressive play leads to a steal and a break away to win the game.
Had Brust's miracle heave not gone in, the decision not to foul would have lost the game for us.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
|
|
Posted: 2/9/2013 4:44 PM
Re: Ryan Evans on the court with 3 point lead and 1 and 1
TerraceChair wrote: Once the game got below 10 seconds, there's no reason not to foul 3 times. It essentially runs out the clock right there.
Additionally, maybe an aggressive play leads to a steal and a break away to win the game.
Had Brust's miracle heave not gone in, the decision not to foul would have lost the game for us. Watch ESPN's post-game interview with Bo. He makes it very clear that the plan was not to foul as long as the defender kept his player in front of him, but to use one if he got a step on the defender on the bounce. Bruiser did exactly this but the foul wasn't called.
|
|
Reply |
Quote |
