If you go straight to the forums as I usually do, then you probably missed this:

http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/1263223.html

It's a free article with some pretty funny anecdotes.  Brett's experiences, even as a walk-on, are something I would not hesitate to give up a testicle for.




***Edited to spell Brett's last name correctly.  Sorry Brett!

great read
insider's look at the inside
thanks for posting

Well done by Brett.  It's Valentyn, by the way, not Valentine.

Nice insight into the fact the players get a kick out of the animosity from the opposing students.

Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

Wait for it...

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

And there it is. The "that wouldn't work/go over well at Wisconsin" thing.

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--- EricTheeRed wrote:

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

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You can go there when a program has hit the bottom and you want to pick up ticket sales. It wouldn't work now for two reasons, no way you move current season ticket holders for students and lose all the ticket revenue and per seat scholarship fees, you can't do it with the student bunch that we currently there. Why would you move students who rarely fill their section?

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--- FireMarshalBill wrote:

If you go straight to the forums as I usually do, then you probably missed this:

wisconsin.scout.com/2/1263223.html

It's a free article with some pretty funny anecdotes.  Brett's experiences, even as a walk-on, are something I would not hesitate to give up a testicle for.

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EricTheeRed wrote:

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

You should ask the fans of every other Big Ten team, who all think our student section shows up earlier, shows up more reliably, is louder, and all around better than their own student section.

jeffwax1 wrote:

EricTheeRed wrote:

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

You should ask the fans of every other Big Ten team, who all think our student section shows up earlier, shows up more reliably, is louder, and all around better than their own student section.

Having imbibed my morning dose of hyperbole, who are you talking about?

If Wisconsin moved the student section to the side more students would go. Idk why anyone would think it wouldnt. You put the students right near the action and theirs less to distract them from the game.

DonDeville wrote: If Wisconsin moved the student section to the side more students would go. Idk why anyone would think it wouldnt. You put the students right near the action and theirs less to distract them from the game.

Got it... so if a group of people doesn't want to go to a game, just give them better seats that belong to the people who do go and hope they show up. Great plan.

Here is the UW student section at tip-off for a game versus ranked Illinois.

Everyone knows he has a skewed view with a motive.  Anyone that watches games
with the student seating court side will verify that a great amount of energy is generated by the system.  If students are given access to these seats they will show up, period.  Second level behind the backboard and nose bleed seats are more the issue of no shows.

Activebadger wrote: And there it is. The "that wouldn't work/go over well at Wisconsin" thing.

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--- EricTheeRed wrote:

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

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Yes, give them the tickets.  The 90% no noise fan area could use a home court advantage upgrade.  The Fieldhouse court side did not seem to have this problem. 

EricTheeRed wrote:

DonDeville wrote: If Wisconsin moved the student section to the side more students would go. Idk why anyone would think it wouldnt. You put the students right near the action and theirs less to distract them from the game.

Got it... so if a group of people doesn't want to go to a game, just give them better seats that belong to the people who do go and hope they show up. Great plan.

Here is the UW student section at tip-off for a game versus ranked Illinois.

NCBadger wrote:

jeffwax1 wrote:

EricTheeRed wrote:

FrontRowJBo wrote: Just gonna leave this here:

"However, the atmosphere of the arena has greatly improved ever since part of the student section was moved to the side of the court behind the benches. Having a fan scream foul things right over your shoulder is a lot more audible than this fan trying to yell this things from behind the hoop."

How much noise would an empty seat make? Because that's what you'd hear for 90% of games at the Kohl Center.

You should ask the fans of every other Big Ten team, who all think our student section shows up earlier, shows up more reliably, is louder, and all around better than their own student section.

Having imbibed my morning dose of hyperbole, who are you talking about?

Go on the message board of any other team. They ALL have the exact same complaints about their own student section. Every fan base has a bunch of cranky old men who swear that the younger generation just doesn't care, doesn't show up, and is the worst in all of college sports. And every time a team plays at Wisconsin, there are fans that go online and complain how much better our student section is than theirs... just as every time we play a road game some cranky old guys come on here and complain about how the opposing student section is better than ours.

The only conclusion one can come to is that cranky old men are incapable of objectively rating their own school's student section, and are going to whine that they're the worst no matter what.

EricTheeRed wrote:

DonDeville wrote: If Wisconsin moved the student section to the side more students would go. Idk why anyone would think it wouldnt. You put the students right near the action and theirs less to distract them from the game.

Got it... so if a group of people doesn't want to go to a game, just give them better seats that belong to the people who do go and hope they show up. Great plan.

Here is the UW student section at tip-off for a game versus ranked Illinois.

And here are two links that might help everyone else realize how ridiculous it is to use that as your 'evidence'.

As someone who originally argued vehemently for students being courtside and changed my opinion based on facts I can see people wasting there time again with this subject. It has nothing to do with cranky old men. Has to do with revenue and lack of student support and organization when the timing was right.

And I am sure the student tickets would then become the same price as regular fans are currently paying. 
I am sure the student tickets would then also pay the "extra" fee.
I am sure the guy at center court that has supported the program for 40 plus years, good and bad will suddenly move to the 2nd deck behind the basket.
I am sure the students will suddenly fill the stands for games vs. Eastern Middle Georgia State on a Monday night in November.

Gee, the only games the students care about are if the Badgers play Duke or Michigan State.  And playing them 10 times each at the Kohl Center is not going to happen. 

Shampoo4U wrote: And I am sure the student tickets would then become the same price as regular fans are currently paying. 
I am sure the student tickets would then also pay the "extra" fee.
I am sure the guy at center court that has supported the program for 40 plus years, good and bad will suddenly move to the 2nd deck behind the basket.
I am sure the students will suddenly fill the stands for games vs. Eastern Middle Georgia State on a Monday night in November.

Gee, the only games the students care about are if the Badgers play Duke or Michigan State.  And playing them 10 times each at the Kohl Center is not going to happen. 

Yeah, young people suck. In your day, the entire student body went to every single game - even road games! Of course, there were no cars yet, so everybody would take off a week of classes and they'd just WALK to Columbus or Ann Arbor! And there were no shoes yet, so the entire student body was trained to kill animals and use their skins to make temporary snow shoes! And back then, the students cared so much that they actually PAID more to go to games than rich alumni.

Man, those were the good old days!

EricTheeRed wrote:

Here is the UW student section at tip-off for a game versus ranked Illinois.

I noticed that section being mostly empty for one of the other games -- Minnesota, I think.  I assumed it must be reserved for something other than general student seating.

By the way, EricTheeRed, I hope you realize that when YOU were a student, the old cranks all thought you YOUR class of students was the worst ever, never showed up for games, and should have their tickets revoked for old people. And I'm sure that when those old people were students, the previous old generations felt the same about them.


It's not news that old people think that the younger generation is lazy, doesn't care, doesn't try hard enough, doesn't appreciate things, etc. It's been the case for hundreds of thousands of years. It says a lot more about human psychology than anything else.

Who knows what people thought back then. At least the students had a reason to do something different - the team struggled to win games. Today's student attendance is bad because?

The time to do this was when they opened the Kohl Center. It is too late now.

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--- jeffwax1 wrote:

By the way, EricTheeRed, I hope you realize that when YOU were a student, the old cranks all thought you YOUR class of students was the worst ever, never showed up for games, and should have their tickets revoked for old people. And I'm sure that when those old people were students, the previous old generations felt the same about them.


It's not news that old people think that the younger generation is lazy, doesn't care, doesn't try hard enough, doesn't appreciate things, etc. It's been the case for hundreds of thousands of years. It says a lot more about human psychology than anything else.

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xmcapt2 wrote: Who knows what people thought back then. At least the students had a reason to do something different - the team struggled to win games. Today's student attendance is bad because?

The time to do this was when they opened the Kohl Center. It is too late now.

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--- jeffwax1 wrote:

By the way, EricTheeRed, I hope you realize that when YOU were a student, the old cranks all thought you YOUR class of students was the worst ever, never showed up for games, and should have their tickets revoked for old people. And I'm sure that when those old people were students, the previous old generations felt the same about them.


It's not news that old people think that the younger generation is lazy, doesn't care, doesn't try hard enough, doesn't appreciate things, etc. It's been the case for hundreds of thousands of years. It says a lot more about human psychology than anything else.

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But it wasn't too late when OSU did it?

Back in our "stone age" days, we didn't have the internet message boards, so I don't know what people old and young thought-- they just showed up to the games and were happy to be in the Fieldhouse, anywhere.

And actually NO, we didn't have the feeling that we were "entitled" to everything that the young of today think they are entitled.  We looked at the situation and thought, someday if I work hard, I will be fortunate to have a court side seat-- not I want one, give me one.

xmcapt2 wrote: Who knows what people thought back then. At least the students had a reason to do something different - the team struggled to win games. Today's student attendance is bad because?

The time to do this was when they opened the Kohl Center. It is too late now.

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--- jeffwax1 wrote:

By the way, EricTheeRed, I hope you realize that when YOU were a student, the old cranks all thought you YOUR class of students was the worst ever, never showed up for games, and should have their tickets revoked for old people. And I'm sure that when those old people were students, the previous old generations felt the same about them.


It's not news that old people think that the younger generation is lazy, doesn't care, doesn't try hard enough, doesn't appreciate things, etc. It's been the case for hundreds of thousands of years. It says a lot more about human psychology than anything else.

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I can assure you that if there were message boards in 1962 or 1993, they'd have been filled with old men complaining that THEY always showed up even when the team stunk, but now these young kids can't even bother to show up for a winning team!

Why? Because human nature doesn't change over 20 or 50 years. Humans really haven't changed much in the past 10,000 years or so - only the mediums within which old people can whine about young people.

Ok, you win.  Schools where students sit court side are wrong.  The money is more important.  I wonder what the players prefer.  BV seems to approve.  Revenue might increase with better marketing of the suites.       

Shampoo4U wrote: And I am sure the student tickets would then become the same price as regular fans are currently paying. 
I am sure the student tickets would then also pay the "extra" fee.
I am sure the guy at center court that has supported the program for 40 plus years, good and bad will suddenly move to the 2nd deck behind the basket.
I am sure the students will suddenly fill the stands for games vs. Eastern Middle Georgia State on a Monday night in November.

Gee, the only games the students care about are if the Badgers play Duke or Michigan State.  And playing them 10 times each at the Kohl Center is not going to happen. 

Take young or old out of it.

- The students pay the least amount of money for their seats
- The student section consistently has the most empty seats. The equivalent seats on the opposite end of the floor are always more full.

Argument over.

They should give the students the court side seats on principle. If they choose not to fill them so be it. End of argument.

EricTheeRed wrote: Take young or old out of it.

- The students pay the least amount of money for their seats
- The student section consistently has the most empty seats. The equivalent seats on the opposite end of the floor are always more full.

Argument over.

Can someone clarify for me how they're filling in student section seats this year? Is it first-come, first-served for each game? Or are they back to having assigned seats for the entire season?

From what I seem to see, they must have a voucher that they turn in at gate for a ticket.  They can choose to go in about 3 different lines or request different locations (2 lines might be for 100 section and 3rd line might be for 200 section). 
Then they get their ticket and go to seat after stopping in Badger Grille. 
Don't know if they have 1/2 season tickets or whole.  The only game that has been worth talking about has been the Michigan State game.  Otherwise plenty of room.  It will be interesting to see if there is any interest in Michigan this Saturday with the 11am start. 
And yes, my seat on the opposite side of the student section is just fine.