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Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
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Posted: 1/21/2013 7:46 PM
Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
@ Wisconsin -6 vs. #13 Michigan State (6:00pm, ESPN)
Illinois -3.5 vs. @ Nebraska (7:30pm, Big Ten Network)
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:43 PM
Re: Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
Wonder if Vegas knows that George Marshll is sick.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:51 PM
Re: Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
DanG82 wrote: @ Wisconsin -6 vs. #13 Michigan State (6:00pm, ESPN)
Illinois -3.5 vs. @ Nebraska (7:30pm, Big Ten Network) If George Marshall is out I really like Michigan State +6. With Frank Kaminsky already on the sidelines depth will be in issue for Wisconsin. I Hope I am wrong, and would never bet against my team, but MSU getting 6 is great value.
Last edited 1/21/2013 8:52 PM by IMustBreakYou
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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:56 PM
Re: Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
IMustBreakYou wrote:
DanG82 wrote: @ Wisconsin -6 vs. #13 Michigan State (6:00pm, ESPN)
Illinois -3.5 vs. @ Nebraska (7:30pm, Big Ten Network)
If George Marshall is out I really like Michigan State +6. With Frank Kaminsky already on the sidelines depth will be in issue for Wisconsin. I Hope I am wrong, and would never bet against my team, but MSU getting 6 is great value. +1......I am guessing the line will tighten a bit before gametime. More like -2 or -3.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:10 PM
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illness doesnt mean GM will miss the game
Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5 |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:09 PM
Re: Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
FYI ... Badger's history with MSU under Bo: UW 13, MSU 9 Year Game Type score location result 2002 Conference W 64-63 Away W 2003 Conference W, 64-53 Home W 2004 BTT W, 68-66 Neutral W 2004 Conference W, 68-64 OT Away W 2004 Conference W, 77-64 Home W 2005 Conference W, 62-59 Home W 2005 Conference L, 77-64 Away L 2006 Conference W, 82-63 Home W 2006 Conference L, 74-65 Away L 2007 BTT W, 70-57 Neutral W 2007 Conference W, 52-50 Home W 2007 Conference L, 64-55 Away L 2008 BTT W, 65-63 Neutral W 2008 Conference W, 57-42 Home W 2009 Conference L, 61-50 Away L 2010 Conference W, 67-49 Home W 2010 Conference L, 54-47 Away L 2011 Conference W, 82-56 Home W 2011 Conference L, 64-61 OT Away L 2012 BTT L, 65-52 Neutral L 2012 Conference L, 69-55 Away L 2012 Conference L, 63-60 OT Home L
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Last edited 1/21/2013 10:13 PM by turomon
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:16 PM
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Badger8843 wrote: illness doesnt mean GM will miss the game And one good game doesn't mean Marshall is the difference maker. |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:57 PM
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turomon wrote: FYI ... Badger's history with MSU under Bo:
UW 13, MSU 9
Year Game Type score location result 2002 Conference W 64-63 Away W 2003 Conference W, 64-53 Home W 2004 BTT W, 68-66 Neutral W 2004 Conference W, 68-64 OT Away W 2004 Conference W, 77-64 Home W 2005 Conference W, 62-59 Home W 2005 Conference L, 77-64 Away L 2006 Conference W, 82-63 Home W 2006 Conference L, 74-65 Away L 2007 BTT W, 70-57 Neutral W 2007 Conference W, 52-50 Home W 2007 Conference L, 64-55 Away L 2008 BTT W, 65-63 Neutral W 2008 Conference W, 57-42 Home W 2009 Conference L, 61-50 Away L 2010 Conference W, 67-49 Home W 2010 Conference L, 54-47 Away L 2011 Conference W, 82-56 Home W 2011 Conference L, 64-61 OT Away L 2012 BTT L, 65-52 Neutral L 2012 Conference L, 69-55 Away L 2012 Conference L, 63-60 OT Home L
We need to stop the bleeding ... I completely understand your point, Bo has done very well against Tom Izzo. I just think possibly being shorthanded 2 players and giving 6 points makes MSU a pretty compelling play. |
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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:24 AM
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who said Marshall was out? Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5 |
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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:29 AM
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We need all our players healthy. I sure hope Kaminski returns soon
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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:58 AM
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baldbadgerlover wrote:
IMustBreakYou wrote:
DanG82 wrote: @ Wisconsin -6 vs. #13 Michigan State (6:00pm, ESPN)
Illinois -3.5 vs. @ Nebraska (7:30pm, Big Ten Network)
If George Marshall is out I really like Michigan State +6. With Frank Kaminsky already on the sidelines depth will be in issue for Wisconsin. I Hope I am wrong, and would never bet against my team, but MSU getting 6 is great value. +1......I am guessing the line will tighten a bit before gametime. More like -2 or -3. It would be very rare for a line in a Big 10 game to move that much. There's simply too many casual bettors on both sides to move the line that much. If it were a Sun Belt game or something, maybe a line could move that much, but not this game. Nobody in the betting public cares if George Marshall is playing. Or Kaminsky. We know what it means, but 99.5% of bettors won't. Edit: It is down to 5 1/2 though. I don't see any way it gets past 4 1/2. I think this is a pretty good spot for Wisconsin personally. MSU off a big win, UW off a tough loss. I actually like Wisconsin tonight.
I got the shotgun....you got the briefcase......all in the game though
Last edited 1/22/2013 9:01 AM by briangoodisquick
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:18 AM
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If George can play then I think we'll be fine. The concern is Evan Anderson. With Big Frank out, and all of the reporting about Anderson getting a lot of run in practice due to the big Michigan State front line, it seems pretty apparent that Evan is going to get a decent amount of time tonight. If he can play well then we'll win.
It's a HUGE opportunity for Evan. If he plays well then maybe he'll earn some more time the rest of the season. More importantly, it might put him in the plans more for next season, when there will only be two proven front court players returning.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:46 AM
Re: Wisconsin opens as a 6-point favorite vs. #13 Michigan State
Hard to tell from Ryan's comments that Anderson will for sure get minutes tonight. He mentioned something about foul trouble, so we'll see.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:50 AM
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independentGeorge wrote: Hard to tell from Ryan's comments that Anderson will for sure get minutes tonight. He mentioned something about foul trouble, so we'll see. That's the sense I've gotten from everything Potrykus has been writing. Also, it just makes sense. Michigan State has a lot of bigs... without Big Frank we have only one real big man. You really want Evans or Dekker guarding Payne every time Bruiser or Berggren takes a rest? |
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:01 PM
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If we're as cold from 3-point range as we were against them here last year (5 out of 22 in a three point loss), it will be another long night. Having two of our 40% 3-point shooting reserves out or at less than 100% won't help. Besides the usual things like matching up inside defensively and not getting killed on the boards and avoiding too many fast break points by them, Brust has to be on target tonight. That could make a huge difference. If he's something like 1 for 6 we lose, unless Dekker goes crazy and is something like 7 for 10.
Depth could be a concern. We started fall practive with 13 scholarship players, but two were walkons getting a free ride this year, and two are redshirting, and two may be out tonight, leaving Dekker and Anderson as the only true scholarship players off the bench, or just Dekker if Anderson is deemed not yet ready for prime time in spite of his physical presence. Virtually all of the starters could see over 30 minutes if they stay out of foul trouble. Hopefully no one gets two fouls in the first ten minutes. Could see more Showalter tonight if Marshall is ailing. Might not be a bad thing given how physical Michigan State can be.
Last edited 1/22/2013 12:24 PM by dcamp
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Posted: 1/22/2013 12:21 PM
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jeffwax1 wrote:
independentGeorge wrote: Hard to tell from Ryan's comments that Anderson will for sure get minutes tonight. He mentioned something about foul trouble, so we'll see.
That's the sense I've gotten from everything Potrykus has been writing. Also, it just makes sense. Michigan State has a lot of bigs... without Big Frank we have only one real big man. You really want Evans or Dekker guarding Payne every time Bruiser or Berggren takes a rest? I'm comfortable with Evans guarding just about any front court player for a stretch. |
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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:03 PM
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independentGeorge wrote:
jeffwax1 wrote:
independentGeorge wrote: Hard to tell from Ryan's comments that Anderson will for sure get minutes tonight. He mentioned something about foul trouble, so we'll see.
That's the sense I've gotten from everything Potrykus has been writing. Also, it just makes sense. Michigan State has a lot of bigs... without Big Frank we have only one real big man. You really want Evans or Dekker guarding Payne every time Bruiser or Berggren takes a rest? I'm comfortable with Evans guarding just about any front court player for a stretch. So who's your 7th man, then? Unless you plan to play 6 guys for all 40 minutes, you need a 7th man. So that's either Showalter or Bohannon or Anderson. So you could have Evans guard Payne and then put Bohannon on Dawson. Or you can have Evans guard Dawson and let Anderson guard Payne. Unless you think Showalter or Bohannon is way better than Anderson, Anderson should play. It was different against Iowa and Indiana which didn't have multiple quality big men. In those games you only needed either Bruiser or Bergs to be on the court at all times, and then you could go with Evans or Bohannon at the 4 and feel fine about it. Michigan State is much more physical inside.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:06 PM
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123 is the over/under for total points. I think the under in this one may be one of the best plays of the year thus far? What you guys thinking? Seems like this is a mid 50s game. Not 65-61 type. Two defenses that I think are a bit ahead of both offenses
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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:32 PM
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imabadger55 wrote: 123 is the over/under for total points. I think the under in this one may be one of the best plays of the year thus far? What you guys thinking? Seems like this is a mid 50s game. Not 65-61 type. Two defenses that I think are a bit ahead of both offenses Agree....under. Way under.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:57 PM
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FT's will cost you games, and sure enough did for us tonight, well cross off any chance we had at the B1G title, can't lose games like these at home
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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:56 PM
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Unfortunately we were WAY right on that one. I figured it would be a game that was forced to the perimeter but didn't think bucky would shoot under 30% from the field and under 40% from the stripe. Left about 10 points out there on shots that I think a formidable High School team would convert. Still a game that would have easily snuck under, but there were so many points that should have been converted. baldbadgerlover wrote:
imabadger55 wrote: 123 is the over/under for total points. I think the under in this one may be one of the best plays of the year thus far? What you guys thinking? Seems like this is a mid 50s game. Not 65-61 type. Two defenses that I think are a bit ahead of both offenses Agree....under. Way under. |
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:30 AM
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Didn't want to start a new thread...UW a 3 point favorite against Minny today. With 125 as the over/under. Surprised that the Badgers are only 3 point favorites in this one after being 5.5 or 6 pt favs against Sparty. Two things I think work in the Badgers favor. One, they lost to Sparty and how many times in Bo's tenure has he lost back-to-back home games in a week. Can't be more than once. Two, Minny played after UW this week allowing for the Badgers to have an extra day of rest, an extra day of scouting, and to watch the gophers in action live where they could just focus on them. I think Wisconsin is the play in this one. Thought MSU was the play getting over 5 points, so hope I'm right again. Also, surprised they put the O/U so high. Minnesota definitely is a ways off when compared to Michigan St on D, but they don't look to be a highly explosive team in B10 play. The matchup will be Rodney Williams and Mbakwe's athleticism vs. Jared/Evans/Bruiser's toughness. Can we keep them off the Offensive glass?? Mbakwe could literally have more rebounds than all 3 of them if bucky doesn't hit the glass hard. I think if we can stay within a few boards of them, we in a 62-56 type game
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:54 AM
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imabadger55 wrote: Didn't want to start a new thread...UW a 3 point favorite against Minny today. With 125 as the over/under. Surprised that the Badgers are only 3 point favorites in this one after being 5.5 or 6 pt favs against Sparty. Two things I think work in the Badgers favor. One, they lost to Sparty and how many times in Bo's tenure has he lost back-to-back home games in a week. Can't be more than once. Two, Minny played after UW this week allowing for the Badgers to have an extra day of rest, an extra day of scouting, and to watch the gophers in action live where they could just focus on them. I think Wisconsin is the play in this one. Thought MSU was the play getting over 5 points, so hope I'm right again. Also, surprised they put the O/U so high. Minnesota definitely is a ways off when compared to Michigan St on D, but they don't look to be a highly explosive team in B10 play. The matchup will be Rodney Williams and Mbakwe's athleticism vs. Jared/Evans/Bruiser's toughness. Can we keep them off the Offensive glass?? Mbakwe could literally have more rebounds than all 3 of them if bucky doesn't hit the glass hard. I think if we can stay within a few boards of them, we in a 62-56 type game Much tougher call on the over/under and the spread. I am guessing 66-63 Minny.
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