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My 10 Things -- Iowa

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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:18 AM

My 10 Things -- Iowa 


1. Obviously Tre Jackson shot poorly. But above and beyond that, it almost seemed like after his two previous performances that he had too much confidence, if there is such a thing. He took a couple shots that, while not horrible, were more the type of shots you’d see from Jordan Taylor or Devin Harris. In short, he hasn’t proven he’s good enough to consistently be taking difficult runners in the lane. He did not play within himself at all.


2. On the other hand, George Marshall was outstanding late in the second half. I think the key to that might have been all the pressure to follow every little Bo Ryan rule was off because we were in scramble-and-score mode. The way he played last night was the way he played all last year on the scout team (when he could do what he wanted). He just seems like the kind of player who thrives when given a little freedom. Problem is giving that freedom easier said the done. The blatant counter argument is that the reason we won at Indiana was because Tre Jackson followed Bo Ryan every rule. It certainly appears obvious that it games we can’t score, Marshall needs a longer leash.


3. I thought offense at the start of the second half was poor. It’s been proven time-and-time again that when our offense needs a jump start, a good solution is to let Berggren touch the ball in the post. Instead he’s allowing a freshman to push him out the the perimeter and he’s content to jack-up threes. It was like there was a magnet on the perimeter pulling him form the hoop. Get your ass on the block and stay there!


4. There was a decent amount of talk on both boards before the season that Zach Bohannon was a scrapper who would earn minutes. I hope nobody wants to continue to defend that argument. He’s a great kid and he knows the game, but he’s a full step too slow for the Big Ten and his jumping ability is “a bit lacking”, to put it mildly. He serves a role by getting the starters ready, but he is not a legitimate option for the rotation. (I called him "a placeholder" for the injured Bruiser before the year started. I hesitate to even stand by that.)


5. I thought the first half offense was as bad as we ran all year. With Nebraska and PSU, I could argue that we missed a bunch of very good looks. In this game, almost every possession seemed forced. I saw a lot of posts about senior leadership and I think that comes into play here. These guys know our offense and know what’s supposed to happen. You can’t waste 30 minutes of gametime trying to figure things out.


6. As has been the case in several of the games when we’re down, I thought Dekker showed the most intensity and emotion. He was a little erratic offensively with the turnovers, but in a game where we seemingly can’t throw it in the ocean, if someone is going to take wild shots, I prefer that it be Sam. I still feel like he should get more minutes and maybe he’ll let the game come to him a little more. He still seems to force his offense somewhat and maybe that would change of he knew he was guaranteed 30 minutes.


7. It baffles me that Bruiser can show up and be such a team leader on Tuesday in Bloomington and be such a total dud only 4 days later.


8. I thought the stat where they compared Roy Devyn Marble. to his dad was pretty interesting. For those who didn’t see it, the stats were essentially the same. All I want to say there is “Son, I saw Roy Marble play and you are no Roy Marble… or anything even close.”


9. I would say that this loss was not entirely unexpected. I had this game as winnable, but I knew it would be a dog fight. Iowa has had such a garbage atmosphere for the last few years, but they always get up for us. I really look forward to the rematch at the Kohl Center and view that as a game we will win by double figures.


10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:31 AM

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Somtimes I think I should post more often, I read the board regularly. But you make the points I would, and write them much better. Agree strongly with 1, 2. I'd add that I love Dekker's ability to score, but he still looks like a freshman on D sometimes, and 5 turnovers...That hurt the cause last night.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:36 AM

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My 1 thing - Iowa.
You can not win a game in the 1st half but you can lose one.
We are not good enough to come back from 20 down in a game to beat anyone even if it is 1/3 of the way through the game.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:44 AM

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#1. was right on target.  Jackson will learn from last night to ease off.  But I prefer forcing some shots to not participating in the offense.  Evans for all his faults wants the ball and wants to score. The upperclass men did not step up last night.  We need the 'good' brusier to win.  Dekker has something that nobody else has.  It's hard to define it but he sees the court better than anyone else.  Some of his assists are gems.  And as Eric stated he has an emotion for the game that is special as well.  We will all enjoy his career at UW.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:52 AM

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baldbadgerlover wrote: My 1 thing - Iowa.
You can not win a game in the 1st half but you can lose one.
We are not good enough to come back from 20 down in a game to beat anyone even if it is 1/3 of the way through the game.
I'm not so sure about that, at least not any worse than any other team that's down by 20 in the first half. I've heard a lot of people say that WI is just not a team that can come back from a big deficit. Well, we cut it to 4 points at the end there so it kind of disproves that theory. With our stingy defense and the opposing team putting their offense on cruise control, I think we have a good of a chance as anybody at coming back especially when you figure every guy in our lineup (not Evans) can shoot from deep.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:56 AM

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EricTheeRed wrote:


10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

I cannot believe how perfect this comment is.  At one point last night when the camera was on the hawkeye bench during a timeout my wife said, "Who's the guy with the horse teeth?"  I reminded her who he was and we both said, "Man I want to punch that grin off his face."

Agree with all your other points.  Simply put, George Marshall and Sam Dekker are ballers.  They both have incredible talent and sometimes just need to be able to play the game.  George does not fit the typically Bo Ryan guard mold and if Bo wants the most out of him he will have to adjust expectations and extend the leash.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:06 PM

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bdgrfn wrote: Agree with all your other points.  Simply put, George Marshall and Sam Dekker are ballers.  They both have incredible talent and sometimes just need to be able to play the game.  George does not fit the typically Bo Ryan guard mold and if Bo wants the most out of him he will have to adjust expectations and extend the leash.
Kinda reminds me of the same relationship Bo had with Hughes, I don't think either of them ever agreed on what a good shot was. Eventually, the leash was removed from and boy, that kid had his moments. With few exceptions, I think every elite guard we've had has had a bumpy first couple of years under Bo.

Really looking forward to see Bo gain a little more trust in Marshall.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:12 PM

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can Marshall play the 2?  I know he is not big for defense, but he can shoot.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:17 PM

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bdgrfn wrote:
EricTheeRed wrote:


10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

I cannot believe how perfect this comment is.  At one point last night when the camera was on the hawkeye bench during a timeout my wife said, "Who's the guy with the horse teeth?"  I reminded her who he was and we both said, "Man I want to punch that grin off his face."

Agree with all your other points.  Simply put, George Marshall and Sam Dekker are ballers.  They both have incredible talent and sometimes just need to be able to play the game.  George does not fit the typically Bo Ryan guard mold and if Bo wants the most out of him he will have to adjust expectations and extend the leash.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:19 PM

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1.  Jackson is now shooting 34% on the year.  That is especially terrible considering 65% of his shots are 2 point shots.  This year is a very interesting year...UW has 2 guys getting major minutes this year who are the least efficient offensive players Bo Ryan has ever had.  We have still found ways to win a lot of games, but it will be interesting to watch going forward.  These 2 players shot 17 times today, only making 3 shots.  I think Jackson's offense is a little overrated by some on this board due to hitting a few clutch shots recently. 

Obviously, when you have 2 guys who are that inefficient offensively, your margin of error becauses very small.

2.  Hopefully George can improve in the areas that Bo requires as him getting more minutes going forward would help the offense a quite a bit. 

7.  Bruisewitz has always been very inconsistent.  Because of this, I was surpirsed to see people in the Bruisewitz/Krabbenhoft thread saying they would take Bruisewitz.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:23 PM

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1. other than Anderson and the walk ons Bo played everybody he could.when the seniors failed to play like seniors, his options were (are) limited.
2. do you suppose woodbury is that much better than Anderson? Or relatively speaking, is Bohannon that much better than Anderson? Kind of unfair to Bohannon, he wasn't quite ready for that level of play.
3. Jackson's drive into a crowd at end was not nice; he needs to keep others involved.But then Wilson needs to take the shot.biggrin(oops- wrong year.)
4. others need to work the offense too: twice against iu and once against Iowa Evans seemed to refuse a pass to an open Dekker in the corner. 
5. In the awful 10 minutes, Berg and Evans needed to work the paint. 
6. I suppose Bo will say, hey our shots fall we win.
7. Also true Iowa won the turnover- block-steal battle (Ia 7-2-8) (Wi 12-0-0). 8 steals is a lot. Prior effort would have indicated maybe 8 turnovers by WIS and 3-4 blocks. we didn't play our game.
8. isn't one of iron laws of bb, team misses two long shots, next man down drives the paint? Maybe Bo should have unleashed Marshall at the 17:30 mark in first half.
9.White is a warrior. Would look just as good in red.
10. kudos to Iowa: they came out fast, took our game away from us, and did not choke in the face of what looked like inexorable pressure at the end. Iowa's freshmen played almost flawlessly.
11. hey- our shots fall, we win.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:30 PM

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1.10 shots is way too many for Jackson. He had the most fg attempts.
2.The seniors,not Dekker or Jackson should be blamed for the loss.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:48 PM

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Thanks to GM we shot 43% overall good enough to win most nights, and should have last night too, except for a bunch of seniors who did not show up for this game. [again].  Seems like they can only put together 2 good games in a row, then they disappear.

But the lack of D the entire game cost us this one.  It seemed like they had no idea iowa ran that helter skelter up tempo fast motion offense.   Iowa made the badgers play their way, and we just stood around and watched for 30 minutes, and after that it was too little too late.

9. totally agree this was not unexpected, but the first 30 minutes was.
    and yes a win at the Kohl in the rematch definitely is in the cards, and it could be a
    very needed win too.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:52 PM

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uwbadgers wrote:
bdgrfn wrote:
EricTheeRed wrote:


10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

I cannot believe how perfect this comment is.  At one point last night when the camera was on the hawkeye bench during a timeout my wife said, "Who's the guy with the horse teeth?"  I reminded her who he was and we both said, "Man I want to punch that grin off his face."

Agree with all your other points.  Simply put, George Marshall and Sam Dekker are ballers.  They both have incredible talent and sometimes just need to be able to play the game.  George does not fit the typically Bo Ryan guard mold and if Bo wants the most out of him he will have to adjust expectations and extend the leash.

bdgrfn's wife is a very sharp lady!   Sure looks like the Iowa weight program is doing wonders with him too.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:59 PM

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TimeWarp07 wrote:
baldbadgerlover wrote: My 1 thing - Iowa.
You can not win a game in the 1st half but you can lose one.
We are not good enough to come back from 20 down in a game to beat anyone even if it is 1/3 of the way through the game.
I'm not so sure about that, at least not any worse than any other team that's down by 20 in the first half. I've heard a lot of people say that WI is just not a team that can come back from a big deficit. Well, we cut it to 4 points at the end there so it kind of disproves that theory. With our stingy defense and the opposing team putting their offense on cruise control, I think we have a good of a chance as anybody at coming back especially when you figure every guy in our lineup (not Evans) can shoot from deep.
I am not saying we can never come back from the same situation I am saying the odds of us coming back from 20 and winning against any B10 team on the road is about 1 in 20.

Our style and recruiting limitations make coming back from big deficits very difficult.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:08 PM

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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:11 PM

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baldbadgerlover wrote: I am not saying we can never come back from the same situation I am saying the odds of us coming back from 20 and winning against any B10 team on the road is about 1 in 20.

Our style and recruiting limitations make coming back from big deficits very difficult.
Yah, a team like North Carolina against say, @Indiana has much better chances.... rolleyes
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:26 PM

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I actually was surprised to see Jackson was 1/10 after the game. I didn't think he forced much but rather just couldn't finish.

Dekker was fantastic at times and maddening others. Typical frosh I suppose. It's funny - he was so confident all game and then when he had a chance to drive and shoot he opted to dump it off for a turnover. I get the feeling Evans doesn't like Dekker. Just based on the looks he throws him every once in a while - last night he seemed incredibly annoyed when Dekker came in the game for him. Might have had something to do with fouling out, but it also could be a personality conflict. Who knows.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:34 PM

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Shooting 23% in the first half sealed our fate. banghead
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:35 PM

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I hope to look back one day and say that the biggest thing to come out of the Uthoff situation is it freed up a scholarship that we used to bring in Nigel Hayes.

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10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.



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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:35 PM

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TimeWarp07 wrote:
who listens to the rome show?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:47 PM

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EricTheeRed wrote:

1. Totally agree with pt #1


2. "...It certainly appears obvious that it games we can’t score, Marshall needs a longer leash."

I doubt people here think that Iowa honestly has more talent than Wisconsin. So I wondered what would happen if Bo let them loose against teams like Iowa, who aren't as talented as a Florida, Indiana, etc. Not saying it would work (after all, Iowa practices that way all year-round), but I'd be interested to see it, if only to find out who would shine the brightest from UW.


7. "It baffles me that Bruiser can show up and be such a team leader on Tuesday in Bloomington and be such a total dud only 4 days later."

Aaron White has a way of getting the best of Bruiser.


8. "...All I want to say there is 'Son, I saw Roy Marble play and you are no Roy Marble… or anything even close.' "

IIRC, Marble made about 3 different "run busting" plays on Sat. that slowed UW's momentum.


10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

This statement hits hard. So true.


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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:59 PM

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I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that Trae taking 10 shots is too much.  He's one of the few guys on our team that shows any semblance at all of being willing to attack and try to make something happen.  Most of the shots he took yesterday were perfectly fine.  I'd much rather have him drive and try to make something happen and take a 12-foot pull-up than us jacking a 3 with two seconds on the shot clock.  

I really think that our best line-up would be with George and Trae together.  Ben is a solid player, but I truthfully think he's a 15-20 minute per game situational player in the B1G.  It's just so hard for him to get a shot off because he can't coming off screens with a 1-2 step because of how he shoots.  And it's really tough for him to shoot mid-range shots off the dribble for the same reason.  

So I know this will probably never happen, but to me our best line-up would be:
Marshall-Trae-Bruesewitz-Evans-Berggren

With Dekker getting starters minutes off the bench and closing the game if Evans or Bruesewitz are struggling.

And Brust and Kaminsky filling in the gaps.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:18 PM

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harvardonthehill30 wrote: I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that Trae taking 10 shots is too much.  He's one of the few guys on our team that shows any semblance at all of being willing to attack and try to make something happen.  Most of the shots he took yesterday were perfectly fine.  I'd much rather have him drive and try to make something happen and take a 12-foot pull-up than us jacking a 3 with two seconds on the shot clock.  

I really think that our best line-up would be with George and Trae together.  Ben is a solid player, but I truthfully think he's a 15-20 minute per game situational player in the B1G.  It's just so hard for him to get a shot off because he can't coming off screens with a 1-2 step because of how he shoots.  And it's really tough for him to shoot mid-range shots off the dribble for the same reason.  

So I know this will probably never happen, but to me our best line-up would be:
Marshall-Trae-Bruesewitz-Evans-Berggren

With Dekker getting starters minutes off the bench and closing the game if Evans or Bruesewitz are struggling.

And Brust and Kaminsky filling in the gaps.
You think Jackson,a below 40% shooter,should take more shots than anyone else?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:33 PM

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I didn't say he should take more shots than anyone else. I am saying that in a situation like last night in the first half when we had absolutely nothing going on offense the fact that he actually has some ability to create off the dribble and get his own shot is an asset that is rare on this team and is something that should be embraced.  He's not a good shooter at this point, but his hesitation and crossover moves are better than anyone on this team right now and I don't mind him taking shots when he's actually making basketball plays when no one of the team seems to want to do that.

The problem is, who on this team has the ability to create their own shot?  That's why I'm advocating Jackson and Marshall being out there on the court at the same time.  There are going to be growing pains and their play is going to be wildly inconsistent, but in the big picture it gives us the best chance to win come tournament time and definitely heading forward into next year.  Field goal percentage is also a product of the shots that you take.  Brust usually takes set shots because for the most part that is all he is capable of taking given the limitations of his shot.  Ben is clearly the best shooter on the team when he has a wide-open look and has as much time as he needs.  He would be my clear cut number one choice if we were playing a game of HORSE.  But with his size and the limitations his shot puts on him, I don't see him having much room for growth.  

So yes, I would rather have Jackson shoot 10 shots in a game than have us pass around the perimeter for 25 seconds and have Dekker, Evans, Berggren, Brust, Bruiser, etc. be forced to take an extremely difficult shot late in the shot clock.  Jackson gives us aggression on offense and that is something that we definitely need.  Brust wants to be aggressive, but the problem is his shot limits him from truly being the scoring threat that we would all love him to be.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:35 PM

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tmoneylovesguns wrote:
TimeWarp07 wrote:
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I was thinking the same thing tmoney.  Rome also has his rodent face collection led by the likes of Coach K and Mike Shanahan.  Uthoff definitely has a horse face.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:44 PM

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1. Not a good game for Jackson but when the seniors don't show he is under more pressure than he needs to be.

2. Marshall is better without the pressure of having to run the halfcourt offense. I would like to see him more at off guard. He was good at the end of the game but it is not fair to compare the situation of running the team for the entire game. People should now see the comparison to Kam Taylor.

3. Berg was soft. I will cut him a little slack that maybe he did not want to pick up fouls. He should realize the non aggressor is just as likely to pick up fouls for being late. Berg needs to fight early for deep position where he can make a quick move to the hoop. He struggles mightily when the D has time to send a double.

4. ZBo is not a B1G player in a year were there is no place for walk ons in conference play. This situation is the result of the Uthoff transfer and Dukan?Anderson's slow devlopment. No way one injury should have the Badgers playing a 6'6 walk on at the 5.

5. I have no doubt it was the lack of senior leadership and that placing more pressure on the young pg. Compare Berggren's first play against Illinois attacking the rim and then the OR tip in. First posession Berg is out efforted giving an offensive rebound. Bruiser needs talk less and perform more.   

6. There are acceptable times to take shots and there are not. Sam's 3 off an offensive rebound without a single teammate within 15 feet of rebounding position was awful. I would have benched him. That is something you learn in sixth grade not to do. Got away with it in high school when he was better than anyone else in the gym. He has to remember he is in the big leagues and the mental aspect is as important as the physical.

7. That is one for Bruiser to explain on the floor and not with his mouth.

8. IIRC Roy could not shoot from beyond 8 feet but he rarely needed to. Can hardly compare the 2 they are so different.

9. Thought it was a 50/50 game. Just is UW has no fear of IU, Iowa has no fear of UW. Big emotional night for Iowa. UW is the better team all they need to do is stand up to Iowa's initial outburst and continue to grind. Instead they barely showed up.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:22 PM

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I was at the Game. Special night for the Hawks.

You are so on the money with #2!!

Bo spent a good 20 sec with Aaron White after the game. Bo held up the line as they say. The best complement you can get as a player.

#10 the end of the post is right on.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:24 PM

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Jackson has no business being the designated person to take the shots when the shot clock is winding down.  If Dekker is in it should be him without question.  If Marshall is in I have no problem with it being him.  I'd take Brust over Jackson as well.

That being said, I think he can be solid for us.  I see him as a Jordan Taylor type player without the offensive ability (although Jordan's developed over the course of his career).  If he can play solid D, takes care of the ball, and picks his spots for scoring like a guy like Aaron Craft does, he has a role on this team into the future.  He played way outside his abilities yesterday.

Our seniors have been extremely disappointing this year.  I see a very bright future for this team with the solid youngsters and excellent recruiting classes coming up.  Having a solid and very experienced backcourt next year is going to be huge and the skill we have on the roster and what's coming in is exciting to think about.  No doubt we'll be playing small.  It'll be interesting to see how Bo opens up the offense.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:40 PM

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bdgrfn wrote:
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10. Uthoff has a very punchable face. What makes it more punchable is that Aaron White would be a Badger if we hadn’t already signed Uthoff.

I cannot believe how perfect this comment is.  At one point last night when the camera was on the hawkeye bench during a timeout my wife said, "Who's the guy with the horse teeth?"  I reminded her who he was and we both said, "Man I want to punch that grin off his face."

That has to be the most deplorable thing ETR has said and he's said plenty of deplorable things, but I find it hard to believe that somebody would agree with him.   Pretty idiotic to say anything even remotely implying you'd like to punch some kid on a basketball team. Makes you sound like an immature teenager.
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