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My 10 Things -- Virginia
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:15 PM
My 10 Things -- Virginia
1. Virginia’s defense reminded me of how painful it was to watch Bennett style basketball. The clutching and grabbing in the post takes all the flow out of the offense. Just a brutal grinder of a game. The refs let just about everything go. Virginia played it exactly how they wanted and it worked. 2. Ryan Evans needs to self-regulate himself when his shot isn’t falling. Good God man… you’re a fifth-year senior. Don’t you have any feel for when you’re on or off by now? He took some shots that I announced were short before they even left his hand.
3. While our last possession was bad, the main culprit was really the Virginia defense. They knew we wouldn’t drive and just stood beyond the arc and pestered us. If every team in America played end-of-game possessions like that, there would be no buzzer beating 3-pointers. Someone needed to recognize that and just go to the hoop.
4. That said, while it appeared Brust got murdered on the play, I understand the no-call. There’s no reason for the refs to bail us out of that shyt show.
5. Our young guards continue to go through growing pains. Multiple highly questionable decisions by both guys again. I thought Jackson had a couple nice drives where he was robbed of either a foul or the hoop just not wanting the ball. Marshall was up-and-don again. It’s almost pointless to say again that we miss Gasser.
6. There is no reason for this team to get slaughtered on the boards. We have 4 good rebounders in our starting lineup and Jackson should be better than most point guards. The fact that our 3 seniors aren’t corralling more loose balls is disappointing. I will give Berggren a break as he’s typically been pretty good and he appeared like he might be under the weather tonight. As for the 2 forwards, no excuses.
7. Dekker needs to get more shots. That’s it. If he’s not getting open you call timeout and run some plays for him. Having him stand around watching Bruiser hoist up threes is utterly pointless. I do like his intensity. Late in the game when he had a key play or we needed a stop, he really seemed to be trying to rally his teammates.
8. Man we missed a lot of loose balls tonight. Just seemed like they key ones never went our way. Combine that with some awful possessions, no rebounding and no free throws and you’ve got a big mess of a game.
9. There were some on here who claimed that we missed on Jesperson when he signed with Virginia. They were wrong then and I assume would admit they are wrong now. He’s the very definition of “just another guy”.
10. Overall I thought Virginia was a good, not great, team. I had penciled this in as a win because you normally need some real firepower to come into the KC and win. On paper, they probably had less actual talent than Arkansas, but they played a 1000% smarter game. The Badgers are going through some serious growing pains right now. Seems like whenever this happens and things look their worst, they regroup and get a nice win. I expect that to happen versus Cal on Sunday.
Last edited 11/28/2012 9:20 PM by EricTheeRed
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:18 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
I would also add continued overall poor play of the upper class men besides Berg, this team dribbles way to much to nowhere, nobody talented enough to create of that group.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:21 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
EricTheeRed wrote: 4. That said, while it appeared Brust got murdered on the play, I understand the no-call. There’s no reason for the refs to bail us out of that **** show.
Agreed, and yet the officials basically decided the Minnesota/Stanford game on tons less contact on a half-court heave in a tied game with 0.4 seconds remaining. Hard to reconcile. I don't think it's the difference in the game at all, but calls like that bother me.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:22 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
EricTheeRed wrote:9. There were some on here who claimed that we missed on Jesperson when he signed with Virginia. They were wrong then and I assume would admit they are wrong now. He’s the very definition of “just another guy”.
There is no question that Jesperson is "just another guy" Perhaps that was why some felt he would fit in well with the talent on the Badger roster which with a couple of exceptions is filled with a bunch of "another guys"
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:22 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
I agree with pretty much everything. They need to start setting up plays for Berg and Dekker, it's driving me absolutely crazy. If we rely on Evans, Bruiser and Brust to be main scoring options then we might as well pack the season in.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:23 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Everything was pretty bad including the coaching
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:26 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
This team has about 10 or more "just guys". Actually only two who aren't.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:29 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
EricTheeRed wrote: 1. Virginia’s defense reminded me of how painful it was to watch Bennett style basketball. The clutching and grabbing in the post takes all the flow out of the offense. Just a brutal grinder of a game. The refs let just about everything go. Virginia played it exactly how they wanted and it worked. 2. Ryan Evans needs to self-regulate himself when his shot isn’t falling. Good God man… you’re a fifth-year senior. Don’t you have any feel for when you’re on or off by now? He took some shots that I announced were short before they even left his hand. 3. While our last possession was bad, the main culprit was really the Virginia defense. They knew we wouldn’t drive and just stood beyond the arc and pestered us. If every team in America played end-of-game possessions like that, there would be no buzzer beating 3-pointers. Someone needed to recognize that and just go to the hoop. 4. That said, while it appeared Brust got murdered on the play, I understand the no-call. There’s no reason for the refs to bail us out of that shyt show. 5. Our young guards continue to go through growing pains. Multiple highly questionable decisions by both guys again. I thought Jackson had a couple nice drives where he was robbed of either a foul or the hoop just not wanting the ball. Marshall was up-and-don again. It’s almost pointless to say again that we miss Gasser. 6. There is no reason for this team to get slaughtered on the boards. We have 4 good rebounders in our starting lineup and Jackson should be better than most point guards. The fact that our 3 seniors aren’t corralling more loose balls is disappointing. I will give Berggren a break as he’s typically been pretty good and he appeared like he might be under the weather tonight. As for the 2 forwards, no excuses. 7. Dekker needs to get more shots. That’s it. If he’s not getting open you call timeout and run some plays for him. Having him stand around watching Bruiser hoist up threes is utterly pointless. I do like his intensity. Late in the game when he had a key play or we needed a stop, he really seemed to be trying to rally his teammates. 8. Man we missed a lot of loose balls tonight. Just seemed like they key ones never went our way. Combine that with some awful possessions, no rebounding and no free throws and you’ve got a big mess of a game. 9. There were some on here who claimed that we missed on Jesperson when he signed with Virginia. They were wrong then and I assume would admit they are wrong now. He’s the very definition of “just another guy”. 10. Overall I thought Virginia was a good, not great, team. I had penciled this in as a win because you normally need some real firepower to come into the KC and win. On paper, they probably had less actual talent than Arkansas, but they played a 1000% smarter game. The Badgers are going through some serious growing pains right now. Seems like whenever this happens and things look their worst, they regroup and get a nice win. I expect that to happen versus Cal on Sunday. Agree strongly on points 2, 7 and 8. I'd add Brust to point number 2 except he is a shooter & can make shots but he needs to remember that he isn't the only option. If you re watch the game, these two guys (Evans & Brust) do NOT look for open teammates or attempt to feed the post. They are always looking for their shot. I think Evans had several opportunities to try and get the ball in the post to Berg but failed. The rebounding is puzzling, it does seem like the guys need stickum or something. I'm not jumping on board with the Dekker is terrible on D crowd because frankly, no one is good on D right now but he does need to stop leaking out & get in their & rebound because we need everyone we can at this point to crash the boards. This is Wisconsin, we don't look to run...with this team. Big games coming up against Cal/Marquette given this disappointing home loss but this team can & will play better.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:37 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
1) This team is just not that talented. Brust should be a guy that comes off the bench for some offense and shoots a couple open 3's. Evans should be a guy that is a defensive specialist and is given the ball in the post when he has a mismatch with the guy guarding him. These are not guys that should be the focus of an offense, taking 15 shots each.
2) As has been said over and over, Dekker and Berggren need to be the focus of the offense and the guys taking 15 shots a game.
3) As has been said over and over, we really miss Gasser.
4) Marshall should be the PG starting and getting the most minutes. You'll have to deal with the mistakes and growing pains, but going with Marshall as the main guy is best now and for the future. Jackson puts forth great effort but he is nothing more than a backup PG, a guy that will come in and play good D and take care of the ball. He is just too limited athletically to be running the point for 30 minutes a game. Marshall has the athleticism to penetrate and he's a better shooter.
5) This team is terrible at rebounding, terrible. Another place where we really miss Gasser.
6) There were 2 times I really felt we could've had the momentum and taken this game back. When there were about 9 minutes left on back to back possessions Jackson and then Brust missed layups. Then when Bruiser missed his free throw. 2 FT's there would've cut it to 3 and we were gaining momentum back into it until that point.
7) BTW, what happened to the Bruiser who earned the nickname Bruiser? I'm sorry, but I am ready for his time to come to an end. Dekker needs to be taking his playing time.
8) Remember all that talk about Frank this offseason? Yea, I haven't seen it either. Talk about soft and weak.
9) Bo, I love you but it's time to just let Dekker and Marshall loose and go with it. It will be better for this season and the future.
10) Koenig, Brown, and Hayes can't get here soon enough (and Gasser back to health).
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:37 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
The thing that is bothering me the most is the low basketball I.Q. being shown by the Badgers. For example: Berggren sets a screen for Jackson at the free throw line. Jackson drives around the screen. Berggren does a pick and roll WITH HIS BACK TO Jackson. There is no way he can receive a pass from Jackson and execute a basic pick and roll. Another example: No one (and I mean no one) is getting their butt on a defender and blocking out. Virginia is a young team. But they showed more cohesion than we did with our all senior front line. Defensively I cannot recall the frontline looking so unable to get around screens last year. But we look positively flat footed and slow. It would be nice, IMO, if Bo would hire someone to teach a zone defense to this group because they show no signs of being able to play man as he expects. I realize zone requires good feel for spacing and good lateral movement but maybe it would allow us to block out better.
And , finally, Josh Gasser's legend is growing with each poor outing. Guys I do not see that Josh would be an offensive star. He is a first rate complimentary player. But he is no Jordan Taylor. And I don't think he is even a Trevon Hughes. The team would be better with Josh playing . I'm just not sure how much better.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:39 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
BadgersFan82: Watching Virginia's Atkins and Mitchell ( I hope that's the right name) I found myself wondering if Nigel and Vitto will give us at least that level of play.
Last edited 11/28/2012 9:39 PM by rekim
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:40 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
It probably still wouldn't get the point across but Evans should be yanked every time he shoots a 3 or goes pump-jab step-pass fake-pump-shot.
The most positive spin I can put on tonight is that it's reasonable to expect that Marshall, Jackson, and Dekker will make steady improvement with experience.
"It's why we don't make outlandish promises in recruiting, that you're going to be this, you're going to be that. We're up front with everybody in recruiting, so there's no reason to take on situations that are going to be detrimental to the team." - Bo Ryan
Last edited 11/28/2012 9:41 PM by GratephulRed
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:44 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
On Dekker, I would like to start seeing him play some at the two. I may have missed Brust sitting in the second half but the primary guard rotation was Marshall for Jackson, and Jackson back for Marshall. No Showalter. That Brust seems to be the only player that has a fire for rebounding makes this a bit tougher in execution, but we need to get more from the guards offensively.
First thing that needs to be fixed though is our presence on the defensive boards. That young front-line of Virginia was simply better.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:48 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
I like Gasser, he is missed, but we are not talking about an elite offensive player here, let us not make him out to be the second coming, with him this team still has many flaws.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:49 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
combatsports4life wrote: I agree with pretty much everything. They need to start setting up plays for Berg and Dekker, it's driving me absolutely crazy. If we rely on Evans, Bruiser and Brust to be main scoring options then we might as well pack the season in. +1000...Although I do like Brust as a third option, but behind dekker and Berg. Brust is a good 3pt snipper, but can't be relied on as the guy.
Last edited 11/28/2012 10:05 PM by BelmontBucky45
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:55 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Everyone knew what the deal was when Josh went down. Inconsistent guard play. Josh would have given the guard play stability, which is going to be a slow process given the experience of the guards.
That being said, senior leadership is lacking here, and I expect little improvement. Maybe Evans idea of leadership is to launch yet another 3, that everyone at the Kohl Center knows will not go in. Too bad he has not figured it out yet.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:56 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Kansasspike wrote: I like Gasser, he is missed, but we are not talking about an elite offensive player here, let us not make him out to be the second coming, with him this team still has many flaws. It's not about his offensive capabilities alone; a huge factor is his leadership especially in specific basketball situations. He has had so much PT in his first two years. He would be reacting while our current guards are thinking it through. We also miss his toughness.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:58 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
dhady wrote: Everyone knew what the deal was when Josh went down. Inconsistent guard play. Josh would have given the guard play stability, which is going to be a slow process given the experience of the guards.
That being said, senior leadership is lacking here, and I expect little improvement. Maybe Evans idea of leadership is to launch yet another 3, that everyone at the Kohl Center knows will not go in. Too bad he has not figured it out yet. Maybe if the coach would hold a 5th year senior to the same level of accountability he holds a true freshman things could change.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:00 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Our guard play has been below average..and we are also getting very little offensively from our senior forwards. They have also been below average rebounding. They need to step up (or take a step back and defer to others). I would love to see Evans efficiency stats in practice. I am not sure how you can be so inefficient for 4 years and still feel like you need to take so many shots.
If Dekker is playing, he needs to be a bigger part of the offense..or he is not helping the team.
Brust and Marshall are not playing at the level I was hoping based on comments that ETR made this summer. Hopefully they grow quickly.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:00 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
rekim wrote: BadgersFan82: Watching Virginia's Atkins and Mitchell ( I hope that's the right name) I found myself wondering if Nigel and Vitto will give us at least that level of play. We can only hope so...as bad as Evans, Bruiser & Berg were in this game, we've got Frank & Evan Anderson behind them. Next year we are looking at Marshall, Brust, Gasser, Dekker & Frank? Hope Gasser is ready to come back and grab some boards because that team looks pretty weak in terms of rebounding.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:01 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
SRS80 wrote:
dhady wrote: Everyone knew what the deal was when Josh went down. Inconsistent guard play. Josh would have given the guard play stability, which is going to be a slow process given the experience of the guards.
That being said, senior leadership is lacking here, and I expect little improvement. Maybe Evans idea of leadership is to launch yet another 3, that everyone at the Kohl Center knows will not go in. Too bad he has not figured it out yet. Maybe if the coach would hold a 5th year senior to the same level of accountability he holds a true freshman things could change. That's something that is bother me as well. Why is it ok that the older players make terrible plays, but the second our young guys do they get yanked. Wouldn't it make more sense to show the young guys that even the seniors get benched if they screw up? When Evans jacks up an ugly three with other guys open he should be benched and I bet he would get the damn point.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:01 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
SRS80 wrote: Maybe if the coach would hold a 5th year senior to the same level of accountability he holds a true freshman things could change. Clearly, freshman mistakes are worse than senior mistakes. If you make the same mistake over and over again for 4 years..you start to get a free pass.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:05 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
1. Berggren tries to block everything around the rim and is thus out of position for a rebound if he doesn't get the block.
2. Evans could be called for traveling every time he touches the ball.
3. Evans has stopped playing defense this year.
4. There is no help defense when someone gets beat off the dribble.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:06 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
BadgersFan82 wrote:
rekim wrote: BadgersFan82: Watching Virginia's Atkins and Mitchell ( I hope that's the right name) I found myself wondering if Nigel and Vitto will give us at least that level of play. We can only hope so...as bad as Evans, Bruiser & Berg were in this game, we've got Frank & Evan Anderson behind them.
Next year we are looking at Marshall, Brust, Gasser, Dekker & Frank? Hope Gasser is ready to come back and grab some boards because that team looks pretty weak in terms of rebounding. Don't forget Duje for two more years!! The future is Bright! Oh, wait. Maybe not.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:09 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Herbert should be in charge of strength and conditioning for these guys. I bet they wouldn't get pushed around any more.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:10 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
--------------------------------------------- --- combatsports4life wrote:
Herbert should be in charge of strength and conditioning for these guys. I bet they wouldn't get pushed around any more.
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Because Groy hasn't been pushed around this year?
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:11 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
rekim wrote:
BadgersFan82 wrote:
rekim wrote: BadgersFan82: Watching Virginia's Atkins and Mitchell ( I hope that's the right name) I found myself wondering if Nigel and Vitto will give us at least that level of play. We can only hope so...as bad as Evans, Bruiser & Berg were in this game, we've got Frank & Evan Anderson behind them.
Next year we are looking at Marshall, Brust, Gasser, Dekker & Frank? Hope Gasser is ready to come back and grab some boards because that team looks pretty weak in terms of rebounding. Don't forget Duje for two more years!! The future is Bright! Oh, wait. Maybe not. The redshirting is bull. No way should Dukan have been redshirted if he is able to go at any point this year. I don't support Creaning,but wasting redshirts is another matter. Didn't learn their lesson from Gavinski and Anderson i guess.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:15 PM
Re: My 10 Things -- Virginia
SaMOKEY wrote:
--------------------------------------------- --- combatsports4life wrote:
Herbert should be in charge of strength and conditioning for these guys. I bet they wouldn't get pushed around any more.
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Because Groy hasn't been pushed around this year? How many years of dominance on the O-Line and you are going to use one guy to disparage Herbert, really?
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:23 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
ETR's point number 4 is pretty funny.
I'm surprised that people aren't giving Brust more credit. He makes mistakes here and there but some of that comes with the territory when you play with a motor like he does. The way he plays is what this team needs more of.
A lot of the lack of offensive rebounding to me has to do with how well the Virginia players are coached at it. On many of the rebounds the Badgers didn't even have a shot at a rebound because all our guys were boxed out.
My best attempt at summarizing the game is that Virginia plays such that you have to come out and beat them and we didn't beat them.
Is Bo now teaching the team to not try getting to the line? I don't want to sound like one of those guys that moans and complains just after the losses, but the trend is getting ridiculous in relation to what Bo's earlier teams were able to do.
Last edited 11/28/2012 10:23 PM by bkybgr
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:33 PM
RE: My 10 Things -- Virginia
Kansasspike wrote: I would also add continued overall poor play of the upper class men besides Berg, this team dribbles way to much to nowhere, nobody talented enough to create of that group. Yea right. The guy who with 2 rebounds in 30 minutes when UW was killed on the boards. Add Dekker's 1 rebound in 21 minutes and you have 6'8 and 6'10 players with 3 rebounds in 51 minutes. My grandmother could stumble across that may in an hour of playing time.
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