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Posted: 2/12/2012 12:49 PM
Scott Orndoff looking around
per TOS, it sounds as though Orndoff is looking around. perhaps not a surprise to many with the changes with the staff this season.
he was an early commit with the previous staff (Chryst and Rudolph), but now has a lot of time in front off him until signing period next feb and appears he will entertain other options outside of UW.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 1:34 PM
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Another person who committed to a coach and not a program. Good that he brought this up now and not next January. Not a big deal.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 2:05 PM
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I believe most out of state players are committed to coaches and not schools, because schools don't recruit. Coaches do. Big name schools just make it easier for coaches to recruit.
Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 4:15 PM
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Yeah, but I bet most kids commit to the head coach and his program, not to a specific assistant coach. Assistants move all the time, but it's the head coach who sets the standards for the program.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 4:32 PM
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As I posted on a few previous threads, head coaches move all the time too. Something like 85 of the 120 FBS programs have a head coach who has been there less than four or five years.
If you're a recruit and you're committing to anything other than the school/program, with possible exception to the very established HCs that are far more likely to be there for your stay, then odds say you're going to be disappointed when the HC or assistant you committed to leaves well before you do. It's not even that it could happen. The numbers don't lie and they say it's far more likely that it WILL happen than it won't.
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Posted: 2/12/2012 5:07 PM
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We've talked about this in the Dylan Chmura thread, but the thought was that he was going to out grow himself as a TE, and with limited scholarships and the talent level of Chmura, it was likely that Orndoff saw the tea leaves.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 9:28 AM
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HotTimes wrote: As I posted on a few previous threads, head coaches move all the time too. Something like 85 of the 120 FBS programs have a head coach who has been there less than four or five years.
If you're a recruit and you're committing to anything other than the school/program, with possible exception to the very established HCs that are far more likely to be there for your stay, then odds say you're going to be disappointed when the HC or assistant you committed to leaves well before you do. It's not even that it could happen. The numbers don't lie and they say it's far more likely that it WILL happen than it won't. I totally agree with you in general. But in this young man's case the coach and the program are difficult to distinguish. It's not like cases where a kid's lead recruiter leaves and the recruiter doesn't even coach the kid's position. Here, it seems obvious that he signed on for Bostad and in his mind Bostad WAS the program as for as the OL is concerned. I think there is some merit to that belief. Yes Bostad was replaced with a good OL coach, but you have to admit that there is something fairly special about Bostad and his results. He had attained a status unique among college position coaches in that virtually everyone agreed that he was among the one ortwo best at his job in the country. You can't just say that everyone who plays OL at UW will become great just because they have a motion W on their helmets. The coach is a huge part of it. I can't blame a kid for reconsidering moving far away from home if that coach just moved to the kid's own backyard. |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 10:49 AM
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Personally I feel like he was given some advice from someone within the UW football program to explore other opportunities. The timing of this situation leads me to believe it was more UW than Orndorff. I could very well be wrong but that's how this is adding up to me. Didn't Orndorff speak out sometime before the new UW staff was assembled that he was still committed to coming here? Now after all the chips are in place within the staff he decides he wants to look around... Seems like maybe the new staff might be onto higher rated recruits and he was made aware of the situation..
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Posted: 2/13/2012 11:30 AM
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Badgerboi21 wrote: Personally I feel like he was given some advice from someone within the UW football program to explore other opportunities. The timing of this situation leads me to believe it was more UW than Orndorff. I could very well be wrong but that's how this is adding up to me. Didn't Orndorff speak out sometime before the new UW staff was assembled that he was still committed to coming here? Now after all the chips are in place within the staff he decides he wants to look around... Seems like maybe the new staff might be onto higher rated recruits and he was made aware of the situation.. Not sure that holds water. ESPN has Orndoff listed as a five-star recruit.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 11:38 AM
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I have searched ESPN relentlessly and can't find a ranking period for Orndorff. In fact the only thing I can find on ESPN about him was him committing to UW. He is unranked still on TOS.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 12:08 PM
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MayhemMadness wrote: I have searched ESPN relentlessly and can't find a ranking period for Orndorff. In fact the only thing I can find on ESPN about him was him committing to UW. He is unranked still on TOS. Look under Wisconsin 2013 player commits.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 12:32 PM
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I think it is a misprint because he has no stars next to him, and the team has one 5 star kid. Plus he most feel that he is going to out grow the TE position. I like him, but 5 stars is a little high.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 1:23 PM
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MayhemMadness wrote: I think it is a misprint because he has no stars next to him, and the team has one 5 star kid. Plus he most feel that he is going to out grow the TE position. I like him, but 5 stars is a little high. Scout's Top 300 has not been released yet. He'll be ranked when that comes out.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 3:32 PM
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HotTimes wrote: As I posted on a few previous threads, head coaches move all the time too. Something like 85 of the 120 FBS programs have a head coach who has been there less than four or five years.
If you're a recruit and you're committing to anything other than the school/program, with possible exception to the very established HCs that are far more likely to be there for your stay, then odds say you're going to be disappointed when the HC or assistant you committed to leaves well before you do. It's not even that it could happen. The numbers don't lie and they say it's far more likely that it WILL happen than it won't. I totally agree with you in general. But in this young man's case the coach and the program are difficult to distinguish. It's not like cases where a kid's lead recruiter leaves and the recruiter doesn't even coach the kid's position. Here, it seems obvious that he signed on for Bostad and in his mind Bostad WAS the program as for as the OL is concerned. I think there is some merit to that belief.
Yes Bostad was replaced with a good OL coach, but you have to admit that there is something fairly special about Bostad and his results. He had attained a status unique among college position coaches in that virtually everyone agreed that he was among the one ortwo best at his job in the country. You can't just say that everyone who plays OL at UW will become great just because they have a motion W on their helmets. The coach is a huge part of it. I can't blame a kid for reconsidering moving far away from home if that coach just moved to the kid's own backyard. I think Bostad was very good in his job, but claiming virtually everyone agrees that he is among the top two? That is a bit of puffery. I think that some coaches would say that Harry Hiestand is among the elite, others that would say Jeff Stoutland is impressive, B12 fans would say Jeff Wickline does a great job, and others would say our own Coach Markuson is special. That list goes on much deeper than those few names that come to mind quickly. Point is, Bostad was very good, but let's not put him (or any coach) on a pedestal as elite. Good yes, great on some days, elite and top two?. So much goes into coaching that we never see, ability to recruit, to mentor, to lead, to develop, etc. Those of us not making our money from football need to be careful when we toss terms around like "virtually everyone agrees he is in the top two..." as we simply don't know what all D1 coaches would say. By saying that Bostad was top two, we are not respecting that a very good football coach in Houston Nutt, thought that Markuson was the best. Miss State may had ended badly for Coach Nutt, but he was and is a heck of a football guy who created some very good teams in his run. If lyou read Dennis Dodd's 2008 article, our own Coach Markuson was rated in the top five at his position. Not saying that is correct or Bostad would not be in the top five, but please, let's not think our lost love was the only one that could coach at a high level. Cheers...DBQBadger |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 5:08 PM
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Badgerboi21 wrote: Personally I feel like he was given some advice from someone within the UW football program to explore other opportunities. The timing of this situation leads me to believe it was more UW than Orndorff. I could very well be wrong but that's how this is adding up to me. Didn't Orndorff speak out sometime before the new UW staff was assembled that he was still committed to coming here? Now after all the chips are in place within the staff he decides he wants to look around... Seems like maybe the new staff might be onto higher rated recruits and he was made aware of the situation.. BB21...normally...I would blow that off as "rhetoric"...but I honestly agree..this class is "so small"..that they probably view Orndorff.....as a luxury....I have no problem believing that the staff...told him to..."look around"! |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 7:18 PM
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Kilgore309 wrote:
I totally agree with you in general. But in this young man's case the coach and the program are difficult to distinguish. It's not like cases where a kid's lead recruiter leaves and the recruiter doesn't even coach the kid's position. Here, it seems obvious that he signed on for Bostad and in his mind Bostad WAS the program as for as the OL is concerned. I think there is some merit to that belief.
Yes Bostad was replaced with a good OL coach, but you have to admit that there is something fairly special about Bostad and his results.
Bostad was not only replaced by a good OL coach, he was preceded by two very good ones as well in Hueber & Palcic. It may well be that he was better than those guys or than Markuson will be. But to claim he was on another level - that the gap was some great chasm does them a great disservice and simply isn't supported by facts. It would be interesting to list the offensive linemen each OL coach has "put into the NFL" (I say it that way because it's obviously a function of talent, team, and luck in addition to coaching). But I did do some digging a little while back when people were comparing Montee Ball with Dayne & saying that Ball's OL was much better - when you add up the career starts in the NFL of guys like Tausch (132), Rabach (118), Wunsch (51) Gibson (34) and McIntosh (13), to say Bostad was the program as far as OL is concerned is...well, laughable. And those were just the guys who blocked for Dayne during his 4 years here. Add Thomas, Al Johnson & Buenning to that list as well. And while he coached them for a year or more, Carimi, Urbik, Moffit and Nagy were all guys who committed and/or were on board before Bostad came. Don't get me wrong - none of this is a criticism of Bostad, who I'd agree was an outstanding coach here. I wouldn't even disagree that he was the best OL coach we've had. But to say he "was the program" is just foolishness.
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- Bo Pelini 9/29/12 after a 30-27 win over Wisconsin. Nebraska then gave up 70 pts and 539 rushing yards in the Conference Title Game rematch.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 7:46 PM
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Very well stated. --------------------------------------------- --- multimed wrote: Kilgore309 wrote:
I totally agree with you in general. But in this young man's case the coach and the program are difficult to distinguish. It's not like cases where a kid's lead recruiter leaves and the recruiter doesn't even coach the kid's position. Here, it seems obvious that he signed on for Bostad and in his mind Bostad WAS the program as for as the OL is concerned. I think there is some merit to that belief.
Yes Bostad was replaced with a good OL coach, but you have to admit that there is something fairly special about Bostad and his results.
Bostad was not only replaced by a good OL coach, he was preceded by two very good ones as well in Hueber & Palcic. It may well be that he was better than those guys or than Markuson will be. But to claim he was on another level - that the gap was some great chasm does them a great disservice and simply isn't supported by facts. It would be interesting to list the offensive linemen each OL coach has "put into the NFL" (I say it that way because it's obviously a function of talent, team, and luck in addition to coaching). But I did do some digging a little while back when people were comparing Montee Ball with Dayne & saying that Ball's OL was much better - when you add up the career starts in the NFL of guys like Tausch (132), Rabach (118), Wunsch (51) Gibson (34) and McIntosh (13), to say Bostad was the program as far as OL is concerned is...well, laughable. And those were just the guys who blocked for Dayne during his 4 years here. Add Thomas, Al Johnson & Buenning to that list as well. And while he coached them for a year or more, Carimi, Urbik, Moffit and Nagy were all guys who committed and/or were on board before Bostad came. Don't get me wrong - none of this is a criticism of Bostad, who I'd agree was an outstanding coach here. I wouldn't even disagree that he was the best OL coach we've had. But to say he "was the program" is just foolishness. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 12:22 PM
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Bostad continued a (now) long tradition of fine OL coaches at Wisconsin. Personally, I would be unwilling to name him the best of the lot. I think that honor still belongs to Hueber. Markuson appears to be in the same mold and am excited to see his work over the next few seasons.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 2:26 PM
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1BadgerFan wrote:
Very well stated.
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--- multimed wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
I totally agree with you in general. But in this young man's case the coach and the program are difficult to distinguish. It's not like cases where a kid's lead recruiter leaves and the recruiter doesn't even coach the kid's position. Here, it seems obvious that he signed on for Bostad and in his mind Bostad WAS the program as for as the OL is concerned. I think there is some merit to that belief.
Yes Bostad was replaced with a good OL coach, but you have to admit that there is something fairly special about Bostad and his results.
Bostad was not only replaced by a good OL coach, he was preceded by two very good ones as well in Hueber & Palcic. It may well be that he was better than those guys or than Markuson will be. But to claim he was on another level - that the gap was some great chasm does them a great disservice and simply isn't supported by facts. It would be interesting to list the offensive linemen each OL coach has "put into the NFL" (I say it that way because it's obviously a function of talent, team, and luck in addition to coaching). But I did do some digging a little while back when people were comparing Montee Ball with Dayne & saying that Ball's OL was much better - when you add up the career starts in the NFL of guys like Tausch (132), Rabach (118), Wunsch (51) Gibson (34) and McIntosh (13), to say Bostad was the program as far as OL is concerned is...well, laughable. And those were just the guys who blocked for Dayne during his 4 years here. Add Thomas, Al Johnson & Buenning to that list as well. And while he coached them for a year or more, Carimi, Urbik, Moffit and Nagy were all guys who committed and/or were on board before Bostad came.
Don't get me wrong - none of this is a criticism of Bostad, who I'd agree was an outstanding coach here. I wouldn't even disagree that he was the best OL coach we've had. But to say he "was the program" is just foolishness.
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When I say he "was the program" I'm only talking about the OL and only through Orndorff's eyes. Did he commit 14 months early because he had always dreamed of being a Badger, or did he do it because he thought that playing OL for Bostad was the surest way to the NFL? To him, being a Badger probably goes no farther than being a Bostad protege. If Bostad is no longer here and he has no other real connection to the program, then the whole picture has changed for him. I have no interest in comparing Bostad with Huber. Like I said, he knows that you don't become a great OL just by putting on the cardinal and white. You have to be trained, and if he trusted Bostad's coaching ability and is unsure of Markuson's, then go look around. I'm trying to distinguish that situation from, say, Denman, who claimed that he loved Rutgers in large part because of his close relationship with his recruiter, the TIGHT ENDS coach. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 4:25 PM
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Don't want to be repetitive...however....after seeing the list of new offers....and the talent level anticipated for Junior Day...with the very small class...I can easily see Orndorff being someone they can "pass on". Not meant in any way, to denigrate the young man, but with a class of 10-12...we have other more glaring needs....again...JMHO!
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:53 PM
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Maybe orndorf can hang with unknown post game at pitt? will be a TON of space in the post game tailgate once the 16k fans leave mid third........................... Wow, unknown, PC and a case of rolling rock swapping war stories, sounds like a blast!  |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 6:58 PM
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buckyfever1 wrote: Maybe orndorf can hang with unknown post game at pitt? will be a TON of space in the post game tailgate once the 16k fans leave mid third...........................
Wow, unknown, PC and a case of rolling rock swapping war stories, sounds like a blast! Nah, PC and I would rather sit around drinking a Yuengling while waiting for the next stupid thing you and Biff have to say. We certainly won't get drunk, it won't take long before one of you breaks down.  |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 9:01 AM
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buckyfever1 wrote: Maybe orndorf can hang with unknown post game at pitt? will be a TON of space in the post game tailgate once the 16k fans leave mid third...........................
Wow, unknown, PC and a case of rolling rock swapping war stories, sounds like a blast! They'll have to be quick as this gig won't last long. |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 1:30 PM
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Unknown must be in mourning today. Faulkner, bostad have left this "tight" family of coaches at Pitt.
Wow, shocking.......................................... |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 1:34 PM
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Ask your bud PC (when hes on his 2nd Yuengling) what he will me making/doing if he's not AT LEAST 60-19 like BIFF is given he has five times the in state talent to recruit?
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Posted: 2/18/2012 4:38 PM
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buckyfever1 wrote:Unknown must be in mourning today. Faulkner, bostad have left this "tight" family of coaches at Pitt.
Wow, shocking.......................................... Doesn't bother me at all, fever. More or less expected, really. In fact, I'm sure PC was well aware of Bostad's desire to try out the NFL and consequently snapped up Hueber who also is just as good if not better an OL coach as Markuson. Wouldn't you say? Nah, you wouldn't say that because he too didn't care much for BB. Sorry, fever, this is just more evidence that people wanted out of your world of OZ after stomaching Biff's act for years even IF it was to leave their home state. |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 4:46 PM
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buckyfever1 wrote: Ask your bud PC (when hes on his 2nd Yuengling) what he will me making/doing if he's not AT LEAST 60-19 like BIFF is given he has five times the in state talent to recruit? What you tend to forget is Wisconsin was 70-22 with Paul Chryst's offense in PC's time at Wisconsin and how mediocre BBs specialty the D has been during Chryst's time at Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 2/18/2012 5:03 PM
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UnknownBadger wrote:
buckyfever1 wrote: Ask your bud PC (when hes on his 2nd Yuengling) what he will me making/doing if he's not AT LEAST 60-19 like BIFF is given he has five times the in state talent to recruit? What you tend to forget is Wisconsin was 70-22 with Paul Chryst's offense in PC's time at Wisconsin and how mediocre BBs specialty the D has been during Chryst's time at Wisconsin. I find it interesting that one of the things you use to justify your hatred of BB is his record in bowl games. During Chryst's span his high powered offense put up 17, 17, 13, 20 and 19 prior to this years 38. The two wins that UW picked up came about as a result of a defense being able to hold teams to 14 twice (including the Miami game where the first TD came after a huge kickoff return). In the losses, the defense gave up 21, 42 (in a game where the offense couldn't move the ball to save their lives and actually gave up points themselves including the illfated lateral) and 21 prior to giving up 45 to Oregon this season. Based on this it looks like the onlyt thing standing between at best a 1-5 record in bowl games was the play of the defense. Prior to this year the Cryst offense really struggled to put up points when teams had the bowl season to prepare. Am I missing something?
Last edited 2/18/2012 5:04 PM by D3Badger
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Posted: 2/19/2012 7:32 AM
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D3Badger wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
buckyfever1 wrote: Ask your bud PC (when hes on his 2nd Yuengling) what he will me making/doing if he's not AT LEAST 60-19 like BIFF is given he has five times the in state talent to recruit? What you tend to forget is Wisconsin was 70-22 with Paul Chryst's offense in PC's time at Wisconsin and how mediocre BBs specialty the D has been during Chryst's time at Wisconsin. I find it interesting that one of the things you use to justify your hatred of BB is his record in bowl games. During Chryst's span his high powered offense put up 17, 17, 13, 20 and 19 prior to this years 38. The two wins that UW picked up came about as a result of a defense being able to hold teams to 14 twice (including the Miami game where the first TD came after a huge kickoff return). In the losses, the defense gave up 21, 42 (in a game where the offense couldn't move the ball to save their lives and actually gave up points themselves including the illfated lateral) and 21 prior to giving up 45 to Oregon this season. Based on this it looks like the onlyt thing standing between at best a 1-5 record in bowl games was the play of the defense. Prior to this year the Cryst offense really struggled to put up points when teams had the bowl season to prepare. Am I missing something? D3, what you are missing is that I don't hate BB at all. He's not perfect, and needs to learn how to handle himself better on the sidelines AND in public but he's helped and moved along a winning program. What I hate is people who think that God resides in Wisconsin only as a number of people who frequent this board believe. Chryst left for a better job. Bostad, Rudolph, etc followed for their own reasons. Whether it was because they didn't care for the boss or not is irrelevant really. They left for what THEY viewed as very good reasons like everyone of us would. To hate on THEM like fever does is as childish as a baby having his pacifier taken away. Bielema has a very good won/lost record. So does Chryst, Bostad and company (btw, the players had something to do with that). P.S As I've said many times when the Stooges quit their s*** and their attacks on me, I will stop mine on them. NOT before. I've tried. They haven't. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 8:25 AM
What is the story on Orndoff? He committed to WI so long
ago, but now it appears he is open to being recruited again. He was at PSU last weekend, is from Pittsburgh, and your old OC is the new HC at Pitt. He is a real talent as evidenced by his highlight film, and although PSU is doing pretty well in their recruitment of Breneman, the 5 star TE out of Harrisburg, PA, I'm not sure he is any better than Orndoff. What is your best guess as to Orndoff's final destination, WI or elsewhere?
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