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Will not agressivley pursuing DTs will hurt us sooner than later

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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:02 PM

Will not agressivley pursuing DTs will hurt us sooner than later 


What is going on with our lack of pursuit of DTs?
I think I went to UW.... I have the diploma!!!
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:10 PM

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I don't know what you're talking about, and perhaps you don't know either...

I checked this boards "prospects" list and found 10 DTs with offers.
That is very aggressive in my mind.

Now 'signing' those offered DTs is a different story.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:40 PM

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justwinbadgers wrote: They are not actively recruiting the DT spot anymore for this cycle. They play on moving Sheehy inside and they want to try and move Pfaff to the inside. McKenzie already eliminated WI since WI' coaches haven't talked to him for months. 
Jackster62 wrote: What is going on with our lack of pursuit of DTs?
i wonder who this is........
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Posted: 6/22/2014 1:03 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
justwinbadgers wrote: They are not actively recruiting the DT spot anymore for this cycle. They play on moving Sheehy inside and they want to try and move Pfaff to the inside. McKenzie already eliminated WI since WI' coaches haven't talked to him for months. 
Jackster62 wrote: What is going on with our lack of pursuit of DTs?
i wonder who this is........
One post and reveals himself. That's pretty incredible.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 1:15 PM

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I hope there's no limit to the ignore list.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 3:14 PM

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Sheehy and Pfaff may work out inside someday but they are not the traditional DTs we are use to getting.  I am used to us recruiting those big old blocks of cement that are used to tying up the middle so that the faster ends (OLBs) can get to quarterback in a 3 -4 defense.
I think I went to UW.... I have the diploma!!!
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Posted: 6/22/2014 7:08 PM

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Yes we recruit those big blocks of cement, but the only one we landed in the last 4 years besides Jeremy Patterson was Beau Allen. We recruited, but didn't land any of them.
Jackster62 wrote: Sheehy and Pfaff may work out inside someday but they are not the traditional DTs we are use to getting.  I am used to us recruiting those big old blocks of cement that are used to tying up the middle so that the faster ends (OLBs) can get to quarterback in a 3 -4 defense.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 7:45 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
justwinbadgers wrote: They are not actively recruiting the DT spot anymore for this cycle. They play on moving Sheehy inside and they want to try and move Pfaff to the inside. McKenzie already eliminated WI since WI' coaches haven't talked to him for months. 
Jackster62 wrote: What is going on with our lack of pursuit of DTs?
i wonder who this is........
One post and reveals himself. That's pretty incredible.

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Steve S. Doesn't even try anymore. One of his old names on 247sports was justwinnebraska haha. Now he goes by Andika over there
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Posted: 6/23/2014 7:34 AM

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I knew that was him. Andika. He's so obvious.

His anonymizer might help shield his IP address from being revealed but his posts make it obvious who he is.


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UnknownBadger wrote:
justwinbadgers wrote: They are not actively recruiting the DT spot anymore for this cycle. They play on moving Sheehy inside and they want to try and move Pfaff to the inside. McKenzie already eliminated WI since WI' coaches haven't talked to him for months. 
Jackster62 wrote: What is going on with our lack of pursuit of DTs?
i wonder who this is........
One post and reveals himself. That's pretty incredible.

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Steve S. Doesn't even try anymore. One of his old names on 247sports was justwinnebraska haha. Now he goes by Andika over there

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Posted: 6/23/2014 8:07 AM

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Back to the topic at hand, apparently some of you are under the impression that the pool of potential signees becomes frozen after June 1st. There will probably be another half dozen more NT prospects that will pop up on the recruiting radar between now and signing day. I doubt the staff is done with the position for the cycle.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 9:01 AM

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UW actually just extended an offer to Olive Sagapulo, a 6'3", 295 lb defensive tackle from Mater Dei that had a big day at the All-Polynesian camp. With UW being his first offer and Kyle Penniston being his teammate, you have to feel good about our chances in this one.
Sure...I'll take a look.

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Posted: 6/23/2014 9:59 AM

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Was just going to mention that. Really like how this staff is recruiting more on a national level than the previous staff. I don't recall BB and co hitting any all-Poly camps. Consequently, the geographic diversity of '15 commitments is impressive. Though simply recruiting in more regions isn't enough. Hoping they're offering the right guys and that some if the diamonds in the rough will pan out along with the OL, TE, etc. commits who are more sought after.


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UW actually just extended an offer to Olive Sagapulo, a 6'3", 295 lb defensive tackle from Mater Dei that had a big day at the All-Polynesian camp. With UW being his first offer and Kyle Penniston being his teammate, you have to feel good about our chances in this one.

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Posted: 6/23/2014 11:10 AM

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weballin wrote: Was just going to mention that. Really like how this staff is recruiting more on a national level than the previous staff. I don't recall BB and co hitting any all-Poly camps. Consequently, the geographic diversity of '15 commitments is impressive. Though simply recruiting in more regions isn't enough. Hoping they're offering the right guys and that some if the diamonds in the rough will pan out along with the OL, TE, etc. commits who are more sought after.


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UW actually just extended an offer to Olive Sagapulo, a 6'3", 295 lb defensive tackle from Mater Dei that had a big day at the All-Polynesian camp. With UW being his first offer and Kyle Penniston being his teammate, you have to feel good about our chances in this one.

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Last edited 6/23/2014 11:11 AM by NewerBreed

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Posted: 6/23/2014 11:17 PM

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Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:11 AM

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Intlbadger wrote: Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
The Miami approach makes sense when you are building to play a 1-Gap, 4-3 Defense. The SEC Team that does something similar is LSU. Alabama is not employing this philosophy for their 3-4. No 3-4 team is trying to get smaller at 5T/3T/0T.

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Posted: 6/25/2014 8:37 AM

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That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
Intlbadger wrote: Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 10:10 AM

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Bacchus1 wrote: That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
Intlbadger wrote: Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
Show me one LB on MSU that weighs anywhere near 250#. LSU has one and most are as small or smaller than Wisconsin's converted Safeties.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:25 AM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote: That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
Intlbadger wrote: Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
Show me one LB on MSU that weighs anywhere near 250#. LSU has one and most are as small or smaller than Wisconsin's converted Safeties.

Quit looking at facts. This is about making crap up to support ridiculous opinions, particularly that this staff can't recruit worth a damn. MSU has one LB over 240. LSU has ONE. 

Didn't you know that every great football player came into college playing the same position they went on to play in the pros, at the same weight?

Edit: This staff could recruit 2-star 220 pound tight end JJ Watt and this board would have some idiot saying the idea of converting him to a DE is dumb. It's just how it is. 

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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:35 AM

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Bacchus1 wrote: That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
You know where it also might just be a pretty good fit? A place like Wisconsin with a history of development of players - with third, fourth & fifth year players who step up & become highly productive on the field. 

Though that recruiting better thing is pretty genius. It's a wonder neither our current coach nor his predecessors never thought of it. confused

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:26 PM

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multimed wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote: That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
You know where it also might just be a pretty good fit? A place like Wisconsin with a history of development of players - with third, fourth & fifth year players who step up & become highly productive on the field. 

Though that recruiting better thing is pretty genius. It's a wonder neither our current coach nor his predecessors never thought of it. confused
That's all fine and dandy, but let's not all hail the greatness that is Aranda because he has some amazing scheme that will make us the most dominating defense in the world. 

No, he's doing what he can with what he has.

And I still stand by the fact that UW needs to recruit better than BB days. And it's not yet a lot better, although it's trending positive.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:36 PM

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Don't forget Alabi, at 6'5", 295.He still may come to Wisconsin, too. He could play inside or out.
And remember, Coach Anderson was used to recruiting NR and 2 star kids at Utah, and he turned them into GREAT TEAMS.
The J.J. Watt story proves it, too. There are a lot of guys out there.
Don't worry, Coach Andersen will get it done!
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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:36 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote: That approach works when you can't get the athletes you need with the size you need. For a place like Utah State, that works.

But don't believe for a second that consistently Elite defenses are applying this model. Does Alabama do that? Michigan State? LSU? etc.?

No, they get 250lb LBs that can run 4.6s, cover in space, and hit like tanks. When you're unable to recruit that, you convert Safeties down to cover this gap. Will it work? I guess we'll see.

Alternatively you could recruit better. 
Intlbadger wrote: Vision.  What is needed on the board at times is vision.  If you look at what this particular staff has done, it has converted safeties to linebackers, linebakers to defensive ends.  It has Sheehy and Hirshfield on the roster- although DEs they will be bulked up to DTs over the next 2 cycles.  This will give the position the needed bulk + speed and athleticism. 

One case in point is the U of Miami (and please do no sidestep my comments by referring to a mythic Thug U) during its heydays with Jimmy Johnson and the coach before him.  In order to have a fast, athletic, and stocky defense - the recruited this way.  i.e., corners became safeties, safeties were converted to linebackers, linebackers became DEs and DEs went to Dts.  We all know the havoc those defenses wrecked on opponents.  In our own time, SEC teams still recruit with this method in mind- and we know the results. 

A little bit of vision can easily see what a defensive mind such as Coach A and Coach Aranda are working towards quite easily.  I can't wait for the system to be fully installed.
Show me one LB on MSU that weighs anywhere near 250#. LSU has one and most are as small or smaller than Wisconsin's converted Safeties.
Not that I have a dog in this argument, but MSU's Taiwan Jones is a 250 pound-plus linebacker who started all of last year and part of the year before.  Of course, last year Bullough was close to 250 pounds as well.  The two likely starters expected to play with Jones this season are 4th year juniors who are about 230 pounds each.

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