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James Morgan - UW might not be done at QB

Posted: 6/10/2014 2:14 PM

James Morgan - UW might not be done at QB 


When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
Sure...I'll take a look.

Last edited 6/10/2014 2:44 PM by XRayBadger

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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:04 PM

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XRayBadger wrote: 
What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
I think it's probably more simple than that. They've got Kafentzis' commit - presumably no promises made about not bringing in anyone else. And not like the guy would care - nothing about him strikes me as a guy who's afraid of competition - just the opposite. So with a bird in the hand already, but you've got an in-state kid who looks like he can play - why not make a run at him too? 

BB had a philosophy with QB recruiting - believing that being firm about one scholarship QB per year would help land higher quality recruits. We can debate the effectiveness - and certainly it exposes you when there's a string of bad luck, but it's not an unreasonable approach. GA clearly does not follow that philosophy.

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:04 PM

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The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
XRayBadger wrote: When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:36 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
XRayBadger wrote: When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.

Surprisingly I agree with you.  I get that he may not be perfect for what they want to do but if it turns out he can play and the guys with more speed can't you'll be extremely happy you have him.  If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB.  On the other hand if I'm Morgan I'd be pushing for a UW offer to kick start my recruitment and bring in other offers.  UW definitely wouldn't be my first choice with the way things have unfolded, even if I grew up a Badger fan.

Last edited 6/10/2014 3:37 PM by Kilgore309

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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:40 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
XRayBadger wrote: When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
Seems to me, they are.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:54 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote: Surprisingly I agree with you.  I get that he may not be perfect for what they want to do but if it turns out he can play and the guys with more speed can't you'll be extremely happy you have him.  If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB.  On the other hand if I'm Morgan I'd be pushing for a UW offer to kick start my recruitment and bring in other offers.  UW definitely wouldn't be my first choice with the way things have unfolded, even if I grew up a Badger fan.
I also think there is room for a lot more quarterback variability in the new system than we tend to believe. When we hear about the staff's desire for a mobile quarterback, we reflexively think of a Mike Vick style athlete. In reality though, I think the staff would be more than happy to build around a strong armed quarterback with mobility more in line with Aaron Rodgers. (And no, Stave and Houston don't fit this bill.) If Morgan can throw the ball as well as advertised, being able to roll out, extend the play, and keep the defense honest should be enough mobility to give defensive coordinators headaches.
Sure...I'll take a look.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:54 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
Which banned account were you saying that on again?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 4:59 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
Which banned account were you saying that on again?

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Lol. FWIW David Edwards is probably a better fit for what the staff wants from a qb than Morgan.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 5:30 PM

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Correct.


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theunknownfan81 wrote: The staff wants their own players. Not hard to figure this stuff out. They are telling a low offered 3-star linebacker out of Texas that he can come in and start as a freshman. 

I watched Morgan play a few games via replay. He can fling it, but he isn't a stud QB when you look at it on a national picture. 

Wisconsin would be wise to offer him so they have someone big that can fling it. I have been saying for two years already that it would be stupid to let him leave the state and I don't give a crap what ideal schematic QB they want to make fans feel warm and fuzzy. Recruit the damn guy already. 
XRayBadger wrote: When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
Surprisingly I agree with you.  I get that he may not be perfect for what they want to do but if it turns out he can play and the guys with more speed can't you'll be extremely happy you have him.  If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB.  On the other hand if I'm Morgan I'd be pushing for a UW offer to kick start my recruitment and bring in other offers.  UW definitely wouldn't be my first choice with the way things have unfolded, even if I grew up a Badger fan.



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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:03 PM

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XRayBadger wrote: When Austin Kafentzis committed to UW last summer, the prevailing belief was that UW had its one and only quarterback for the 2015 class. Sure, the staff was going to kick the tires on a few other prospects - they even offered one five star kid from Florida - but, with three returning quarterbacks and an incoming four star recruit in DJ Gillins, there was no real reason to believe UW was considering taking two quarterbacks.

For most fans of UW recruiting, Kafentzis was one of, if not the most, exciting recruits UW had ever landed. Although he lacked ideal size, Kafentzis was a world class athlete with great speed, an almost un-human ability to throw the javelin, and video game-esque football stats. But for many fans of high school football in Wisconsin, there was a bitter sweet aspect of this commitment. With UW landing Kafentzis, it seemed that they were now going to let in-state quarterback James Morgan slip away.

For those not familiar, James Morgan is a 6'4", 205 lb prospect from Ashwaubenon who looks to be one of the best quarterback prospects to come out of Wisconsin in several years. He first popped up on the national radar as a sophomore after a strong performance at the Ohio Elite 11. He followed that up with a monster junior season at AHS that culminated in Morgan being named the Fox River Classic Conference Offensive Player of the Year and All State Honorable Mention. He didn't stop there though; in January, Morgan put together yet another impressive performance, this time at the U.S. Army National Combine, en route to being named to the All Combine Team.

Despite the accolades, UW never seemed like a realistic option for Morgan. Throughout the fall and winter, they kept in contact but never appeared genuinely interested in recruiting Morgan. However, this spring things began to pick up. UW started coming by Ashwaubenon a little more frequently and the phone began to ring a little more often. Fast forward to the present, UW has driven to Green Bay to see Morgan throw several times, will have him at camp this weekend, and appears to be back in the thick of his recruitment. More interesting though, is the buzz out of Green Bay, that ranges from "Morgan is close to a UW offer" to "Morgan was told to expect an offer after camp."

What does that mean for UW? Although trying to read a coach's mind is a fool's errand, given the timing, it's hard not to correlate the new-found interest in Morgan with Bart Houston's depth chart free fall. It's also possible that Kafentzis' elite athleticism has the coaches thinking his future might be at safety rather than at quarterback. Most likely though, James Morgan might simply be too good for the coaching staff to let slip away to a rival B1G program. In any event, the next few weeks should be fun to watch.
Sounds good. Too bad about BH but not the first well regarded QB not to work out at UW. Also coach change hurt him.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:13 PM

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Or perhaps BH is headed elsewhere...
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:26 AM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB. 
I would argue that if there's one position you can have too many guys, it's QB.  Most teams only play one at a time.  Having multiple QBs sit on the bench just means you're wasting scholies.


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:06 AM

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UWRX95 wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB. 
I would argue that if there's one position you can have too many guys, it's QB.  Most teams only play one at a time.  Having multiple QBs sit on the bench just means you're wasting scholies.
Not only that, there's only so much practice time (snaps) a staff can devote to each. 5 is about the most you want to carry at one time and then you are probably not giving someone what he needs.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:59 AM

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UWRX95 wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB. 
I would argue that if there's one position you can have too many guys, it's QB.  Most teams only play one at a time.  Having multiple QBs sit on the bench just means you're wasting scholies.
Tell that to Scott Tolzien. biggrin
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Posted: 6/11/2014 8:28 AM

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The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:24 AM

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badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
I believe there were already 2 QBs committed before Navarre quit pussy footing around. Scott Wille and Jim Sorgi.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:33 AM

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UWRX95 wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
If there is one position where it's OK to have one guy too many it's QB. 
I would argue that if there's one position you can have too many guys, it's QB.  Most teams only play one at a time.  Having multiple QBs sit on the bench just means you're wasting scholies.
No position has more guys that eventually transfer or moved to another position than QB.  More guys competing should make for higher caliber performance.  They know going in that perhaps as many as half the QB's signed will end up elsewhere eventually.  It's the nature of the position.  For the player it's all about getting on the field.   If you can make it at a major D1 program, great.  If you try and fail, there are lower levels waiting for you.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:38 AM

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There is a Wisconsin recruiting analyst that said this morning that one of his sources said there is zero chance Morgan gets an offer this weekend. 

If he heads out to MN he will be a multi-year starter for them. 
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:40 AM

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badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 9:57 AM

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We didn't recruit Wilson out of high school and we didn't develop him. Wilson came here for a season and then to the NFL. 
get49 wrote:
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 11:12 AM

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I think Tom Parrish from Arrowhead was the last B1G quarterback (Minnesota) from the state. I saw him play a few times and Parrish was a very good athlete (AHS was running the veer) but I don't think he had an exceptionally strong arm. I know ajmadison lobbied for a badger offer when he was a senior.  He might actually have been given much stronger consideration by the current staff due to his athleticism.
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 11:17 AM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: We didn't recruit Wilson out of high school and we didn't develop him. Wilson came here for a season and then to the NFL. 
get49 wrote:
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
Wilson's game changed a whole lot from what it was at NCSU. It was most certainly refined at Wisconsin. BTW, those 4 QBs covered a span of 8 years in the new millennium. I'm curious to know how many Michigan or Tosu or UNL have had during that time frame.

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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:07 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: We didn't recruit Wilson out of high school and we didn't develop him. Wilson came here for a season and then to the NFL. 
get49 wrote:
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
"we didn't develop him."    I know that you didn't hear that from Wilson.  I think that you should ask him that question sometime.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:09 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: We didn't recruit Wilson out of high school and we didn't develop him. Wilson came here for a season and then to the NFL. 
get49 wrote:
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
If you think Wilson's game didn't develop further under Chryst you don't know as much about football as you think you do.  It wouldn't surprise me one bit if RW has said privately that he wished he would have spent 4-5 years at UW under Chryst.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:15 PM

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badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
If you think we haven't had decent QBs in the past you must be sleeping through UW games.  Just because a QB isn't named Johnny "Football" Manziel doesn't mean he's a bad QB.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:13 PM

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theunknownfan81 wrote: There is a Wisconsin recruiting analyst that said this morning that one of his sources said there is zero chance Morgan gets an offer this weekend.
I saw that today as well and it made me laugh. The buzz out of Green Bay - which presumably began somewhere inside the Morgan camp - has been remarkably different from this "zero chance" quote coming out of UW's camp. And while it's easy to fault a prospect for misinterpreting what a coach said, there were enough specific things that were said and done in the past month or two that it's hard to pin this all on Morgan's unbridled optimism.

The whole thing reminds me of the buddy we all have that acts madly in love whenever his girlfriend is around and, as soon as she leaves, spends the whole time telling you how unattached and ambivalent he is about the relationship.
Sure...I'll take a look.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:34 PM

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Yep...that is what he wrote though. Who knows if it is hot ass garbage like the other thing he wrote this morning about some upper secretive high school player...lol..lol. 
XRayBadger wrote:
theunknownfan81 wrote: There is a Wisconsin recruiting analyst that said this morning that one of his sources said there is zero chance Morgan gets an offer this weekend.
I saw that today as well and it made me laugh. The buzz out of Green Bay - which presumably began somewhere inside the Morgan camp - has been remarkably different from this "zero chance" quote coming out of UW's camp. And while it's easy to fault a prospect for misinterpreting what a coach said, there were enough specific things that were said and done in the past month or two that it's hard to pin this all on Morgan's unbridled optimism.

The whole thing reminds me of the buddy we all have that acts madly in love whenever his girlfriend is around and, as soon as she leaves, spends the whole time telling you how unattached and ambivalent he is about the relationship.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:35 PM

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Refining tools of a QB in his last season in college football isn't the same as taking a high school kid and developing him. The situations are not the same. 
rmh924 wrote:
theunknownfan81 wrote: We didn't recruit Wilson out of high school and we didn't develop him. Wilson came here for a season and then to the NFL. 
get49 wrote:
badgermitt wrote: The last time the State of Wisconsin had a BIG caliber quarterback he went to the U of Michigan and starred because Barry Alvarez promised another Wisconsin product the only QB scholarship for the year. We all know that number of stars and high school performance do not guarantee success moving forward to college. Maybe Gary Andersen does not want to repeat the BA mistake. We don't know who will get injured or who will not pick up the offense and QB is the most important position on the field. UW has not done well at QB recruiting in the past. I hope they don't pass on an in state kid, especially a kid interested in playing in the BIG conference.
UW has done such a terrible job recruiting QBs in recent history that only Bollinger, Sorgi, Tolzien, & Wilson made NFL rosters for multiple years.  Even Danny O'Brien got a tryout even though I think he ended up trying out in the CFL.
If you think Wilson's game didn't develop further under Chryst you don't know as much about football as you think you do.  It wouldn't surprise me one bit if RW has said privately that he wished he would have spent 4-5 years at UW under Chryst.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:42 PM

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RW has never even hinted at such a thing and says very little about his college days ever (unless in a paid commercial). I think RW mostly would credit RW with his development. He's a very mysterious guy in many ways.  I think he is well respected on the team but I don't think he has many close friends. It would be nice to see what is really behind that carefully crafted facade.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:50 PM

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911sfan wrote: RW has never even hinted at such a thing and says very little about his college days ever (unless in a paid commercial). I think RW mostly would credit RW with his development. He's a very mysterious guy in many ways.  I think he is well respected on the team but I don't think he has many close friends. It would be nice to see what is really behind that carefully crafted facade.
Must take a lot of effort to be as good a db as you try to be.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't take Wilson nearly as much effort being the guy he appears to be. BTW, he has publicly thanked Chryst for helping him get where he is today.
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