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Posted: 4/13/2013 7:36 AM

ohio prospects 


thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 9:33 AM

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I'm surprised on Snodgras as I thought he'd get more interest. Kentucky does have a fancy new coach.

Watkins will be the better player if we can get him.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 9:39 AM

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Robert Reynolds choking people. Clarett in prison. Pryor free tats. Tressel lying. This is not intended to be a flame. I just don't get what OSU is doing integrity-wise.

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--- dirtysouthbucks wrote:

thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.

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Posted: 4/13/2013 10:08 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.
Yeah that must be why Rob Wheelwright was rated pretty much identically to Snodgrass just last season. Nick Toon, Kraig Appleton...both rated higher and Jared Abbrederis wasn't rated at all but still manages to be the best WR in the B1G, imagine that. 

Now run along and remember the next time you're bored and want to say something dumb, just talk to the dog.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 10:32 AM

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spottedbadger wrote:
dirtysouthbucks wrote: thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.
Yeah that must be why Rob Wheelwright was rated pretty much identically to Snodgrass just last season. Nick Toon, Kraig Appleton...both rated higher and Jared Abbrederis wasn't rated at all but still manages to be the best WR in the B1G, imagine that. 

Now run along and remember the next time you're bored and want to say something dumb, just talk to the dog.
To be clear...Wheelright is rated higher (28th) than Snodgrass (30th) at this point.  Kraig Appleton was ranked 19th. Lance Kendricks was ranked 12th. We also have offers out to 6 guys ranked higher than Snodgrass and 3 more guys in the same range as him.  Maybe we missed the boat on Snodgrass...OR maybe we never really had a chance with him (OSU people don't seem to realize that not all schools can point to a guy and essentially land him). Oh by the way...we'll be playing for a chance to get to our 4th Rose Bowl in a row...maybe it is the other Big 10 schools you should be preaching to.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 4:56 PM

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Annoying post but something is going on with the SEC though. Even their shitty schools are recruiting much better. Kentucky, Old Miss, Candy, Miss St. It's either that everyone is buying the mantra that the SEC is the best and these kids all want to play (as if Alabama's quality will rub off somehow) or they're just somehow recruiting harder/better than ever before, whether that's above board or not. I just have to keep asking myself why anyone with options would want to go to Kentucky? Don't get it.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 6:06 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote: Annoying post but something is going on with the SEC though. Even their shitty schools are recruiting much better. Kentucky, Old Miss, Candy, Miss St. It's either that everyone is buying the mantra that the SEC is the best and these kids all want to play (as if Alabama's quality will rub off somehow) or they're just somehow recruiting harder/better than ever before, whether that's above board or not. I just have to keep asking myself why anyone with options would want to go to Kentucky? Don't get it.
There is a third option too...the people who rank the prospects and rank the recruiting classes.  I'm willing to bet that nothing changes with these lower SEC schools who are all of the sudden, supposedly recruiting much better...they'll still be borderline bowl teams and they'll still lose a lot of bowls.
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Posted: 4/13/2013 6:28 PM

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The fruit of the Buckeye tree is called the buckeye nut or bucknut for short.  It contains tannic acid which is toxic to cattle  and possibly humans.

My post was deleted because I told the op to suck a buck nut?

Please...  I guess my humor was a little too deep for the/a mod.
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Posted: 4/14/2013 6:37 AM

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jbooshey wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote: Annoying post but something is going on with the SEC though. Even their shitty schools are recruiting much better. Kentucky, Old Miss, Candy, Miss St. It's either that everyone is buying the mantra that the SEC is the best and these kids all want to play (as if Alabama's quality will rub off somehow) or they're just somehow recruiting harder/better than ever before, whether that's above board or not. I just have to keep asking myself why anyone with options would want to go to Kentucky? Don't get it.
There is a third option too...the people who rank the prospects and rank the recruiting classes.  I'm willing to bet that nothing changes with these lower SEC schools who are all of the sudden, supposedly recruiting much better...they'll still be borderline bowl teams and they'll still lose a lot of bowls.
Maybe, but ratings aside the point is that they're winning recruiting battles with non-SEC teams who they should have no business beating out based on their weak history on the field.  Eventually if you keep bringing in good talent the odds are that you're going to improve.
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Posted: 4/14/2013 10:22 PM

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columbusbadger wrote: Robert Reynolds choking people. Clarett in prison. Pryor free tats. Tressel lying. This is not intended to be a flame. I just don't get what OSU is doing integrity-wise.

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--- dirtysouthbucks wrote:

thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.

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good response.  if you are satisfied by losing three straight rose bowls, including to powerhouse TCU, right on.  meanwhile you are getting out recruited by UK.
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Posted: 4/14/2013 10:29 PM

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It sounds like Clifton Garrett and Nyles Morgan are going to land in the SEC. All the top Illinois kids seem to be spurning the Big Ten as well.

The Big Ten will never be competitive as long as they keep letting the top Midwest kids go to other conferences.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 12:06 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote:
columbusbadger wrote: Robert Reynolds choking people. Clarett in prison. Pryor free tats. Tressel lying. This is not intended to be a flame. I just don't get what OSU is doing integrity-wise.

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--- dirtysouthbucks wrote:

thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.

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good response.  if you are satisfied by losing three straight rose bowls, including to powerhouse TCU, right on.  meanwhile you are getting out recruited by UK.
hahaha I love how there are multiple posts statistically and objectively refuting you're idiocy but you respond to this one. Also love how you point out we lost to TCU despite the fact that we beat you that very same year.

As for the weird Kentucky claim...here's how the recruiting rankings break down:

Scout: Wisconsin #13, Kentucky #33
Rivals: Wisconsin #17, Kentucky #39 
247: Wisconsin #26, Kentucky #47
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Posted: 4/15/2013 7:08 AM

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spottedbadger wrote:
dirtysouthbucks wrote:
columbusbadger wrote: Robert Reynolds choking people. Clarett in prison. Pryor free tats. Tressel lying. This is not intended to be a flame. I just don't get what OSU is doing integrity-wise.

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--- dirtysouthbucks wrote:

thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.

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good response.  if you are satisfied by losing three straight rose bowls, including to powerhouse TCU, right on.  meanwhile you are getting out recruited by UK.
hahaha I love how there are multiple posts statistically and objectively refuting you're idiocy but you respond to this one. Also love how you point out we lost to TCU despite the fact that we beat you that very same year.

As for the weird Kentucky claim...here's how the recruiting rankings break down:

Scout: Wisconsin #13, Kentucky #33
Rivals: Wisconsin #17, Kentucky #39 
247: Wisconsin #26, Kentucky #47

We supposedly get out recruited every year that teams we would have no problem beating.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 7:33 AM

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mikel horton and mike edwards, a four and three star prospect from ohio, respectively, both expected to commit to UK.  I guess you guys don't need athletic corners.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 8:05 AM

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What you fail to realize bucknut, is at Wisconsin,  an athlete's GPA means as much as his/her recruiting stars.

Not so much at daOSU...Ask Andy K.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 8:14 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: mikel horton and mike edwards, a four and three star prospect from ohio, respectively, both expected to commit to UK.  I guess you guys don't need athletic corners.
Again, I don't really understand why you're talking about this here.... Those are two guys Wisconsin hasn't even offered. Are you trying to argue that we should just offer everyone from Ohio, regardless of how our staff feels they fit into our scheme and style of play?

They are recruiting other players at those positions from Virginia, Florida, DC, and New Jersey, but sh* you're right we're losing recruiting battles to Kentucky over guys we haven't offered...

You're a real Einstein.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 8:56 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: mikel horton and mike edwards, a four and three star prospect from ohio, respectively, both expected to commit to UK.  I guess you guys don't need athletic corners.
I think you need to worry about the teams that were actually recruiting these guys.  For both of them Kentucky is one of their better offers and is relatively close to home. Just because they're from Ohio doesn't mean they're world-beaters.  Both of them are just guys at the next level.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 11:27 AM

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You have something more relevant than 17 years ago?

Like, for example, how Ohio State ranks in APR at the present time.
badgerpaw wrote: What you fail to realize bucknut, is at Wisconsin,  an athlete's GPA means as much as his/her recruiting stars.

Not so much at daOSU...Ask Andy K.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 11:34 AM

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TheStoicPaisano wrote: You have something more relevant than 17 years ago?

Like, for example, how Ohio State ranks in APR at the present time.
badgerpaw wrote: What you fail to realize bucknut, is at Wisconsin,  an athlete's GPA means as much as his/her recruiting stars.

Not so much at daOSU...Ask Andy K.
Awesome, grabbing my popcorn for another riveting debate about school academic standards.  Anybody ever notice that we offer a substantial percentage of the same kids that OSU does?  We obviously consider a large majority of their players to be academically fit for UW.  That discussion is a waste of time.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 12:20 PM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: mikel horton and mike edwards, a four and three star prospect from ohio, respectively, both expected to commit to UK.  I guess you guys don't need athletic corners.

We probably have 10 offers out there for CB's...looks like the coaches disagree with you.  You come off like some bitter parent whose kid wasn't getting enough interest, but believes he is the best athlete in the world. Since those two are going to Kentucky supposedly...then you will be the only reason we ever here of them...unless they turn out to be the next Randall Cobbs...otherwise, Kentucky and football don't matter when put together.
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Posted: 4/15/2013 8:54 PM

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i'll be back in 10 months.  we can see how wisconsin's class stacks up to UK.  I'd be willing to bet money UK has a better class than everyone in the big ten other than michigan and ohio state, and maybe nebraska
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Posted: 4/15/2013 8:59 PM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: i'll be back in 10 months.  we can see how wisconsin's class stacks up to UK.  I'd be willing to bet money UK has a better class than everyone in the big ten other than michigan and ohio state, and maybe nebraska
Anxiously awaiting your return....rolleyes


On Wisconsin!
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Posted: 4/16/2013 4:33 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: i'll be back in 10 months.  we can see how wisconsin's class stacks up to UK.  I'd be willing to bet money UK has a better class than everyone in the big ten other than michigan and ohio state, and maybe nebraska

Better class in 10 months? 

And here I thought the true ranking of a recruiting class wouldn't/couldn't be determined until 3-4 years down the road.

Silly me...
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Posted: 4/16/2013 6:40 AM

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Don't mean to flame, but this is why background checks are so vital.

dirtysouthbucks wrote: thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.
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Posted: 4/16/2013 5:34 PM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote:
columbusbadger wrote: Robert Reynolds choking people. Clarett in prison. Pryor free tats. Tressel lying. This is not intended to be a flame. I just don't get what OSU is doing integrity-wise.

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--- dirtysouthbucks wrote:

thad snodgrass
ethan wolf
kyle meadows
jaleel hytche
marcus mcwilson
darrien howard
alex gall

all these kids are 4 and high 3 star prospects.  thad snodgrass and ethan wolf are 2014.  none of them have had an offer or much interest from OSU or Michigan.  All of them have commit to non big ten schools.  Why can't you guys or some other big ten team get them?  Thad Snodgrass would be one of the highest rated receiving recruits you have landed in the past decade....

this is not intended to be a flame...i just don't get what the rest of the big ten is doing recruiting wise.  at least PSU has an excuse of sorts.  UK is going to have the third or fourth best class in the big ten!  and 13 or 14 in the SEC.  pathetic.

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good response.  if you are satisfied by losing three straight rose bowls, including to powerhouse TCU, right on.  meanwhile you are getting out recruited by UK.
Got to say: it was a lousy response (don't worry, my sarcasm meter is on).  You raised a legitimate question.  The answer may be as simple as, we just think we can do better.  I don't know that; we'll see.  Clearaly there are some areas OSU fans shouldn't persue unless they're prepared to get hammered, but you didn't deserve that shot.  We all don't find it necessary to be uncivil.
Ecclesiastes 10:2

"It's easier to fool people, than it is to convince them they've been fooled."   Mark Twain
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Posted: 4/16/2013 6:23 PM

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badgerpaw wrote:
dirtysouthbucks wrote: i'll be back in 10 months.  we can see how wisconsin's class stacks up to UK.  I'd be willing to bet money UK has a better class than everyone in the big ten other than michigan and ohio state, and maybe nebraska

Better class in 10 months? 

And here I thought the true ranking of a recruiting class wouldn't/couldn't be determined until 3-4 years down the road.

Silly me...
And there lies his lack of understanding on how this truly works.  Recruiting ratings on signing day for kids who still have a few months of high school left are semi-interesting to talk about in the offseason.  Nothing more and nothing less.

Everybody have fun tonight everybody Wang Chung tonight.

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Posted: 5/1/2013 2:11 PM

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Football Recruiting
The SEC's Invasion of Ohio is Bad News for the Big Ten
By Tony Gerdeman

If you pay more attention to recruiting than you probably should, then you already know that Kentucky has five Ohioans committed to their 2014 football recruiting class.

That's right, five.

Wait, let me check really quick-like to make sure no more commitments have come in since I started writing this...

...okay, still five.

Meanwhile, the rest of the Big Ten (not including Ohio State) has four. In total, the SEC currently has six Ohioans committed, with the sixth being tight end Ethan Wolf, who is committed to Tennessee.

All six of those Ohioans had offers from Big Ten schools. Here is the rundown (per Scout):

Kentucky Commits
Tymere Dubose - Offer from MSU
Darryl Long - Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota
Mikel Horton - Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue
Thaddeus Snodgrass - MSU, Nebraska, PSU, Purdue, Wisc
Dorian Hendrix - Illinois, Indiana

Tennessee Commit
Ethan Wolf - Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Minn, Neb, Pur

Here are the Ohio kids who are committed to Big Ten schools not named "Ohio State":

Ben Oxley (Northwestern)
Chris Durkin (Michigan State)
Tito Odenigbo (Illinois)
Michael Ferns (Michigan)

Ferns is the lone commitment with offers from the SEC, by the way. Which, if you would like to draw conclusions, means that the only reason Northwestern, Michigan State and Illinois were able to land Ohio commitments is because those players had no Ohio State, Michigan or SEC offers.

To be honest, we can leave Michigan out of this following discussion, because they will always recruit Ohio very well. After all, they know where their program would be without the Buckeye State.

And anyway, for as much grief as I enjoy giving Michigan fans, Brady Hoke may be the best recruiter in school history. He's certainly one of the best in the nation, and he can walk into any school in America and have a pretty good chance of walking out with whatever he wants.

Kentucky isn't going to come into Ohio and take a player from Ohio State or Michigan, but other than that, all bets are apparently off. Meanwhile, schools who have built success off of Ohio high schools are getting beaten to the punch by an SEC basketball school in Big Ten country.

But even taking Ohio State and Michigan out of the picture, that means that Kentucky, statistically the worst program in the SEC over the last five years– winner of four SEC games over the last three seasons – is coming into Ohio and taking recruits from schools who have lived off of Ohioans forever.

You have to credit Kentucky for targeting Ohio. Head coach Mark Stoops is from Youngstown, so he knows what the state has to offer. He also brought in Vince Marrow as an assistant, and Marrow has contacts all over the state.

While some may consider an Ohio kid who doesn't have offers from Michigan or Ohio State a "lesser" prospect, the Big Ten is littered with such prospects who have had major impacts on their schools. Where would those programs be without Ohio players?

Here are a few from just the last five years:

Illinois
Mason Monheim
Hugh Thornton
Whitney Mercilus

Indiana
Tyler Replogle
Larry Black
Adam Replogle
Ted Bolser
Cody Latimer
Shane Wynn

Iowa
B.J. Lowery
Anthony Hitchens
Micah Hyde
Steve Bigach
Derrell Johnson-Koulianos
Ricky Stanzi

Michigan State
Le'Veon Bell
Javon Ringer
Greg Jones
Johnny Adams
B.J. Cunningham
Denicos Allen

Northwestern
Nick VanHoose
Chi Chi Araguzo
Tyler Scott
Jeremy Ebert
Brian Peters
Jordan Mabin
Vince Browne

Wisconsin
Pat Muldoon
Brian Wozniak
Chris Borland

Now similar players are headed to Kentucky instead of going to Big Ten programs where they would actually compete for bowl games – and beyond.

You'll notice that Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota and Nebraska aren't on this list. Penn State's success in Ohio has waned over the years, but they've got plenty of hotbeds of their own to dig through.

Purdue has had a few Ohioans lately, but none who would be considered impact players, and Roy Roundtree probably doesn't count. With new head coach Darrell Hazell, however, I expect Ohio to become a larger priority, but he has to gain some ground first. Though if Mark Stoops can do it right off the bat, why can't Hazell?

Minnesota used to recruit Ohio when Glen Mason was the coach. He had players like Gary Russell, Alex Daniels, Ernie Wheelwright, and Bryan Cupito, who was the school's all-time leading passer until Adam Weber overtook him by default under Tim Brewster. Perhaps it's just coincidence that Minnesota went in the tank when they stopped paying attention to Ohio.

Nebraska has stretched into Ohio more of late, but they never really had a reason to head this far east before Youngstown native Bo Pelini got there. They have become a bigger player in Ohio the last few years, however.

I've said many times that recruiting is more important to the SEC than the Big Ten, and this is just one small – yet significant – example. Where would Iowa have been without Ricky Stanzi? Or Michigan State without Le'Veon Bell or Javon Ringer? Right now, those teams may be getting beaten for their next great player by a bottom-rung program with a head coach who has zero career wins to his name.

Yes, the newness and hype helps Kentucky, but so does the hard work. It almost feels like the Big Ten recruits because it has to, while the SEC recruits because it wants to. They seem to enjoy the hunt, while much of the Big Ten views it as a necessary evil. With the disproportionate talent bases trending southward by the day, it's actually the Big Ten who should be working harder to find talent. The SEC just has to step outside and ask a neighbor.

"Hey, have you seen a 6-foot-1 corner who runs a 4.4 around here?"

"Yes. I just saw him catching various wild animals with his bare hands down by the trading post."

Yet the by-product of the SEC's attitude is undeniable. The reason SEC schools work so hard in recruiting is because every other SEC school is working hard as well. If you stop fighting, you start getting beaten up. The middling Big Ten schools have lived with collusion for decades. "If you promise not to recruit hard, I'll promise too. Pinky swear!"

Trying is hard. Trying hard is even harder. Not trying hard is much easier.

Though maybe accusing coaches of not trying is oversimplifying things. Maybe kids just have no desire to attend their schools any more. Though that doesn't sound any better.

But Ohio talent leaving the Big Ten isn't just a 2014 thing. Look at the 2013 class. Five Ohio quarterbacks signed with BCS teams this past February. None of them went to the Big Ten. Instead, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Boston College and Oregon State were the beneficiaries.

In 2012 there were two quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 60 in Ohio. Tyler O'Connor went to the Big Ten (MSU) and Maty Mauk went to the SEC (Missouri). In 2011, the Big Ten kept three of the five Ohio BCS quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 60, though two of them signed with the Buckeyes.

In 2010, there were three BCS quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 40 in Ohio. Two went to Notre Dame, and the other went to Pitt. I'm just using quarterbacks as an example, but since they are the most impactful player on the football field, I think it's an apt example.

The NFL Draft has already shown us how far ahead the SEC is, and I'm not saying that keeping Ohioans in the Big Ten will change that, but it will certainly help.

Ohio has been a Big Ten resource for a century plus, and for all of the middling schools in the conference, they are in danger of having that resource tapped out.

The SEC is where it's at right now. There is an entire media empire pounding this into the heads of children every day. Kids start asking for two things once they're able to talk– McDonald's and the SEC. Ohio is starting to follow suit.

I don't expect the SEC to have more Ohio commits than the Big Ten minus OSU and Michigan, but every kid that comes off the board right now is a kid that the Big Ten won't have and the SEC will. They won't all be home runs. They won't even all be singles. But what about the ones who are? The Big Ten can't afford to be missing on the kids in their own backyard. (And yes, I understand that Kentucky is literally Ohio's backyard.)

Ohio State and Michigan will be fine. The major SEC teams will steal some Ohio kids from OSU and UM here and there, but they'll be able to make up for it. (Though it could be argued that Ohio State still hasn't made up for losing Trey DePriest to Alabama.) But will Michigan State be able to make up for it? Could they have made up for not having Javon Ringer or Le'Veon Bell?

Right now, the bottom of the SEC's barrel is more appealing than Purdue, Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota. That is the fault of each of those schools, but it's also the fault of the Big Ten as a whole. The conference has a stigma right now, and as much as recruits talk to eachother every day, there are very few secrets. Kids talk about the Big Ten, but more importantly, they talk about the SEC.

It's going to take every football program in the Big Ten to change a nation of perceptions, and just maybe that first step toward change is keeping the SEC out of Ohio.

Ohio State and Michigan can only do so much in this regard, and some might argue that Michigan is already doing enough. The rest of the Big Ten needs to step up.

Either that or just wait for Kentucky to tank again and then poach their 2014 commits as they begin to look around.

That actually sounds more like the Big Ten. Just sit back and wait for kids to come back to them.

Gravitational recruiting.

"Rather than go out and pull players in, why don't we all just sit here and see who falls back to us. How does that sound for everybody else?"

"Sounds amazing! We're in!"

"Pinky swear!"

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Posted: 5/1/2013 2:55 PM

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STOP POSTING THIS AT ALL OF THE BOARDS. Who gives a flying F if KY gets Ohio left overs.
dirtysouthbucks wrote:

Football Recruiting
The SEC's Invasion of Ohio is Bad News for the Big Ten
By Tony Gerdeman

If you pay more attention to recruiting than you probably should, then you already know that Kentucky has five Ohioans committed to their 2014 football recruiting class.

That's right, five.

Wait, let me check really quick-like to make sure no more commitments have come in since I started writing this...

...okay, still five.

Meanwhile, the rest of the Big Ten (not including Ohio State) has four. In total, the SEC currently has six Ohioans committed, with the sixth being tight end Ethan Wolf, who is committed to Tennessee.

All six of those Ohioans had offers from Big Ten schools. Here is the rundown (per Scout):

Kentucky Commits
Tymere Dubose - Offer from MSU
Darryl Long - Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota
Mikel Horton - Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue
Thaddeus Snodgrass - MSU, Nebraska, PSU, Purdue, Wisc
Dorian Hendrix - Illinois, Indiana

Tennessee Commit
Ethan Wolf - Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Minn, Neb, Pur

Here are the Ohio kids who are committed to Big Ten schools not named "Ohio State":

Ben Oxley (Northwestern)
Chris Durkin (Michigan State)
Tito Odenigbo (Illinois)
Michael Ferns (Michigan)

Ferns is the lone commitment with offers from the SEC, by the way. Which, if you would like to draw conclusions, means that the only reason Northwestern, Michigan State and Illinois were able to land Ohio commitments is because those players had no Ohio State, Michigan or SEC offers.

To be honest, we can leave Michigan out of this following discussion, because they will always recruit Ohio very well. After all, they know where their program would be without the Buckeye State.

And anyway, for as much grief as I enjoy giving Michigan fans, Brady Hoke may be the best recruiter in school history. He's certainly one of the best in the nation, and he can walk into any school in America and have a pretty good chance of walking out with whatever he wants.

Kentucky isn't going to come into Ohio and take a player from Ohio State or Michigan, but other than that, all bets are apparently off. Meanwhile, schools who have built success off of Ohio high schools are getting beaten to the punch by an SEC basketball school in Big Ten country.

But even taking Ohio State and Michigan out of the picture, that means that Kentucky, statistically the worst program in the SEC over the last five years– winner of four SEC games over the last three seasons – is coming into Ohio and taking recruits from schools who have lived off of Ohioans forever.

You have to credit Kentucky for targeting Ohio. Head coach Mark Stoops is from Youngstown, so he knows what the state has to offer. He also brought in Vince Marrow as an assistant, and Marrow has contacts all over the state.

While some may consider an Ohio kid who doesn't have offers from Michigan or Ohio State a "lesser" prospect, the Big Ten is littered with such prospects who have had major impacts on their schools. Where would those programs be without Ohio players?

Here are a few from just the last five years:

Illinois
Mason Monheim
Hugh Thornton
Whitney Mercilus

Indiana
Tyler Replogle
Larry Black
Adam Replogle
Ted Bolser
Cody Latimer
Shane Wynn

Iowa
B.J. Lowery
Anthony Hitchens
Micah Hyde
Steve Bigach
Derrell Johnson-Koulianos
Ricky Stanzi

Michigan State
Le'Veon Bell
Javon Ringer
Greg Jones
Johnny Adams
B.J. Cunningham
Denicos Allen

Northwestern
Nick VanHoose
Chi Chi Araguzo
Tyler Scott
Jeremy Ebert
Brian Peters
Jordan Mabin
Vince Browne

Wisconsin
Pat Muldoon
Brian Wozniak
Chris Borland

Now similar players are headed to Kentucky instead of going to Big Ten programs where they would actually compete for bowl games – and beyond.

You'll notice that Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota and Nebraska aren't on this list. Penn State's success in Ohio has waned over the years, but they've got plenty of hotbeds of their own to dig through.

Purdue has had a few Ohioans lately, but none who would be considered impact players, and Roy Roundtree probably doesn't count. With new head coach Darrell Hazell, however, I expect Ohio to become a larger priority, but he has to gain some ground first. Though if Mark Stoops can do it right off the bat, why can't Hazell?

Minnesota used to recruit Ohio when Glen Mason was the coach. He had players like Gary Russell, Alex Daniels, Ernie Wheelwright, and Bryan Cupito, who was the school's all-time leading passer until Adam Weber overtook him by default under Tim Brewster. Perhaps it's just coincidence that Minnesota went in the tank when they stopped paying attention to Ohio.

Nebraska has stretched into Ohio more of late, but they never really had a reason to head this far east before Youngstown native Bo Pelini got there. They have become a bigger player in Ohio the last few years, however.

I've said many times that recruiting is more important to the SEC than the Big Ten, and this is just one small – yet significant – example. Where would Iowa have been without Ricky Stanzi? Or Michigan State without Le'Veon Bell or Javon Ringer? Right now, those teams may be getting beaten for their next great player by a bottom-rung program with a head coach who has zero career wins to his name.

Yes, the newness and hype helps Kentucky, but so does the hard work. It almost feels like the Big Ten recruits because it has to, while the SEC recruits because it wants to. They seem to enjoy the hunt, while much of the Big Ten views it as a necessary evil. With the disproportionate talent bases trending southward by the day, it's actually the Big Ten who should be working harder to find talent. The SEC just has to step outside and ask a neighbor.

"Hey, have you seen a 6-foot-1 corner who runs a 4.4 around here?"

"Yes. I just saw him catching various wild animals with his bare hands down by the trading post."

Yet the by-product of the SEC's attitude is undeniable. The reason SEC schools work so hard in recruiting is because every other SEC school is working hard as well. If you stop fighting, you start getting beaten up. The middling Big Ten schools have lived with collusion for decades. "If you promise not to recruit hard, I'll promise too. Pinky swear!"

Trying is hard. Trying hard is even harder. Not trying hard is much easier.

Though maybe accusing coaches of not trying is oversimplifying things. Maybe kids just have no desire to attend their schools any more. Though that doesn't sound any better.

But Ohio talent leaving the Big Ten isn't just a 2014 thing. Look at the 2013 class. Five Ohio quarterbacks signed with BCS teams this past February. None of them went to the Big Ten. Instead, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Boston College and Oregon State were the beneficiaries.

In 2012 there were two quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 60 in Ohio. Tyler O'Connor went to the Big Ten (MSU) and Maty Mauk went to the SEC (Missouri). In 2011, the Big Ten kept three of the five Ohio BCS quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 60, though two of them signed with the Buckeyes.

In 2010, there were three BCS quarterbacks in Rivals' Top 40 in Ohio. Two went to Notre Dame, and the other went to Pitt. I'm just using quarterbacks as an example, but since they are the most impactful player on the football field, I think it's an apt example.

The NFL Draft has already shown us how far ahead the SEC is, and I'm not saying that keeping Ohioans in the Big Ten will change that, but it will certainly help.

Ohio has been a Big Ten resource for a century plus, and for all of the middling schools in the conference, they are in danger of having that resource tapped out.

The SEC is where it's at right now. There is an entire media empire pounding this into the heads of children every day. Kids start asking for two things once they're able to talk– McDonald's and the SEC. Ohio is starting to follow suit.

I don't expect the SEC to have more Ohio commits than the Big Ten minus OSU and Michigan, but every kid that comes off the board right now is a kid that the Big Ten won't have and the SEC will. They won't all be home runs. They won't even all be singles. But what about the ones who are? The Big Ten can't afford to be missing on the kids in their own backyard. (And yes, I understand that Kentucky is literally Ohio's backyard.)

Ohio State and Michigan will be fine. The major SEC teams will steal some Ohio kids from OSU and UM here and there, but they'll be able to make up for it. (Though it could be argued that Ohio State still hasn't made up for losing Trey DePriest to Alabama.) But will Michigan State be able to make up for it? Could they have made up for not having Javon Ringer or Le'Veon Bell?

Right now, the bottom of the SEC's barrel is more appealing than Purdue, Indiana, Illinois and Minnesota. That is the fault of each of those schools, but it's also the fault of the Big Ten as a whole. The conference has a stigma right now, and as much as recruits talk to eachother every day, there are very few secrets. Kids talk about the Big Ten, but more importantly, they talk about the SEC.

It's going to take every football program in the Big Ten to change a nation of perceptions, and just maybe that first step toward change is keeping the SEC out of Ohio.

Ohio State and Michigan can only do so much in this regard, and some might argue that Michigan is already doing enough. The rest of the Big Ten needs to step up.

Either that or just wait for Kentucky to tank again and then poach their 2014 commits as they begin to look around.

That actually sounds more like the Big Ten. Just sit back and wait for kids to come back to them.

Gravitational recruiting.

"Rather than go out and pull players in, why don't we all just sit here and see who falls back to us. How does that sound for everybody else?"

"Sounds amazing! We're in!"

"Pinky swear!"

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Posted: 5/7/2013 11:23 PM

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Edwards is already backing off his Uk commit. I will wait till signing day to see how we fair. Then you have to wait 2-3 years normally for kids to develop to correctly evaluate them.
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Posted: 5/8/2013 10:41 AM

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dirtysouthbucks wrote: i'll be back in 10 months.  we can see how wisconsin's class stacks up to UK.  I'd be willing to bet money UK has a better class than everyone in the big ten other than michigan and ohio state, and maybe nebraska
Try about 3 years because that's when you know just how good recruiting classes are based on what they've done in actual competition rather than how they were rated on paper by so called experts at the time of their recruitment.  Granted that the number of stars a recruit gets are an indicator of that recruit's talent, but the star system is far from foolproof.  How come Notre Dame for a good number of years always had highly rated classes but managed to go 6-5, 5-6 or whatever?
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