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Why has GA not began making moves on in-state talent?

Posted: 2/20/2013 10:21 AM

Why has GA not began making moves on in-state talent? 


There has been debate on debate about the talent we have here in-state, but GA has yet to show much interest.

Last edited 2/20/2013 10:22 AM by collins5

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:22 AM

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Like who? There is already a long thread on Chance Stewart so please don't say him.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:27 AM

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Chance Stewart is out of Michigan...

I'm Talking:
Dominic Cizauskas
Austin Roberts
Brandon Hines
Marcus Collins
Daurice Foutain
etc..
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:32 AM

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And you know he hasn't how?  Because the contact has not been posted on the internet?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:34 AM

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I've spoken with a few of these players first hand. As well as the little reports across the internet. Yet there are many reports of him contacting and/or offering out of state prospects. Why?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:36 AM

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Isn't Austin Roberts from IN?

Brandon Hines has an offer from North Dakota. All the other guys you mention have no offers at this time so whats the rush? There is plenty of time to evaluate these kids and let them attend camps/junior days before extending an offer. At worse GA would be competing with Minny, Purdue, or MAC schools for these type of kids right now. He offered the WI guys who merited immediate offers. These guys probably just need to be evaluated first.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:40 AM

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Well they were Gault and Panos' first offer, they generated interest post their offer. So they were the first for 2/5 of their in-state offers so far.
Austin Roberts is from WI - Rice Lake.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:42 AM

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There was a tweet by Evan Flood from the other day that the Badgers just visited with Hines.  I'm sure if the staff thinks these kids are talented enough they will be talking.  You hear all the time on this board that we need to start going after the 4-5* kids, and that is what it seems like this staff is doing.  Trying to get early inroads on the higher rated kids to possibly land more of them.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:42 AM

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So Strickland hasn't contacted them either?

"The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable." James A. Garfield, 20th President

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:43 AM

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The out-of-state guys that have been offered have all been offered by other schools as well. That contact needs to be established to stay in the hunt for highly-coveted prospects. Give him time to evaluate the remaining in-state prospects. GA isn't losing any of the guys you mentioned to anyone else when there aren't even offers yet.
collins5 wrote: I've spoken with a few of these players first hand. As well as the little reports across the internet. Yet there are many reports of him contacting and/or offering out of state prospects. Why?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:45 AM

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Do you have a profile link? The only Austin Roberts recruiting profile I can find is for a 2014 kid from IN.
collins5 wrote: Well they were Gault and Panos' first offer, they generated interest post their offer. So they were the first for 2/5 of their in-state offers so far.
Austin Roberts is from WI - Rice Lake.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:46 AM

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WiskyIrish wrote: The out-of-state guys that have been offered have all been offered by other schools as well. That contact needs to be established to stay in the hunt for highly-coveted prospects. Give him time to evaluate the remaining in-state prospects. GA isn't losing any of the guys you mentioned to anyone else when there aren't even offers yet.
collins5 wrote: I've spoken with a few of these players first hand. As well as the little reports across the internet. Yet there are many reports of him contacting and/or offering out of state prospects. Why?
But these recruits are closing in on them. Gaelin Elmore from Somerset for ex just raked in an offer from Minnesota and there has been little reports about GA following up.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:48 AM

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WiskyIrish wrote: Do you have a profile link? The only Austin Roberts recruiting profile I can find is for a 2014 kid from IN.
collins5 wrote: Well they were Gault and Panos' first offer, they generated interest post their offer. So they were the first for 2/5 of their in-state offers so far.
Austin Roberts is from WI - Rice Lake.
http://hswisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=382&p=8& ;c=1&nid=6730617

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/560008/highlights/3373 3396
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:51 AM

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collins5 wrote:
WiskyIrish wrote: The out-of-state guys that have been offered have all been offered by other schools as well. That contact needs to be established to stay in the hunt for highly-coveted prospects. Give him time to evaluate the remaining in-state prospects. GA isn't losing any of the guys you mentioned to anyone else when there aren't even offers yet.
collins5 wrote: I've spoken with a few of these players first hand. As well as the little reports across the internet. Yet there are many reports of him contacting and/or offering out of state prospects. Why?
But these recruits are closing in on them. Gaelin Elmore from Somerset for ex just raked in an offer from Minnesota and there has been little reports about GA following up.
Not every high school player in the state that plays D1 will play at Wisconsin. Some just aren't good enough. The fact that Minnesota offered him means nothing.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:55 AM

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RE: Why has GA not began making moves on in-state talent?

I'm Talking:
Dominic Cizauskas and Austin Roberts: Mike Taylor types.  In 2012, the former Utah State coaching staff burned MT for a touchdown on a wheel route and had another td if the rb had not dropped the ball.  Currently, the USU coach has been hired as HC for the Badgers.  He has already declared that Taylor type linebakers are not his preference (see Leon Jacobs).

Brandon Hines:  Needs more evaluation.  Could be a sleeper.  Could be another Bryce Gilbert.

Marcus Collins:  Athletic potential is there, so is pedigree, but needs to get more aggressive on D.

Daurice Foutain:  Good hands, speed.  Under evaluation. 

In other words, just because we fans think these kids are good, does that mean the Coaching Staff is bound to offer them.  Not at all,  The current staff wants to get the best players in each position they can get.  From the list above, they feel others deserve a look first.  You do want to see Wisconsin become elite, rather than just playing for 10 wins a season dont you?

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Posted: 2/20/2013 10:58 AM

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See if that's how their thinking, then were just going to continue getting screwed over when they go to other schools and then have incredible games against us. 
Example...

Ben Gardner. The DE out of Mequon who never got an offer from the Badgers but then accepts his offer to Stanford and had some anger he released on us in the Rose Bowl.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:02 AM

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That is a good point, about the Linebackers. Brandon Hines and Marcus Collins are both underrated, however. There is no reason that those two shouldn't be getting offers. Brandon's should come any day. Marcus is one of the most aggressive Safeties I've seen. He has great size and is not afraid of contact like alot of DB's.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:08 AM

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collins5, just curious if you are related to Marcus Collins?
"Never trust anyone with more ears than teeth."
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:11 AM

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Wettle wrote: collins5, just curious if you are related to Marcus Collins?
No relation
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:16 AM

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Hate to say it but, outside of Evans, arguably nobody else is out there that is considered elite. I think this summers camps will carry a lot of weight towards seeing what in-state kids are real D1's. Those LB's are good, but they are not like Garrett or other ILL lb's. BHirsch has an offer but is he elite? Stat's don't say he is.
I think GA is throwing his hat in on some elite talent and can fall back on WI when the others get picked over. That may sound bad but,,,

By the way, I thought there was some academic issues with one kid that was mentioned earlier.  That may be an issue as well.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:20 AM

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NSDBadger wrote: Hate to say it but, outside of Evans, arguably nobody else is out there that is considered elite. I think this summers camps will carry a lot of weight towards seeing what in-state kids are real D1's. Those LB's are good, but they are not like Garrett or other ILL lb's. BHirsch has an offer but is he elite? Stat's don't say he is.
I think GA is throwing his hat in on some elite talent and can fall back on WI when the others get picked over. That may sound bad but,,,

By the way, I thought there was some academic issues with one kid that was mentioned earlier.  That may be an issue as well.
What kid (academic issues)?

I'm curious to see of Evans will make it through the Clearinghouse... he's had some academic issues as well.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:31 AM

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NSDBadger wrote: Hate to say it but, outside of Evans, arguably nobody else is out there that is considered elite. I think this summers camps will carry a lot of weight towards seeing what in-state kids are real D1's. Those LB's are good, but they are not like Garrett or other ILL lb's. BHirsch has an offer but is he elite? Stat's don't say he is.
I think GA is throwing his hat in on some elite talent and can fall back on WI when the others get picked over. That may sound bad but,,,

By the way, I thought there was some academic issues with one kid that was mentioned earlier.  That may be an issue as well.
If you don't throw in on elite out-of-state talent now, you have no chance of getting it.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:34 AM

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Patience.. this staff has been scrambling since December trying to keep the 2013 class together. Many of the offers they have placed already are from assistants that were in the process already for many of these kids. 

I trust that once this staff settles in a bit, and truly starts to evaluate instate talent they will become more involved in targets they think can help. I trust they are not going to forget the in state talent.. but I expect them to truly get their feet under themselves to have a better feel of needs and what the in state prospects bring. 

Gary Anderson on In State Recruiting:

To secure our state is unbelievably important to us. It's been a tradition here for a long time. It's something I'm very used to in coaching, as far as understanding the value of getting the young men from your state involved in your program. To have six of them this year is a big step and a big statement to our commitment to the high school programs in the state. 

Source....
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:40 AM

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High school players cannot be contacted directly until April of their Junior year.

Most in-state players he wouldn't have otherwise seen nor have great contacts with. So, like just about every other year, he will probably wait until either April, or camp, to make offers.

Some out-of-staters are just so good that you offer then sight unseen or you have contacts from previous relationships with the coaches.

The in-state is not on GA. It is on Strickland. If Strickland thinks these kids are worthy and has connections, they'll be offered.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:49 AM

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Intlbadger wrote:

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I'm Talking:
Dominic Cizauskas and Austin Roberts: Mike Taylor types.  In 2012, the former Utah State coaching staff burned MT for a touchdown on a wheel route and had another td if the rb had not dropped the ball.  Currently, the USU coach has been hired as HC for the Badgers.  He has already declared that Taylor type linebakers are not his preference (see Leon Jacobs).

What do you mean by Mike Taylor types?
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Posted: 2/20/2013 11:52 AM

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How often did BB offer in-state talent before Junior Day or even summer camp?  Why the rush now?  This isn't Texas or Florida where you could just offer the top 40 guys in the state and know that if 15-20 commit you will have a well-rounded top 5 class. 

Wasn't Northern Iowa Ben Gardner's only scholarship offer other than Stanford?  Shouldn't you be on 120 other D1 boards asking how they missed out on this guy?  You are always going to miss on someone because they develop later. 

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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:02 PM

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Take a look at last year:

Jazz Peavy  was offered and committed on June 17
Matt Hubley was offered and committed on October 23
TJ Watt was offered and committed on April 1 (a month after Minnesota's offer)
Austin Ramesh was offered on March 17 (2 weeks after Iowa's offer)
Alec James was offered on February 20 (after Minnesota and Iowa State)
Chikwe Obasih was offered on February 18 (after Minnesota, Iowa State and Illinois)

Not coincidentally Wisconsin had Junior Day on February 18 (Obasih and James) and a camp on June 17 (Peavy).  The old staff at least liked to give offers in person at on-campus events where possible.  There is no Junior Day scheduled this year yet so there is not a natural catalyst for offers. But they will come.

There is a natural cascade of offers from highest profile recruits on down.  They offer the top line guys, assess their chances with them, then give out offers to the next tier.  Among the guys mentioned, I'm sure some of them will get offers.  But apparently it's not their time yet and frankly I agree with that approach.  I can think of other guys any staff would want to fill their roster with if possible before getting to those guys.  It's just a fact of life.  The good news is that UW probably won't land many of those top-line guys and offers will eventually get to the in-state guys.  Until then I doubt GA will be out personally recruiting these kids even when the rules permit it.  Strickland, and to a lesser extent the respective position coaches, will handle that.  The Big 5 (Evans, Panos, Gault, Sheehy and Hirschfeld) are the exceptions the same way that Obasih and James were last season.

Once the on-campus stuff starts up (maybe a Junior Day, maybe a less formal group unofficial visit), these guys will have a chance to talk with GA and possibly start getting offers.  Many of them will have to earn offers at camp or even during their senior seasons based on their development (Hubley).  This is one of the top programs in America and just because a person is one of the better players in the state at his position doesn't mean he'll necessarily get an offer from UW.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:04 PM

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I agree it might be a bit early for GA to have full evaluations on these kids himself. It seems the guys from in-state who have been offered so far are the same guys who were offered essentially while BB was still here, because Strickland and BB thought they were "elite". You'd have to assume that since the rest of the kids were not offered early by either BB or BA, that Strickland and the staff likely didn't seem quite as sure about them.

The out of state kids who've been offered are also mostly elite type players who either the past or the present staff has likely been pretty sure about for awhile. For the rest of the in-state (an out of state) kids it may just have to wait for the process to play out over the next 6-8 months or so.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:09 PM

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collins5 wrote: That is a good point, about the Linebackers. Brandon Hines and Marcus Collins are both underrated, however. There is no reason that those two shouldn't be getting offers. Brandon's should come any day. Marcus is one of the most aggressive Safeties I've seen. He has great size and is not afraid of contact like alot of DB's.
Brandon Hines has a long, long ways to go before he develops into a major college prospect.  He needs to become stronger, quicker and acquire some stamina.  He is not underrated.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:22 PM

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By Mike Taylor types, I mean linebakers who can't cover in space (this is in addition to tackling running backs); linebakers who can't keep contain on dual-threat qb's (Taylor getting stiff-armed and juked by T Martinez).  Linebakers who consistently have trouble with the same route (wheel routes) and can't run with person to be covered.  Granted, the UW defense funneled the plays to the linebakers (hence, the high-number of tackles), there is a need for faster, more athletic, linebakers such as Biegel, Jacobs, etc.  That is what the current staff will scheme to in the future.

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