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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:48 AM

My 10 Things -- LSU 


1. I will give GA the benefit of the doubt and assume he just wanted his post game press conference to end when he said that he didn't know why Gordon didn't get more carries. If he was being truthful there, that makes me seriously question his ability to be a head coach. Ask yourself this... didn't Barry Alvarez ALWAYS know EXACTLY why or why not Dayne, Moss, Davis, etc. got the ball?

2. Don't fall for the nonsense that the ESPN announcers were spouting. Our receivers are adequate. The issue is that McEvoy is a complete-and-total train wreck in the passing game. Just because "nobody is open" isn't an excuse to miss a guy by 20 yards.

3. If I was Joel Stave, I would transfer. Obviously the coaching staff prefers a mobile QB (no matter how awful he is in every other facet of the game) and you're never going to get a fair chance.

4. I was happily surprised by how well that front 7 held up until the Herring injury. That was probably my main concern going into the game. Obviously, Trotter and Schobert are going to be tough to run on. I like that Alec James stuck his nose in there at times too.

5. The "huge fake punt call" that ESPN lauded was a big nothing, as far as I was concerned. We were in base defense, sniffed it out and the guy fell forward just enough to get the first down. It was neither innovative, nor gutsy, and it fooled nobody. It was just a normal run that they executed slightly better than us.

6. In some ways I agree with the comments here that Ludwig was awful tonight. Specifically as it relates to starting a mobile QB and then not calling nearly enough plays to feature his legs. That being said, Paul Chryst looked like a clueless idiot when he was saddled with Dustin Scherer, so until McEvoy is removed, I will withhold judgement on Ludwig. I will say that "the blind hail mary pass" has to go until Tanner can learn to get within 10 yards of his receiver.

7. Figaro is going to be a nice player for us eventually, but the worst "safety valve" in the world is one who takes crap angles and misses tackles. Tough debut for him.

8. Andersen can watch the tape with me if he wants, but our o-line was fine. Not great, but good enough. McEvoy was not "running for his life", he was running like a clueless chicken with his head cut off.

9. I had zero expectations going into this game. In fact, I bet a shitload on LSU when McEvoy was named started (-4.5, thanks for nothing). That being said, this game was real punch in the nuts because at 24-7 in the third quarter, it's almost a "just manage the clock" type of game. If we just have one more big play on either side of the ball and phuck all the rest up the same way, we still probably win the game. What a debacle!

10. I watched at least some of every Big 10 game this weekend. The good news is that even with McEvoy at QB, if we can master like 10 simple running plays, we will be like the 3rd best team in the league. Most of these other teams seriously blow.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:52 AM

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I think UW's receivers are awful and the weakest group of TE' s I can remember....I hope Stave transfers as well.

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1. I will give GA the benefit of the doubt and assume he just wanted his post game press conference to end when he said that he didn't know why Gordon didn't get more carries. If he was being truthful there, that makes me seriously question his ability to be a head coach. Ask yourself this... didn't Barry Alvarez ALWAYS know EXACTLY why or why not Dayne, Moss, Davis, etc. got the ball?

2. Don't fall for the nonsense that the ESPN announcers were spouting. Our receivers are adequate. The issue is that McEvoy is a complete-and-total train wreck in the passing game. Just because "nobody is open" isn't an excuse to miss a guy by 20 yards.

3. If I was Joel Stave, I would transfer. Obviously the coaching staff prefers a mobile QB (no matter how awful he is in every other facet of the game) and you're never going to get a fair chance.

4. I was happily surprised by how well that front 7 held up until the Herring injury. That was probably my main concern going into the game. Obviously, Trotter and Schobert are going to be tough to run on. I like that Alec James stuck his nose in there at times too.

5. The "huge fake punt call" that ESPN lauded was a big nothing, as far as I was concerned. We were in base defense, sniffed it out and the guy fell forward just enough to get the first down. It was neither innovative, nor gutsy, and it fooled nobody. It was just a normal run that they executed slightly better than us.

6. In some ways I agree with the comments here that Ludwig was awful tonight. Specifically as it relates to starting a mobile QB and then not calling nearly enough plays to feature his legs. That being said, Paul Chryst looked like a clueless idiot when he was saddled with Dustin Scherer, so until McEvoy is removed, I will withhold judgement on Ludwig. I will say that "the blind hail mary pass" has to go until Tanner can learn to get within 10 yards of his receiver.

7. Figaro is going to be a nice player for us eventually, but the worst "safety valve" in the world is one who takes crap angles and misses tackles. Tough debut for him.

8. Andersen can watch the tape with me if he wants, but our o-line was fine. Not great, but good enough. McEvoy was not "running for his life", he was running like a clueless chicken with his head cut off.

9. I had zero expectations going into this game. In fact, I bet a shitload on LSU when McEvoy was named started (-4.5, thanks for nothing). That being said, this game was real punch in the nuts because at 24-7 in the third quarter, it's almost a "just manage the clock" type of game. If we just have one more big play on either side of the ball and phuck all the rest up the same way, we still probably win the game. What a debacle!

10. I watched at least some of every Big 10 game this weekend. The good news is that even with McEvoy at QB, if we can master like 10 simple running plays, we will be like the 3rd best team in the league. Most of these other teams seriously blow.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:54 AM

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14th wide receiver unit in the Big Ten is not an outrageous statement. that is not adequate
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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:56 AM

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Agree with most of what your said but this is the weakest group of receivers since the Jardine era.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:59 AM

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For once I agree with everything ETR said. Best surprise was active hard hitting LB play and Caputo all over the field. Doe is AWFUL returner. He got lucky once. That was it.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:00 AM

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I don't always fall in line and automatically love an ETR 10 things post, but this is spot on. Most of these points are things that my drunk a$$ thought but wasn't able to articulate. Thank you.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:00 AM

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I was hoping to find some solace in your 12 things, ETR, but no luck. I hate the hyperbole that these boards enable, but I believe this was one of the worst Badger losses in 20 years. It dampers my expectations for the entire season, has seriously made me question the competence of this staff and the direction of the entire program and, oh yeah, they blew a giant lead to throw away what could have been a program altering win. Good grief.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:00 AM

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Eric, we often disagree but I simply can't argue with anything you have written here
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:02 AM

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You owe us 2 more things
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:02 AM

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I think the jury is out on the receivers. LSU is great at the corner and safety.

UW needed to use TM on draws,roll outs, etc

We needed to target the TE and FB more on short/intermediate routes matched up with LSU's linebackers, not DBs.

Offensive playcalling and strategy and personnel use are the issues tonight.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:04 AM

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UW needed to use TM on draws,roll outs, etc

We needed to target the TE and FB more on short/intermediate routes matched up with LSU's linebackers, not DBs.

Offensive playcalling and strategy and personnel use are the issues tonight.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:05 AM

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panama74 wrote: You owe us 2 more things
That was a type-o. I meant to do 10.

11. Meyer sucked.

12. Mike Lucas never asked about QB play in the post-game radio interview. He's a real gem.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:06 AM

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Agreed with everything you stated. I enjoyed the way our front 7 played but disappointed with our secondary. Thought that they would play better. I was really excited about Figaro and I still am but he played like a freshman.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:07 AM

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crazyatthecamp wrote: I think the jury is out on the receivers. LSU is great at the corner and safety.

UW needed to use TM on draws,roll outs, etc

We needed to target the TE and FB more on short/intermediate routes matched up with LSU's linebackers, not DBs.

Offensive playcalling and strategy and personnel use are the issues tonight.
Key issues!  Agree very much w/all you said!
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:07 AM

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did I miss something on the math (12 things?)

suggestions:

11. punting = bad

12. how about the short passing game (dump-offs to the backs) we were promised? they did a couple throws on roll outs to the TE - should have been more. TM with a 7 step drop trying to hit a fly pattern is not a recipe for success.

kudos for point #5.
EricTheeRed wrote: 1. I will give GA the benefit of the doubt and assume he just wanted his post game press conference to end when he said that he didn't know why Gordon didn't get more carries. If he was being truthful there, that makes me seriously question his ability to be a head coach. Ask yourself this... didn't Barry Alvarez ALWAYS know EXACTLY why or why not Dayne, Moss, Davis, etc. got the ball?

2. Don't fall for the nonsense that the ESPN announcers were spouting. Our receivers are adequate. The issue is that McEvoy is a complete-and-total train wreck in the passing game. Just because "nobody is open" isn't an excuse to miss a guy by 20 yards.

3. If I was Joel Stave, I would transfer. Obviously the coaching staff prefers a mobile QB (no matter how awful he is in every other facet of the game) and you're never going to get a fair chance.

4. I was happily surprised by how well that front 7 held up until the Herring injury. That was probably my main concern going into the game. Obviously, Trotter and Schobert are going to be tough to run on. I like that Alec James stuck his nose in there at times too.

5. The "huge fake punt call" that ESPN lauded was a big nothing, as far as I was concerned. We were in base defense, sniffed it out and the guy fell forward just enough to get the first down. It was neither innovative, nor gutsy, and it fooled nobody. It was just a normal run that they executed slightly better than us.

6. In some ways I agree with the comments here that Ludwig was awful tonight. Specifically as it relates to starting a mobile QB and then not calling nearly enough plays to feature his legs. That being said, Paul Chryst looked like a clueless idiot when he was saddled with Dustin Scherer, so until McEvoy is removed, I will withhold judgement on Ludwig. I will say that "the blind hail mary pass" has to go until Tanner can learn to get within 10 yards of his receiver.

7. Figaro is going to be a nice player for us eventually, but the worst "safety valve" in the world is one who takes crap angles and misses tackles. Tough debut for him.

8. Andersen can watch the tape with me if he wants, but our o-line was fine. Not great, but good enough. McEvoy was not "running for his life", he was running like a clueless chicken with his head cut off.

9. I had zero expectations going into this game. In fact, I bet a shitload on LSU when McEvoy was named started (-4.5, thanks for nothing). That being said, this game was real punch in the nuts because at 24-7 in the third quarter, it's almost a "just manage the clock" type of game. If we just have one more big play on either side of the ball and phuck all the rest up the same way, we still probably win the game. What a debacle!

10. I watched at least some of every Big 10 game this weekend. The good news is that even with McEvoy at QB, if we can master like 10 simple running plays, we will be like the 3rd best team in the league. Most of these other teams seriously blow.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:09 AM

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I type too slow (all my points already made). I think we're all on the same page.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:14 AM

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EricTheeRed wrote: 1. I will give GA the benefit of the doubt and assume he just wanted his post game press conference to end when he said that he didn't know why Gordon didn't get more carries. If he was being truthful there, that makes me seriously question his ability to be a head coach. Ask yourself this... didn't Barry Alvarez ALWAYS know EXACTLY why or why not Dayne, Moss, Davis, etc. got the ball?

2. Don't fall for the nonsense that the ESPN announcers were spouting. Our receivers are adequate. The issue is that McEvoy is a complete-and-total train wreck in the passing game. Just because "nobody is open" isn't an excuse to miss a guy by 20 yards. (Eh, I think you and the announcers are right. Receivers are bad and McEvoy was brutally inaccurate. It sucks when your QB can't hit a RB/FB or a TE in the flat either. He shot putted the ball over both Watt and Gordon in the flats. Brutal!)

3. If I was Joel Stave, I would transfer. Obviously the coaching staff prefers a mobile QB (no matter how awful he is in every other facet of the game) and you're never going to get a fair chance. (GA needs to tone down his love affair for mobile QBs. If you have one that can also hurt you with decent accuracy downfield, then great. McEvoy cannot)

4. I was happily surprised by how well that front 7 held up until the Herring injury. That was probably my main concern going into the game. Obviously, Trotter and Schobert are going to be tough to run on. I like that Alec James stuck his nose in there at times too. (Caputo was as advertised on D as well)

5. The "huge fake punt call" that ESPN lauded was a big nothing, as far as I was concerned. We were in base defense, sniffed it out and the guy fell forward just enough to get the first down. It was neither innovative, nor gutsy, and it fooled nobody. It was just a normal run that they executed slightly better than us.

6. In some ways I agree with the comments here that Ludwig was awful tonight. Specifically as it relates to starting a mobile QB and then not calling nearly enough plays to feature his legs. That being said, Paul Chryst looked like a clueless idiot when he was saddled with Dustin Scherer, so until McEvoy is removed, I will withhold judgement on Ludwig. I will say that "the blind hail mary pass" has to go until Tanner can learn to get within 10 yards of his receiver.

7. Figaro is going to be a nice player for us eventually, but the worst "safety valve" in the world is one who takes crap angles and misses tackles. Tough debut for him. (I would say that is an unusually kind assessment by you. Not sure if he made a positive play....quite a few negatives.)

8. Andersen can watch the tape with me if he wants, but our o-line was fine. Not great, but good enough. McEvoy was not "running for his life", he was running like a clueless chicken with his head cut off.

9. I had zero expectations going into this game. In fact, I bet a shitload on LSU when McEvoy was named started (-4.5, thanks for nothing). That being said, this game was real punch in the nuts because at 24-7 in the third quarter, it's almost a "just manage the clock" type of game. If we just have one more big play on either side of the ball and phuck all the rest up the same way, we still probably win the game. What a debacle! ( I put this almost entirely on Ludwig and GA as an extension.  Run the ball until they stop you!)

10. I watched at least some of every Big 10 game this weekend. The good news is that even with McEvoy at QB, if we can master like 10 simple running plays, we will be like the 3rd best team in the league. Most of these other teams seriously blow. (I predict both Stave and McEvoy will play a half next week and Stave will take over from there.)
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:16 AM

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I honestly don't think McEvoy can hit the TE/RB/FB with any better accuracy.
crazyatthecamp wrote:

We needed to target the TE and FB more on short/intermediate routes matched up with LSU's linebackers, not DBs.


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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:24 AM

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#6  My biggest head scratcher of the  night.  Thought that starting TM at QB meant more read option.  Still trying to figure out the TM=Chuckie Keaton equation  . . . .

#9  Most were hoping that the Badgers would keep it close as a sign that the B1G was catching up.  Amazing how the perception has turned.
I let the dogs out
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:27 AM

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I only remember one naked boot, didn't game plan for his mobility and use him properly. I do believe Ludwig is a problem.


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#6  My biggest head scratcher of the  night.  Thought that starting TM at QB meant more read option.  Still trying to figure out the TM=Chuckie Keaton equation  . . . .

#9  Most were hoping that the Badgers would keep it close as a sign that the B1G was catching up.  Amazing how the perception has turned.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:28 AM

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Anything is easier than trying to hit a guy under 6'0 on a fade route or go route down the middle. That type of stuff is ridiculous.

As is the love of the slants

and the love of throwing on 2nd and 6 or 8

We were kicking LSU's ass tonight. A mauling!!! And we end up pissing it away instead of mauling more
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:29 AM

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About #7, I thought I saw Jean back there towards the end of the game and don't particularly feel like rewatching that portion right now.  Was he swapped for Figaro at some point, or was that just who happened to be on the field when I saw them?

Also, this is why the NFL has preseason games.  Hope the young guys get plenty of game experience the next few weeks and McEvoy gets on the same page as his receivers by the time the B1G portion gets here.

Also, speaking of McEvoy, was he even hit on a drop back at any point?  It sure looked like he was running scared for no particular reason.  I know that Andersen picked him as the guy, but it wouldn't be the first time Stave has replaced a panicky, interception-prone transfer quarterback.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:41 AM

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Buckysdorsalstripe wrote: I was hoping to find some solace in your 12 things, ETR, but no luck. I hate the hyperbole that these boards enable, but I believe this was one of the worst Badger losses in 20 years. It dampers my expectations for the entire season, has seriously made me question the competence of this staff and the direction of the entire program and, oh yeah, they blew a giant lead to throw away what could have been a program altering win. Good grief.
Nailed it.  I've tried to be cautiously optimistic w this staff, but between the PSU game and this debacle, it hasn't been pretty.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:46 AM

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Figaro was brutal, cost 2 TDs


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Yes, Jean replaced Figaro

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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:56 AM

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After the last three games this staff has put together, I'm starting to wonder. Not panic time yet, O'Brian and Spurrier are one thing. But when you're out coached by Les Miles on game day, you need to look in the mirror.

I don't understand much about what happened tonight, expect it's an all too common occurrence for the Badgers.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 1:59 AM

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komacki wrote: About #7, I thought I saw Jean back there towards the end of the game and don't particularly feel like rewatching that portion right now.  Was he swapped for Figaro at some point, or was that just who happened to be on the field when I saw them?

Also, this is why the NFL has preseason games.  Hope the young guys get plenty of game experience the next few weeks and McEvoy gets on the same page as his receivers by the time the B1G portion gets here.

Also, speaking of McEvoy, was he even hit on a drop back at any point?  It sure looked like he was running scared for no particular reason.  I know that Andersen picked him as the guy, but it wouldn't be the first time Stave has replaced a panicky, interception-prone transfer quarterback.
Good comparison, and the funny thing is DOB had similar excuses made for him relative to Stave, until we were actually allowed to see the difference.  You mean the offensive line and receivers seem more passable when the qb doesn't pull the ball down and start running away at the first sign of minimal pressure?  You don't say.  Stave's poise, awareness, and footwork sadly get ignored by detractors.  And Stave throws a much better ball, set feet or not.  Not that it's saying much.  50 Cent throws a better ball than McEvoy.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 2:04 AM

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Apparently CGA has no plans to use Stave soon. Even the usual super die-hards OTOs are already have second thought about CGA. So far he has beaten nobody where he was not favored.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 2:48 AM

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They threw some short passes but they were either dropped, off target, or stuffed for no gain.


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did I miss something on the math (12 things?)

suggestions:

11. punting = bad

12. how about the short passing game (dump-offs to the backs) we were promised? they did a couple throws on roll outs to the TE - should have been more. TM with a 7 step drop trying to hit a fly pattern is not a recipe for success.

kudos for point #5.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 2:52 AM

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God and I had totally forgotten about him.

It is quite the list of pencilled in starters that have totally bombed for us. Especially recently. Evridge was pretty terrible too.

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komacki wrote: About #7, I thought I saw Jean back there towards the end of the game and don't particularly feel like rewatching that portion right now.  Was he swapped for Figaro at some point, or was that just who happened to be on the field when I saw them?

Also, this is why the NFL has preseason games.  Hope the young guys get plenty of game experience the next few weeks and McEvoy gets on the same page as his receivers by the time the B1G portion gets here.

Also, speaking of McEvoy, was he even hit on a drop back at any point?  It sure looked like he was running scared for no particular reason.  I know that Andersen picked him as the guy, but it wouldn't be the first time Stave has replaced a panicky, interception-prone transfer quarterback.
Good comparison, and the funny thing is DOB had similar excuses made for him relative to Stave, until we were actually allowed to see the difference.  You mean the offensive line and receivers seem more passable when the qb doesn't pull the ball down and start running away at the first sign of minimal pressure?  You don't say.  Stave's poise, awareness, and footwork sadly get ignored by detractors.  And Stave throws a much better ball, set feet or not.  Not that it's saying much.  50 Cent throws a better ball than McEvoy.

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Posted: 8/31/2014 2:57 AM

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I'll add one:

Mt. Rushmore still has a spot open between Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods.
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