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Lubern Figaro

Posted: 8/28/2014 10:30 AM

Lubern Figaro 


I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:35 AM

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That is indeed a typo. The Badgers roster has him at 179*.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:36 AM

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noson wrote: I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?
yeah.  they meant 278.  tongue
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:40 AM

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Damn, that is on the small size.  I'm assuming that he's got decent speed, but geez 179???  You'd think they'd sit him and let him fill out some.  Kenny Hilliard would turn him into a pancake.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:42 AM

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ajmadison checks heights for us. Not sure if we can verify the weight.
mbadger wrote:
noson wrote: I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?
yeah.  they meant 278.  tongue
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:42 AM

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That spot was a big hole going into the season.  Starting a freshman isn't ideal.  He's really fast and supposedly a decent tackler.  It's the mental part that worries me quite honestly.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:46 AM

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Kilgore309 wrote: That spot was a big hole going into the season.  Starting a freshman isn't ideal.  He's really fast and supposedly a decent tackler.  It's the mental part that worries me quite honestly.

Gotcha, makes sense then.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:51 AM

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Last edited 8/28/2014 10:51 AM by hoopsgalore

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Posted: 8/28/2014 11:46 AM

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Are you a Badgers fan? Did you watch many games last season?


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I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?

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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:05 PM

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Are you a Badgers fan? Did you watch many games last season?


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I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?

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No noson is not a badger fan. He is fairly reasonable in his discussions but I've noticed him asking as if he wants to learn something when in reality he is really just tweaking us Badger fans. For instance, the real statement being made here is that our safety is to small to play against the mighty, mighty LSU players. Judging a player by his weight is a big mistake. Imagine me going on the LSU board and asking if Fournette is really 230 and if he is he'll be to slow? We know Fournette's weight isn't an issue and neither is Figaro's. Sure he could and will add some weight but by all accounts he's fast, physical, and tough. I can't wait for this game!
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:11 PM

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Ok, thanks. I didn't want to be too hard on the guy if he was a Badgers fan but the question clearly comes from someone that doesn't understand Aranda's defense.

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I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?

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No noson is not a badger fan. He is fairly reasonable in his discussions but I've noticed him asking as if he wants to learn something when in reality he is really just tweaking us Badger fans. For instance, the real statement being made here is that our safety is to small to play against the mighty, mighty LSU players. Judging a player by his weight is a big mistake. Imagine me going on the LSU board and asking if Fournette is really 230 and if he is he'll be to slow? We know Fournette's weight isn't an issue and neither is Figaro's. Sure he could and will add some weight but by all accounts he's fast, physical, and tough. I can't wait for this game!

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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:33 PM

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MGMbadger wrote:


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I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?

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No noson is not a badger fan. He is fairly reasonable in his discussions but I've noticed him asking as if he wants to learn something when in reality he is really just tweaking us Badger fans. For instance, the real statement being made here is that our safety is to small to play against the mighty, mighty LSU players. Judging a player by his weight is a big mistake. Imagine me going on the LSU board and asking if Fournette is really 230 and if he is he'll be to slow? We know Fournette's weight isn't an issue and neither is Figaro's. Sure he could and will add some weight but by all accounts he's fast, physical, and tough. I can't wait for this game!

I wasn't trolling you guys at all.  Just surprised the DC is going to start an undersized player at safety.  I understand plugging him in at CB.  Chavis has started true freshman at CB that held there own including last year when a true freshman shut down Mike Evans.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 1:49 PM

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hoopsgalore wrote: Speaking of Figaro (in case it hasn't been linked)...

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2014/8/27/6076361/wisconsin-lsu-lubern-figaro-chikwe-obasih
Lubern sounds like he'll be good for some interesting quotes over the next few years.  Sojourn has the same kind of personality and I think it's a big reason why he was so good last year.  Confidence is extremely important for DBs, even if they do not yet have anything to back it up with.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:37 PM

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panama74 wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote: Speaking of Figaro (in case it hasn't been linked)...

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2014/8/27/6076361/wisconsin-lsu-lubern-figaro-chikwe-obasih
Lubern sounds like he'll be good for some interesting quotes over the next few years.  Sojourn has the same kind of personality and I think it's a big reason why he was so good last year.  Confidence is extremely important for DBs, even if they do not yet have anything to back it up with.
Oh I totally agree.  You want those guys to be somewhat cocky especially when they are one on one.  But they also need to back it up in order to get respect from the rest of the team.  Honey badger at times wouldn't shut up and was cocky as hell.  Luckily for him he backed it up except he was a no show in the MNC against Bama on 1/9
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Posted: 8/28/2014 2:43 PM

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Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:00 PM

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This is a great point.
Kilgore309 wrote: Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.
 
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:14 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote: Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.

To a degree.  If your playing against big backs who are consistently getting into the secondary, a smaller safety will be less inclined to tackle that back after he takes a few shots.  I've seen it over and over again.   Back in the 90's when LSU sucked for a time, we had that issue with undersized db's in the SEC.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:38 PM

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noson wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote: Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.

To a degree.  If your playing against big backs who are consistently getting into the secondary, a smaller safety will be less inclined to tackle that back after he takes a few shots.  I've seen it over and over again.   Back in the 90's when LSU sucked for a time, we had that issue with undersized db's in the SEC.
If the big backs are consistently getting into the secondary you have other issues than a safety being light.  By all accounts Lubern is tough as nails, quick as hell, and not afraid to make plays.  He likes to hit unlike many guys that are smaller.  One of the things that the staff noticed was his toughness defensively on the basketball court.  Figaro's physicality will not be an issue.  His assignments may be as he is a true freshman.  If Figaro is having trouble with your RBs then something has gone wrong with our DL and LBs.  Caputo, on the other hand, will be poking his knows into things much more often.

Not getting on you noson as I've enjoyed reading your thoughts.  You are, however, consistently and politely focusing on trying to find weaknesses to pick on.  Maybe you should start a thread about Gordon and Clement's work ethic or something that stands out as a positive for the Badgers.  Did you know that Gordon has been known to call teammates at 3:00 in the morning after he just did ladder work in his front lawn simply to ask his teammate what he did recently to get better?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:42 PM

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noson wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote: Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.

To a degree.  If your playing against big backs who are consistently getting into the secondary, a smaller safety will be less inclined to tackle that back after he takes a few shots.  I've seen it over and over again.   Back in the 90's when LSU sucked for a time, we had that issue with undersized db's in the SEC.
You probably sucked for reasons other than the weight of your DBs.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:45 PM

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noson wrote:
panama74 wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote: Speaking of Figaro (in case it hasn't been linked)...

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2014/8/27/6076361/wisconsin-lsu-lubern-figaro-chikwe-obasih
Lubern sounds like he'll be good for some interesting quotes over the next few years.  Sojourn has the same kind of personality and I think it's a big reason why he was so good last year.  Confidence is extremely important for DBs, even if they do not yet have anything to back it up with.
Oh I totally agree.  You want those guys to be somewhat cocky especially when they are one on one.  But they also need to back it up in order to get respect from the rest of the team.  Honey badger at times wouldn't shut up and was cocky as hell.  Luckily for him he backed it up except he was a no show in the MNC against Bama on 1/9
The difference is it Figaro and Shelton aren't the same as the Honey Badger off the field.  They have confidence and look to make plays on the field.  They aren't afraid to compete.  Off the field, by all accounts, both kids work hard at their trade and are focused on their future and their family.  I would be surprised if we see either Shelton or Figaro get in trouble while they are in Madison.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:50 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
noson wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote: Again, size isn't going to be Figaro's issue.  If he knows his assignment on every play we'll be in great hands.  If he completely blows a few we'll be no worse off than we have been the last couple of years.

To a degree.  If your playing against big backs who are consistently getting into the secondary, a smaller safety will be less inclined to tackle that back after he takes a few shots.  I've seen it over and over again.   Back in the 90's when LSU sucked for a time, we had that issue with undersized db's in the SEC.
You probably sucked for reasons other than the weight of your DBs.
Spot on Kilgore!
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Posted: 8/28/2014 3:55 PM

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The guy is a free safety in a 3-4. Our strong safety and LBs are big enough.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:30 PM

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noson wrote:
panama74 wrote: 
Lubern sounds like he'll be good for some interesting quotes over the next few years.  Sojourn has the same kind of personality and I think it's a big reason why he was so good last year.  Confidence is extremely important for DBs, even if they do not yet have anything to back it up with.
Oh I totally agree.  You want those guys to be somewhat cocky especially when they are one on one.  But they also need to back it up in order to get respect from the rest of the team.  Honey badger at times wouldn't shut up and was cocky as hell.  Luckily for him he backed it up except he was a no show in the MNC against Bama on 1/9
The underlying assumption with this line of thinking is that fans always see this sort of confidence & that it's actual real.  Which is completely wrong. Some guys who have "swagger" are just pricks & it's a false bravado and covering up feelings of inferiority. And some guys believe they're can whip every guy who steps onto the field with them - and you'd never know because they don't put their emotions on display.  Not to mention, it's not even always a bad thing for a guy to feel inferior - there are plenty of guys who end up solid or even great NFL players in large part because they believe they're less talented than everyone else & need to workout, study & play 10 times as hard just to keep up.

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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:39 PM

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Didn't we once have a 5'8" All American safety who had 21 career INTs and is now in his 10th year in the pros? I doubt he weighed much more than 170 when he first started at safety
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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:58 PM

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That is what pissed my off about honey badger.  All the talent in the world and he couldn't stay out of trouble off the field.  Thank God Patrick Peterson took him in his wings and has straightened him up.  In all fairness to him though, he came from a bad family background.  Very little parental involvement which is not uncommon in inner city New Orleans. 

I get everyone's point on Figaro.  Obviously he earned a starting role.  I'm excited and not trying to nitpick your players.  Both teams have negatives going into this game.  I think the play of both teams Dlines will decide the outcome of this game.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:01 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote: The guy is a free safety in a 3-4. Our strong safety and LBs are big enough.
I don't know that front 7 really means much though, it's really a separate discussion. Some guys like more traditional FS & SS roles where the FS is a center fielder & coverage guy & the SS is more of a run support role closer to another linebacker. Others have moved to an approach where they prefer two guys who are pretty interchangeable. Yes, your linebackers influence your backend coverage to a degree, but you can make either of those approaches work just fine with either 3-4 or 4-3. 

As far as size of Figaro (or any other DB), it just comes down to knowing what you can do & finding something you can make work. Charles Woodson wasn't exactly a big guy - but he knew it & used his athleticism & smarts to get guys to the ground. If you're a smaller guy, you gotta know you're not going to come flying in & hit a big back up high. You stay low - wrapping up the knees/ankles will work just fine to put guys on the ground.

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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:36 PM

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Again, it's just ignorance in commenting on Aranda's defense.

Sorry dude.


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MGMbadger wrote:


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Are you a Badgers fan? Did you watch many games last season?


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--- noson wrote:

I saw a freshman on another board that was mentioned as starting for WI at safety.  Is that true?  I see he's listed at 178 lbs.  Is that a typo?

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No noson is not a badger fan. He is fairly reasonable in his discussions but I've noticed him asking as if he wants to learn something when in reality he is really just tweaking us Badger fans. For instance, the real statement being made here is that our safety is to small to play against the mighty, mighty LSU players. Judging a player by his weight is a big mistake. Imagine me going on the LSU board and asking if Fournette is really 230 and if he is he'll be to slow? We know Fournette's weight isn't an issue and neither is Figaro's. Sure he could and will add some weight but by all accounts he's fast, physical, and tough. I can't wait for this game!

I wasn't trolling you guys at all.  Just surprised the DC is going to start an undersized player at safety.  I understand plugging him in at CB.  Chavis has started true freshman at CB that held there own including last year when a true freshman shut down Mike Evans.

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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:37 AM

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play the kid's!!  it's time!
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:47 AM

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noson wrote:

To a degree.  If your playing against big backs who are consistently getting into the secondary, a smaller safety will be less inclined to tackle that back after he takes a few shots.  I've seen it over and over again.   Back in the 90's when LSU sucked for a time, we had that issue with undersized db's in the SEC.
This just shows your lack of understanding how defenses work.  If you have a FS that has the primary responsibility of deep coverage in a cover 1 man scheme, why would he be anywhere near the running back?  He'll basically be the last line of defense.  If the RB is consistently getting to the last guy on the D, how many yards rushing are you going to have at the end of the game?


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 7:17 AM

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Watched the latest episode of the Camp and he looks quick and athletic and if he's starting then he must be damn good, again trust this staff. Our defense is going to be more athletic and quick as the years go on with GA and DA

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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