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Our QB is Taylor Martinez with a better arm.

Posted: 8/23/2014 4:25 PM

Our QB is Taylor Martinez with a better arm. 


T-Mac has a weird motion and isn't that accurate, but mixing his athleticism with Gordon and Clement, and I think the offense will be far better off than with Stave. I always assumed GA would run the same offense regardless of QB, but I don't find that to be the case.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 4:32 PM

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T-Mart? Talk about damning with faint praise! wink
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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:20 PM

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Taylor Martinez would be a pretty darn good college QB (in Nebraska's system) if he didn't turn the ball over like a maniac.

If W-TM was N-TM minus the fumbles, I'd feel okay about going into the season.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:29 PM

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TerraceChair wrote: Taylor Martinez would be a pretty darn good college QB (in Nebraska's system) if he didn't turn the ball over like a maniac.

If W-TM was N-TM minus the fumbles, I'd feel okay about going into the season.
Me too.  My personal theory on Martinez is that he has small hands and couldn't hang on to the ball as well as other quarterbacks and also had troubles throwing accurately. 

If McEvoy has now been named the true starter (gets the starter snaps), we can assume CGA has determined better running > better passing for his offense.  I must admit I was surprised by the news yesterday.  Hoping it works out and he is not another Alan Evridge.

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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:16 PM

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I doubt McEvoy will turn into a great passer this year, and I'm sure he'll have his share of bonehead moments/poor throws, but I'm very excited about this decision. I think we'll score more points/game and we'll perform better against good defenses despite our losses. If Ludwig can consistently use McEvoy to open up additional space for Gordon/Clement, UW will be very dangerous on offense.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 7:44 PM

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That guy Colin Klein at KSU a few years back did a good enough job, and he could barely throw a football.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:00 PM

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It seems weird to say given that we put up 70, but in the BTTG vs Nebraska, Martinez had the best play of the game.  If he could have cut down the turnovers even a bit, he would have been a great college qb.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:40 PM

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Yeah, TM had the one big play in the championship game, but the guys in the booth pointed out a bunch of penalties en route, on Nebraska. We need to hope McEvoy can actually throw the ball, make MANY less boneheaded plays than Martinez, and avoid turnovers. I am hopeful, but worried that GA and Ludwig are determined to have their guy, a dual threat guy, and are forcing the issue.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:11 AM

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I don't know that the staff is forcing the issue.

TM may be inaccurate and make bone headed decisions. But.... Stave wasn't exactly William Tell, nor was he particularly adept at not turning the ball over. And that was with relatively little pressure in the backfield, an all-time running game, and NFL level receiving options at WR, TE, and RB. I always figured that Stave was going to have to show massive improvement if he wanted to hold the starting job after his late season swoon last year. Apparently that didn't happen.

If you have the choice between 2 inaccurate QBs who will both likely turn the ball over too much, start the one with the added element of running.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:26 AM

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Martinez is a talentless punk. Still remember him getting in Borland's face after scoring a TD at CR, hence the subsequent body slam. He made Favre eek1eek1eek1 passes but lacked Brett's ability. Thought he was the most overrated FB of all time - only an idiot like Pelini would keep playing him. Led the nation in TO's 3 straight years - that's freaking amazing.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:28 AM

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Where is all this lack of accuracy talk coming from regarding McEvoy? He's every bit as accurate if not more so than stave. The difference has been stave has a stronger arm and knows the offense better.

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I don't know that the staff is forcing the issue.

TM may be inaccurate and make bone headed decisions. But.... Stave wasn't exactly William Tell, nor was he particularly adept at not turning the ball over. And that was with relatively little pressure in the backfield, an all-time running game, and NFL level receiving options at WR, TE, and RB. I always figured that Stave was going to have to show massive improvement if he wanted to hold the starting job after his late season swoon last year. Apparently that didn't happen.

If you have the choice between 2 inaccurate QBs who will both likely turn the ball over too much, start the one with the added element of running.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:34 AM

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stlbadger wrote: Martinez is a talentless punk. Still remember him getting in Borland's face after scoring a TD at CR, hence the subsequent body slam. He made Favre eek1eek1eek1 passes but lacked Brett's ability. Thought he was the most overrated FB of all time - only an idiot like Pelini would keep playing him. Led the nation in TO's 3 straight years - that's freaking amazing.
Should we then consider Stave in 2013 less than talentless? Stave threw for 400 less yards, threw for 1 less TD, threw 1 more INT, ran for 1100 less yards , and 9 less TDs than Martinez did his last full season. During the time Martinez was QBing at Nebraska, Nebraska went 38-16 to Wisconsin's 39-15 and Wisconsin had Tolzien and Wilson during some of that stretch.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:52 AM

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jajulka wrote:
Where is all this lack of accuracy talk coming from regarding McEvoy? He's every bit as accurate if not more so than stave.
You answered your own question.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 10:29 AM

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TerraceChair wrote:
jajulka wrote:
Where is all this lack of accuracy talk coming from regarding McEvoy? He's every bit as accurate if not more so than stave.
You answered your own question.
LOL! Well played. 

Stave probably has a stronger arm, but against a team like LSU, neither are strong enough, nor do the WRs have enough speed, to blow the top off the defense.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:04 AM

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WISteeler wrote: T-Mac has a weird motion and isn't that accurate, but mixing his athleticism with Gordon and Clement, and I think the offense will be far better off than with Stave. I always assumed GA would run the same offense regardless of QB, but I don't find that to be the case.
McEvoy might have a better arm than TMart, faint praise, but I doubt he's as fast. Martinez is reported to have run a 4.28 in his pro day.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:38 PM

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For anyone that hasn't looked, here's Tanner's JUCO passing stats:

182 attempts
124 completions
68.1 completion percentage
1813 yards
10.0 yards/attempt
25 touchdowns
5 interceptions
189.8 passer rating
0 sacks

In the 8 games McEvoy played, Western Arizona was 8-0. In the two games he didn't play they were 0-2.

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Yeah, his mechanics look terrible and it's JUCO, but you have to somewhat accurate to complete 68% of your passes, and at 10 yards/att, they not just dump offs to the RB. He didn't turn the ball over much and didn't get sacked once (I wonder if they just didn't track sacks).

The point is, he could actually be a pretty decent passer.

I also thought this was pretty fun to watch. Film from his Junior year playing receiver. Pretty impressive athlete with the ball in his hands.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 1:14 PM

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There is no way he is as fast as T. Martinez.  I am hoping he is a better quarterback than him.  That remains to be seen.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 2:02 PM

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UWGrant wrote: There is no way he is as fast as T. Martinez.  I am hoping he is a better quarterback than him.  That remains to be seen.
This.  Martinez was a very rare QB when it came to running ability.  Labeling a QB as another Martinez when he has never played a down of D1 football at the position seems like a bit of a reach.  I have high hopes that he will be a better all around QB.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:20 PM

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arrogantprick wrote:
For anyone that hasn't looked, here's Tanner's JUCO passing stats:

182 attempts
124 completions
68.1 completion percentage
1813 yards
10.0 yards/attempt
25 touchdowns
5 interceptions
189.8 passer rating
0 sacks

In the 8 games McEvoy played, Western Arizona was 8-0. In the two games he didn't play they were 0-2.

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Yeah, his mechanics look terrible and it's JUCO, but you have to somewhat accurate to complete 68% of your passes, and at 10 yards/att, they not just dump offs to the RB. He didn't turn the ball over much and didn't get sacked once (I wonder if they just didn't track sacks).

The point is, he could actually be a pretty decent passer.

I also thought this was pretty fun to watch. Film from his Junior year playing receiver. Pretty impressive athlete with the ball in his hands.

Have you ever seen that commercial about Wisconsin traditions that starts out with Bart Starr throwing a pass? What a bad windup and motion. It worked for him. It worked for Tebow. Arnold Palmer never learned how to follow through on his golf swing. Lee Trevino was terrible looking to say the least. They all did OK.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:37 PM

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UWGrant wrote: There is no way he is as fast as T. Martinez.  I am hoping he is a better quarterback than him.  That remains to be seen.
Martinez made incredibly stupid decisions in the passing game - I would be stunned if Tanner is as dense.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:39 PM

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I don't think we know how fast Tanner really is until he hits the field. Probably less agile than T-Mart, but might be just as straight-line fast.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 4:48 PM

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WISteeler wrote: I don't think we know how fast Tanner really is until he hits the field. Probably less agile than T-Mart, but might be just as straight-line fast.
He's reported to run between 4.6 and 4.7.  He's nowhere near Martinez' straight line speed.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:14 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
WISteeler wrote: I don't think we know how fast Tanner really is until he hits the field. Probably less agile than T-Mart, but might be just as straight-line fast.
He's reported to run between 4.6 and 4.7.  He's nowhere near Martinez' straight line speed.

That's great speed for someone Tanner's size but, as others have said, it is nowhere near as fast as TMart could run.  Not even close.  I think Tanner can be a very formidable QB with his combination of size, running, and throwing ability but he doesn't have the kind of blazing speed that can leave DBs grabbing air.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 5:25 PM

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This. But I will say that is plenty of speed to be a problem for a defense at the QB position.

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WISteeler wrote: I don't think we know how fast Tanner really is until he hits the field. Probably less agile than T-Mart, but might be just as straight-line fast.
He's reported to run between 4.6 and 4.7.  He's nowhere near Martinez' straight line speed.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:52 PM

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He's physical. We've seen that from his stint as a safety, but I do hope he knows when to slide.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 9:53 PM

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Isn't Kappernick a 4.5 or 4.6 guy?   And he runs away from guys in the NFL.   4.6 will be plenty fast in CFB.  
jajulka wrote:
This. But I will say that is plenty of speed to be a problem for a defense at the QB position.

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WISteeler wrote: I don't think we know how fast Tanner really is until he hits the field. Probably less agile than T-Mart, but might be just as straight-line fast.
He's reported to run between 4.6 and 4.7.  He's nowhere near Martinez' straight line speed.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:23 PM

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Even if hes a 4.7 or 4.8 guy, he can run fast and is 6'6, this guy can see down the field too, he could make some big plays with his legs like RW did, just even extending it by a extra couple seconds

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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:08 AM

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TMac is nowhere near as fast as Martinez though.

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T-Mac has a weird motion and isn't that accurate, but mixing his athleticism with Gordon and Clement, and I think the offense will be far better off than with Stave. I always assumed GA would run the same offense regardless of QB, but I don't find that to be the case.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:57 AM

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No he is not but he is 6'6 and 220, he is a big powerful guy to bring down

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Posted: 8/31/2014 12:52 AM

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This just in, our QB is Taylor Martinez without the running ability and with perhaps worse decision making
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