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Stocco vs. Stave

Posted: 8/19/2014 9:56 PM

Stocco vs. Stave 


    Who was the better QB in his 1st full year as starter?

  1. Poll closed on 08/26/2014
  2. Stocco in 2004: 24 votes
  3. Stave in 2013: 18 votes
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Posted: 8/20/2014 6:56 AM

Re: Stocco vs. Stave 


Another poll!!!biggrinbiggrin
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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:38 AM

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No comparison, Stave by far.

Stocco-2,000 yards, 9Td's with 7Int's and with 52% compl rate and a 109.8 QB rating.

Stave-2,495 yards, 22Td's with 13Int's, with a 62% compl rate and a 138.1 QB rating

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

Last edited 8/20/2014 9:40 AM by Badger8843

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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:11 AM

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It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:36 AM

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madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:37 AM

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The big plus (to my non-expert eye) was that early on Stocco learned to get rid of the ball on time. His completion percentage suffered, but his sack percentage was correspondingly low.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:55 AM

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sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:09 AM

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I for one feel the skill position talent level is a bit closer than you think.  I'd probably argue it was at least a wash. Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round in 2006 vs Abby in the 5th round.  Charles was a decent target vs. our 2nd option last year being who, Jordan Frederick who is known for his blocking ability.  Owen Daniels went in the 4th round vs. Pedersen not being drafted.  Davis was selected in the 7th round and had Booker not tee'd off on that guy's face on Miflin he most likely would've been drafted as well.  White went in the 4th and Gordon is likely to go in the first two rounds.  I believe the D for Stocco's Sophomore year was also better than last year.
madbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:28 AM

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Strongly disagree with your talent assessment. Abby may have been much better than any of Stocco's targets, but Stocco had a much deeper stable of pass catchers. Running Backs, no Stocco did not have anyone of Gordon's talent. However, the skill positions are not the only measure of surrounding talent. For instance let's consider left tackle. Now Tyler Marz, after struggling early, did turn into a pretty good left tackle. Yet I just can't seem to remember who played left tackle for the Badgers back in 2004. I mean if was a Joe Schlub type no doubt your argument will be strengthened. But if it turns out that our Left tackle in 2004 was oh I don't know, hands down the greatest and most dominant LT to ever play at Wisconsin and one of the greatest to play at any level of football, a 7 time pro bowler 6 time All-Pro(all that despite playing on a joke of a team) and of course a sure fire Hall of famer... Well then of course your surrounding talent argument will take a pretty big blow if that's true.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:30 AM

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BadgerFan811 wrote: I for one feel the skill position talent level is a bit closer than you think.  I'd probably argue it was at least a wash. Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round in 2006 vs Abby in the 5th round.  Charles was a decent target vs. our 2nd option last year being who, Jordan Frederick who is known for his blocking ability.  Owen Daniels went in the 4th round vs. Pedersen not being drafted.  Davis was selected in the 7th round and had Booker not tee'd off on that guy's face on Miflin he most likely would've been drafted as well.  White went in the 4th and Gordon is likely to go in the first two rounds.  I believe the D for Stocco's Sophomore year was also better than last year.
madbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.
Stocco's first full year we rushed for 1930 yards. Last year we rushed for 3685. James White had more rushing yards and touchdowns last year than Davis and Stanley had combined during Stocco's first season. Last year Abby had 36 more receptions, 564 more receiving yards and 7 more touchdowns than Williams had in 2004 and Pedersen had the edge over Daniels with 14 more receptions, 160 more receiving yards and one more touchdown than Daniels. Last years group was far superior statistically rushing the football, had a fairly significant advantage with our number one receiver and had a slim statistical edge over the 2004 team but I'm sure you right that both groups were similar in talent. banghead
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:46 AM

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If Jon Stocco followed Russel Wilson some of the people on this board would be burning him in effigy. Stocco as a red shirt sophomore played on a deep and talented football but consistently proved to be a non factor in games, he was not very accurate, not very aggressive in attacking down field and his decision making was sometimes questionable. 

Stave's faults were greatly magnified because A) the act he followed was a killer B) his defects were maddening. I don't fault Stave for his deep ball accuracy because few college quarterbacks really display an aptitude for this as underclassmen, Stocco didn't become proficient at this until his senior season. However, it was hard not to notice his struggles with delivering high percentage easy tosses inside of 10 ten yards. If I compared Stocco and Stave I would give Stocco the edge in throwing shorter than 8 yards, Stave the edge in between 8-20 and then call it a  wash 20 and beyond.


I would rate Stave higher though, and believe he has a higher ceiling.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:47 AM

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I'm not sure why anyone would want to waste their time trying to compare apples to oranges.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:59 AM

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Perhaps Stave being a better passer has something to do with why the numbers are higher.  I quoted NFL draft rounds because that is a better evaluation of talent as seen by professionals.  If you really want to get scientific with it compare each individuals metrics not from a overall yards and TDs perspective but from a usage rate as in ypc.  Even that won't due the individuals justice because Stocco was gawd awful as a passer his sophomore year.  I don't think anyone in their right mind would take Pedersen over Daniels, aside from maybe you....Perhaps the question should be who from 2014 would you rather have on the 2004 team and visa versa.  For me it's still a wash.
madbadger wrote:
BadgerFan811 wrote: I for one feel the skill position talent level is a bit closer than you think.  I'd probably argue it was at least a wash. Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round in 2006 vs Abby in the 5th round.  Charles was a decent target vs. our 2nd option last year being who, Jordan Frederick who is known for his blocking ability.  Owen Daniels went in the 4th round vs. Pedersen not being drafted.  Davis was selected in the 7th round and had Booker not tee'd off on that guy's face on Miflin he most likely would've been drafted as well.  White went in the 4th and Gordon is likely to go in the first two rounds.  I believe the D for Stocco's Sophomore year was also better than last year.
madbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.
Stocco's first full year we rushed for 1930 yards. Last year we rushed for 3685. James White had more rushing yards and touchdowns last year than Davis and Stanley had combined during Stocco's first season. Last year Abby had 36 more receptions, 564 more receiving yards and 7 more touchdowns than Williams had in 2004 and Pedersen had the edge over Daniels with 14 more receptions, 160 more receiving yards and one more touchdown than Daniels. Last years group was far superior statistically rushing the football, had a fairly significant advantage with our number one receiver and had a slim statistical edge over the 2004 team but I'm sure you right that both groups were similar in talent. banghead
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:01 PM

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BabcockHouse wrote:

Stocco!

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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:12 PM

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Your draft value is relative to the potential the scouts believe you have not you're actual talent. At the time Dianels was a former qb trying to learn to be a tight end. He wasn't as polished on the field as Pedersen was. His game has obviously developed. I'll concede that Daniels was as good in college as Pedersen was and most likely a better pro but perhaps you'd like to address the vast disparity between Davis/Booker and Gordon/White/Clement. It isn't even close and anyone that's followed football for any length of time understands how important running the ball is to passing it effectively in a pro style system. 
BadgerFan811 wrote: Perhaps Stave being a better passer has something to do with why the numbers are higher.  I quoted NFL draft rounds because that is a better evaluation of talent as seen by professionals.  If you really want to get scientific with it compare each individuals metrics not from a overall yards and TDs perspective but from a usage rate as in ypc.  Even that won't due the individuals justice because Stocco was gawd awful as a passer his sophomore year.  I don't think anyone in their right mind would take Pedersen over Daniels, aside from maybe you....Perhaps the question should be who from 2014 would you rather have on the 2004 team and visa versa.  For me it's still a wash.
madbadger wrote:
BadgerFan811 wrote: I for one feel the skill position talent level is a bit closer than you think.  I'd probably argue it was at least a wash. Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round in 2006 vs Abby in the 5th round.  Charles was a decent target vs. our 2nd option last year being who, Jordan Frederick who is known for his blocking ability.  Owen Daniels went in the 4th round vs. Pedersen not being drafted.  Davis was selected in the 7th round and had Booker not tee'd off on that guy's face on Miflin he most likely would've been drafted as well.  White went in the 4th and Gordon is likely to go in the first two rounds.  I believe the D for Stocco's Sophomore year was also better than last year.
madbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.
Stocco's first full year we rushed for 1930 yards. Last year we rushed for 3685. James White had more rushing yards and touchdowns last year than Davis and Stanley had combined during Stocco's first season. Last year Abby had 36 more receptions, 564 more receiving yards and 7 more touchdowns than Williams had in 2004 and Pedersen had the edge over Daniels with 14 more receptions, 160 more receiving yards and one more touchdown than Daniels. Last years group was far superior statistically rushing the football, had a fairly significant advantage with our number one receiver and had a slim statistical edge over the 2004 team but I'm sure you right that both groups were similar in talent. banghead
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:36 PM

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It's obvious the RB position in 2014 is superior to 2004.  I've conceded that.  What I'm saying is that the WRs and TE in 2004 were superior to 2014.  The depth was much better in both cases.  Abby is most likely the best of the bunch in either year but the drop off in 2014 after Abby was astounding.  Given the exact same players on O, Stave is >>>>> Sucko and it's not even close.  Sucko as a Sophomore make stave look like the second coming.
madbadger wrote: Your draft value is relative to the potential the scouts believe you have not you're actual talent. At the time Dianels was a former qb trying to learn to be a tight end. He wasn't as polished on the field as Pedersen was. His game has obviously developed. I'll concede that Daniels was as good in college as Pedersen was and most likely a better pro but perhaps you'd like to address the vast disparity between Davis/Booker and Gordon/White/Clement. It isn't even close and anyone that's followed football for any length of time understands how important running the ball is to passing it effectively in a pro style system. 
BadgerFan811 wrote: Perhaps Stave being a better passer has something to do with why the numbers are higher.  I quoted NFL draft rounds because that is a better evaluation of talent as seen by professionals.  If you really want to get scientific with it compare each individuals metrics not from a overall yards and TDs perspective but from a usage rate as in ypc.  Even that won't due the individuals justice because Stocco was gawd awful as a passer his sophomore year.  I don't think anyone in their right mind would take Pedersen over Daniels, aside from maybe you....Perhaps the question should be who from 2014 would you rather have on the 2004 team and visa versa.  For me it's still a wash.
madbadger wrote:
BadgerFan811 wrote: I for one feel the skill position talent level is a bit closer than you think.  I'd probably argue it was at least a wash. Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round in 2006 vs Abby in the 5th round.  Charles was a decent target vs. our 2nd option last year being who, Jordan Frederick who is known for his blocking ability.  Owen Daniels went in the 4th round vs. Pedersen not being drafted.  Davis was selected in the 7th round and had Booker not tee'd off on that guy's face on Miflin he most likely would've been drafted as well.  White went in the 4th and Gordon is likely to go in the first two rounds.  I believe the D for Stocco's Sophomore year was also better than last year.
madbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
madbadger wrote: It's really an unfair comparison. The season prior to his first full year as a starter Joel had started 6 games and played in 8 while Tolzien only saw mop up time in 3 games. One guy had to experience the learning curve of playing in the B1G while the other one had gotten past his the year before.

This isn't a Joel versus Tolzien pick, it's Joel versus Stocco.
I guess I need a little more caffine.redface In any event in Stocco's first year he had a banged up Anthony Davis, Booker Stanley, Brandon Williams, Darren Charles and Owen Daniels to work with. Stave on the other hand had James White, Melvin Gordon, Corey Clement, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pedersen. It's obvious that Stave had a much better first full year but he also had far better skill position players around him than Stocco did.
Stocco's first full year we rushed for 1930 yards. Last year we rushed for 3685. James White had more rushing yards and touchdowns last year than Davis and Stanley had combined during Stocco's first season. Last year Abby had 36 more receptions, 564 more receiving yards and 7 more touchdowns than Williams had in 2004 and Pedersen had the edge over Daniels with 14 more receptions, 160 more receiving yards and one more touchdown than Daniels. Last years group was far superior statistically rushing the football, had a fairly significant advantage with our number one receiver and had a slim statistical edge over the 2004 team but I'm sure you right that both groups were similar in talent. banghead

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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:49 PM

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I think you are grossly underestimating how good Pedersen was during his time here regardless of where he was drafted. Also the depth behind Williams, while better than last years, wasn't significantly better and IMHO Abby was a much better college receiver than Williams. If you could waive a magic wand and grant the Badgers last years skill position players versus 2004 for the upcoming season I know which group I'd take and it wouldn't be close.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:19 PM

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I don't have a strong opinion about the poll....frankly, neither were very good. But, if Stave can duplicate Stocco's numbers in his last 2 seasons: 5,000 yds, 38 TDs and 15 INTs, then I'll be thrilled. Stocco was great in the pocket, but struggled with pressure and throwing on the run. Overall, he was/is ridiculously underrated on this board.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 1:21 PM

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Comparing receiving statistics between classes to say that 2013's were better is a little misleading when what you're evaluating is the 2 guys throwing them the ball.  In any event I'd take stats like Stave's in most years.  If you could magically take away Stave's 5 most awful throws and turn them into incompletions that were just over the receivers' outstretched fingers I bet a lot of us would feel much better about him.  That's how close I think he was to being perceived as having a really nice year.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:39 PM

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badgerlaw wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the poll....frankly, neither were very good. But, if Stave can duplicate Stocco's numbers in his last 2 seasons: 5,000 yds, 38 TDs and 15 INTs, then I'll be thrilled. Stocco was great in the pocket, but struggled with pressure and throwing on the run. Overall, he was/is ridiculously underrated on this board.
Stocco was a very good Collegiate quarterback, but while he is arguably underrated on this board, some of his supporters and fans(who always seem to be Stave's harshest) seem to forget what he looked like his first season starting. This isn't a knock on Stocco, he like most of our multi-year starters struggled throughout his first year. Sorgi and Bollinger didn't set the world on fire with their passing either and Mike Samuel, well apart from his running ability he was never much of a plus in the arm department.

Stave actually compares favorably, from a production standpoint with all of our past underclassmen starting quarterbacks save Bevell.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 3:46 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote: Comparing receiving statistics between classes to say that 2013's were better is a little misleading when what you're evaluating is the 2 guys throwing them the ball.  In any event I'd take stats like Stave's in most years.  If you could magically take away Stave's 5 most awful throws and turn them into incompletions that were just over the receivers' outstretched fingers I bet a lot of us would feel much better about him.  That's how close I think he was to being perceived as having a really nice year.
And Stave getting hurt in big, close games didn't help. The MSU game during his first season might have gone the other way if he finishes the game. We definitely had a shot at SC in the 2nd half if Stave doesn't break his shoulder (or whatever).

Even though you can't really "blame" him for getting hurt, his tendency to get hurt in big games has to be factored into an evaluation of his value to the team. He needs to learn how to throw the ball away, slide, or just get into a protective crouch as the defenders swarm him. It's part of the game. Protect the football and move on to the next play, even if the next play is a punt from deep in your own territory.

That said, I think Joel is pretty close to being a very good QB and very hopeful that we'll have a better passing game this year. I'm convinced that his problems are largely mental, and part of that is understanding his limitations and compensating for them with better decision-making.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 4:00 PM

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Agreed, Stocco had better WR's/TE furthermore Stave had 22 Td's to 9 for Stocco, 500 more yards for Stave and 10% better compl %, its not even close. And trying to argue that Stave had better pass catchers is a joke. Besides Abby I will take every other WR and TE that Stocco had in 2004 then Stave had in 2013, quit with the excuses.
Buckylaw14 wrote: Strongly disagree with your talent assessment. Abby may have been much better than any of Stocco's targets, but Stocco had a much deeper stable of pass catchers. Running Backs, no Stocco did not have anyone of Gordon's talent. However, the skill positions are not the only measure of surrounding talent. For instance let's consider left tackle. Now Tyler Marz, after struggling early, did turn into a pretty good left tackle. Yet I just can't seem to remember who played left tackle for the Badgers back in 2004. I mean if was a Joe Schlub type no doubt your argument will be strengthened. But if it turns out that our Left tackle in 2004 was oh I don't know, hands down the greatest and most dominant LT to ever play at Wisconsin and one of the greatest to play at any level of football, a 7 time pro bowler 6 time All-Pro(all that despite playing on a joke of a team) and of course a sure fire Hall of famer... Well then of course your surrounding talent argument will take a pretty big blow if that's true.

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:45 AM

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Wow, reading the results of this poll finally allows me to understand how America got to the place politically we currently stand.
Stoccos first season as a QB he was just horrible, beyond bad, LMAO, the entire offensive game plan for one of the best defenses in college football that season was for Stocco NOT to personally lose the game.
Obamanation rules! eek1
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:02 AM

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I admired Stocco's ability to step up in the pocket and take a shot from inside pass rush and still deliver a very good ball.
"Hell.... Lumberg f&%^#d her!"
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:16 AM

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A UW message board QB Poll is truly the best source to use to make sweeping generalizations about our society as a whole.

If only your opinion's were as well-informed as they are strong and over-reaching.


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Wow, reading the results of this poll finally allows me to understand how America got to the place politically we currently stand.
Stoccos first season as a QB he was just horrible, beyond bad, LMAO, the entire offensive game plan for one of the best defenses in college football that season was for Stocco NOT to personally lose the game.
Obamanation rules! eek1

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:20 AM

2004 Schedule 


September 411:00 AMUCF*#21Camp Randall StadiumMadison, WIESPNW 34–6 82,116[1]
September 1111:00 AMUNLV*#21Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNW 18–3 82,071[1]
September 183:00 PMat Arizona*#20Arizona StadiumTucson, AZFSNW 9–7 50,275[1]
September 255:00 PMPenn State#20Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNW 16–3 82,179[1]
October 21:00 PMIllinois#20Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIW 24–7 82,306[1]
October 92:30 PMat #18 Ohio State#15Ohio StadiumColumbus, OHABCW 24–13 105,090[1]
October 164:30 PMat #5 Purdue#10Ross–Ade StadiumWest Lafayette, INESPN2W 20–17 65,196[1]
October 2311:00 AMNorthwestern#6Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNW 24–12 82,468[1]
November 62:30 PMMinnesotadagger#5Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WI (Paul Bunyan's Axe)ABCW 38–14 83,069[1]
November 132:30 PMat Michigan State#4Spartan StadiumEast Lansing, MIABCL 14–49 76,697[1]
November 203:30 PMat #17 Iowa#9Kinnick StadiumIowa City, IA (Heartland Trophy)ESPNL 7–30 70,397[1]
January 110:00 AMvs. #8 Georgia*#16Raymond James StadiumTampa, FL (Outback Bowl)ESPNL 21–24 62,414[1]
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:21 AM

2013 Schedule 


August 3111:00 AMMassachusetts*#23Camp Randall StadiumMadison, WIBTNW 45–0 76,306[1]
September 711:00 AMTennessee Tech*#21Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIBTNW 48–0 77,785[1]
September 149:30 PMat Arizona State*#18Sun Devil StadiumTempe, AZESPNL 30–32 66,155[1]
September 212:30 PMPurdueCamp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIABCW 41–10 80,772[1]
September 287:00 PMat #3 Ohio State#24Ohio StadiumColumbus, OHABCL 24–31 105,826[1]
October 122:30 PM#18 NorthwesterndaggerCamp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIABCW 35–6 81,411[1]
October 197:00 PMat IllinoisMemorial StadiumChampaign, ILBTNW 56–32 47,362[1]
November 211:00 AMat Iowa#23Kinnick StadiumIowa City, IA (Battle for the Heartland Trophy)ABCW 28–9 69,812[1]
November 92:30 PMBYU*#22Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNW 27–17 80,191[1]
November 1611:00 AMIndiana#20Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPN2W 51–3 77,849[1]
November 232:30 PMat #23 Minnesota#17TCF Bank StadiumMinneapolis, MN (Battle for Paul Bunyan's Axe)ESPNW 20–7 53,090[1]
November 302:30 PMPenn State#14Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNL 24–31 78,064[1]
January 112:00 PMvs. #8 South Carolina*#19Florida Citrus Bowl StadiumOrlando, FL (Capital One Bowl)ABCL 24–34 56,629[1]
*Non-conference game. Homecoming. # Rankings from Coaches Poll released prior to game. All times are in Central Time .
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:27 AM

Re: Stocco vs. Stave 


Quite a few blow-outs/stats available to one team. BA not a big fan of RUTS, as we all know.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:33 AM

Re: Stocco vs. Stave 



Ph3431 wrote: A UW message board QB Poll is truly the best source to use to make sweeping generalizations about our society as a whole.

If only your opinion's were as well-informed as they are strong and over-reaching.


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Wow, reading the results of this poll finally allows me to understand how America got to the place politically we currently stand.
Stoccos first season as a QB he was just horrible, beyond bad, LMAO, the entire offensive game plan for one of the best defenses in college football that season was for Stocco NOT to personally lose the game.
Obamanation rules! eek1

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Lars like his views on society and politics to be nice neat and not too complicated. A black side and a white side to be exact. 

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Posted: 8/21/2014 3:18 PM

Re: 2013 Schedule 



belkins wrote:
August 3111:00 AMMassachusetts*#23Camp Randall StadiumMadison, WIBTNW 45–0 76,306[1]
September 711:00 AMTennessee Tech*#21Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIBTNW 48–0 77,785[1]
September 149:30 PMat Arizona State*#18Sun Devil StadiumTempe, AZESPNL 30–32 66,155[1]
September 212:30 PMPurdueCamp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIABCW 41–10 80,772[1]
September 287:00 PMat #3 Ohio State#24Ohio StadiumColumbus, OHABCL 24–31 105,826[1]
October 122:30 PM#18 NorthwesterndaggerCamp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIABCW 35–6 81,411[1]
October 197:00 PMat IllinoisMemorial StadiumChampaign, ILBTNW 56–32 47,362[1]
November 211:00 AMat Iowa#23Kinnick StadiumIowa City, IA (Battle for the Heartland Trophy)ABCW 28–9 69,812[1]
November 92:30 PMBYU*#22Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNW 27–17 80,191[1]
November 1611:00 AMIndiana#20Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPN2W 51–3 77,849[1]
November 232:30 PMat #23 Minnesota#17TCF Bank StadiumMinneapolis, MN (Battle for Paul Bunyan's Axe)ESPNW 20–7 53,090[1]
November 302:30 PMPenn State#14Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WIESPNL 24–31 78,064[1]
January 112:00 PMvs. #8 South Carolina*#19Florida Citrus Bowl StadiumOrlando, FL (Capital One Bowl)ABCL 24–34 56,629[1]
*Non-conference game. Homecoming. # Rankings from Coaches Poll released prior to game. All times are in Central Time .
Looks pretty even to me, both won some ranked games and lost some.
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