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Our Free Scrimmage Recap

Posted: 8/10/2014 6:54 PM

Our Free Scrimmage Recap 


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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:28 PM

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Aside from Gaglianone's performance, Reggie Love had the most impressive day to me.

It's clear the young guys (Rushing, Jamerson, Sanders) have talent but Love has really learned the WR position over the past year.

Stave definitely threw a good ball but Love used his body to create the separation from Caputo. That's the biggest difference I've seen between him and the others thus far. Very encouraging.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:59 PM

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How nice would it be to see Love and Wheelwright as the two starters. 2 athletic guys that can make plays, I would be damn happy

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:30 PM

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The passing scheme surprised me a little bit today.  With the exception of the 50-50 balls thrown down the sidelines the vast majority of the routes took forever to develop.  There were several whistled sacks and a number of other occasions where the defense would have been putting big hits on the QB's had they not had the black jerseys on.   They did hit one nice quick slant but overall many of the routes just seemed to highlight lack of separation.

Perhaps the simply didn't want to show too much prior to the LSU game but based on today if I was the Tigers D-coordinator I would be sending a big rush and daring the receivers to beat their coverage. 
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:46 PM

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I got the impression they didn't want to show anything in prep for LSU. It was vanilla city on offense, especially,


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The passing scheme surprised me a little bit today.  With the exception of the 50-50 balls thrown down the sidelines the vast majority of the routes took forever to develop.  There were several whistled sacks and a number of other occasions where the defense would have been putting big hits on the QB's had they not had the black jerseys on.   They did hit one nice quick slant but overall many of the routes just seemed to highlight lack of separation.

Perhaps the simply didn't want to show too much prior to the LSU game but based on today if I was the Tigers D-coordinator I would be sending a big rush and daring the receivers to beat their coverage. 

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:07 PM

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Thanks, Ben. There were some big hints about the QB situation from GA:

“[Stave]'s poised, he’s confident, he loves to compete...I think he’s handling this team...He’s gone through a lot of things in his career. He battles like crazy and comes to work every day and I believe he’s gotten better...

“I think if you’re going to look to be a speed-option-opportunity team, and really have it be a viable speed option, it’s going to be Tanner...As we continue to move forward, if we played the game today we would have some scenarios where we would want to be a very multiple (faceted) offense. If that means the other guy’s got to get under center every once in a while to be more multi-faceted for people having to prepare [for it], then so be it.”

Sounds as if JS is the likely starter, but that there will be some plays for TM ("the other guy"). I'm not suggesting a two-QB system, such as NU used last year, but situational packages.

On another front, it sounds as if the passing game is coming along: "We have more threats going down the field. You can’t just get up on one guy and double cover him. I think the scheme has changed to help us get the ball down the field, and the quarterbacks are throwing the ball better."

Having multiple downfield threats is a big step up from having one superb guy virtually alone out there. Also, it seems Ludwig has been tweaking the offense to make it easier to succeed. These are positive developments.

Finally, it will be a shock if the freshman kicker is not the starter.

These ARE the Good Old Days.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:26 PM

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Happy talk. Let's see how long it lasts. I am a stave skeptic, I hope to be proven wrong or we end up with a season much like last year - beat teams we are supposed to beat, can't win when we are under dogs or not a clear favorite.

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Thanks, Ben. There were some big hints about the QB situation from GA:

“[Stave]'s poised, he’s confident, he loves to compete...I think he’s handling this team...He’s gone through a lot of things in his career. He battles like crazy and comes to work every day and I believe he’s gotten better...
“I think if you’re going to look to be a speed-option-opportunity team, and really have it be a viable speed option, it’s going to be Tanner...As we continue to move forward, if we played the game today we would have some scenarios where we would want to be a very multiple (faceted) offense. If that means the other guy’s got to get under center every once in a while to be more multi-faceted for people having to prepare [for it], then so be it.”

Sounds as if JS is the likely starter, but that there will be some plays for TM ("the other guy"). I'm not suggesting a two-QB system, such as NU used last year, but situational packages.

On another front, it sounds as if the passing game is coming along: "We have more threats going down the field. You can’t just get up on one guy and double cover him. I think the scheme has changed to help us get the ball down the field, and the quarterbacks are throwing the ball better."

Having multiple downfield threats is a big step up from having one superb guy virtually alone out there. Also, it seems Ludwig has been tweaking the offense to make it easier to succeed. These are positive developments.

Finally, it will be a shock if the freshman kicker is not the starter.



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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:30 PM

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VenturaBadger wrote:
Happy talk. Let's see how long it lasts. I am a stave skeptic, I hope to be proven wrong or we end up with a season much like last year - beat teams we are supposed to beat, can't win when we are under dogs or not a clear favorite.

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--- OlBadger wrote:

Thanks, Ben. There were some big hints about the QB situation from GA:

“[Stave]'s poised, he’s confident, he loves to compete...I think he’s handling this team...He’s gone through a lot of things in his career. He battles like crazy and comes to work every day and I believe he’s gotten better...
“I think if you’re going to look to be a speed-option-opportunity team, and really have it be a viable speed option, it’s going to be Tanner...As we continue to move forward, if we played the game today we would have some scenarios where we would want to be a very multiple (faceted) offense. If that means the other guy’s got to get under center every once in a while to be more multi-faceted for people having to prepare [for it], then so be it.”

Sounds as if JS is the likely starter, but that there will be some plays for TM ("the other guy"). I'm not suggesting a two-QB system, such as NU used last year, but situational packages.

On another front, it sounds as if the passing game is coming along: "We have more threats going down the field. You can’t just get up on one guy and double cover him. I think the scheme has changed to help us get the ball down the field, and the quarterbacks are throwing the ball better."

Having multiple downfield threats is a big step up from having one superb guy virtually alone out there. Also, it seems Ludwig has been tweaking the offense to make it easier to succeed. These are positive developments.

Finally, it will be a shock if the freshman kicker is not the starter.



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Given this years schedule that should make them 11-1?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:56 PM

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VenturaBadger wrote:
Happy talk. Let's see how long it lasts.


Good lord, it's August! This is the time for happy talk. Let's save the grumbling for after losses. biggrin
These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:57 PM

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But Tanner can? Besides his running ability doesn't seem like he can bear stave at anything else
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Happy talk. Let's see how long it lasts. I am a stave skeptic, I hope to be proven wrong or we end up with a season much like last year - beat teams we are supposed to beat, can't win when we are under dogs or not a clear favorite.

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--- OlBadger wrote:

Thanks, Ben. There were some big hints about the QB situation from GA:

“[Stave]'s poised, he’s confident, he loves to compete...I think he’s handling this team...He’s gone through a lot of things in his career. He battles like crazy and comes to work every day and I believe he’s gotten better...
“I think if you’re going to look to be a speed-option-opportunity team, and really have it be a viable speed option, it’s going to be Tanner...As we continue to move forward, if we played the game today we would have some scenarios where we would want to be a very multiple (faceted) offense. If that means the other guy’s got to get under center every once in a while to be more multi-faceted for people having to prepare [for it], then so be it.”

Sounds as if JS is the likely starter, but that there will be some plays for TM ("the other guy"). I'm not suggesting a two-QB system, such as NU used last year, but situational packages.

On another front, it sounds as if the passing game is coming along: "We have more threats going down the field. You can’t just get up on one guy and double cover him. I think the scheme has changed to help us get the ball down the field, and the quarterbacks are throwing the ball better."

Having multiple downfield threats is a big step up from having one superb guy virtually alone out there. Also, it seems Ludwig has been tweaking the offense to make it easier to succeed. These are positive developments.

Finally, it will be a shock if the freshman kicker is not the starter.



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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:20 AM

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VenturaBadger wrote:
Happy talk. Let's see how long it lasts. I am a stave skeptic, I hope to be proven wrong or we end up with a season much like last year - beat teams we are supposed to beat, can't win when we are under dogs or not a clear favorite.

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I think what you are is a Badger passing game skeptic.

We've seen what it looks like when Stave isn't out there and it AIN"T pretty.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:57 AM

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Thanks, Ben. There were some big hints about the QB situation from GA:

“[Stave]'s poised, he’s confident, he loves to compete...I think he’s handling this team...He’s gone through a lot of things in his career. He battles like crazy and comes to work every day and I believe he’s gotten better...
“I think if you’re going to look to be a speed-option-opportunity team, and really have it be a viable speed option, it’s going to be Tanner...As we continue to move forward, if we played the game today we would have some scenarios where we would want to be a very multiple (faceted) offense. If that means the other guy’s got to get under center every once in a while to be more multi-faceted for people having to prepare [for it], then so be it.”

Sounds as if JS is the likely starter, but that there will be some plays for TM ("the other guy"). I'm not suggesting a two-QB system, such as NU used last year, but situational packages.

On another front, it sounds as if the passing game is coming along: "We have more threats going down the field. You can’t just get up on one guy and double cover him. I think the scheme has changed to help us get the ball down the field, and the quarterbacks are throwing the ball better."

Having multiple downfield threats is a big step up from having one superb guy virtually alone out there. Also, it seems Ludwig has been tweaking the offense to make it easier to succeed. These are positive developments.

Finally, it will be a shock if the freshman kicker is not the starter.



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Parsing coach speak is like taking a fun Rorschach test. I read his comments to mean that he wants a qb like McEvoy but that Stave is still ahead of him ever so slightly on the field. He's trying to come to terms with the fact that Stave is playing better but he isn't what he wants his qb to look like. I could be wrong....
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:00 AM

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College qb's with rare exceptioon make big jumps from 2-3rd year.  Still, too bad Stave does not have an OD, BC, BW, etc as average college qb's can look very good with great skill talent. From bevell to sorgi to Stocco, all had big time go to players at skill

Staves sorgi like staus pocket wise is the biggest concern imo which is why GA may be splitting snaps/ getting both ready.  One big shot vs LSU and tanner will be playing so lets hop it was indeed, very vanilla on saturday.

I think both will play a ton post LSu as its a gravy sched and by big ten season, one will emerge
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:04 AM

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If McEvoy doesn't significantly separate himself, I hate to say this, but I'd like Stave back there. He has played a log of games at QB at game speed. The results have been mediocre, but you know what you're going to get. I haven't seen any great passing out of McEvoy and this so-called running ability has never been tested. 

As for QB by platoon, that rarely works well. If we have two unless one of them is a guy named Tim Tebow.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:07 AM

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buckyfever1 wrote: College qb's with rare exceptioon make big jumps from 2-3rd year.  Still, too bad Stave does not have an OD, BC, BW, etc as average college qb's can look very good with great skill talent. From bevell to sorgi to Stocco, all had big time go to players at skill

Staves sorgi like staus pocket wise is the biggest concern imo which is why GA may be splitting snaps/ getting both ready.  One big shot vs LSU and tanner will be playing so lets hop it was indeed, very vanilla on saturday.

I think both will play a ton post LSu as its a gravy sched and by big ten season, one will emerge
obviously wr is a wild card but thinking we may find a few that are good enough.  i think people forget about guys like arenson and even traylor, who i think will emerge.  also derek watt has excellent hands.  hopefully gordon and clement will help in passing game.  with this run game and our o line, we don't need a san deigo charger like group of receivers.  hopefully a love, wheelright, or rushing/jamerson, will be able to stretch the field a bit.  they either need to our run the d backs to get open, or prove they can out fight them for the ball.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:07 AM

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Ph3431 nailed it.  What we saw at yesterday's scrimmage was vanilla all the way.  If anything, I think they ran plays that they haven't practiced much just to give LSU some things to think about.  What we'll see on 8/30 will be different, a more concise and focused offense, than what GA & staff are showing during public scrimmages.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:09 AM

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Stave is the incumbent and likely starter baring any unforeseen injuries.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:40 AM

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It was nice the other day watching old video (MSU and OSU) of Wilson hitting receivers in stride.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:44 AM

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Depending how the safety situation plays out, I still think this is a better TEAM if Stave is the quarterback and McEvoy plays safety.   Let Gillins come in for the small read-option package.  No reason to have McEvoy only on the field for a few plays.  Maybe he can do both?

If Stave got hurt, I am sure McEvoy could step in after one week of practice.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:50 AM

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Bacchus1 wrote: If McEvoy doesn't significantly separate himself, I hate to say this, but I'd like Stave back there. He has played a log of games at QB at game speed. The results have been mediocre, but you know what you're going to get. I haven't seen any great passing out of McEvoy and this so-called running ability has never been tested. 

As for QB by platoon, that rarely works well. If we have two unless one of them is a guy named Tim Tebow.
Hopefully, if McEvoy doesn't separate himself, it'll be due to improvement by JS. Sounds like that is a factor rather than Tanner simply not being good enough to start at this level.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:05 AM

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DocWrestling wrote: Depending how the safety situation plays out, I still think this is a better TEAM if Stave is the quarterback and McEvoy plays safety.   Let Gillins come in for the small read-option package.  No reason to have McEvoy only on the field for a few plays.  Maybe he can do both?

If Stave got hurt, I am sure McEvoy could step in after one week of practice.
You must have been really impressed with McEvoy's play at safety last year

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Posted: 8/11/2014 4:18 PM

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Yep.
D3Badger wrote: The passing scheme surprised me a little bit today.  With the exception of the 50-50 balls thrown down the sidelines the vast majority of the routes took forever to develop.  There were several whistled sacks and a number of other occasions where the defense would have been putting big hits on the QB's had they not had the black jerseys on.   They did hit one nice quick slant but overall many of the routes just seemed to highlight lack of separation.

Perhaps the simply didn't want to show too much prior to the LSU game but based on today if I was the Tigers D-coordinator I would be sending a big rush and daring the receivers to beat their coverage. 
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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:40 PM

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zoobadger wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote: If McEvoy doesn't significantly separate himself, I hate to say this, but I'd like Stave back there. He has played a log of games at QB at game speed. The results have been mediocre, but you know what you're going to get. I haven't seen any great passing out of McEvoy and this so-called running ability has never been tested. 

As for QB by platoon, that rarely works well. If we have two unless one of them is a guy named Tim Tebow.
Hopefully, if McEvoy doesn't separate himself, it'll be due to improvement by JS. Sounds like that is a factor rather than Tanner simply not being good enough to start at this level.
I didn't say Tanner wasn't good enough to start.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:58 PM

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With Stave starting, if the offensive line is having trouble pass blocking because of extreme pressure, they can insert McEvoy to change things up.  That is, inserting a mobile quarterback can cut down on the pressure a defense can put on the quarterback.  Should McEvoy start, they would not have that as an option with Stave coming in.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:39 PM

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You mean the greatest Badger QB of all time? The same guy that I said would break records and you kept talking about ST, that same RW?

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It was nice the other day watching old video (MSU and OSU) of Wilson hitting receivers in stride.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:52 PM

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Name a QB right away. That is what I would do. I have coached for a long time. Get it out of the way and give the reps to him. We all know it is Stave.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:23 AM

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bigmac1973 wrote: Name a QB right away. That is what I would do. I have coached for a long time. Get it out of the way and give the reps to him. We all know it is Stave.
I trust GA and AL that they will do whats best for the team, as big of a Stave supporter as I have been, he needs to be pushed by Tanner to improve. And I think that is what is happening right now, I said it months ago and will say it again, Stave will be the starter and have a good year. We also will have a good enough backup in Tanner that if Stave goes down which he has shown he has trouble staying healthy then TM can step up and win games. It is a win/win situation for the program

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:47 AM

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Yeah, Tolzien, the Packer, could hit them in stride too, but I wasn't watching games from 2009 or 2010.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:09 AM

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And so will Stave this year, he has a bigger arm then ST did and he has 2 more years to keep getting better

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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:17 AM

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Badger8843 wrote: And so will Stave this year, he has a bigger arm then ST did and he has 2 more years to keep getting better
I am very much looking forward to that first pass he hits the guy in stride and not down on the guy's shoe tops. Stave has a nice strong arm. Hopefully, he can speed up his delivery and improve his accuracy.

BTW, Tolzien's wasn't that weak (as the Packer's have found).
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