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Fall Camp - QBs

Posted: 8/9/2014 7:26 AM

Fall Camp - QBs 


Reports seem to indicate both Stave and McEvoy are improved over last season. While that's no surprise for TM, it's very encouraging for Stave. Specifically, improved footwork, quicker release, and quicker decisions. Several reports have cited his 'confidence' which is great.

I'm excited to get a look at both guys with the 1s on Sunday.

Gillins also is impressing. While he's unlikely to push for the job this year, it's encouraging news for the future.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:29 AM

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Latest report looks like Stave has pulled ahead.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:32 AM

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That seems like a pretty tough thing to determine considering the media has seen far less than 1/2 the reps with the 1s and 2s.

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Latest report looks like Stave has pulled ahead.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 11:04 AM

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Good work, coach Ludwig and players!  

Gillins might not push for a job this year but I hope he's ready if injuries rear their ugly heads...
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:20 PM

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The reports today make it clear that McEvoy is ahead...throwing the ball.  That's not even taking into consideration his running ability. 
stlbadger wrote: Latest report looks like Stave has pulled ahead.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:29 PM

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And Stave may look better than McEvoy tomorrow.

It's a close race.  One day isn't going to determine the winner.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:36 PM

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I don't think the reporting media has even seen a full day's practice, and certainly not in full pads. This "race" could go on for another week or two.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 3:39 PM

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badgermitt wrote: I don't think the reporting media has even seen a full day's practice, and certainly not in full pads. This "race" could go on for another week or two.
We've seen large chunks of the past two practices in full pads. Stave was better on Friday, and McEvoy appeared to have the better day this morning.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:17 PM

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Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!

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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:11 PM

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I disagree, I think they know exactly who they want to start.  McEvoy allows them to run the offense they want and that's why they brought him in.  Stave's perceived strength over McEvoy is his throwing ability and he's at best even with McEvoy on that front from everything I've read and seen so far.  I just don't see Stave getting the starting gig unless McEvoy falls apart from here on out.
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:15 AM

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The most important factors in QB play may nor be running or throwing, but reading D's, making the right calls, and good decisions.

Stave should, just based on experience, be way ahead of McEvoy on these dimensions right now. I just hope he has learned to slide before taking a hit.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:22 AM

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ncoliver wrote: The most important factors in QB play may nor be running or throwing, but reading D's, making the right calls, and good decisions.

Stave should, just based on experience, be way ahead of McEvoy on these dimensions right now. I just hope he has learned to slide before taking a hit.
Experience doesn't guaranatee you are better in those areas.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:44 AM

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TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:15 AM

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potrykus wrote:
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
Heck, they've only been in pads for two days.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:10 PM

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Operative word is "hoped,"  not "thought."

As I said, we've seen this movie before and it was a box office bomb.


UnknownBadger wrote:
potrykus wrote:
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
Heck, they've only been in pads for two days.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:19 PM

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Different season, different QBs at different stages in their development and knowledge of / comfort in the offense.

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Operative word is "hoped,"  not "thought."

As I said, we've seen this movie before and it was a box office bomb.


UnknownBadger wrote:
potrykus wrote:
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
Heck, they've only been in pads for two days.


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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:20 PM

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TheNewRed wrote: Operative word is "hoped,"  not "thought."

As I said, we've seen this movie before and it was a box office bomb.


UnknownBadger wrote:
potrykus wrote:
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
Heck, they've only been in pads for two days.
How about when Scott Tolzien got the starting job at the end of fall practice his junior year.  That certainly was a box office bomb.wink
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:05 PM

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QB: Joel Stave 9-17, 115 yds, 2 TDs. Tanner McEvoy 4-7, 40 yds, 2 TDs. McEvoy's last 2 passes were TDs, and he did some option. #Badgers

Quickly from #Badgers scrimmage: Stave/McEvoy solid. My view: Stave would start tomorrow and M would have run package.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:14 PM

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Bart Houston went 3-for-3 for 40 yards. DJ Gillins really struggled. 1 for 5, 4 yards w/ pick 6 by Lubern Figaro. Was sacked 4 times, too.

Interesting Stave threw more than twice as much as McEvoy today. Andersen said was just how the drives went. Stave's a better passer, IMO.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:20 PM

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GA gave a hint that he & the #Badgers think they could give both Stave & McEvoy playing time: "If we played a game today we would have …

Snaps were more even: I had Stave at 29, McEvoy with 25.

Andersen said there wasn't a pre-determined reason why Stave passed so much more than McEvoy. #Badgers

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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:29 PM

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We know about the battle for 1 and 2, but Looking at the battle for #3, who looked better BH or DG?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:34 PM

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VenturaBadger wrote: We know about the battle for 1 and 2, but Looking at the battle for #3, who looked better BH or DG?
DG has yet to do much of anything at all. Sacks and bad throws.Might end up at another position.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:38 PM

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rmh924 wrote: 
How about when Scott Tolzien got the starting job at the end of fall practice his junior year.  That certainly was a box office bomb.wink
For some reason, many people can't grasp that there's a huge difference between a competition between QBs before the season & during. The old conventional wisdom was that if you have 2 QBs, you had none. With packages, not to mention that IMO, there's just a higher level of professionalism among the athletes (not to mention guys transferring if they're not going to get PT) it's lot less true than it used to be. That said, there's certainly still some truth to a QB controversy being a distraction during the season. But there's nothing wrong with competition in camp & prior to the season.

Engage the good posters, ignore the bad, report as inappropriate the problems. Message board rules. Thanks.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:42 PM

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911sfan wrote: Might end up at another position.
Maybe eventually, but way too early to even think about that.  Can't expect every freshman QB to come in and adjust right away.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:44 PM

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Actually there has been practices already that DJ did quite well.  He is a true-freshman getting a grasp of the offense and D-1 football in general.  WAAYYYYYY to early try to even state we should be moving a QB to another position... let alone a true-frosh.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:49 PM

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TheNewRed wrote: Operative word is "hoped,"  not "thought."

As I said, we've seen this movie before and it was a box office bomb.


UnknownBadger wrote:
potrykus wrote:
TheNewRed wrote: Foolish me. I was hoping this would not be a race at all and that Mr. McEvoy would walk away with it in the Spring, certainly by the end of week 1 of Fall. It doesn't bode well for the team to have a protracted competition at QB without a clear winner. We've seen this movie and it continued to play out miserably for an entire season. Ludwig believes 3/4 of the competition will be based on the scrimmage because it is the closest they can come to a live game. Bully. I think that is code for they haven't got a clue and that we are in for more of what we saw last season regardless of which kid starts.  Not a positive development in any case!
Why did you think the battle would be over one week into camp, before the first scrimmage?
Heck, they've only been in pads for two days.
So you hoped for something that couldn't possibly happen. Got it.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:43 PM

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911sfan wrote:
VenturaBadger wrote: We know about the battle for 1 and 2, but Looking at the battle for #3, who looked better BH or DG?
DG has yet to do much of anything at all. Sacks and bad throws.Might end up at another position.
Bullshit.  Gillens has been the #3 guy so far from everything I've read.  Show me one knowledgeable person who has said anything similar to Gillens needing to end up at another position.  As it stands you're just full of ****.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:53 PM

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911sfan wrote:
VenturaBadger wrote: We know about the battle for 1 and 2, but Looking at the battle for #3, who looked better BH or DG?
DG has yet to do much of anything at all. Sacks and bad throws.Might end up at another position.
He is a true frosh, generally playing behind a line of freshmen and looking for inexperienced receivers to get open. 

From that combination of factors you conclude, on Aug. 10, the seventh day of camp, he is in line for a position switch?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:08 PM

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Dj is the QB of the future.

How anyone can watch him play and think position switch is beyond me. The dude had no protection today. he throws a tight ball. He has agility and runs fast.

Give him time to make his reads and work with the 1st team and he will be special.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 4:56 PM

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crazyatthecamp wrote: Dj is the QB of the future.

How anyone can watch him play and think position switch is beyond me. The dude had no protection today. he throws a tight ball. He has agility and runs fast.

Give him time to make his reads and work with the 1st team and he will be special.
At least until another freshman QB shows up on campus.
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