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Nose tackle - losing Gilbert may come back to haunt us

Posted: 8/7/2014 3:56 PM

Nose tackle - losing Gilbert may come back to haunt us 


As many of us thought, that was a big loss.  Major depth concern there.

"Right now, Warren (Herring) will probably have to play every snap. It's a big concern." - GA
 
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Posted: 8/7/2014 4:49 PM

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uwbadgers wrote: As many of us thought, that was a big loss.  Major depth concern there.

"Right now, Warren (Herring) will probably have to play every snap. It's a big concern." - GA
Ever heard of a coach trying to motivate his backups?

We have Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson (who is a monster in the making).  Take a deep breath.

 

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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:00 PM

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Ha ok. Didn't know GA was a coachspeaker like BB. Beat writers seem to think it's a problem. Check JP's and Temple's tweets if you don't believe me.

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uwbadgers wrote: As many of us thought, that was a big loss.  Major depth concern there.

"Right now, Warren (Herring) will probably have to play every snap. It's a big concern." - GA
Ever heard of a coach trying to motivate his backups?

We have Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson (who is a monster in the making).  Take a deep breath.

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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:35 PM

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Does anyone know why Gilbert left? Did he not like the 3-4? Still seems weird with a lot of playing time available.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:16 PM

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Bmoken wrote: Does anyone know why Gilbert left? Did he not like the 3-4? Still seems weird with a lot of playing time available.
I don't know . . . but he did graduate.  Maybe he had a good job offer?

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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:05 PM

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Bmoken wrote: Does anyone know why Gilbert left? Did he not like the 3-4? Still seems weird with a lot of playing time available.
+1
I dont know either.   Yes, a very strange move.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:16 PM

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When you recruit that position ineffectually for ten years, this is what you get.
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As many of us thought, that was a big loss.  Major depth concern there.

"Right now, Warren (Herring) will probably have to play every snap. It's a big concern." - GA

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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:00 AM

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Forget Beau Allen already?
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:29 AM

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You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
I let the dogs out
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Posted: 8/8/2014 3:13 AM

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jamesthegreek wrote: You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
All three can hold up physically. The current problem is technique and consistency, both of which you would expect from kids that haven't played a snap of college ball.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 6:43 AM

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uwbadgers wrote: Ha ok. Didn't know GA was a coachspeaker like BB. Beat writers seem to think it's a problem. Check JP's and Temple's tweets if you don't believe me.

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uwbadgers wrote: As many of us thought, that was a big loss.  Major depth concern there.

"Right now, Warren (Herring) will probably have to play every snap. It's a big concern." - GA
Ever heard of a coach trying to motivate his backups?

We have Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson (who is a monster in the making).  Take a deep breath.

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Don't think that's coachspeak at all. That's just straightforward talk. No BS to that.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 8:15 AM

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Sorry, Beau Allen was the exception. You can't expect to recruit one ready made body wise NT/DT e wry 5 years and expect to have the cupboard full.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:43 AM

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Well stated.


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jamesthegreek wrote: You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
All three can hold up physically. The current problem is technique and consistency, both of which you would expect from kids that haven't played a snap of college ball.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:16 AM

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I read they have floated the idea of moving Zagzebski and Keefer into the interior if they don't get the kind of performance they are looking for in Goldberg and the two frosh.
jamesthegreek wrote: You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:21 AM

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NewerBreed wrote: I read they have floated the idea of moving Zagzebski and Keefer into the interior if they don't get the kind of performance they are looking for in Goldberg and the two frosh.
jamesthegreek wrote: You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
Andersen brought that up. Says it's something he doesn't want to do.

But they'll do it if the current reserves can't handle their responsibilities.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:47 AM

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I was going to suggest trying an OL (preferably interior OL) that's buried.  Then I looked at roster heights/weights and we have mostly giants 6'4" and above on the OL, so not sure about NT for any of them.  Any defensive backgrounds for anyone like Logan Schmidt (6'4" 300), Aidan McNamara (6'4" 315) or Ben Hemer (6'4" 274)?
 
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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:42 AM

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This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:25 PM

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NewerBreed wrote: I read they have floated the idea of moving Zagzebski and Keefer into the interior if they don't get the kind of performance they are looking for in Goldberg and the two frosh.
jamesthegreek wrote: You would think that with the number of large bodies we have on the o-line that they could rotate someone in to spell Herring.  Pretty sure the whole objective of the NG in the 3-4 is to just eat up space.  Don't most of these guys play both ways in high school?
Micheal Dieter would do a very good job there if needed.

If Zags and Keefer have to play there, it's going to be a long season.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 1:15 AM

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-- On Thursday, Andersen seemed genuinely concerned about the depth at the nose guard spot behind senior Warren Herring, going as far as to say that if they had to play a game the next day, Herring would be playing almost every snap. Three days later and the coach appears much more comfortable at the position, and that has a lot of do with the jump in production from sophomore Arthur Goldberg, who did a great job shedding a block and dropping Austin Ramesh for no gain in the scrimmage.

 

“I’m proud of Goldberg. He has stepped it up and he’s had some good days,” Andersen said. “I like where that’s going.”

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:23 AM

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Brumus wrote: This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.

I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:06 AM

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His calling out his DTs/NGs was a motivational ploy. Seemed like he got the results he wanted. Guys, step back and look at the overall trends, not the day to day. Kinda like watching the stock market, the volatility on a day-to-day basis will drive you nuts. Read, absorb, evaluate at the end of the week or two weeks.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:09 AM

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The roster would look different in the 4-3. The switch to 3-4 is what has caused some of the depth issues. There are plenty of guys that could play a solid DT in the 4-3 that have been moved out to DE because of the 3-4. It'll take some time to fill that role. The fact is, in TWO classes we've brought in exactly ONE true NT prospect in Patterson. That is all on the current coaching staff. 
SuperBadger wrote:

Sorry, Beau Allen was the exception. You can't expect to recruit one ready made body wise NT/DT e wry 5 years and expect to have the cupboard full.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:25 AM

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Bacchus1 wrote: The roster would look different in the 4-3. The switch to 3-4 is what has caused some of the depth issues. There are plenty of guys that could play a solid DT in the 4-3 that have been moved out to DE because of the 3-4. It'll take some time to fill that role. The fact is, in TWO classes we've brought in exactly ONE true NT prospect in Patterson. That is all on the current coaching staff. 
SuperBadger wrote:

Sorry, Beau Allen was the exception. You can't expect to recruit one ready made body wise NT/DT e wry 5 years and expect to have the cupboard full.
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Forget Beau Allen already?

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Refresh my memory, Bacchus. Wasn't Andersen hired the tail end of December and most of his staff even later. With no more than a month to recruit, you can hardly lay the blame for the shape of the 2013 class on him.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:00 AM

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travrest wrote:
Brumus wrote: This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.

I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
We played both Cal Poly and Buffalo late in the campaign in successive years as I recall. One named Cal Poly nearly added insult to injury.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:09 AM

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travrest wrote:
Brumus wrote: This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.

I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
They dont'?  Monday night football, Sunday night football, Thursday night football, Thanksgiving day football, Thursday night openers, arranged "big name" openers, time changes late in the season when fans have already made travel plans?

TV money is what has allowed college football to gain the status it has reached.  Wisconsin is under no obligation to play LSU in the opener or at all for that matter but most fans are probably very excited that they chose to.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:19 AM

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D3Badger wrote:
travrest wrote:
Brumus wrote: This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.

I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
They dont'?  Monday night football, Sunday night football, Thursday night football, Thanksgiving day football, Thursday night openers, arranged "big name" openers, time changes late in the season when fans have already made travel plans?

TV money is what has allowed college football to gain the status it has reached.  Wisconsin is under no obligation to play LSU in the opener or at all for that matter but most fans are probably very excited that they chose to.
Beats the hell out of playing Podunk Hollow from a fan perspective AND that of the players..
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:21 AM

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Les Miles has an opposite take on this.  He thinks starting with a legit opponent leads the team to take offseason preparations, from right after the bowl game, through individual workouts, spring practice, and summer 7v7, etc. seriously.  When you open with 2 or 3 weak sisters it is hard for the guys to get motivated in the off season.  When you know you open with a team that will beat you if you don't show up at your best, it lends urgency to the entire off season of preparations.

This makes the 5th time in 6 years that LSU opens with a BCS opponent, and Miles seems to prefer it to building up slowly.
travrest wrote:
Brumus wrote: This is where opening with quality opponents like LSU is not good for college football teams.  It may be cool for (some)fans and for talking heads on TV and for the polls, etc. but college football is all about DEVELOPMENT.  It's about developing players, especially young players.  It's about developing as a team, developing the team's identity and character.  It's about the coaches finding out what they have(and what they don't!) and what they need to improve.  Then, during the conference season and into the conference championship and bowl games, the cream should rise to the top.  This is what happens in D-3, D-2, and the FCS.

Warren Herring is going to get a lot of snaps vs. LSU(and we all better hope he come comes thru it healthy!) and Gilbert could possibly have helped lessen his load.  Some may say that Goldberg, Sheehy, and Patterson will have to grow up vs. LSU but those people have never coached and don't realize just how different learning curves can be with young players.  Getting experience vs. lesser quality opponents and then building up through the "exhibition"(nonconference) part of the schedule can help with that.  But in the current era we find ourselves, TV rules.  I hope these young players can handle it.

I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 11:41 AM

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BAJJERFAN wrote:
travrest wrote:
I'll agree with you on this one. There should be a natural progression of opponents as regards to their strength. Start with a lesser team to get you going, like a MAC team. Then move to a more difficult opponent like a BYU. Then a good BCS team. Top off the non conference schedule with with an LSU, Alabama, Oregon, Florida, Stanford etc.

I also wish they would just let the conference games stay where they are now, and not move one to the beginning of the season. We did that years ago and no one liked it. Start with Michigan and then play Eastern Michigan seven games later?
We've even had a Wofford like team (can't remember which) for homecoming one year. two-thirds into the season. Talk about being greedy.

You don't see the Brewers opening the season at Miller Park in March and then flying down for spring training the next week.
You don't see the Packers and Bears kick off the season in early August, and then go to the pre-season.

This rush for TV money screws everything up, yet the pro sports don't seem to have to do it.
We played both Cal Poly and Buffalo late in the campaign in successive years as I recall. One named Cal Poly nearly added insult to injury.


The other thing - it kinda strikes me as being like crying about the weather. It's an early/first week game for the other team too. Everybody has questions early on, everybody is gets better as the year rolls on. Playing your first game against a team who's already played a game can tilt things. Playing a game later in the year against a team coming off an off weak or when you've had a couple of really physical games can tilt things. But playing another good team in week 1? Seems like a pretty level playing field to me.


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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:43 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote: The roster would look different in the 4-3. The switch to 3-4 is what has caused some of the depth issues. There are plenty of guys that could play a solid DT in the 4-3 that have been moved out to DE because of the 3-4. It'll take some time to fill that role. The fact is, in TWO classes we've brought in exactly ONE true NT prospect in Patterson. That is all on the current coaching staff. 
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Sorry, Beau Allen was the exception. You can't expect to recruit one ready made body wise NT/DT e wry 5 years and expect to have the cupboard full.
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Refresh my memory, Bacchus. Wasn't Andersen hired the tail end of December and most of his staff even later. With no more than a month to recruit, you can hardly lay the blame for the shape of the 2013 class on him.
Of course you can. He brought in recruits didn't he? I would say that he may have had his priorities wrong.

Again, the biggest issue is the move from 4-3 to 3-4. But getting just 1 real NT in 2 classes is clearly on this staff. Do you want to blame that on the last staff?  

BTW, I don't think it's a big deal. They'll adjust with the players they have and we'll probably see more 4-3 sets or hybrid sets to compensate.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:02 PM

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One month is hardly enough time to recruit any good candidate. The field is all picked over by then. You know that as well as I, Bacchus. If there was a failure it was totally on the previous staff. That one had a year plus to recruit.
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