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Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin

Posted: 8/6/2014 8:48 AM

Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 


This is just a comparison of talent at each position and other intangibles. Obviously the QB's aren't playing against each other at the same time, etc..., so this is just a talent comparison:

Qb - Stave had some nice numbers, but definitely isn't anything but an average Big 10 QB. He will have to win the job again this fall. Jennings had one impressive performance against Arkansas, and one weak one against Iowa. Brandon Harris will also get a look this fall camp. I expect both to get some playing time against Wisconsin. Advantage: Push

RB - Melvin Gordon is a very nice running back. He averaged 7.8 ypc last season. He will be the bell cow for Wisconsin. LSU will come into the game with a three headed attack. Terrance Magee averaged 7.3 ypc last season and was an unheralded beast. Kenny Hillaird hasn't recaptured his freshman success, but is getting rave reviews. Don't forget the supposed best college rb since Adrian Peterson in Leonard Fournette. Slight advantage Wisconsin 

WR - Wisconsin has a glaring weakness at wr with no gamebreakers. LSU has some major youth but some major talent. Travin Dural stepped up when he needed to last season. Dupree and Quinn are 2 of the top 3 wr recruits from last year. Diarse, Avery Peterson (Patrick's little brother) and Kevin Spears are also threats. Major Advantage LSU

O-Line - Wisconsin returns an experienced group of guys with Havenstein and Marz at the tackle spots. LSU returns 4 of 5 starters including future first rounder La'ell Collins. Advantage LSU

D-Line - Graduations crushed the Wisky d-line. They have some nice pieces with most notably Herring, but this is a weak group. LSU is strong at DE and inexperienced at DT. Hunter is a monster and will live in the backfield. Major Advantage LSU

LB - Wisky also lost a bunch at LB. They are moving around guys a good bit. Landisch and Trotter have some experience but haven't proven a lot. LSU will rotate about 6-7 guys at LB. Welter is experienced and sets the defense up. Alexander is the stud and future all SEC player. Jones is the speedster. Beckwith and Garrett are extremely talented and will both see time. Feist is steady. Advantage LSU

Secondary - LSU has one of the best corner tandems in the country. At safety LSU has tons of talent. If Mills plays, he is another future first rounder. Thompson and Jefferson will get some pt at the other safety spot. Shelton and Hillary are two solid cornerbacks. Caputo is a little slow for safety, but has a nice nose for the ball. Advantage LSU

Special Teams - LSU returns their kicker and punter from last season. Beckham will have to be replaced returning kicks. Russell is a decent kicker, but is a little inconsistent. Meyer is a middle of the road punter who doesn't have great hang time. Slight advantage LSU

Coaching - Andersen had a 9-4 season last year and had a 26-24 record at Utah St. Miles has 1 bcs championship in 2 appearances, 2 sec championships in 3 appearances, and 5 top 10 finishes in 9 seasons at LSU. Major Advantage LSU

Intangibles - The game is in Houston where LSU will definitely have the crowd advantage. We have a huge alumni base in that area and it's a 4 hour drive from Baton Rouge. Miles has dominated these neutral site opening games. Major Advantage LSU

Posted: 8/6/2014 8:50 AM

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A comparison while wearing LSU blinders...

Posted: 8/6/2014 8:59 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



Ph3431 wrote: A comparison while wearing LSU blinders...
What do you disagree with?

Posted: 8/6/2014 9:02 AM

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Some glaring misses without even spending more than a minute analyzing:
Might wanna read up on Corey Clement
O-Line is at best a wash from the LSU perspective
UW has a better kicker than Russell now
Nothing about Tight Ends?  I'm sure UW has a decisive advantage there, which will aid in the passing game
 

Last edited 8/6/2014 9:05 AM by uwbadgers

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Posted: 8/6/2014 9:02 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



bayoulsucajun wrote:
Ph3431 wrote: A comparison while wearing LSU blinders...
What do you disagree with?
Every life decision you've ever made.

Posted: 8/6/2014 9:04 AM

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Okay, so Wisconsin had the top RB tandem last year in the history of college football (yardage-wise), and Wisconsin returns its top RB from that tandem as well as 4 of 5 offensive linemen, and Wisconsin only has a slight edge at RB and LSU has the advantage at OL? Dumb.

Posted: 8/6/2014 9:05 AM

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That your comparison is objective.

Gordon, a Heisman candidate coming off a 1600+ yard season is 'nice'...while Magee and his 626 yards is a 'beast?'

Your analysis is completed slanted towards LSU, which is understandable as you're an LSU fan and know far more about their team/program than you do UW.

But this is not an objective comparison. At best, you have surface knowledge of UW's team.
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Ph3431 wrote: A comparison while wearing LSU blinders...
What do you disagree with?

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Last edited 8/6/2014 9:05 AM by Ph3431

Posted: 8/6/2014 9:20 AM

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What would it take to have a better OL plus RB combo than LSU? I mean, we return four starters from an OL that blocked for the most productive running back duo in NCAA history. One of those backs, who is returning, has the most YPC in NCAA History and almost everyone agrees would have been the #1 back off the board last draft. But somehow, LSU's O-Line is better while our RBs are only "slightly better."

And yesterday, we learned that LSU is clearly better than 2013 South Carolina (the team that finished #4 last year).

If Wisconsin loses by 10, do you LSU fans think we should rise in the rankings for not getting crushed by the greatest team ever? It sure seems like it.

Posted: 8/6/2014 9:46 AM

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WOW!!!  I did not realize that LSU is so great and Wisconsin is so bad.  LSU has major advantages in so many areas. Our OL likes like it will be completely overmatched!!!  Thanks for the insight!!  I'm pretty sure that it would no longer even make sense for me to waste my time watching the game.  banghead


Posted: 8/6/2014 9:51 AM

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You got the OL and QB wrong. Stave, if he starts, has a lot more big game experience than your guy does. The idea that LSU's O-line is better than Wisconsin's is comical.

I'll give you the defensive side of the ball and special teams (except our punter is pretty good). I actually think UW's corners might be much better than last year's though.

Coaching? I'll give Miles a slight advantage because he's done it on the big stage. Andersen still has to prove stuff to me after last season's late problems on defense.

I find it hilarious that you grudgingly gave the RB advantage to UW after faintly praising Gordon and then claiming your freshman is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. You got that correct, but only because you probably realize how dumb it is to downplay arguably the best RB in college football. Plus, Wisconsin has an outstanding #2 running back in Corey Clement who will be a star in his own right next year.

This game hinges on how well Wisconsin's passing game does, and how well its defense can stop the run. I think it will do better than people think on the former, and will struggle on the latter with the loss of Beau Allen at NT.
bayoulsucajun wrote: This is just a comparison of talent at each position and other intangibles. Obviously the QB's aren't playing against each other at the same time, etc..., so this is just a talent comparison:

Qb - Stave had some nice numbers, but definitely isn't anything but an average Big 10 QB. He will have to win the job again this fall. Jennings had one impressive performance against Arkansas, and one weak one against Iowa. Brandon Harris will also get a look this fall camp. I expect both to get some playing time against Wisconsin. Advantage: Push

RB - Melvin Gordon is a very nice running back. He averaged 7.8 ypc last season. He will be the bell cow for Wisconsin. LSU will come into the game with a three headed attack. Terrance Magee averaged 7.3 ypc last season and was an unheralded beast. Kenny Hillaird hasn't recaptured his freshman success, but is getting rave reviews. Don't forget the supposed best college rb since Adrian Peterson in Leonard Fournette. Slight advantage Wisconsin 

WR - Wisconsin has a glaring weakness at wr with no gamebreakers. LSU has some major youth but some major talent. Travin Dural stepped up when he needed to last season. Dupree and Quinn are 2 of the top 3 wr recruits from last year. Diarse, Avery Peterson (Patrick's little brother) and Kevin Spears are also threats. Major Advantage LSU

O-Line - Wisconsin returns an experienced group of guys with Havenstein and Marz at the tackle spots. LSU returns 4 of 5 starters including future first rounder La'ell Collins. Advantage LSU

D-Line - Graduations crushed the Wisky d-line. They have some nice pieces with most notably Herring, but this is a weak group. LSU is strong at DE and inexperienced at DT. Hunter is a monster and will live in the backfield. Major Advantage LSU

LB - Wisky also lost a bunch at LB. They are moving around guys a good bit. Landisch and Trotter have some experience but haven't proven a lot. LSU will rotate about 6-7 guys at LB. Welter is experienced and sets the defense up. Alexander is the stud and future all SEC player. Jones is the speedster. Beckwith and Garrett are extremely talented and will both see time. Feist is steady. Advantage LSU

Secondary - LSU has one of the best corner tandems in the country. At safety LSU has tons of talent. If Mills plays, he is another future first rounder. Thompson and Jefferson will get some pt at the other safety spot. Shelton and Hillary are two solid cornerbacks. Caputo is a little slow for safety, but has a nice nose for the ball. Advantage LSU

Special Teams - LSU returns their kicker and punter from last season. Beckham will have to be replaced returning kicks. Russell is a decent kicker, but is a little inconsistent. Meyer is a middle of the road punter who doesn't have great hang time. Slight advantage LSU

Coaching - Andersen had a 9-4 season last year and had a 26-24 record at Utah St. Miles has 1 bcs championship in 2 appearances, 2 sec championships in 3 appearances, and 5 top 10 finishes in 9 seasons at LSU. Major Advantage LSU

Intangibles - The game is in Houston where LSU will definitely have the crowd advantage. We have a huge alumni base in that area and it's a 4 hour drive from Baton Rouge. Miles has dominated these neutral site opening games. Major Advantage LSU

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:05 AM

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bayoulsucajun wrote:
Ph3431 wrote: A comparison while wearing LSU blinders...
What do you disagree with?
I'll play.

Lets start with the O-Line, RB situation.  Wisconsin was ranked 8th in the year in rushing last year while you guys were ranking 30th.  Both teams lost little from last years team.  Gordon is a Heisman candidate and most agree he is on of the top 2 backs in the country....MAJOR ADVANTAGE WISCONSIN.

Receivers - both teams are questionable.  LSU loses their top 3 receivers while Wisconsin loses there top receiver.  LSU's returning leading receiver has 7 catches.  Both teams bring in talent....EVEN (UNKNOWN)

D-Line -LSU was ranked 35th in the nation against the run last year and has questions at the DT position which spells trouble against an experienced Wisconsin OL.  Wisconsin lost a ton but the new starters have the abilities that better match the new coaching philosophy....EVEN (UNKNOWN).

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:13 AM

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bayoulsucajun wrote: This is just a comparison of talent at each position and other intangibles. Obviously the QB's aren't playing against each other at the same time, etc..., so this is just a talent comparison:

Qb - Stave had some nice numbers, but definitely isn't anything but an average Big 10 QB. He will have to win the job again this fall. Jennings had one impressive performance against Arkansas, and one weak one against Iowa. Brandon Harris will also get a look this fall camp. I expect both to get some playing time against Wisconsin. Advantage: Push

RB - Melvin Gordon is a very nice running back. He averaged 7.8 ypc last season. He will be the bell cow for Wisconsin. LSU will come into the game with a three headed attack. Terrance Magee averaged 7.3 ypc last season and was an unheralded beast. Kenny Hillaird hasn't recaptured his freshman success, but is getting rave reviews. Don't forget the supposed best college rb since Adrian Peterson in Leonard Fournette. Slight advantage Wisconsin 

WR - Wisconsin has a glaring weakness at wr with no gamebreakers. LSU has some major youth but some major talent. Travin Dural stepped up when he needed to last season. Dupree and Quinn are 2 of the top 3 wr recruits from last year. Diarse, Avery Peterson (Patrick's little brother) and Kevin Spears are also threats. Major Advantage LSU

O-Line - Wisconsin returns an experienced group of guys with Havenstein and Marz at the tackle spots. LSU returns 4 of 5 starters including future first rounder La'ell Collins. Advantage LSU

D-Line - Graduations crushed the Wisky d-line. They have some nice pieces with most notably Herring, but this is a weak group. LSU is strong at DE and inexperienced at DT. Hunter is a monster and will live in the backfield. Major Advantage LSU

LB - Wisky also lost a bunch at LB. They are moving around guys a good bit. Landisch and Trotter have some experience but haven't proven a lot. LSU will rotate about 6-7 guys at LB. Welter is experienced and sets the defense up. Alexander is the stud and future all SEC player. Jones is the speedster. Beckwith and Garrett are extremely talented and will both see time. Feist is steady. Advantage LSU

Secondary - LSU has one of the best corner tandems in the country. At safety LSU has tons of talent. If Mills plays, he is another future first rounder. Thompson and Jefferson will get some pt at the other safety spot. Shelton and Hillary are two solid cornerbacks. Caputo is a little slow for safety, but has a nice nose for the ball. Advantage LSU

Special Teams - LSU returns their kicker and punter from last season. Beckham will have to be replaced returning kicks. Russell is a decent kicker, but is a little inconsistent. Meyer is a middle of the road punter who doesn't have great hang time. Slight advantage LSU

Coaching - Andersen had a 9-4 season last year and had a 26-24 record at Utah St. Miles has 1 bcs championship in 2 appearances, 2 sec championships in 3 appearances, and 5 top 10 finishes in 9 seasons at LSU. Major Advantage LSU

Intangibles - The game is in Houston where LSU will definitely have the crowd advantage. We have a huge alumni base in that area and it's a 4 hour drive from Baton Rouge. Miles has dominated these neutral site opening games. Major Advantage LSU

1.) You forgot to mention Corey Clement (547 yards, 8.2 YPC, 7 TDs).  That's convenient.  Your "three-headed attack" may not even be as good as our "two-headed attack."  Wisconsin has been excellent at having RBs produce.  Some around here would argue the duo of Gordon-Clement are the two most physically-gifted backs Wisconsin may have ever had.

2.) I agree that LSU has an advantage at WR.  Talented youth.  Though I'm not sold on Harris or Jennings through the air.  The only time these DBs were burned was with a talented passer behind center.  Neither Harris nor Jennings have shown to be elite in that category.  Talent may prevail in WR v. WR for each team, but I'm not convinced that equals production on the side of LSU.

3.) Offensive line should be a push.  Both teams will rely heavily on the run and Wisconsin returns four starters from an offensive line that helped propel Wisconsin to No. 8 nationally in rushing offense with rushing averages over 6.5 YPC.  LSU finished No. 29 nationally in rushing offense with averages of just over 5.0 YPC.

4.)  I won't disagree with anything on defense or the coaching staff, but it is quite evident you know nothing about Gary Andersen.  Utah State was a bad program prior to Gary Andersen.  Under his direction, they reached two bowl games in four seasons.  Before that, they hadn't even reached a bowl for over a decade.  They hadn't won more than three games between 2003 and 2008.  By year three (2011) under Andersen's direction, they had a winning record.  By year four, they won 11 games.  The guy is a damn good coach.

EDIT:  I think it is worth noting that five of the projected front seven starters do have starting experience, albeit not an abundance.  It isn't like they're being thrown into the fire, though.

Last edited 8/6/2014 10:15 AM by hoopsgalore

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:14 AM

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I really enjoy it when someone appears here to offer a thoughtful, objective discussion of their team versus Wisconsin, strengths and weaknesses, in front of an upcoming game. Perhaps such a person will yet appear from LSU.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:16 AM

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George2k5 wrote: You got the OL and QB wrong. Stave, if he starts, has a lot more big game experience than your guy does. The idea that LSU's O-line is better than Wisconsin's is comical.

I'll give you the defensive side of the ball and special teams (except our punter is pretty good). I actually think UW's corners might be much better than last year's though.

Coaching? I'll give Miles a slight advantage because he's done it on the big stage. Andersen still has to prove stuff to me after last season's late problems on defense.

I find it hilarious that you grudgingly gave the RB advantage to UW after faintly praising Gordon and then claiming your freshman is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. You got that correct, but only because you probably realize how dumb it is to downplay arguably the best RB in college football. Plus, Wisconsin has an outstanding #2 running back in Corey Clement who will be a star in his own right next year.

This game hinges on how well Wisconsin's passing game does, and how well its defense can stop the run. I think it will do better than people think on the former, and will struggle on the latter with the loss of Beau Allen at NT.
bayoulsucajun wrote: This is just a comparison of talent at each position and other intangibles. Obviously the QB's aren't playing against each other at the same time, etc..., so this is just a talent comparison:

Qb - Stave had some nice numbers, but definitely isn't anything but an average Big 10 QB. He will have to win the job again this fall. Jennings had one impressive performance against Arkansas, and one weak one against Iowa. Brandon Harris will also get a look this fall camp. I expect both to get some playing time against Wisconsin. Advantage: Push

RB - Melvin Gordon is a very nice running back. He averaged 7.8 ypc last season. He will be the bell cow for Wisconsin. LSU will come into the game with a three headed attack. Terrance Magee averaged 7.3 ypc last season and was an unheralded beast. Kenny Hillaird hasn't recaptured his freshman success, but is getting rave reviews. Don't forget the supposed best college rb since Adrian Peterson in Leonard Fournette. Slight advantage Wisconsin 

WR - Wisconsin has a glaring weakness at wr with no gamebreakers. LSU has some major youth but some major talent. Travin Dural stepped up when he needed to last season. Dupree and Quinn are 2 of the top 3 wr recruits from last year. Diarse, Avery Peterson (Patrick's little brother) and Kevin Spears are also threats. Major Advantage LSU

O-Line - Wisconsin returns an experienced group of guys with Havenstein and Marz at the tackle spots. LSU returns 4 of 5 starters including future first rounder La'ell Collins. Advantage LSU

D-Line - Graduations crushed the Wisky d-line. They have some nice pieces with most notably Herring, but this is a weak group. LSU is strong at DE and inexperienced at DT. Hunter is a monster and will live in the backfield. Major Advantage LSU

LB - Wisky also lost a bunch at LB. They are moving around guys a good bit. Landisch and Trotter have some experience but haven't proven a lot. LSU will rotate about 6-7 guys at LB. Welter is experienced and sets the defense up. Alexander is the stud and future all SEC player. Jones is the speedster. Beckwith and Garrett are extremely talented and will both see time. Feist is steady. Advantage LSU

Secondary - LSU has one of the best corner tandems in the country. At safety LSU has tons of talent. If Mills plays, he is another future first rounder. Thompson and Jefferson will get some pt at the other safety spot. Shelton and Hillary are two solid cornerbacks. Caputo is a little slow for safety, but has a nice nose for the ball. Advantage LSU

Special Teams - LSU returns their kicker and punter from last season. Beckham will have to be replaced returning kicks. Russell is a decent kicker, but is a little inconsistent. Meyer is a middle of the road punter who doesn't have great hang time. Slight advantage LSU

Coaching - Andersen had a 9-4 season last year and had a 26-24 record at Utah St. Miles has 1 bcs championship in 2 appearances, 2 sec championships in 3 appearances, and 5 top 10 finishes in 9 seasons at LSU. Major Advantage LSU

Intangibles - The game is in Houston where LSU will definitely have the crowd advantage. We have a huge alumni base in that area and it's a 4 hour drive from Baton Rouge. Miles has dominated these neutral site opening games. Major Advantage LSU
Stave may lose his job after starting all season. Jennings and Harris both are more talented than Stave. They are both dual threat guys, and Jennings has led a comeback game winning drive already. Harris worked with the qb guru in California this off-season and many project him as a freshman all american. If Stave is about to get beat out by a 3 star Juco guy, you think Harris and Jennings wouldn't be giving him a run of his money? 

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

Giving Miles a slight advantage is comical. The guy's record and pedigree are matched by few in college football. Andersen hasn't proven anything yet and the jury is still out.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:23 AM

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bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:25 AM

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bayoulsucajun wrote:
If Stave is about to get beat out by a 3 star Juco guy, you think Harris and Jennings wouldn't be giving him a run of his money? 
A three-star "JUCO guy" that had offers from Texas, Florida, Oregon, Wisconsin, and West Virginia.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:26 AM

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bayoulsucajun wrote:

Giving Miles a slight advantage is comical. The guy's record and pedigree are matched by few in college football. Andersen hasn't proven anything yet and the jury is still out.
I agree.  Miles has a strong advantage in this category.  He's a proven winner on the biggest stage.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:26 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf78Tme_EOo

It appears you guys don't know anything about Terrence Magee. Here are some of his highlights. You guys are definitely underestimating him. He started last year 4th on the depth chart and finished up 2nd behind Hill. He averaged 7.3 ypc which sounds very close to all world rb, Melvin Gordon. 

Also, here is Kenny Hilliard who started for LSU in the SEC Championship and BCS Championship games in 2011. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3HyFaWK-s

There is a reason college spun named LSU "Running Back U"

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:34 AM

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hoopsgalore wrote:
bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.
Yes, Wisconsin had more rushing yards per game than LSU last season. Mainly because LSU actually had a passing game last season.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:39 AM

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Then why was UW's yards per rush 6.62 vs. LSU only averaging 5.03 if everyone knew they were going to run the ball the majority of the time?
bayoulsucajun wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.
Yes, Wisconsin had more rushing yards per game than LSU last season. Mainly because LSU actually had a passing game last season.
 

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:45 AM

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uwbadgers wrote: Then why was UW's yards per rush 6.62 vs. LSU only averaging 5.03 if everyone knew they were going to run the ball the majority of the time?
bayoulsucajun wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.
Yes, Wisconsin had more rushing yards per game than LSU last season. Mainly because LSU actually had a passing game last season.
Competition had something to do with that.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:46 AM

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Uh, common opponent Iowa: UW 4.8, LSU 4.3
bayoulsucajun wrote:
uwbadgers wrote: Then why was UW's yards per rush 6.62 vs. LSU only averaging 5.03 if everyone knew they were going to run the ball the majority of the time?
bayoulsucajun wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.
Yes, Wisconsin had more rushing yards per game than LSU last season. Mainly because LSU actually had a passing game last season.
Competition had something to do with that.
 
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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:51 AM

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bayoulsucajun:   I'm a long time(like back to the '59 Rose Bowl long) bangheadbanghead"Wisky"bangheadbanghead fan that thinks "lousy state" will win the game.  Your analyses are mostly accurate.  The only points I'd add are Corey Clement might, in the long run, be the best RB on the field and Wisconsin has a very good Y-type of TE and some promising young talent at H-type TEs.

Go WISCONSIN!!!!

BTW  Up here in Wisconsin, we LOVE an LSU grad named Jimmy Taylor who was part of Lombardi's best Green Bay Packer World Championship teams and the best fullback to ever play in the NFL!!!

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:12 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



bayoulsucajun wrote:
George2k5 wrote: You got the OL and QB wrong. Stave, if he starts, has a lot more big game experience than your guy does. The idea that LSU's O-line is better than Wisconsin's is comical.

I'll give you the defensive side of the ball and special teams (except our punter is pretty good). I actually think UW's corners might be much better than last year's though.

Coaching? I'll give Miles a slight advantage because he's done it on the big stage. Andersen still has to prove stuff to me after last season's late problems on defense.

I find it hilarious that you grudgingly gave the RB advantage to UW after faintly praising Gordon and then claiming your freshman is the second coming of Adrian Peterson. You got that correct, but only because you probably realize how dumb it is to downplay arguably the best RB in college football. Plus, Wisconsin has an outstanding #2 running back in Corey Clement who will be a star in his own right next year.

This game hinges on how well Wisconsin's passing game does, and how well its defense can stop the run. I think it will do better than people think on the former, and will struggle on the latter with the loss of Beau Allen at NT.
bayoulsucajun wrote: This is just a comparison of talent at each position and other intangibles. Obviously the QB's aren't playing against each other at the same time, etc..., so this is just a talent comparison:

Qb - Stave had some nice numbers, but definitely isn't anything but an average Big 10 QB. He will have to win the job again this fall. Jennings had one impressive performance against Arkansas, and one weak one against Iowa. Brandon Harris will also get a look this fall camp. I expect both to get some playing time against Wisconsin. Advantage: Push

RB - Melvin Gordon is a very nice running back. He averaged 7.8 ypc last season. He will be the bell cow for Wisconsin. LSU will come into the game with a three headed attack. Terrance Magee averaged 7.3 ypc last season and was an unheralded beast. Kenny Hillaird hasn't recaptured his freshman success, but is getting rave reviews. Don't forget the supposed best college rb since Adrian Peterson in Leonard Fournette. Slight advantage Wisconsin 

WR - Wisconsin has a glaring weakness at wr with no gamebreakers. LSU has some major youth but some major talent. Travin Dural stepped up when he needed to last season. Dupree and Quinn are 2 of the top 3 wr recruits from last year. Diarse, Avery Peterson (Patrick's little brother) and Kevin Spears are also threats. Major Advantage LSU

O-Line - Wisconsin returns an experienced group of guys with Havenstein and Marz at the tackle spots. LSU returns 4 of 5 starters including future first rounder La'ell Collins. Advantage LSU

D-Line - Graduations crushed the Wisky d-line. They have some nice pieces with most notably Herring, but this is a weak group. LSU is strong at DE and inexperienced at DT. Hunter is a monster and will live in the backfield. Major Advantage LSU

LB - Wisky also lost a bunch at LB. They are moving around guys a good bit. Landisch and Trotter have some experience but haven't proven a lot. LSU will rotate about 6-7 guys at LB. Welter is experienced and sets the defense up. Alexander is the stud and future all SEC player. Jones is the speedster. Beckwith and Garrett are extremely talented and will both see time. Feist is steady. Advantage LSU

Secondary - LSU has one of the best corner tandems in the country. At safety LSU has tons of talent. If Mills plays, he is another future first rounder. Thompson and Jefferson will get some pt at the other safety spot. Shelton and Hillary are two solid cornerbacks. Caputo is a little slow for safety, but has a nice nose for the ball. Advantage LSU

Special Teams - LSU returns their kicker and punter from last season. Beckham will have to be replaced returning kicks. Russell is a decent kicker, but is a little inconsistent. Meyer is a middle of the road punter who doesn't have great hang time. Slight advantage LSU

Coaching - Andersen had a 9-4 season last year and had a 26-24 record at Utah St. Miles has 1 bcs championship in 2 appearances, 2 sec championships in 3 appearances, and 5 top 10 finishes in 9 seasons at LSU. Major Advantage LSU

Intangibles - The game is in Houston where LSU will definitely have the crowd advantage. We have a huge alumni base in that area and it's a 4 hour drive from Baton Rouge. Miles has dominated these neutral site opening games. Major Advantage LSU
Stave may lose his job after starting all season. Jennings and Harris both are more talented than Stave. They are both dual threat guys, and Jennings has led a comeback game winning drive already. Harris worked with the qb guru in California this off-season and many project him as a freshman all american. If Stave is about to get beat out by a 3 star Juco guy, you think Harris and Jennings wouldn't be giving him a run of his money? 

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

Giving Miles a slight advantage is comical. The guy's record and pedigree are matched by few in college football. Andersen hasn't proven anything yet and the jury is still out.
Analysts no longer say that about Wisconsin's lines. They are always great. Would you like us to provide you with a list of linemen who were drafted, drafted in the first 3 rounds, made all-pro? Pocic probably went south because Wisconsin didn't think he was good enough.  wink

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:15 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 


Bayou,

You do realize that LSU passed 38% of the time and Wisconsin passed 39% of the time, right?

Last edited 8/6/2014 11:15 AM by hoopsgalore

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:17 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 


Why does this jerk remind me of that TCU, db? They live in the same trailor park?

Last edited 8/6/2014 11:19 AM by UnknownBadger

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:17 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



bayoulsucajun wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
bayoulsucajun wrote:

You apparently haven't read about LSU's O-line. Some analysts are saying that it is Miles best O-line at LSU. Collins will be a first rounder. Vadal Alexander is an All SEC player. Hawkins anchors the right side tackle spot. Porter is a multiple year starter at C. The RG spot will be between Evan Washington, Ethan Pocic and Hoko Faniaka, who all have solid experience. 

None of this means it is a better offensive line than Wisconsin.  It just means it's Miles' best offensive line since being at LSU.  

As I said in my previous post, if you have read it yet, both teams will rely heavily on the run.  Both teams return four starters along the offensive front.  Both teams were successful on the ground.  Wisconsin was statistically better, ranking No. 8 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of over 6.5 YPC.  LSU, on the other hand, ranked No. 29 nationally in rush offense with the offensive line helping propel RBs to an average of just over 5.0 YPC.
Yes, Wisconsin had more rushing yards per game than LSU last season. Mainly because LSU actually had a passing game last season.
LSU was statistically better through the air, but LSU passed 38% of the time and Wisconsin passed 39% of the time.  Wisconsin had more rushing yards because they are simply a better running team.  Both teams will again rely heavily on the run and Wisconsin is better at it.

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:19 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 


You should look at their passing stats on that Iowa game.  UW never had that poor of a passing game all year.
hoopsgalore wrote: Bayou,

You do realize that LSU passed 38% of the time and Wisconsin passed 39% of the time, right?
 

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:20 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



bayoulsucajun wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf78Tme_EOo

It appears you guys don't know anything about Terrence Magee. Here are some of his highlights. You guys are definitely underestimating him. He started last year 4th on the depth chart and finished up 2nd behind Hill. He averaged 7.3 ypc which sounds very close to all world rb, Melvin Gordon. 

Also, here is Kenny Hilliard who started for LSU in the SEC Championship and BCS Championship games in 2011. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3HyFaWK-s

There is a reason college spun named LSU "Running Back U"
On just 86 carries.  Melvin Gordon averaged close to eight yards per carry with over 200 carries.  In limited time, like Magee, as a freshman, Gordon averaged 10 yards per carry behind James White (Patriots) and Montee Ball (Broncos).

Also, weren't you one that criticized College Spun for having A&M so high in tailgating?  LOL.  You can't criticize a source and then go back and use it to prove another point.

Posted: 8/6/2014 11:22 AM

Re: Position Comparison - LSU versus Wisconsin 



bayoulsucajun wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf78Tme_EOo

It appears you guys don't know anything about Terrence Magee. Here are some of his highlights. You guys are definitely underestimating him. He started last year 4th on the depth chart and finished up 2nd behind Hill. He averaged 7.3 ypc which sounds very close to all world rb, Melvin Gordon. That sounds cynical.  Gordon is a proven guy period. No one here said "All World" but you know as well as we do that he is extremely talented and word was he would have been the first RB taken in the draft last year. Also have Cory Clement who was a big time Freshman last year for us and would have started for maybe 90% of college teams IMO. Your Adrian Peterson clone could very well be a great back but he has not played a down yet in college. He could also be a bust. We had a guy (Clay) who was highly rated and had an above average career but no where near what was expected. - Big Advantage UW

Also, here is Kenny Hilliard who started for LSU in the SEC Championship and BCS Championship games in 2011. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl3HyFaWK-s

There is a reason college spun named LSU "Running Back U"
QB - IF Stave gets beat out its not because he got worse but McEvoy improved greatly. He does more of what the coaches want and is a good enough athlete that without a broken hand he would have started at WR and also started at safety for us. Stave has big game experience and although not a top tier college QB, neither are LSU's guys. Slight advantage UW

WR - Also, I find it funny that you lose your top 3 receivers and we lose 1 but your unproven young guys are WAYYYY better then ours. How the hell do you know that? A few of our tight ends are proven guys and will help the passing game. Doesn't mean your guys couldn't have a big day or ours either for that fact. With tight ends, slight advantage UW, without, slight advantage LSU

Coach... huge advantage for LSU. I'll totally give you that but Anderson might be a great one down the road and neither of them will play a down in this game.

DL - ? I think your on crack here. Clowney didn't "live" in Wisconsin's backfield but your DE will? I know, your unproven guys are better then ours. We do have much more speed then last years team and with the style of defense UW will now play, I and others feel this unit will actually be better then last year. Not as stout up the middle but faster to the sideline for sure. Advantage LSU

OLWisconsin's line will have 5 guys who have started multiple games in their career and possibly all 5 will be drafted some day. - Push or verrry slight for UW

LB - Advantage LSU but not much I think. We have more speed off the edge then last year and Biegel looked to be coming into his own last year after being banged up early. We will be a lot faster here.
DB - advantage for LSU. UW also has 2 good young corners but not as good as LSU
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