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BART HOUSTON

Posted: 8/5/2014 2:35 PM

BART HOUSTON 


WHAT IS HIS STATUS? IT APPEARS THAT HE WILL BE THE 3RD 0R 4TH QB. HE CAME TO WISCONSIN AS HIGHLY REGARDED QB AND APPEARS TO BE HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. IS THERE A GOOD CHANCE THIAT HE WILL BE LEAVING THE PROGRAM AND TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER  SCHOOL SOON?
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Posted: 8/5/2014 2:39 PM

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BART HOUSTON WILL NOT BE A STARTING QUARTERBACK AT UW AND WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRING, EITHER.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 2:42 PM

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Your caps lock is on.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 2:44 PM

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zahn1225 wrote: IT APPEARS THAT HE WILL BE THE 3RD 0R 4TH QB. HE CAME TO WISCONSIN AS HIGHLY REGARDED QB
That was exaggerated at the time.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 2:52 PM

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Maybe the UW coaches are just letting everyone focus on McEvoy and Stave, and then - BAM! - out trots Houston. 

[noidea  What?! It could happen.  cool]
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Posted: 8/5/2014 3:09 PM

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Houston does not appear to be in any QB rotation now or in the future.  He has spoken and recognizes that but states he will continue to try and improve to earn his chance.  He has stated he loves the school and academics are a priority so he says he does not want to transfer.  I would think that may change if he graduates and still has a year of eligibility left and can go anywhere but no clue where he sits in his academic progression.  Seems like a great kid with his head on straight.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 4:09 PM

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If UW had better wide receivers Bart Houston may have looked better. Dave Aranda said he can really "spin it". Brett Favre would look bad with our receivers
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Posted: 8/5/2014 5:28 PM

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Has he been crunched in the middle of a coaching change?  Or is it obvious?
Ecclesiastes 10:2

"It's easier to fool people, than it is to convince them they've been fooled."   Mark Twain
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Posted: 8/5/2014 5:30 PM

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He wouldn't be the starter if there were no coaching change.  The offense isn't much different (yet) from what we had been running and Stave was starting last year.

The fact of the matter is that I've never heard anyone who has watched a practice come away saying he makes good throws.  That's like a running back who fumbles a lot - not a recipe for getting on the field.

Last edited 8/5/2014 5:32 PM by Kilgore309

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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:38 PM

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+1

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Posted: 8/5/2014 9:48 PM

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I've heard he does indeed spin it well and has the strongest arm on the team according to practice reports.  He isn't mobile and thus is not what the current staff is looking for in a QB.  This reason alone is why he isn't in the QB competition.  The staff is hoping and praying any of the mobile QBs step up and take over for Stave.
Kilgore309 wrote: He wouldn't be the starter if there were no coaching change.  The offense isn't much different (yet) from what we had been running and Stave was starting last year.

The fact of the matter is that I've never heard anyone who has watched a practice come away saying he makes good throws.  That's like a running back who fumbles a lot - not a recipe for getting on the field.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 6:27 AM

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From the other "Is Bart Houston Getting Enough Reps" thread, it was stated that he switched from Chemical engineering major to Kinesiology.

Bart Houston was in 2012 recruiting class.
I think he enrolled in the Fall of 2012.
Shoulder surgery, redshirt first year.

2012-2013 AcademicYear1 Redshirt
2013-2014 AcademicYear2 RS_FR
2014-2015 AcademicYear3 RS_SO
2015-2016 AcademicYear4 RS_JR

If he graduates with degree in Spring of 2016, he can transfer and play RS_SR year 2017-2018

It is sad if the staff has blackballed BH because he is not mobile.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not dual threat QBs.

Here's hoping that  there is still a place in the world for a classic drop back passer.

Hope Bart Houston keeps his head up, continues to work hard and make the most of the situation.

Last edited 8/6/2014 6:28 AM by buckyinferno

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Posted: 8/6/2014 6:43 AM

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buckyinferno wrote: From the other "Is Bart Houston Getting Enough Reps" thread, it was stated that he switched from Chemical engineering major to Kinesiology.

Bart Houston was in 2012 recruiting class.
I think he enrolled in the Fall of 2012.
Shoulder surgery, redshirt first year.

2012-2013 AcademicYear1 Redshirt
2013-2014 AcademicYear2 RS_FR
2014-2015 AcademicYear3 RS_SO
2015-2016 AcademicYear4 RS_JR

If he graduates with degree in Spring of 2016, he can transfer and play RS_SR year 2017-2018

It is sad if the staff has blackballed BH because he is not mobile.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not dual threat QBs.

Here's hoping that  there is still a place in the world for a classic drop back passer.

Hope Bart Houston keeps his head up, continues to work hard and make the most of the situation.
Seriously?  You think the staff blackballed BH?  Yeah, because that's so in line with the character this staff has displayed (sarcasm meter on).  Oh, and BH has stated publicly that he loves being at Wisconsin.  He came in here, has had injury problems, and has been behind Stave his whole career.  He just got beat out by some other players.  Not sure why some have to immediately jump to some conspiracy or "blackballing" theory.  banghead

"Players make plays, players win games."

Gary Andersen

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Posted: 8/6/2014 9:02 AM

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sudsmcbucky wrote:
buckyinferno wrote: From the other "Is Bart Houston Getting Enough Reps" thread, it was stated that he switched from Chemical engineering major to Kinesiology.

Bart Houston was in 2012 recruiting class.
I think he enrolled in the Fall of 2012.
Shoulder surgery, redshirt first year.

2012-2013 AcademicYear1 Redshirt
2013-2014 AcademicYear2 RS_FR
2014-2015 AcademicYear3 RS_SO
2015-2016 AcademicYear4 RS_JR

If he graduates with degree in Spring of 2016, he can transfer and play RS_SR year 2017-2018

It is sad if the staff has blackballed BH because he is not mobile.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not dual threat QBs.

Here's hoping that  there is still a place in the world for a classic drop back passer.

Hope Bart Houston keeps his head up, continues to work hard and make the most of the situation.
Seriously?  You think the staff blackballed BH?  Yeah, because that's so in line with the character this staff has displayed (sarcasm meter on).  Oh, and BH has stated publicly that he loves being at Wisconsin.  He came in here, has had injury problems, and has been behind Stave his whole career.  He just got beat out by some other players.  Not sure why some have to immediately jump to some conspiracy or "blackballing" theory.  banghead
Blackballed is pretty funny since he was the back up last year and actually got on the field a couple of times early on. The reality is he isn't one of the top qbs on the team....hence the reason he is 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Injuries hurt him, and he admitted to having a poor spring. He seems like a good kid, but I want the most talented players playing, not just good kids. We need improved play at QB regardless of who takes snaps...I have no horse in this race.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:39 AM

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buckyinferno wrote: From the other "Is Bart Houston Getting Enough Reps" thread, it was stated that he switched from Chemical engineering major to Kinesiology.

Bart Houston was in 2012 recruiting class.
I think he enrolled in the Fall of 2012.
Shoulder surgery, redshirt first year.

2012-2013 AcademicYear1 Redshirt
2013-2014 AcademicYear2 RS_FR
2014-2015 AcademicYear3 RS_SO
2015-2016 AcademicYear4 RS_JR

If he graduates with degree in Spring of 2016, he can transfer and play RS_SR year 2017-2018

It is sad if the staff has blackballed BH because he is not mobile.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not dual threat QBs.

Here's hoping that  there is still a place in the world for a classic drop back passer.

Hope Bart Houston keeps his head up, continues to work hard and make the most of the situation.
Your statement is closest to my feelings about the BH situation.  I don't believe that it's a situation that the term "blackballed" would apply to.  But I wonder just HOW limited his mobility is.  Can he not even move around in the pocket well enough to avoid sacks ala Aaron Rodgers?   If he's truly got the best arm on the team, then I would hope the coaches don't write him off.  Is the coaching staff looking for a Braxton Miller to the point of excluding pocket passers?   I hope not.  For years, this team has needed to upgrade the QB position.  We land a top QB recruit from NoCal and he doesn't pan out.  Disappointing.  Hopefully, Gillins or Kafentzis or ? can be the QB that we've been waiting for.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 11:03 AM

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I have been wondering about Houston's status as well.

Obviously he spent his 1st year recovering from surgery and last year as a redshirt freshman he learned how to hold a clipboard.

However in a not so recent interview with JP, Houston expressed extreme confidence that given a fair opportunity he would win the job.

After that interview I got the impression that if he doesn't believe that he has been given "his fair shot", he will look to move on.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Posted: 8/6/2014 3:23 PM

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virginiabadger wrote:

I have been wondering about Houston's status as well.

Obviously he spent his 1st year recovering from surgery and last year as a redshirt freshman he learned how to hold a clipboard.

However in a not so recent interview with JP, Houston expressed extreme confidence that given a fair opportunity he would win the job.

After that interview I got the impression that if he doesn't believe that he has been given "his fair shot", he will look to move on.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Finding the right place to land should he choose to move on is no simple task these days.  Houston should look the example of Mark Myers, late of Pitt, who left after Chryst took over there.  Myers landed at D3 John Carroll, and immediately began rewriting the record book there, most of which were held by the backup to Manning at Indy pre Jim Sorgi, Tom Arth.  Oh yeah and now Arth is the head coach there and grooming Myers to make a run from D3 to the NFL next year.

Not saying Houston needs to end up at a Whitewater or Stevens Point, but the objective for him should he leave is to get on the field immediately where his talent is on display regardless of competition.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 3:55 PM

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Bart Houston wants his degree from UW first which I commend him for.  After that he may have options
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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:24 PM

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DK913 wrote:

Not saying Houston needs to end up at a Whitewater or Stevens Point, but the objective for him should he leave is to get on the field immediately where his talent is on display regardless of competition.
No offense to Bart Houston, but if he transferred to UWW, he might up hanging out on the sidelines, too. They have some pretty good players over there. However, at Point, that might be another story.biggrin
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Posted: 8/7/2014 12:00 AM

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I suspect that Ludwig would choose a good pocket passer with limited mobility over a good running Q.B. with limited passing skills.

Say what you will about "athleticism", "extending the play" and "positives out of negatives" but accurately delivering the ball to open receivers in positions to make a big pay-off from play-action is paramount.  The examples there are Tolzien and Stocco.

We saw it last year and we've seen it before.  Play-action, executed well, is incredibly difficult to defend against Wisconsin.  The down payment has been made by the team's runningbacks and O-line.  The payoff must be executing simple pass n' catch scenarios.

Any Wisconsin quarterback that can routinely hit open receivers off play-action immediately transforms this unit into a deadly offense against any opponent in America.

They will be open.  Hit them in stride and catch the damned ball.

Whoever does that will end the discussion.  Bart Houston included.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 12:50 AM

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Lol at Houston being blackballed for not being mobile enough when we've been starting Joel freaking Stave
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Posted: 8/7/2014 1:42 AM

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Tom Arth was never the backup. He wasn't on the active roster.


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virginiabadger wrote:

I have been wondering about Houston's status as well.

Obviously he spent his 1st year recovering from surgery and last year as a redshirt freshman he learned how to hold a clipboard.

However in a not so recent interview with JP, Houston expressed extreme confidence that given a fair opportunity he would win the job.

After that interview I got the impression that if he doesn't believe that he has been given "his fair shot", he will look to move on.

That wouldn't surprise me at all.



Finding the right place to land should he choose to move on is no simple task these days.  Houston should look the example of Mark Myers, late of Pitt, who left after Chryst took over there.  Myers landed at D3 John Carroll, and immediately began rewriting the record book there, most of which were held by the backup to Manning at Indy pre Jim Sorgi, Tom Arth.  Oh yeah and now Arth is the head coach there and grooming Myers to make a run from D3 to the NFL next year.

Not saying Houston needs to end up at a Whitewater or Stevens Point, but the objective for him should he leave is to get on the field immediately where his talent is on display regardless of competition.

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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:36 AM

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Haha, what? He just isn't as good as Stave or Tanner and DJ will be better. He came in highly touted but that doesn't mean squat, unless all 3 QB's go down with injuries he will not take 1 meaningful snap for the Badgers and I'm fine with that. 
buckyinferno wrote: From the other "Is Bart Houston Getting Enough Reps" thread, it was stated that he switched from Chemical enginering major to Kinesiology.

Bart Houston was in 2012 recruiting class.
I think he enrolled in the Fall of 2012.
Shoulder surgery, redshirt first year.

2012-2013 AcademicYear1 Redshirt
2013-2014 AcademicYear2 RS_FR
2014-2015 AcademicYear3 RS_SO
2015-2016 AcademicYear4 RS_JR

If he graduates with degree in Spring of 2016, he can transfer and play RS_SR year 2017-2018

It is sad if the staff has blackballed BH because he is not mobile.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not dual threat QBs.

Here's hoping that  there is still a place in the world for a classic drop back passer.

Hope Bart Houston keeps his head up, continues to work hard and make the most of the situation.

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:05 AM

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pilprin wrote:
Blackballed is pretty funny since he was the back up last year and actually got on the field a couple of times early on. The reality is he isn't one of the top qbs on the team....hence the reason he is 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Injuries hurt him, and he admitted to having a poor spring. He seems like a good kid, but I want the most talented players playing, not just good kids. We need improved play at QB regardless of who takes snaps...I have no horse in this race.
The only reason he got on the field early was because of Curt Phillps's generosity. Andersen had no intention of playing Houston in that game until Curt told him to put Bart in in his place.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 8:44 AM

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Either way you slice it, the coaching staff doesn't feel like he is as good as Stave and Tanner and I believe them. 
kowitzc wrote:
pilprin wrote:
Blackballed is pretty funny since he was the back up last year and actually got on the field a couple of times early on. The reality is he isn't one of the top qbs on the team....hence the reason he is 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Injuries hurt him, and he admitted to having a poor spring. He seems like a good kid, but I want the most talented players playing, not just good kids. We need improved play at QB regardless of who takes snaps...I have no horse in this race.
The only reason he got on the field early was because of Curt Phillps's generosity. Andersen had no intention of playing Houston in that game until Curt told him to put Bart in in his place.

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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Posted: 8/7/2014 1:59 PM

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Bendbadgersteve wrote: I suspect that Ludwig would choose a good pocket passer with limited mobility over a good running Q.B. with limited passing skills.

Say what you will about "athleticism", "extending the play" and "positives out of negatives" but accurately delivering the ball to open receivers in positions to make a big pay-off from play-action is paramount.  The examples there are Tolzien and Stocco.

We saw it last year and we've seen it before.  Play-action, executed well, is incredibly difficult to defend against Wisconsin.  The down payment has been made by the team's runningbacks and O-line.  The payoff must be executing simple pass n' catch scenarios.

Any Wisconsin quarterback that can routinely hit open receivers off play-action immediately transforms this unit into a deadly offense against any opponent in America.

They will be open.  Hit them in stride and catch the damned ball.

Whoever does that will end the discussion.  Bart Houston included.
Good analysis and perspective.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 2:30 PM

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BadRick wrote:
Bendbadgersteve wrote: I suspect that Ludwig would choose a good pocket passer with limited mobility over a good running Q.B. with limited passing skills.

Say what you will about "athleticism", "extending the play" and "positives out of negatives" but accurately delivering the ball to open receivers in positions to make a big pay-off from play-action is paramount.  The examples there are Tolzien and Stocco.

We saw it last year and we've seen it before.  Play-action, executed well, is incredibly difficult to defend against Wisconsin.  The down payment has been made by the team's runningbacks and O-line.  The payoff must be executing simple pass n' catch scenarios.

Any Wisconsin quarterback that can routinely hit open receivers off play-action immediately transforms this unit into a deadly offense against any opponent in America.

They will be open.  Hit them in stride and catch the damned ball.

Whoever does that will end the discussion.  Bart Houston included.
Good analysis and perspective.
And people underestimate the importance of pre-snap reads, pocket awareness, and decision making. A little thing like two or three steps to avoid pressure and then snapping off a quick pass look easy. But an experienced QB who knows how to read a defense and knows where his receivers will be doesn't need to race around the pocket like crazy, waiting for somebody to get open.

I'm not implying Stave is ahead in these categories, simply that a less than mobile player can be an outstanding QB, and might have a significant advantage over a more athletic but less experienced and intuitive player.

Of course, a guy like Russel Wilson who has both QB skills and athletic ability would be great to have again. But there's not many like him.

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Posted: 8/7/2014 2:41 PM

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Looking over the reports so far, it looks to me like Houston might be passing McEvoy. I don't see anyone playing well enough to take the start away from Stave. But I do think McEvoy might just end up back at safety before long. My best guess is Stave starts with Houston slated as number two. I don't see a true freshman QB getting the opportunity for significant playing time.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 2:41 PM

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Badger8843 wrote: Either way you slice it, the coaching staff doesn't feel like he is as good as Stave and Tanner and I believe them. 
kowitzc wrote:
pilprin wrote:
Blackballed is pretty funny since he was the back up last year and actually got on the field a couple of times early on. The reality is he isn't one of the top qbs on the team....hence the reason he is 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Injuries hurt him, and he admitted to having a poor spring. He seems like a good kid, but I want the most talented players playing, not just good kids. We need improved play at QB regardless of who takes snaps...I have no horse in this race.
The only reason he got on the field early was because of Curt Phillps's generosity. Andersen had no intention of playing Houston in that game until Curt told him to put Bart in in his place.

From Fox Sports -

"During skeleton drills, which do not feature linemen, McEvoy completed 6 of 10 passes. He began just 1 for 5 and was intercepted by safety Leo Musso on an overthrow across the middle. McEvoy did rally to complete his final five throws, which included a stellar ball down the right sideline to freshman Natrell Jamerson, who caught the pass in stride 40 yards downfield and scooted to the end zone.

When the team broke for 11-on-11 drills, McEvoy struggled to find open receivers and to escape pressure against a defense that included five expected starters -- safety Michael Caputo, cornerback Darius Hillary, linebackers Vince Biegel and Derek Landisch and defensive end Konrad Zagzebski. He finished 0 for 6 during the session and was intercepted again, this time by cornerback Dare Ogunbowale."


Hopefully an outlier, but not a good performance from TM, speaking of BH -

"Reserve quarterback Bart Houston, meanwhile, completed 3 of 4 passes during skeleton drills and went 2 for 2 in the 11-on-11 session."
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Posted: 8/7/2014 2:49 PM

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VenturaBadger wrote:
Badger8843 wrote: Either way you slice it, the coaching staff doesn't feel like he is as good as Stave and Tanner and I believe them. 
kowitzc wrote:
pilprin wrote:
Blackballed is pretty funny since he was the back up last year and actually got on the field a couple of times early on. The reality is he isn't one of the top qbs on the team....hence the reason he is 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Injuries hurt him, and he admitted to having a poor spring. He seems like a good kid, but I want the most talented players playing, not just good kids. We need improved play at QB regardless of who takes snaps...I have no horse in this race.
The only reason he got on the field early was because of Curt Phillps's generosity. Andersen had no intention of playing Houston in that game until Curt told him to put Bart in in his place.

From Fox Sports -

"During skeleton drills, which do not feature linemen, McEvoy completed 6 of 10 passes. He began just 1 for 5 and was intercepted by safety Leo Musso on an overthrow across the middle. McEvoy did rally to complete his final five throws, which included a stellar ball down the right sideline to freshman Natrell Jamerson, who caught the pass in stride 40 yards downfield and scooted to the end zone.

When the team broke for 11-on-11 drills, McEvoy struggled to find open receivers and to escape pressure against a defense that included five expected starters -- safety Michael Caputo, cornerback Darius Hillary, linebackers Vince Biegel and Derek Landisch and defensive end Konrad Zagzebski. He finished 0 for 6 during the session and was intercepted again, this time by cornerback Dare Ogunbowale."


Hopefully an outlier, but not a good performance from TM, speaking of BH -

"Reserve quarterback Bart Houston, meanwhile, completed 3 of 4 passes during skeleton drills and went 2 for 2 in the 11-on-11 session."
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Praying  Gordon and Clement stay healthy.
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