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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:25 PM

Walker Williams? 


Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:31 PM

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911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:07 PM

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I know nothing about Williams progress. One thing that I do know is that when a kid is doing nice things in practice, it gets out (like with Obasih last year). I never hear anything about Williams in practice.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:39 AM

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potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:07 AM

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Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:53 AM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:02 AM

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Agree with the above poster. It seems they like Biegel. He certainly has a chance to play.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:59 AM

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mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.
Maybe it was bad recruiting.  Maybe they should have known about some of these chronic, debilitating injury issues before these players reached campus.  They didn't just begin when they got to Madison.  All I know is we're on some very thin ice and the current freshman class had better be ready to start early in their careers.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:25 PM

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He certainly didn't look great in the spring game IMO. On one play he didn't even get out of his stance against Biegel. Hard to see him improving enough to ever contribute, but sometimes kids make that jump (Tauscher, etc)
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Posted: 7/30/2014 12:58 PM

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Neither Ball nor Williams were top prospects when they signed on, they were huge prospects, that is all.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 1:19 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.
Maybe it was bad recruiting.  Maybe they should have known about some of these chronic, debilitating injury issues before these players reached campus.  They didn't just begin when they got to Madison.  All I know is we're on some very thin ice and the current freshman class had better be ready to start early in their careers.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:09 PM

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Thin ice?  A little early to be pressing the panic button.

Big Rob just said the Badgers could go eight (maybe nine) deep along the o-line.  And that was without seeing 2-3 quality freshman who don't start practice until Aug. 4th.

But what does he know.  I'd much rather put faith in some anon internet poster.eek1

daOSU must be in deep doo-doo since they are replacing 4 of 5 2013 starters on the o-line.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:22 PM

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badgerpaw wrote: Thin ice?  A little early to be pressing the panic button.

Big Rob just said the Badgers could go eight (maybe nine) deep along the o-line.  And that was without seeing 2-3 quality freshman who don't start practice until Aug. 4th.

But what does he know.  I'd much rather put faith in some anon internet poster.eek1

daOSU must be in deep doo-doo since they are replacing 4 of 5 2013 starters on the o-line.
Not this year Einstein.  Next year.  We have two years of OL classes washing out.  Do you really think I'm talking about having this year's freshman class starting this season?  By definition that will leave us thin.  Put your faith wherever you want.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:24 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.
Maybe it was bad recruiting.  Maybe they should have known about some of these chronic, debilitating injury issues before these players reached campus.  They didn't just begin when they got to Madison.  All I know is we're on some very thin ice and the current freshman class had better be ready to start early in their careers.
not sure how you could forsee concussions for miller and keeler that happened after they arrived on campus.  there is no evidence i am aware of that these were injuries that happened in high school.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:27 PM

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ajmadison wrote: Neither Ball nor Williams were top prospects when they signed on, they were huge prospects, that is all.
Agree. Was hoping WW would blossom and I''d one over on local Husky fans about slow-playing and losing him to Badgers. Now it appears Husky coaches were correct all along. .
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:33 PM

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ajmadison wrote: Neither Ball nor Williams were top prospects when they signed on, they were huge prospects, that is all.
ball was in 2011 so not in two classes mentioned.  plus he had offers from michigan and ucla.  Willaims was 2012 and had offers from ohio st, ucla, colorado, oregon st, and washington.  neither were huge prospects but certainly prospects that we have done fine with once they were developed.  ball is our 6th guy this year and will probably start next year.  not horrible.  williams is like 7 or 8.  not horrible for a 3rd year guy.  we have been hurt by the guys that are no longer in the program due to career ending injuries more than anything.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:48 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
badgerpaw wrote: Thin ice?  A little early to be pressing the panic button.

Big Rob just said the Badgers could go eight (maybe nine) deep along the o-line.  And that was without seeing 2-3 quality freshman who don't start practice until Aug. 4th.

But what does he know.  I'd much rather put faith in some anon internet poster.eek1

daOSU must be in deep doo-doo since they are replacing 4 of 5 2013 starters on the o-line.
Not this year Einstein.  Next year.  We have two years of OL classes washing out.  Do you really think I'm talking about having this year's freshman class starting this season?  By definition that will leave us thin.  Put your faith wherever you want.
I was talking about next year Einstein Jr.

Let me do the math for you...

There are only three seniors in the current o-line rotation.  That means there will be 5 or 6 players ready to step up (per Big Rob's statement) next season. 

And that doesn't count the 2-3 promising freshman that start practice next week.

The Badgers will be just fine.  But you should worry about daOSU...
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:02 PM

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For 2015 I could see a starting OL of:
LT - Martz
LG - Dietler/Panos
C- Voltz
RG - Ball
RT - Biegel/Williams/Gault

I think when it all shakes out in 2015 that will be a solid line with young, talented depth behind them.  This year we need to avoid injuries, probably could survive one loss of an interior guy (slide Ball in) but that's about it.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 7:10 PM

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MDRBadger wrote: For 2015 I could see a starting OL of:
LT - Martz
LG - Dietler/Panos
C- Voltz
RG - Ball
RT - Biegel/Williams/Gault

I think when it all shakes out in 2015 that will be a solid line with young, talented depth behind them.  This year we need to avoid injuries, probably could survive one loss of an interior guy (slide Ball in) but that's about it.
Don't sleep on Kapoi. Andersen mentioned he is strong enough physically that he could be in the depth THIS year.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:08 PM

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I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 8:15 PM

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MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
He could be in the depth and still redshirt.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 9:31 PM

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mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.
Well stated.  Good perspective.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 10:38 PM

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Travis Frederick says hi!
MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 11:43 PM

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BadgerFan811 wrote: Travis Frederick says hi!
MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
Frederick was more the exception than the rule.  Most OL are not ready to play as true freshman.  Even the few who are (Frederick, maybe Deitler) would offer the team more value their 5th year than their first year.
BB tried to make up for playing Frederick as a true freshman by redshirting him in 2010 despite being completely healthy.  If he was not a high draft prospect that 5th year would have come in handy and I doubt any coaches or fans would have minded seeing him on the team last year.  
I do like the idea of Dietler or another freshman playing in the 2 deep to get the experience of practice and preparing throughout the week as though you may play, but I strongly hope they would not see the field and burn the redshirt.
What makes Wisconsin a good program is that we take hard working guys and they stick around 4 and 5 years.  That closes the gap between the 3 star and 5 star guys.  If we beat LSU next month it will be because our 4th year juniors, 4th year seniors and 5th year seniors outplayed LSU's 3rd year juniors and 4th year seniors.  Not because we out recruited them.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 8:14 AM

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--- MDRBadger wrote:


BadgerFan811 wrote: Travis Frederick says hi!
MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
Frederick was more the exception than the rule.  Most OL are not ready to play as true freshman.  Even the few who are (Frederick, maybe Deitler) would offer the team more value their 5th year than their first year.
BB tried to make up for playing Frederick as a true freshman by redshirting him in 2010 despite being completely healthy.  If he was not a high draft prospect that 5th year would have come in handy and I doubt any coaches or fans would have minded seeing him on the team last year.  
I do like the idea of Dietler or another freshman playing in the 2 deep to get the experience of practice and preparing throughout the week as though you may play, but I strongly hope they would not see the field and burn the redshirt.
What makes Wisconsin a good program is that we take hard working guys and they stick around 4 and 5 years.  That closes the gap between the 3 star and 5 star guys.  If we beat LSU next month it will be because our 4th year juniors, 4th year seniors and 5th year seniors outplayed LSU's 3rd year juniors and 4th year seniors.  Not because we out recruited them.

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Yes. Exact same with hoops. Age and maturity closes the gap on talent most of the time. Coaching adds to it as well.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:00 PM

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This kind of thinking is, to be mildly blunt, insane.  You put the best 11 players on the field period, regardless of time in the program.  In the college environment of today which, of course, is oriented around winning, class nepotism is a thing of the past.  If a freshman is ready to play and is one of the top 11 on whichever side of the ball, he should play (that means, not redshirt, not defer to an upperclassmen that the freshman is better than).  For example, Hillary and Jean should have been the starters at the corner position last year; Coach A went with the best and a true freshman ended up being one of the defense's playmakers.  In regards to the topic at hand, if a freshman O-lineman (however unlikely) is ready to play and contribute in the 2-deep, why redshirt him.  On field experience in the trenches will generally trump the factors you mention. 
MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:04 PM

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Some very good perspectives and info offered in this thread-------Thanks guys!
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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:10 PM

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mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.

BB's recruiting at OL was pretty bad, especially considering the legacy we have at the position.  Even when Bo was here, BB's staff was never very good at landing highly rated guys other than big Josh.  The development of the program and the staff is where it excelled.  That's also why the OL was so thin last year and really this year and why GA has had to put a heavy emphasis on recruiting that position.

"Players make plays, players win games."

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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:33 PM

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sudsmcbucky wrote:
mbadger wrote:
Kilgore309 wrote:
Bacchus1 wrote:
potrykus wrote:
911sfan wrote: Any updates how WW is progressing? I know he came in without much weight training from small HS out here in WA.  Seemed to have great attitude.
Tweeted it yesterday AM.

Williams No. 2 LT -- for now. But Andersen wants competition and acknowledged if they had to play this week and Marz went down that Lewallen likely would slide to LT from LG and they'd promote one of the interior reserves.
Interesting, as that means they think more of Ball or a bunch of walk-ons. There isn't another interior scholarship player besides incoming FR, is there?  That's not very promising for Walker.
Williams was a big time project from the get go.  This doesn't surprise me one bit.

The scholarship OL from the classes of 2012 and 2013:  Williams, Voltz, Meador, Miller, Keeler, Biegel.  There is a better-than-average chance that we get meaningful snaps from only ONE of those guys over their entire careers.  Simply atrocious.
i don't know about atrocious.  that implies bad recruiting.  voltz will be a muliple year starter.  biegel is a redshirt freshman and people think highly of him.  meador, miller, and keeler all had career ending injuries so not much we can do about that.  at least keeler had done enough to be highly thought of.  williams is the only project and he still has three years to do something.  At least he is in the depth now.  It would be great to recruit knowing players wouldn't get hurt.

BB's recruiting at OL was pretty bad, especially considering the legacy we have at the position.  Even when Bo was here, BB's staff was never very good at landing highly rated guys other than big Josh.  The development of the program and the staff is where it excelled.  That's also why the OL was so thin last year and really this year and why GA has had to put a heavy emphasis on recruiting that position.
i don't disagree.  I was commenting on those specific classes, which imo, are not on the staff due to being still young, and guys ending their careers with injuries.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:39 PM

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Intlbadger wrote: This kind of thinking is, to be mildly blunt, insane.  You put the best 11 players on the field period, regardless of time in the program.  In the college environment of today which, of course, is oriented around winning, class nepotism is a thing of the past.  If a freshman is ready to play and is one of the top 11 on whichever side of the ball, he should play (that means, not redshirt, not defer to an upperclassmen that the freshman is better than).  For example, Hillary and Jean should have been the starters at the corner position last year; Coach A went with the best and a true freshman ended up being one of the defense's playmakers.  In regards to the topic at hand, if a freshman O-lineman (however unlikely) is ready to play and contribute in the 2-deep, why redshirt him.  On field experience in the trenches will generally trump the factors you mention. 
MDRBadger wrote: I hope you and Coach Andersen are right.  Playing a true freshman would make me nervous, I like to see all our lineman redshirt and be 5th year seniors.  I fear Dietler might have to burn his redshirt this year too.
i understand what you are saying and i agree, if they can help the team, play them.  This mostly applies to skill players, not lineman.  bottomline, similiarly to basketball, we compete b/c we are never that young.  the only way for us to continue to compete, is by redshirting kids or recruiting higher, more ready to play kids.  since i doubt we will start recruiting top ten classes, i still think we have to try to win with experienced, older teams.
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