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QB is up for debate, but who is going to catch the ball?

Posted: 7/28/2014 10:35 PM

QB is up for debate, but who is going to catch the ball? 


Looks like QB is likely to be a struggle, but I am just as worried about the WR position.  That is going to make QB's job even harder.  Going to have to try to throw receivers open!  Who is capable of stepping up at that position?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:20 AM

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IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:17 AM

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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:39 AM

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Sounds like Rushing has impressed thus far as well. I think Baggot tweeted it recently.


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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:48 AM

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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Haven't heard much about Wheelwright so far. Wonder if he's going to contribute this year?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:55 AM

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CloudsOfDust wrote:


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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Haven't heard much about Wheelwright so far. Wonder if he's going to contribute this year?
Andersen, or maybe it was Ludwig, indicated he was currently #1 but that he hoped the some of the freshmen would step up. Not sure what that means. Not at all positive I want to know.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:58 AM

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CloudsOfDust wrote:


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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Haven't heard much about Wheelwright so far. Wonder if he's going to contribute this year?
Andersen, or maybe it was Ludwig, indicated he was currently #1 but that he hoped the some of the freshmen would step up. Not sure what that means. Not at all positive I want to know.

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Ah, I hadn't heard that. I guess that's good. Sanders is the frosh I think has the best chance to contribute--or at least that's what I thought based on his HS tape.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:00 AM

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It was Ludwig. He indicated Wheelright was the #1 but Fredrick, despite being a 'starter' at this point, is limited and more of a role player.

I took his comments about freshman stepping up a little differently....meaning to push/unseat Fredrick.


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CloudsOfDust wrote:


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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Haven't heard much about Wheelwright so far. Wonder if he's going to contribute this year?
Andersen, or maybe it was Ludwig, indicated he was currently #1 but that he hoped the some of the freshmen would step up. Not sure what that means. Not at all positive I want to know.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:14 AM

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Ph3431 wrote: It was Ludwig. He indicated Wheelright was the #1 but Fredrick, despite being a 'starter' at this point, is limited and more of a role player.

I took his comments about freshman stepping up a little differently....meaning to push/unseat Fredrick.


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CloudsOfDust wrote:


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Wheelwright, Doe, Fredrick and Sanders

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Haven't heard much about Wheelwright so far. Wonder if he's going to contribute this year?
Andersen, or maybe it was Ludwig, indicated he was currently #1 but that he hoped the some of the freshmen would step up. Not sure what that means. Not at all positive I want to know.

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If McEvoy is behind center, I would expect Fredrick to get as many snaps as anybody. The freshmen, IMO, would need to show quickly that they can block if they want to be out there on every snap. That might be true even with Stave at QB.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:20 AM

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Seems like the coaching staff wants: Wheelwright, Peevy, and Sanders/Rushing.

Doe and Frederick are limited in what they can bring to the table as a WR, Doe for size purposes and Frederick for skill purposes.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:29 AM

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BleacherBadger wrote: Seems like the coaching staff wants: Wheelwright, Peevy, and Sanders/Rushing.

Doe and Frederick are limited in what they can bring to the table as a WR, Doe for size purposes and Frederick for skill purposes.
They're all limited.  That's why this is a discussion.  We'll go with the best of what we have and hopefully it's not too big of an impediment to our success.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 10:33 AM

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Well, yes, I didn't say those 4 names were perfect WRs.

However, it sounds like they are viewed as having the most upside to improve the passing game from last year.

As this is a discussion, I'll trust that my previous statement will be used as a discussion point and not fact. I appreciate you pointing out that this is, in fact, a place of discussion.
Kilgore309 wrote:
BleacherBadger wrote: Seems like the coaching staff wants: Wheelwright, Peevy, and Sanders/Rushing.

Doe and Frederick are limited in what they can bring to the table as a WR, Doe for size purposes and Frederick for skill purposes.
They're all limited.  That's why this is a discussion.  We'll go with the best of what we have and hopefully it's not too big of an impediment to our success.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 11:10 AM

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Despite Fredrick's 'limitations' as a receiver, I've always thought of him as a pretty good blocker on the outside in the run game.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:41 PM

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I know we will have some TE's and RB's who can catch, but we need a real play maker that can stretch the field and run after the catch.  That is my concern with this team.  A guy that can make a short catch and turn It into a big gain would really help the QB.
UnknownBadger wrote: IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 12:56 PM

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It was interesting to hear that Derek Watt has spent more time with the TEs than RBs this offseason.


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IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:15 PM

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badgerb0b wrote: I know we will have some TE's and RB's who can catch, but we need a real play maker that can stretch the field and run after the catch.  That is my concern with this team.  A guy that can make a short catch and turn It into a big gain would really help the QB.
UnknownBadger wrote: IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
We actually need two. One on each end of the scrimmage line. Otherwise, you find teams do what they did with Abby last year and have a safety shade toward him. In his last 7 games his longest play was 28 yards. Although he caught 46 balls during those 7 games, he only averaged 10 ypr***. Unfortunately, it's been a while since we've found more than one. This year it would just be nice if we found one. 

***Of note, by the 7th game Ludwig had pretty much given up on calling intermediate or long routes by the WRs.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:37 PM

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Despite the safety shading, Abby did get deep several times on designed deep routes in the last 7 games.

Stave had a horrific underthrow vs. Illinois, missed one vs. BYU if I recall correctly, and Abby dropped one at MN. I'd have to go back and look at the others but receivers still seemed to be getting open, including Abby.


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badgerb0b wrote: I know we will have some TE's and RB's who can catch, but we need a real play maker that can stretch the field and run after the catch.  That is my concern with this team.  A guy that can make a short catch and turn It into a big gain would really help the QB.
UnknownBadger wrote: IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
We actually need two. One on each end of the scrimmage line. Otherwise, you find teams do what they did with Abby last year and have a safety shade toward him. In his last 7 games his longest play was 28 yards. Although he caught 46 balls during those 7 games, he only averaged 10 ypr***. Unfortunately, it's been a while since we've found more than one. This year it would just be nice if we found one. 

***Of note, by the 7th game Ludwig had pretty much given up on calling intermediate or long routes by the WRs.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:50 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
 
Andersen, or maybe it was Ludwig, indicated he was currently #1 but that he hoped the some of the freshmen would step up. Not sure what that means. Not at all positive I want to know.


Ludwig. I linked the story in this thread: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=13010624.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:19 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: Despite the safety shading, Abby did get deep several times on designed deep routes in the last 7 games.

Stave had a horrific underthrow vs. Illinois, missed one vs. BYU if I recall correctly, and Abby dropped one at MN. I'd have to go back and look at the others but receivers still seemed to be getting open, including Abby.


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badgerb0b wrote: I know we will have some TE's and RB's who can catch, but we need a real play maker that can stretch the field and run after the catch.  That is my concern with this team.  A guy that can make a short catch and turn It into a big gain would really help the QB.
UnknownBadger wrote: IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
We actually need two. One on each end of the scrimmage line. Otherwise, you find teams do what they did with Abby last year and have a safety shade toward him. In his last 7 games his longest play was 28 yards. Although he caught 46 balls during those 7 games, he only averaged 10 ypr***. Unfortunately, it's been a while since we've found more than one. This year it would just be nice if we found one. 

***Of note, by the 7th game Ludwig had pretty much given up on calling intermediate or long routes by the WRs.

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Several times would be an overstatement.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:21 PM

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Several is more than two and less than many.


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Ph3431 wrote: Despite the safety shading, Abby did get deep several times on designed deep routes in the last 7 games.

Stave had a horrific underthrow vs. Illinois, missed one vs. BYU if I recall correctly, and Abby dropped one at MN. I'd have to go back and look at the others but receivers still seemed to be getting open, including Abby.


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badgerb0b wrote: I know we will have some TE's and RB's who can catch, but we need a real play maker that can stretch the field and run after the catch.  That is my concern with this team.  A guy that can make a short catch and turn It into a big gain would really help the QB.
UnknownBadger wrote: IMO, it's not a matter of whether or not our receivers can catch the ball, we've got receivers who can do that, it's whether or not they can be dangerous enough to keep defenses especially safeties honest. D's need to have some respect for their playmaking ability. The pass game though isn't just about the WR's. Backs and TEs can play prominent roles in it as we've seen from time to time in the past.
We actually need two. One on each end of the scrimmage line. Otherwise, you find teams do what they did with Abby last year and have a safety shade toward him. In his last 7 games his longest play was 28 yards. Although he caught 46 balls during those 7 games, he only averaged 10 ypr***. Unfortunately, it's been a while since we've found more than one. This year it would just be nice if we found one. 

***Of note, by the 7th game Ludwig had pretty much given up on calling intermediate or long routes by the WRs.

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Several times would be an overstatement.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 2:41 PM

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It'll be nice to have a deep threat but it's not necessary.  If GA is going to more multiple receiver formations, we just need smart players who can read defenses, run good routes and make catches.  There will be holes in the defense that will allow us to pick up first downs to supplement the run game.  It can still be a very successful offense as long as we don't put ourselves into bad situations (penalties, fumbles, etc.) 

Some folks here probably remembers how good Darrell Bevell was.  A lot of his passes were short...fullback in the flat, TE coming off a block, etc.  We used the passing game to supplement hard running by Moss and Fletcher.  By making less mistakes then the opponents, we'd wear them out by imposing our will on them.  We just need to go back to that blueprint this year.


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:01 PM

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UWRX95 wrote: It'll be nice to have a deep threat but it's not necessary.  If GA is going to more multiple receiver formations, we just need smart players who can read defenses, run good routes and make catches.  There will be holes in the defense that will allow us to pick up first downs to supplement the run game.  It can still be a very successful offense as long as we don't put ourselves into bad situations (penalties, fumbles, etc.) 

Some folks here probably remembers how good Darrell Bevell was.  A lot of his passes were short...fullback in the flat, TE coming off a block, etc.  We used the passing game to supplement hard running by Moss and Fletcher.  By making less mistakes then the opponents, we'd wear them out by imposing our will on them.  We just need to go back to that blueprint this year.
We essentially did that the last half of last season, rx. Lots of short hooks, flat passes, bubble screens, and White sliding out of the backfield.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:25 PM

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Seems like Reggie Love has dropped completely out of contention?
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Posted: 7/29/2014 3:57 PM

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I have been expecting big things from Wheelwright and was hoping he would get his chance so lets hope he can make the most of it. Sanders if good as advertised wont have a problem passing up Fredrick and Doe

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Posted: 7/29/2014 4:03 PM

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Badger8843 wrote: I have been expecting big things from Wheelwright and was hoping he would get his chance so lets hope he can make the most of it. Sanders if good as advertised wont have a problem passing up Fredrick and Doe
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Posted: 7/29/2014 5:57 PM

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Badgers919 wrote: Seems like Reggie Love has dropped completely out of contention?
Hopefully not.  He's got some of the best size on the team.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:14 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
We essentially did that the last half of last season, rx. Lots of short hooks, flat passes, bubble screens, and White sliding out of the backfield.
You're right.  I expect more of it this year though with Abby gone.  I'd like to see more passes to Derek Watt, and less passes attempted period.  Stave threw 336 times last year, which was way too many.  I'd like to see 18-20 passes per game on average, instead of 25-26 last year.


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:29 PM

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Seems hard to sell that to WR recruits.


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UnknownBadger wrote:
We essentially did that the last half of last season, rx. Lots of short hooks, flat passes, bubble screens, and White sliding out of the backfield.
You're right.  I expect more of it this year though with Abby gone.  I'd like to see more passes to Derek Watt, and less passes attempted period.  Stave threw 336 times last year, which was way too many.  I'd like to see 18-20 passes per game on average, instead of 25-26 last year.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:39 PM

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UWRX95 wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
We essentially did that the last half of last season, rx. Lots of short hooks, flat passes, bubble screens, and White sliding out of the backfield.
You're right.  I expect more of it this year though with Abby gone.  I'd like to see more passes to Derek Watt, and less passes attempted period.  Stave threw 336 times last year, which was way too many.  I'd like to see 18-20 passes per game on average, instead of 25-26 last year.
It sounds like that is going to happen. They said Watt has spent more time working with the TEs than the backs.

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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:58 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: Seems hard to sell that to WR recruits.


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You're right.  I expect more of it this year though with Abby gone.  I'd like to see more passes to Derek Watt, and less passes attempted period.  Stave threw 336 times last year, which was way too many.  I'd like to see 18-20 passes per game on average, instead of 25-26 last year.

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Only to the WR recruits who are not smart enough to realize that coaches play to the strengths of the team.  If they're talented enough to be starters, they'll see the ball regularly.  BA didn't throw the ball a whole lot, but the play makers (i.e. Chris Chambers) had plenty of opportunities.

Besides, play calling is only a small part of recruiting.  Location, the personal relationship between the coaches & the recruit/family and playing time greatly trumps play calling.


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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