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Patterson up to 326, Herring 283

Posted: 7/23/2014 6:54 AM

Patterson up to 326, Herring 283 


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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:24 AM

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A lot of good information on there.  Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:30 AM

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I like that Fumagalli is 6'5 and now up to 246, he could be a weapon.  Also, Biegel up around 245 should be scary good.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:48 AM

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The heights and weights of the TE prospects are now pretty similar (all 6-4, 6-5 & 244-250 except Traylor 6-3).  It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the fall.
RandallStation wrote: I like that Fumagalli is 6'5 and now up to 246, he could be a weapon.  Also, Biegel up around 245 should be scary good.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:59 AM

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D'cota Dixon is a pretty impressive specimen.  He appears to have recovered well from the labrum surgery.  I threw in one of his twitter pics below (DD on the left). His video was predominantly offense (RB) but he laid down some nasty hits at DB.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:00 AM

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Can't wait to see Dixon's career progress.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:02 AM

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OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:04 AM

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Anyone surprised by Brookins move to OLB? I know GA wants a fast defense, but an OLB at 209 sure seems small to me.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:23 AM

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OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:32 AM

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CloudsOfDust wrote: Anyone surprised by Brookins move to OLB? I know GA wants a fast defense, but an OLB at 209 sure seems small to me.
He played OLB in the spring. Not fast enough for S but fast enough for LB.
"Nobody has defended (Ray) Rice. TGP and PH are trying to perpetuate a myth. They don't have a reading comprehension problem. They are simply idiots." - Kowitzc on 7/31/14 during a debate about domestic violence.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:53 AM

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CloudsOfDust wrote: Anyone surprised by Brookins move to OLB? I know GA wants a fast defense, but an OLB at 209 sure seems small to me.
He played OLB in the spring. Not fast enough for S but fast enough for LB.

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I must not have been paying attention well enough during the spring, because I missed that development. I thought when he was being recruited, he was considered pretty damn fast. I suppose the knee injury may have affected that, though. Am I remembering right--did he have 2 major knee injuries?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:57 AM

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Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:00 PM

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As far as Goldberg goes, we desperately need that to be true now that Gilbert is gone.


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Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.


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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:14 PM

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NewerBreed wrote: Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
They moved Herring to DE for the spring game.

No. 1 line that day was: Herring, Goldberg and Zagzebski.

No. 2 line: Keefer, Gilbert and James.
"Nobody has defended (Ray) Rice. TGP and PH are trying to perpetuate a myth. They don't have a reading comprehension problem. They are simply idiots." - Kowitzc on 7/31/14 during a debate about domestic violence.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:29 PM

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NewerBreed wrote: Update on the updates
Ahh great fresh information and more to come with camp soon coming!cool
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:32 PM

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Thanks for clearing that up Jeff.  I guess that would explain where those references emerged. 

I am hoping Goldberg/Patterson/other frosh DL can step up and provide some needed depth. 

I am with buckyfever on doing whatever it takes to prevent injury to Herring.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:32 PM

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NewerBreed wrote: Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
Andersen was asked about that after the spring game. I believe Jeff asked the initial question about Herring getting some time at end, and someone else followed up with whether Goldberg's play made that move possible. Andersen said it did, but he also mentioned Gilbert and Patterson.

Early in spring, Chad Kauha'aha'a said he expected it to be a battle for the No. 2 spot between Gilbert and Goldberg. With Gilbert leaving, it would lead you to believe that Goldberg had moved in front of him for good, but that's just speculation. We won't know for sure until we get to talk with Andersen on Monday.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:34 PM

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Thanks!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:48 PM

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Some of the downsizing makes me nervous to be quite honest...but that is because I haven't seen the results...I can't wait to start hearing about practice. I sure hope all of this change is for the positive.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:30 PM

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While I understand that we won't know until the season but, it seems like the Badgers have lost the battle at the LOS against the "better teams" in recent years so, is downsizing a positive? Are the players stronger than the players who dominated at the LOS? ( think Burke, Bryant, Watt, Erasmus James on D and Thomas, Gibson, Konz, Carimi etc... too many OL players to mention all of them) Is the S&C coach an upgrade over previous coaches? On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:42 PM

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While I understand that we won't know until the season but, it seems like the Badgers have lost the battle at the LOS against the "better teams" in recent years so, is downsizing a positive? Are the players stronger than the players who dominated at the LOS? ( think Burke, Bryant, Watt, Erasmus James on D and Thomas, Gibson, Konz, Carimi etc... too many OL players to mention all of them) Is the S&C coach an upgrade over previous coaches? On Wisconsin !!

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The problem was more a lack of athleticism against good teams, hence the strategy to get faster across the board on defense. Big plays by athletic offensive players killed our D in all of our losses.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:45 PM

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Here is one quantifiable strength comparison from your list.

Here is a video posted on youtube by Brookfield East's strength coach showing Alec James benching 225x19 in February of his senior year.  That would be 18 more reps than Erasmus and he has put on at least 20 lbs since then.

...James weighed 210 pounds when he was recruited from McArthur High School in Pembroke Pines, Fla., and was a speed rusher who could bench press 225 pounds just one time -- and barely, at that. ...

EJ passed on the bench press at the NFL combine.
BadgerRedd1 wrote: While I understand that we won't know until the season but, it seems like the Badgers have lost the battle at the LOS against the "better teams" in recent years so, is downsizing a positive? Are the players stronger than the players who dominated at the LOS? ( think Burke, Bryant, Watt, Erasmus James on D and Thomas, Gibson, Konz, Carimi etc... too many OL players to mention all of them) Is the S&C coach an upgrade over previous coaches? On Wisconsin !!

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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:17 PM

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potrykus wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote: Anyone surprised by Brookins move to OLB? I know GA wants a fast defense, but an OLB at 209 sure seems small to me.
He played OLB in the spring. Not fast enough for S but fast enough for LB.
wow.  he was viewed as a 4.4 guy, gets hurt, and now he is a tiny outside linebacker that isn't even fast enough to be a safety.  my impression is they wanted bigger outside linebackers and smaller, quicker inside guys.  I would think brookins is no where near big enough to ever be anything other than a situational outside linebacker.  maybe a third down guy that can cover running backs.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:33 PM

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RandallStation wrote: I like that Fumagalli is 6'5 and now up to 246, he could be a weapon.  Also, Biegel up around 245 should be scary good.
Those two weights are ideal.  Beasts, both of them.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:37 PM

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Fumagalli seemed to be an impressive receiver in the spring. The added weight should help him be a complete TE at this level. Exciting.


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RandallStation wrote: I like that Fumagalli is 6'5 and now up to 246, he could be a weapon.  Also, Biegel up around 245 should be scary good.
Those two weights are ideal.  Beasts, both of them.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:07 PM

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Here is one quantifiable strength comparison from your list.

Here is a video posted on youtube by Brookfield East's strength coach showing Alec James benching 225x19 in February of his senior year.  That would be 18 more reps than Erasmus and he has put on at least 20 lbs since then.

...James weighed 210 pounds when he was recruited from McArthur High School in Pembroke Pines, Fla., and was a speed rusher who could bench press 225 pounds just one time -- and barely, at that. ...

EJ passed on the bench press at the NFL combine.
BadgerRedd1 wrote: While I understand that we won't know until the season but, it seems like the Badgers have lost the battle at the LOS against the "better teams" in recent years so, is downsizing a positive? Are the players stronger than the players who dominated at the LOS? ( think Burke, Bryant, Watt, Erasmus James on D and Thomas, Gibson, Konz, Carimi etc... too many OL players to mention all of them) Is the S&C coach an upgrade over previous coaches? On Wisconsin !!


Impressive BP numbers now the question is can he (or anyone) be as disruptive as Erasmus was as a Badger?(or any of the other of my DL examples) Totally agree that the D seemed a step or 2 slow against the better teams, but MSU, OSU(both of them) Stanford just seemed more physical than Wisconsin in their wins over the Badgers. Just my opinion. On Wisconsin !!


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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:09 PM

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Looking at the names on this list prompted me to look at the 2013 commit list....that class has the chance to really be special. McEvoy, James, Obasih, Clement, Shelton, Jacobs, and Wheelwright are all in line to either start or at least majorly contribute to the team in just their second year at UW. The class has had its fair share of attrition already, but overall it's shaping up to be pretty damn good. Too bad they couldn't keep Marcus Ball.frown

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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:53 PM

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potrykus wrote:
NewerBreed wrote: Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
They moved Herring to DE for the spring game.

No. 1 line that day was: Herring, Goldberg and Zagzebski.

No. 2 line: Keefer, Gilbert and James.
Jeff, who do you predict will be our starting inside linebackers?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:00 PM

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Zags(280), Goldberg(290), and Herring(283) make up a good sized athletic DL.  Both Zags and Herring are quicker than last  years DE(Dippel and Muldoon), have the size to hold the run and have shown the ability to penetrate and make plays.  Goldberg is a A gap stuffer and If Patterson can get half the snaps and applys some penetration pressure we could have something.  I like Obasih(268) as primary DE rotation as he is very quick and  Alec James(259) as pass rush specialist.  Passing situations expect Herring back at nose w James and Obasih at DE. 
potrykus wrote:
NewerBreed wrote: Zach, you mentioned Chikwe is currently penciled in as a starter.  In reference to another DL spot, I am curious about Arthur Goldberg's status in the  DL.  I have seen POSTS about Goldberg moving ahead of Gilbert (who has obviously left school) in the depth chart.  Is that an accurate statement or is simply some poster's speculation?
zheilprin wrote:
OlBadger wrote: OK, could some more knowledgeable person help me understand the implications? According to this table, four ILBs and a S have moved OLB, an OLB and a S to ILB, and two CBs to S. I interpret the last move as getting faster guys to the S position, but do we have still faster ones at CB, and if so who? Who's picking up those ILB spots? Just curious.

Name
Old Pos.
New Pos.
Matt Austin (FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Keelon Brookins (RS FR)
Safety
Outside linebacker
Jack Cichy (SO)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Leon Jacobs (SO)
Outside linebacker
Inside linebacker
Peniel Jean (SR)
Cornerback
Safety
A.J. Jordan (JR)
Cornerback
Safety
Carl Miller (RS FR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Joe Schobert (JR)
Inside linebacker
Outside linebacker
Michael Trotter (SR)
Safety
Inside linebacker
Just to clarify:

A.J. Jordan was a WR, they moved him to CB during bowl prep and then to safety during spring ball. Injuries forced him back to WR for the last half of spring, but he has since returned to safety.

Joe Schobert played outside last year but was moved inside in the winter. The coaches moved him back and forth during spring but believe his best position is OLB.
They moved Herring to DE for the spring game.

No. 1 line that day was: Herring, Goldberg and Zagzebski.

No. 2 line: Keefer, Gilbert and James.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:38 PM

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mbadger wrote:
potrykus wrote:
CloudsOfDust wrote: Anyone surprised by Brookins move to OLB? I know GA wants a fast defense, but an OLB at 209 sure seems small to me.
He played OLB in the spring. Not fast enough for S but fast enough for LB.
wow.  he was viewed as a 4.4 guy, gets hurt, and now he is a tiny outside linebacker that isn't even fast enough to be a safety.  my impression is they wanted bigger outside linebackers and smaller, quicker inside guys.  I would think brookins is no where near big enough to ever be anything other than a situational outside linebacker.  maybe a third down guy that can cover running backs.

Was he viewed as a 4.4 guy after the two knee surgeries?

They want safeties who can run. Brookins no longer fits that bill. So their MO, which Aranda has talked about, is to take guys like Brookins, add a few pounds and move them up a position (S to OLB) to get them on the field.
"Nobody has defended (Ray) Rice. TGP and PH are trying to perpetuate a myth. They don't have a reading comprehension problem. They are simply idiots." - Kowitzc on 7/31/14 during a debate about domestic violence.

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