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Which Coach Has The Most To Prove And Biggest Opportunity?

Posted: 7/4/2014 7:02 PM

Which Coach Has The Most To Prove And Biggest Opportunity? 


Both coordinators have their work cut-out for them.

Ludwig?  Seasoned veteran known to work well with just about any type of offense, a mostly green and unproven group of WRs, and two very different QBs.  Can Wisconsin consistently win without a passing threat and scheming to a mobile QB?

Aranda?   Young cerebral defensive mind who favors a somewhat complex 3-4 scheme, the complexity of which was embarrassingly exposed last season by Penn State, and must replace the entire front 7.  Can he dumb it down?  Can this crop of DBs hold up given the questions up front?

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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:24 AM

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Interesting point about the two styles of QBs.  It's tough to see your coaching staff go all-in on a QB-running offense (spread option or some variant) when the backup can't play that style. 

LSU has had that problem for several years where the top 2 QBs had different styles, and it's made for a bit of a schizophrenic feel to the offense with a little bit of each included (other than last year where Mett was clearly the top dog).

I'm interested to see other Wisconsin fans' takes on this.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 12:51 PM

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I say Coach Aranda, the defense has been a weakness for years especially against any team that can throw. He went winless last year against all quality offenses and his D was horrid vs Penn St. And that was a senior dominated defense. 2nd year of his system, let's see if the D is improved. On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/5/2014 1:37 PM

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It is easily Coach Aranda.....just watched he PSU game replayed on BTN. 

Lose to LSU and that is 3 straight losses. 
BadgerRedd1 wrote: I say Coach Aranda, the defense has been a weakness for years especially against any team that can throw. He went winless last year against all quality offenses and his D was horrid vs Penn St. And that was a senior dominated defense. 2nd year of his system, let's see if the D is improved. On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:29 PM

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BadgerRedd1 wrote: I say Coach Aranda, the defense has been a weakness for years especially against any team that can throw. He went winless last year against all quality offenses and his D was horrid vs Penn St. And that was a senior dominated defense. 2nd year of his system, let's see if the D is improved. On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:31 PM

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jessicaonwisconsin wrote: It is easily Coach Aranda.....just watched he PSU game replayed on BTN. 


That's the kind of game you watch only to hope for a miracle which never comes.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:30 PM

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BAJJERFAN wrote:
 
That's the kind of game you watch only to hope for a miracle which never comes.



Exactly! Why would any Badger fan watch a game they knew we'd lost? noidea
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Posted: 7/5/2014 6:44 PM

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OlBadger wrote:
BAJJERFAN wrote:
 
That's the kind of game you watch only to hope for a miracle which never comes.



Exactly! Why would any Badger fan watch a game they knew we'd lost? noidea
I had those same feelings during the original broadcast too. I continued to watch knowing full well it was likely hopeless. It's highly unusual for me to watch even part of a game that we ended up losing.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 10:12 PM

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Aranda. Not sure how good he is.Hopefully his second year is much better versus average or above average offenses.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:12 PM

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it will be hard to tell how good aranda is until they get some more talent their, especially across the d-line. guys that can get to the qb make coaches look good. don't know if we have any of those guys?

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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:38 PM

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sharidoogie wrote:

it will be hard to tell how good aranda is until they get some more talent their, especially across the d-line. guys that can get to the qb make coaches look good. don't know if we have any of those guys?

Yeah, hard to judge him based on the talent and performance of personnel recruited by other staffs.

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Posted: 7/6/2014 3:58 PM

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I posted this video a few weeks ago but I think it is a good preview of the new D.  Vince Biegel predicts that under Aranda, "Guys that can get to the passer are the guys who will be playing this year."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bpqu_bwEyo
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:29 PM

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sharidoogie wrote:

it will be hard to tell how good aranda is until they get some more talent their, especially across the d-line. guys that can get to the qb make coaches look good. don't know if we have any of those guys?

I can't agree with that. There was plenty of talent & a ton of experience on D last year. I do think it's fair to say that the type of athlete they had didn't match up with the style they wanted at a number of positions & that should be taken into consideration. 

On the whole, I can't help but conclude that they rushed the transition defensively both as a scheme as well as with some of the individuals. Obviously it's hindsight & I wouldn't for a second argue that Aranda & the defensive staff should be on the hot seat or anything like that. But I think the defense last year performs better had they run more of the 4-3 scheme they were recruited & trained for years to play. Hemer was a non-factor all year. The weight loss seemed to mean less push, less strength without any significant increase in explosion. I think he's have had a more productive year staying at DT and rotating in with Allen than dropping all that weight (35 pounds!) and playing outside. Similarly, with Kelly, I think at DE he'd have done a fine job setting the edge, been a terror getting after the QB and not been exposed in coverage. Though I think he improved greatly in that as they year rolled on, and I absolutely would not criticize the effort or commitment to do whatever they could to help the team, I think both he and Hemer were square pegs forced into round holes. 

Again - easy to say after the fact - but I think they made the wrong call with the personnel they had. All that said, can't wait to see what he can do with guys who are a better fit to his scheme & with another year working with him.

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Posted: 7/6/2014 5:21 PM

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multimed wrote:
sharidoogie wrote:

it will be hard to tell how good aranda is until they get some more talent their, especially across the d-line. guys that can get to the qb make coaches look good. don't know if we have any of those guys?

I can't agree with that. There was plenty of talent & a ton of experience on D last year. I do think it's fair to say that the type of athlete they had didn't match up with the style they wanted at a number of positions & that should be taken into consideration. 

On the whole, I can't help but conclude that they rushed the transition defensively both as a scheme as well as with some of the individuals. Obviously it's hindsight & I wouldn't for a second argue that Aranda & the defensive staff should be on the hot seat or anything like that. But I think the defense last year performs better had they run more of the 4-3 scheme they were recruited & trained for years to play. Hemer was a non-factor all year. The weight loss seemed to mean less push, less strength without any significant increase in explosion. I think he's have had a more productive year staying at DT and rotating in with Allen than dropping all that weight (35 pounds!) and playing outside. Similarly, with Kelly, I think at DE he'd have done a fine job setting the edge, been a terror getting after the QB and not been exposed in coverage. Though I think he improved greatly in that as they year rolled on, and I absolutely would not criticize the effort or commitment to do whatever they could to help the team, I think both he and Hemer were square pegs forced into round holes. 

Again - easy to say after the fact - but I think they made the wrong call with the personnel they had. All that said, can't wait to see what he can do with guys who are a better fit to his scheme & with another year working with him.
You do realize that Kelly's stats did not suffer, in fact were better, even though he was platooned (as was most of the defensive front 7) throughout the season. I do agree that Hemer probably would have been better in a 4-3 as a DT.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 7:18 PM

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I was actually impressed with Coach Aranda last year, for the most part we knew what the defenses weaknesses were last year and it just wasn't attacked by opposing offenses until Penn State and South Carolina truly exploited it. I'm comfortable with him leading the defense.

I need to see more from Coach Ludwig. I want to see him develop a passing game. Defensive coordinators know exactly who to key on right now because the offense doesn't have much else. I want to see how he makes this offense work.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:12 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote: 
You do realize that Kelly's stats did not suffer, in fact were better, even though he was platooned (as was most of the defensive front 7) throughout the season. I do agree that Hemer probably would have been better in a 4-3 as a DT.
The front 7 was heavily platooned the year before as well - no idea what the snap counts looked like, but if I were to guess, I'd say they were rotated even more. They used to do what looked like hockey line shifts. So I don't think that really had much of an effect on stats. I thought Kelly was the best pass rusher in '12 - and just an opinion, but I think if he stays at DE, he puts up double-digit sacks in '13. And like I said - though I think a lot of the criticism about him in coverage was overblown and he improved tremendously, early on, he was absolutely beaten. 

I do think the staff did a very good job with with the transition - I'll admit, I was way off the mark & I never thought they'd change so drastically in year one. And presumably, doing it that way means that the guys still there will be that much further along this year. That said, I think with so many Seniors up front, changing so extensively so fast - aside from the new fits - the fact that it was only one year & then gone for so many of them makes me question it.

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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:37 PM

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multimed wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote: 
You do realize that Kelly's stats did not suffer, in fact were better, even though he was platooned (as was most of the defensive front 7) throughout the season. I do agree that Hemer probably would have been better in a 4-3 as a DT.
The front 7 was heavily platooned the year before as well - no idea what the snap counts looked like, but if I were to guess, I'd say they were rotated even more. They used to do what looked like hockey line shifts. So I don't think that really had much of an effect on stats. I thought Kelly was the best pass rusher in '12 - and just an opinion, but I think if he stays at DE, he puts up double-digit sacks in '13. And like I said - though I think a lot of the criticism about him in coverage was overblown and he improved tremendously, early on, he was absolutely beaten. 

I do think the staff did a very good job with with the transition - I'll admit, I was way off the mark & I never thought they'd change so drastically in year one. And presumably, doing it that way means that the guys still there will be that much further along this year. That said, I think with so many Seniors up front, changing so extensively so fast - aside from the new fits - the fact that it was only one year & then gone for so many of them makes me question it.
That is exactly what I thought of last season's. In fact, if you remember, we got burned a couple of times because the team didn't get on the field and set fast enough. I agree with Kelly's pass rush, but he still was effective sacking the QB as often as in 2012 while playing what amounts to a stand up DE. He did force 3 fumbles from that position and broke up 2 passes and had the 2nd most tackles for loss on the team. Stats that bettered the previous season.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 9:52 PM

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Rushed? You don't wait to transition. You start teaching and implementing right away. It is about the younger players. It is now year two in the system.

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sharidoogie wrote:it will be hard to tell how good aranda is until they get some more talent their, especially across the d-line. guys that can get to the qb make coaches look good. don't know if we have any of those guys?

I can't agree with that. There was plenty of talent & a ton of experience on D last year. I do think it's fair to say that the type of athlete they had didn't match up with the style they wanted at a number of positions & that should be taken into consideration. 

On the whole, I can't help but conclude that they rushed the transition defensively both as a scheme as well as with some of the individuals. Obviously it's hindsight & I wouldn't for a second argue that Aranda & the defensive staff should be on the hot seat or anything like that. But I think the defense last year performs better had they run more of the 4-3 scheme they were recruited & trained for years to play. Hemer was a non-factor all year. The weight loss seemed to mean less push, less strength without any significant increase in explosion. I think he's have had a more productive year staying at DT and rotating in with Allen than dropping all that weight (35 pounds!) and playing outside. Similarly, with Kelly, I think at DE he'd have done a fine job setting the edge, been a terror getting after the QB and not been exposed in coverage. Though I think he improved greatly in that as they year rolled on, and I absolutely would not criticize the effort or commitment to do whatever they could to help the team, I think both he and Hemer were square pegs forced into round holes. 

Again - easy to say after the fact - but I think they made the wrong call with the personnel they had. All that said, can't wait to see what he can do with guys who are a better fit to his scheme & with another year working with him.

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Posted: 7/7/2014 11:18 AM

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Since coach Aranda is changing to a more aggressive, smaller(slightly), faster(hopefully)defense, I'm not sure that he has enough of those types of players to fill out a 2-deep roster.  If we do see more 3-4, then LB is going to be a position were we need to see impact players, both outside and inside.  Depending on how young DL like James, Obasih, Goldberg, Patterson, Sheehy, Hirshfield pan out, it would appear there's the makings of a decent rotation upfront.  The staff has added quite a few DBs, both corners and safeties.  Can they produce vs. top competition?  Right now, who can tell?  Adding some stud LBers(ie: having a Borland inside and a O'Brien Schofield outside at the same time...) to those recruited last year would really give me hope that this D can become what we hope it can.

Coach Ludwig needs to develop his QBs.  He is both the OC and the QBs position coach.  He needs to coach them up to perform at a high level by their 2nd or 3rd year, not their 4th or 5th.  I'm talking about Gillins, Kafentzis and ???   That will go a long way to helping him as the OC.  If he can continue the program's image as a power running attack w/AA level RBs and OL AND add a better, more dangerous passing game, he will help this program take the step up to a level we all have anticipated it becoming.

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Posted: 7/7/2014 11:53 AM

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On Ludwig, don't you mean a return to what Paul Chryst accomplished with Tolzein and Wilson?    Still think that the QB decision will be all about what happens in the development of those many receivers.  If a couple of WRs emerge as reliable sure-handed route-runners, Stave has an edge if he is healthy.  If not, TM has an edge.  That McEvoy is being given such an extended opportunity tells me that there is still not a lot of confidence in that.

With either Coordinator, their job is to design schemes that put the personnel they have in the best positions to succeed, scheming to the personnel on hand, not to projected starters in years out or what they would like to do in future!  Aranda (and Andersen by extension) made a costly misstep last season on that account.  

Brumus wrote:

Since coach Aranda is changing to a more aggressive, smaller(slightly), faster(hopefully)defense, I'm not sure that he has enough of those types of players to fill out a 2-deep roster.  If we do see more 3-4, then LB is going to be a position were we need to see impact players, both outside and inside.  Depending on how young DL like James, Obasih, Goldberg, Patterson, Sheehy, Hirshfield pan out, it would appear there's the makings of a decent rotation upfront.  The staff has added quite a few DBs, both corners and safeties.  Can they produce vs. top competition?  Right now, who can tell?  Adding some stud LBers(ie: having a Borland inside and a O'Brien Schofield outside at the same time...) to those recruited last year would really give me hope that this D can become what we hope it can.

Coach Ludwig needs to develop his QBs.  He is both the OC and the QBs position coach.  He needs to coach them up to perform at a high level by their 2nd or 3rd year, not their 4th or 5th.  I'm talking about Gillins, Kafentzis and ???   That will go a long way to helping him as the OC.  If he can continue the program's image as a power running attack w/AA level RBs and OL AND add a better, more dangerous passing game, he will help this program take the step up to a level we all have anticipated it becoming.

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Posted: 7/7/2014 12:51 PM

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TheNewRed wrote:

On Ludwig, don't you mean a return to what Paul Chryst accomplished with Tolzein and Wilson?    Still think that the QB decision will be all about what happens in the development of those many receivers.  If a couple of WRs emerge as reliable sure-handed route-runners, Stave has an edge if he is healthy.  If not, TM has an edge.  That McEvoy is being given such an extended opportunity tells me that there is still not a lot of confidence in that.

With either Coordinator, their job is to design schemes that put the personnel they have in the best positions to succeed, scheming to the personnel on hand, not to projected starters in years out or what they would like to do in future!  Aranda (and Andersen by extension) made a costly misstep last season on that account.  

Brumus wrote:

Since coach Aranda is changing to a more aggressive, smaller(slightly), faster(hopefully)defense, I'm not sure that he has enough of those types of players to fill out a 2-deep roster.  If we do see more 3-4, then LB is going to be a position were we need to see impact players, both outside and inside.  Depending on how young DL like James, Obasih, Goldberg, Patterson, Sheehy, Hirshfield pan out, it would appear there's the makings of a decent rotation upfront.  The staff has added quite a few DBs, both corners and safeties.  Can they produce vs. top competition?  Right now, who can tell?  Adding some stud LBers(ie: having a Borland inside and a O'Brien Schofield outside at the same time...) to those recruited last year would really give me hope that this D can become what we hope it can.

Coach Ludwig needs to develop his QBs.  He is both the OC and the QBs position coach.  He needs to coach them up to perform at a high level by their 2nd or 3rd year, not their 4th or 5th.  I'm talking about Gillins, Kafentzis and ???   That will go a long way to helping him as the OC.  If he can continue the program's image as a power running attack w/AA level RBs and OL AND add a better, more dangerous passing game, he will help this program take the step up to a level we all have anticipated it becoming.

Exactly how costly was it? We couldn't defend against a good passer in 2012 and as I remember lost 6 games.. Our D stunk up the place defending the pass in the spring. What games did we lose in the fall? The ones where we couldn't defend against the pass. And just how many did we lose? 4. Aranda's misstep or unsuccessful recruiting from years past? I tend to believe he played with the hand he was dealt. The results being what should have been expected.

Please keep in mind, we were rated 7th in the country in total defense last year. So even with the soft schedule, Aranda must have done some things right.

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Posted: 7/7/2014 5:46 PM

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I'm sure that 7th ranked senior dominated defense was helped immensely by the woeful offenses they faced last season. Remember how highly ranked they were after starting the season with 2 shutouts? Then they played a decent team in ASU and gave up more than 30 points(Grice had 4 rushing TDs). In fact, in every loss the opposing team scored over 30 points, hardly the result expected from a 7th ranked defense. The OP asked which Coach has a great opportunity to strengthen the team and if Coach Aranda can get his defense to shutdown the better teams on the schedule, I think that will be the biggest reason whether the Badgers are successful, let's see whether he can improve the D. On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/7/2014 9:10 PM

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Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 8:55 AM

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Intlbadger wrote: Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.
Just a thoughtful tip, but if you don't like fans' conjecture, or hypothesizing about where to improve, what's wrong/good with a program, what they would do, and general bantering of ideas, you just may want to stay away from message boards.  It's kinda what they're here for, no?  And to answer some of your questions, no, there isn't hardly any, if ANYONE, on this board that meets your above criteria.  Doesn't stop fans from having opinions, though.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 11:18 AM

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BadgerRedd1 wrote: I say Coach Aranda, the defense has been a weakness for years especially against any team that can throw. He went winless last year against all quality offenses and his D was horrid vs Penn St. And that was a senior dominated defense. 2nd year of his system, let's see if the D is improved. On Wisconsin !!
Defense has been a bigger problem for UW over the years when matched up against more elite teams.  That being said, Aranda has to be able to get players into the program that fit the scheme he wants to run which wasn't the case last year.  Position switching during last Spring practices and the type of players they are recruiting shows they are looking to add speed and playmaking ability.
I think you can throw the Penn State game out the window because if ever a UW team showed up not ready to play a football game, this was it.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:02 PM

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IMO....there's a big difference between having an opinion/asking questions.....and taking the 'authoritative tone' Intlbadger mentions.

The former can foster good fan discussion....the latter just makes you sound like an irrational a**.


sudsmcbucky wrote:
Intlbadger wrote: Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.
Just a thoughtful tip, but if you don't like fans' conjecture, or hypothesizing about where to improve, what's wrong/good with a program, what they would do, and general bantering of ideas, you just may want to stay away from message boards.  It's kinda what they're here for, no?  And to answer some of your questions, no, there isn't hardly any, if ANYONE, on this board that meets your above criteria.  Doesn't stop fans from having opinions, though.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:14 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: IMO....there's a big difference between having an opinion/asking questions.....and taking the 'authoritative tone' Intlbadger mentions.

The former can foster good fan discussion....the latter just makes you sound like an irrational a**.


sudsmcbucky wrote:
Intlbadger wrote: Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.
Just a thoughtful tip, but if you don't like fans' conjecture, or hypothesizing about where to improve, what's wrong/good with a program, what they would do, and general bantering of ideas, you just may want to stay away from message boards.  It's kinda what they're here for, no?  And to answer some of your questions, no, there isn't hardly any, if ANYONE, on this board that meets your above criteria.  Doesn't stop fans from having opinions, though.

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Posted: 7/8/2014 6:57 PM

Re: Which Coach Has The Most To Prove And Biggest Opportunity? 



sudsmcbucky wrote:
Intlbadger wrote: Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.
Just a thoughtful tip, but if you don't like fans' conjecture, or hypothesizing about where to improve, what's wrong/good with a program, what they would do, and general bantering of ideas, you just may want to stay away from message boards.  It's kinda what they're here for, no?  And to answer some of your questions, no, there isn't hardly any, if ANYONE, on this board that meets your above criteria.  Doesn't stop fans from having opinions, though.
A discussion about where to improve, or what's good/wrong about a program is a great thing' dependent upon the spirit in which the discussion ensues.  When it has the air of "banter" or "authoritative" all it leads to is a focus of the negative or what hasn't been done - as seen in the eyes of someone who only sees a game.  In this sense, any board that prefers banter over sensible discussion should be avoided, and threads like this banter and conjecture test my patience for sensible discussion regarding the team I love.
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Posted: 7/8/2014 7:12 PM

Re: Which Coach Has The Most To Prove And Biggest Opportunity? 



Intlbadger wrote:
sudsmcbucky wrote:
Intlbadger wrote: Wow.  Judging from the authoritative tone taken in some of the posts one would think that there are a lot of DIV 1 coaches offering their comments on Badger Nation.  Either that, or a lot of armchair quarterbacks sound like complete ignoramuses in their ability to diagnose the failures of said coordinators in their first season at UW, then offer proscriptions for what needs to be done for the upcoming season.  Which of you has seen summer workouts, or the playbook given to the players for year 2014?  Which of you have seen the jumps the players have made, been around the players long enough to determine where their focus is?  Who of you has spent any time whatsoever in the coach's war room during this time of no contact? 

How do any of us know what work is cut-out for the coordinators for the upcoming season.  By the way, WTF is a young cerebral mind who favors a complex 3-4 scheme?  I gather it's not better than a Wisconsin local's narrow-mind who cant deal with complexity or change for that matter.  Get a [insert preferred expletive here] life.  Posts like these are evidence many fans want to enter a time loop wherein Chryst and whatever D-coordinator had roots to Wisconsin run the same schemes ad infinitum.  That's not growth, but will lead to stagnation, boredom, and even lower recruiting campaigns.
Just a thoughtful tip, but if you don't like fans' conjecture, or hypothesizing about where to improve, what's wrong/good with a program, what they would do, and general bantering of ideas, you just may want to stay away from message boards.  It's kinda what they're here for, no?  And to answer some of your questions, no, there isn't hardly any, if ANYONE, on this board that meets your above criteria.  Doesn't stop fans from having opinions, though.
A discussion about where to improve, or what's good/wrong about a program is a great thing' dependent upon the spirit in which the discussion ensues.  When it has the air of "banter" or "authoritative" all it leads to is a focus of the negative or what hasn't been done - as seen in the eyes of someone who only sees a game.  In this sense, any board that prefers banter over sensible discussion should be avoided, and threads like this banter and conjecture test my patience for sensible discussion regarding the team I love.
Quite honestly, I see very few posts in THIS thread that that take on an authoritative air. The OP asked opinions, and the respondents gave theirs and their supporting reasons. Pretty harmless, really.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 7:33 AM

Re: Which Coach Has The Most To Prove And Biggest Opportunity? 


Childish histrionics aside, I think this is a very fair and reasonable question heading into season 2 of the Andersen era. Obviously my opinion is that Aranda has the greater opportunity. I also think it is a very reasonable take-away from that Penn State game that Aranda's scheme was exposed in that game. It was not so much that players were not prepared to play as it was that PSU exposed the scheme's weaknesses (a lack of speed and depth) and there were few if any defensive adjustments available. South Carolina followed the blueprint laid out by PSU. The adjustments were not available because Aranda did not have the personnel available to make them. I think it might have been a more reasonable tactic last season (and maybe this) to delay implementation of that attacking style and 3-4 alignments until there are the the athletes to play it.

As much attention as is paid here to the Stave-McEvoy decision on offense, I believe that how Aranda adapts to a very inexperienced front 7 will be the tale of the season. He does not have the defensive equivalent of Gordon and the running game available to him - something which makes Ludwig's job somewhat easier IMO.

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