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Top 3 position concerns in '14

Posted: 7/2/2014 3:22 PM

Top 3 position concerns in '14 


Mine:

1. WR's - little experience or production. I think we've seen Doe's ceiling, need Wheelwright and a couple of Freshmen to step up.

2. QB - Stave makes some beautiful passes but misses wide open guys - or doesn't see them. I thought he would progress in the same manner as MSU's Cook but it hasn't happened yet.  I really hoped Houston was the answer but that doesn't appear to be the case. 1 & 2 are linked, obviously, and need each other to step up.

3. DL - talent is there, just need experience.

No wrong answers here, have at it!!!
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:15 PM

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1. QB, 2. Entire D, 3. WR

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was expectedly inconsistent last year.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:00 PM

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Passing game is the biggest concern to me.

I saw McEvoy working with Fredrick and Doe (I think) yesterday inside CR. Be great if a few guys really made strides over the summer.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:47 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was not unexpectedly inconsistent last year.
Who is the best passing Wisconsin plays in 2014?  Maryland?  LSU will always be very talented at the skill positions, but they are breaking in a new quarterback (whether it be Harris or Jennings) and new receivers (Beckham Jr. and Landry now in the NFL).  To be honest, I'm not sure Wisconsin plays an offense that can be deemed a 'good pass game' at this juncture.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:19 PM

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hoopsgalore wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was not unexpectedly inconsistent last year.
Who is the best passing Wisconsin plays in 2014?  Maryland?  LSU will always be very talented at the skill positions, but they are breaking in a new quarterback (whether it be Harris or Jennings) and new receivers (Beckham Jr. and Landry now in the NFL).  To be honest, I'm not sure Wisconsin plays an offense that can be deemed a 'good pass game' at this juncture.
Ohio State in the Big10 CCG. tongue Seriously, I worry about the defense more than the offense. The OL (if healthy) is the best in the Big10, and so are the RBs. The running game can take a mediocre passing game to a much better level when teams stack 9 in the box. The defense may struggle against the run and the pass (losing Allen and Borland up the middle will sting). Of course, the FG unit is also a concern based on the Spring Game...generally ugly attempts in that game.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:55 PM

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1) QB

2) DL

3) WR

We won't play a super passing attack probably all year that can beat us alone. We HAVE to be able to stop the run. LSU will test us early. If we can't stop the run we will get blown out by them and likely take on 4 or more losses on the season. If we can stop the run adequately, then we can be competitive in every game. Get higher production out of the QB (make throws when they present themselves), and have at least 1 wr step up to 30 catches level and be a go to guy somewhat and we can win 10 or more games.

To me, the QB can't turn it over and hurt us (TM) and they can't miss makeable throws (JS). That, coupled with the DL stopping the run are my 2 big concerns. I feel good we will develop more pressure from the D in passing situations and that will help the secondary for sure. I feel decent about running the ball with the OL and the 2 backs.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 12:51 AM

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1. WR - Doesn't matter who the QB is, if we have no WR's that can get open and catch the ball.

2. QB - Most important position. Still up in the air. Stave has been up and down and TM is an enigma. How far can either of them take us?

3. CB - Will be a weakness till some kids step up. Shelton is close but I'm unsure of the other CB. And who will be the other safety with Caputo?
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Posted: 7/3/2014 8:23 AM

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hoopsgalore wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was not unexpectedly inconsistent last year.
Who is the best passing Wisconsin plays in 2014?  Maryland?  LSU will always be very talented at the skill positions, but they are breaking in a new quarterback (whether it be Harris or Jennings) and new receivers (Beckham Jr. and Landry now in the NFL).  To be honest, I'm not sure Wisconsin plays an offense that can be deemed a 'good pass game' at this juncture.
There are teams Wisconsin plays that the Badgers should beat without having to worry about their passing game but I'm getting tired of losing key games and especially Bowl games because our DBs keep getting abused by QBs like Kelly, Miller, Hackenberg, Shaw and their receivers.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:05 AM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was not unexpectedly inconsistent last year.
Who is the best passing Wisconsin plays in 2014?  Maryland?  LSU will always be very talented at the skill positions, but they are breaking in a new quarterback (whether it be Harris or Jennings) and new receivers (Beckham Jr. and Landry now in the NFL).  To be honest, I'm not sure Wisconsin plays an offense that can be deemed a 'good pass game' at this juncture.
There are teams Wisconsin plays that the Badgers should beat without having to worry about their passing game but I'm getting tired of losing key games and especially Bowl games because our DBs keep getting abused by QBs like Kelly, Miller, Hackenberg, Shaw and their receivers.
No disagreement here.  Would love to see our secondary not get lit up by the caliber of the QBs we played in 2013.  It is a little tiresome.  

However, with respect to our 2014 schedule, I just don't see any teams with the quarterback play close to the four you mentioned.  That could change once the season gets underway.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:47 AM

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hoopsgalore wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
hoopsgalore wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:

Until they can show me that they can defend against a good pass game DBs are a part of my top 3. Even IF we have Shelton back there who was not unexpectedly inconsistent last year.
Who is the best passing Wisconsin plays in 2014?  Maryland?  LSU will always be very talented at the skill positions, but they are breaking in a new quarterback (whether it be Harris or Jennings) and new receivers (Beckham Jr. and Landry now in the NFL).  To be honest, I'm not sure Wisconsin plays an offense that can be deemed a 'good pass game' at this juncture.
There are teams Wisconsin plays that the Badgers should beat without having to worry about their passing game but I'm getting tired of losing key games and especially Bowl games because our DBs keep getting abused by QBs like Kelly, Miller, Hackenberg, Shaw and their receivers.
No disagreement here.  Would love to see our secondary not get lit up by the caliber of the QBs we played in 2013.  It is a little tiresome.  

However, with respect to our 2014 schedule, I just don't see any teams with the quarterback play close to the four you mentioned.  That could change once the season gets underway.
Well, there's a very good likelihood that the Badgers will face one at least in a Bowl game and hopefully the B1G championship game.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 2:35 PM

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1: QB
2: LB
3: WR

With no passing threat, the ground game is going to struggle against the better defenses. We lost our best LBs coupled with a weaker DL and, oh my, those DBs... The question becomes if this edition of the Badgers can stop anyone with a pulse often enough and score enough points to win with any consistency.  Highly doubt Badgers get to meet anyone with a great passing game in Indy because they will not be able to handle Iowa, Nebraska and quite possible Minnesota or Northwestern

Admire the optimism but put on your seat belts folks.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 3:54 PM

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1. Entire Defense: They're scary. Lack of a pass rush from the DL puts the DBs in a bad situation. DBs can't play man. LBs are unproven. Yikes...... It could work out, but if it does the coaches deserve a ton of credit.

2. WR: They had one legitimate threat last year and he's gone.

3. QB:  I think that this could work out OK if the receivers show anything. That may be a long shot.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:12 PM

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UW looks to be a favorite in every B1G game. A division title wouldn't seem to require an exceptional amount of optimism


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1: QB
2: LB
3: WR

With no passing threat, the ground game is going to struggle against the better defenses. We lost our best LBs coupled with a weaker DL and, oh my, those DBs... The question becomes if this edition of the Badgers can stop anyone with a pulse often enough and score enough points to win with any consistency.  Highly doubt Badgers get to meet anyone with a great passing game in Indy because they will not be able to handle Iowa, Nebraska and quite possible Minnesota or Northwestern

Admire the optimism but put on your seat belts folks.



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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:16 PM

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1. QB - because it's the critical position for the offense. 

2. OL - Wisconsin relies on a great offensive line to be effective on that side of the ball. This is the least impressed I've been with the UW O-line in 5 years.   If the offense can control the ball, the pressure on the defense will be greatly eased.

3. WR & TE - Someone has to catch passes, or we're dead.  I almost dropped this one out since pass receiver is about the easiest position for a true freshman to excel at and we've recruited several.


I understand why the defense might look thin because of all the graduations suffered last year, but I love the current group of linebackers and feel the backs will be OK. I do have concerns over the D-line. It would be nice to have a proven disruptive force there. Right now it's hard to see where that will come from.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:59 PM

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For me the only concern is the D, I can't remember the last time the defense was able to shut down a good offense, mainly because their inability to stop the pass. As far as the QB/WR situation the Badgers won a Rose Bowl with Mike Samuel at QB, because of a great RB and OL, similar to this year. Time for Coach Aranda and the D to step up and become a force. On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/3/2014 6:17 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: UW looks to be a favorite in every B1G game. A division title wouldn't seem to require an exceptional amount of optimism


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--- TheNewRed wrote:

1: QB
2: LB
3: WR

With no passing threat, the ground game is going to struggle against the better defenses. We lost our best LBs coupled with a weaker DL and, oh my, those DBs... The question becomes if this edition of the Badgers can stop anyone with a pulse often enough and score enough points to win with any consistency.  Highly doubt Badgers get to meet anyone with a great passing game in Indy because they will not be able to handle Iowa, Nebraska and quite possible Minnesota or Northwestern

Admire the optimism but put on your seat belts folks.



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I, too, believe there might be too much optimism in support of a team replacing almost its entire D because it's playing a very soft schedule.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:20 PM

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BigAppleBucky wrote: 1. QB - because it's the critical position for the offense. 

2. OL - Wisconsin relies on a great offensive line to be effective on that side of the ball. This is the least impressed I've been with the UW O-line in 5 years.   If the offense can control the ball, the pressure on the defense will be greatly eased.

3. WR & TE - Someone has to catch passes, or we're dead.  I almost dropped this one out since pass receiver is about the easiest position for a true freshman to excel at and we've recruited several.


I understand why the defense might look thin because of all the graduations suffered last year, but I love the current group of linebackers and feel the backs will be OK. I do have concerns over the D-line. It would be nice to have a proven disruptive force there. Right now it's hard to see where that will come from.
Really? Phil Steele had 4 of the 5 OL on his pre-season All Big10 teams, and he left off Lewallen who might be their best. Overall, he had UW as the second best OL in the country.  How can you be less impressed with this line than last year's? Marz and Voltz should be better. Havenstein, Costigan and Lewallen all have a good chance to be drafted. This could be a great line if they're healthy (especially run blocking).
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:23 PM

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The fact that the Badgers are favored now doesn't give me much comfort.

A 3.5 point favorite has about a 60% chance of winning. That means that over time they'll lose 40% of those games. Not sure what all the lines will be at game time, but any way that you do the math, 11-1 is a really, really long shot.

That's a big problem for bettors and investors. When they see what looks like favorable circumstances, they discount the possibility of the bad outcome, even if they know the real odds.

There are a number of books on the subject, especially as it relates to the financial crash in 2008.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:47 AM

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1. QB;
1.a. QB;
1.b. QB;
2. WR

Guessing we'll see some four TE sets early in the season.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:17 PM

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SULLYBEAR wrote: 1. WR - Doesn't matter who the QB is, if we have no WR's that can get open and catch the ball.

2. QB - Most important position. Still up in the air. Stave has been up and down and TM is an enigma. How far can either of them take us?

3. CB - Will be a weakness till some kids step up. Shelton is close but I'm unsure of the other CB. And who will be the other safety with Caputo?
True, good wide receivers can make a QB look better.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:18 PM

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BadgerRedd1 wrote: For me the only concern is the D, I can't remember the last time the defense was able to shut down a good offense, mainly because their inability to stop the pass. As far as the QB/WR situation the Badgers won a Rose Bowl with Mike Samuel at QB, because of a great RB and OL, similar to this year. Time for Coach Aranda and the D to step up and become a force. On Wisconsin !!
Well I hope this team's D surprises like the 1998 defensive unit did because Samuel had a lot of help from that side of the ball.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 5:46 PM

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BadgerRedd1 wrote: For me the only concern is the D, I can't remember the last time the defense was able to shut down a good offense, mainly because their inability to stop the pass. As far as the QB/WR situation the Badgers won a Rose Bowl with Mike Samuel at QB, because of a great RB and OL, similar to this year. Time for Coach Aranda and the D to step up and become a force. On Wisconsin !!
Well I hope this team's D surprises like the 1998 defensive unit did because Samuel had a lot of help from that side of the ball.

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I agree that the 1998 team's defense was a strength for that team, but the defense has been a weakness in recent years, especially against anybody that can throw. I'll trust the QB play to be better than the uneven play of the past 2 seasons, but, will the defense be improved??? On Wisconsin !!
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Posted: 7/5/2014 11:10 AM

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TexasBadger wrote: 1. QB;
1.a. QB;
1.b. QB;
2. WR

Guessing we'll see some four TE sets early in the season.
Having a shut down, pass rushing, turn over creating defense doesn't figure highly in your book apparently.  A great defense will keep you in games.  Without it, you'll never beat elite teams on any consistent basis.  I agree we need improved QB play but you can get by at the college level with a decent one more so than in the NFL.  Someone earlier mentioned Mike Samuel.  The guy never looked pretty, but UW won games with him.  Go ask Chris McIntosh why he voted for Samuel for MVP two years in a row which might be tough since CM now lives in Colorado.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 5:51 PM

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we had worst pass rush I have seen in years............... I liked Dippel and Mulddon but they are base guys, kelly? Good athlete but not a speed rusher.

Will A james be the guy? doubtful as he is young and close to 270. I think we will see schobert in certain sets as he has that burst..................

Show me a UW team with a pass rush from Burke to Alex lewis to E james ets and I will be better on back four
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:43 PM

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badgerlaw wrote:
BigAppleBucky wrote: 1. QB - because it's the critical position for the offense. 

2. OL - Wisconsin relies on a great offensive line to be effective on that side of the ball. This is the least impressed I've been with the UW O-line in 5 years.   If the offense can control the ball, the pressure on the defense will be greatly eased.

3. WR & TE - Someone has to catch passes, or we're dead.  I almost dropped this one out since pass receiver is about the easiest position for a true freshman to excel at and we've recruited several.


I understand why the defense might look thin because of all the graduations suffered last year, but I love the current group of linebackers and feel the backs will be OK. I do have concerns over the D-line. It would be nice to have a proven disruptive force there. Right now it's hard to see where that will come from.
Really? Phil Steele had 4 of the 5 OL on his pre-season All Big10 teams, and he left off Lewallen who might be their best. Overall, he had UW as the second best OL in the country.  How can you be less impressed with this line than last year's? Marz and Voltz should be better. Havenstein, Costigan and Lewallen all have a good chance to be drafted. This could be a great line if they're healthy (especially run blocking).
The first game could very well prove me wrong.  Hope it does.

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Posted: 7/11/2014 11:22 PM

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BigAppleBucky wrote:
badgerlaw wrote:
BigAppleBucky wrote: 1. QB - because it's the critical position for the offense. 

2. OL - Wisconsin relies on a great offensive line to be effective on that side of the ball. This is the least impressed I've been with the UW O-line in 5 years.   If the offense can control the ball, the pressure on the defense will be greatly eased.

3. WR & TE - Someone has to catch passes, or we're dead.  I almost dropped this one out since pass receiver is about the easiest position for a true freshman to excel at and we've recruited several.


I understand why the defense might look thin because of all the graduations suffered last year, but I love the current group of linebackers and feel the backs will be OK. I do have concerns over the D-line. It would be nice to have a proven disruptive force there. Right now it's hard to see where that will come from.
Really? Phil Steele had 4 of the 5 OL on his pre-season All Big10 teams, and he left off Lewallen who might be their best. Overall, he had UW as the second best OL in the country.  How can you be less impressed with this line than last year's? Marz and Voltz should be better. Havenstein, Costigan and Lewallen all have a good chance to be drafted. This could be a great line if they're healthy (especially run blocking).
The first game could very well prove me wrong.  Hope it does.
I'm trying to figure out why you are so down on that unit, BAB. Wisconsin set a couple of rushing records, gave up fewer sacks than any Badger team in recent history, and is returning nearly intact.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:06 AM

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This Ol will be very good. Thin depth wise so any injuries and we will see Mcevoy as stave will get killed with questionable wr play and teams pinning thier ears back after they stack box on first and 2nd down(see OSu with 9 in box all night last year unitl Abby started frying roby)

BTW, Wr is the easiest position to play early on.  I think the combo of Erickson/Wheelright will be fine. Erickson played very well late last year and we know he has decent speed as he ran stride for stride on james white's long run vs IU.

hes also very strong and all of 200ish so I think he will be an excellent blocker and third down possession guy who can get off jams and make plays in man coverage.


Doe can be trusted and can make people miss so expect him on jets, bubble screens etc

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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:52 AM

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buckyfever1 wrote:

This Ol will be very good. Thin depth wise so any injuries and we will see Mcevoy as stave will get killed with questionable wr play and teams pinning thier ears back after they stack box on first and 2nd down(see OSu with 9 in box all night last year unitl Abby started frying roby)

BTW, Wr is the easiest position to play early on.  I think the combo of Erickson/Wheelright will be fine. Erickson played very well late last year and we know he has decent speed as he ran stride for stride on james white's long run vs IU.

hes also very strong and all of 200ish so I think he will be an excellent blocker and third down possession guy who can get off jams and make plays in man coverage.


Doe can be trusted and can make people miss so expect him on jets, bubble screens etc

Agree with most everything here, fever, except for how they'll use Doe. In his career at Wisconsin, he's rushed 3 times, 2 for negative yardage, and a total of -11.5 yards. He's just too small. Bubbles would be a good option IF our QB isn't erratic and can put the ball where it is supposed to be. Receiver size for that  play generally helps there as well. IMO, playing in the slot, running slants, quick outs, and hooks are probably the best if our OL can open line of vision holes, keep the D line's hands down, and the QB can hit a short receiver on time and in stride.

In other words, pretty much how he has been used in the past. There's no doubt the guy's quick with good hands. As a receiver, his size keeps getting in the way. OCs need to completely free him so he's not physically covered up by the line, the LBs or the DB defending. Ludwig will have to get creative (use some pickswink or something) to take advantage of his skill set.

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Posted: 7/12/2014 10:04 AM

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i dont see anyone else for the jet as Gordon and CC are going to split carries like JW and MG did as gordon is not a 30 carry a game guy and CC will do what Moss did style wise, hammer a D and keep MG fresh so he can break one in late third.

Willl Doe touch it? who knows as UW, if it stays with Stave at qb needs to spread the field given it has no home run threat at wr as both wheelright and erickson are low 4.6/high 4.5 guys and unlike abby, dont have the ankle breaking double move which let abby seem like a 4.3ish guy out of his break.

Dont be surprised to see UW really struggle running ball early in the year but like omst years, when we can trust a young wr and traylor gets his feet wet( nearly as fast as Beckum imo), play action with stave or Mcevoy breaking contain will open the field up
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Posted: 7/12/2014 10:27 AM

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buckyfever1 wrote: i dont see anyone else for the jet as Gordon and CC are going to split carries like JW and MG did as gordon is not a 30 carry a game guy and CC will do what Moss did style wise, hammer a D and keep MG fresh so he can break one in late third.

Willl Doe touch it? who knows as UW, if it stays with Stave at qb needs to spread the field given it has no home run threat at wr as both wheelright and erickson are low 4.6/high 4.5 guys and unlike abby, dont have the ankle breaking double move which let abby seem like a 4.3ish guy out of his break.

Dont be surprised to see UW really struggle running ball early in the year but like omst years, when we can trust a young wr and traylor gets his feet wet( nearly as fast as Beckum imo), play action with stave or Mcevoy breaking contain will open the field up
Didn't both Gordon and White run the sweep last year? Gordon will again, and Clement has already said he's been told that he will. There will be times when both are in the backfield.  Kinlaw has also been told that they're going to give him a try running it.

Last year our pass game was ranked in the 90s and that was with Abby and his 1000+ yards receiving. It can't get much worse but it is also hard to imagine it improving much.

As for Traylor, he's running out of time. He'll be going into his 4th year in the program, and how many passes has he caught? First thing he needs to do is get on the field.
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