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RB Program Depth

Posted: 6/20/2014 11:50 AM

RB Program Depth 


Easier here. Think we need to add another RB. Guys may leave early and we need more in the pipeline. Deal and/or Ramesh could end up at FB some day as well.

Program Depth - B

RB
Senior

Junior
Gordon -
True Heisman candidate.


Sophomore
Clement

Freshmen
Ramesh - FB
Deal
Kinlaw

Recruit

FB
Senior

Junior
Watt
Straus

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Freshmen
Spurling

Recruit
Ula Tolutau - Wouldn't be surprised to see him at ILB eventually but is a load in the backfield - On a mission I believe.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:56 AM

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AS long as DEAL is the real DEAL, we're fine.

I think he is.

Power and enough speed.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:30 PM

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ajmadison wrote: AS long as DEAL is the real DEAL, we're fine.

I think he is.

Power and enough speed.
What I saw in his videos was a power straight ahead back (much like Clay) with little wiggle. Did you see something else? That's not saying we can't use such a guy. Just what I saw.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:52 PM

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Either Kinlaw or Deal has to be a player or we will have depth issues. OK runners behind them. I give a B for depth because we brought in 2 guys to pay behind Gordon and Clement but I thought about a C there. We will need depth for sure.

Could always move Jackson back to offense in an emergency.

Any chance both Deal and Kinlaw see the field?
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:56 PM

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MantyWrestler wrote: Either Kinlaw or Deal has to be a player or we will have depth issues. OK runners behind them. I give a B for depth because we brought in 2 guys to pay behind Gordon and Clement but I thought about a C there. We will need depth for sure.

Could always move Jackson back to offense in an emergency.

Any chance both Deal and Kinlaw see the field?
Yeah, they are totally different runners for totally different packages.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:03 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
MantyWrestler wrote: Either Kinlaw or Deal has to be a player or we will have depth issues. OK runners behind them. I give a B for depth because we brought in 2 guys to pay behind Gordon and Clement but I thought about a C there. We will need depth for sure.

Could always move Jackson back to offense in an emergency.

Any chance both Deal and Kinlaw see the field?
Yeah, they are totally different runners for totally different packages.
I kind of think so too. I read where Kinlaw mentioned they want to use him on jet sweeps etc. Other then Doe we don't have that type player besides Gordon and he is the tailback. Jackson could possibly but he was moved to the other side of the ball.

Deal on the other hand is a power runner and we have a couple FB's who were primary ball carriers in high school who could fill that role as well but in todays game saving a guys, via red shirt,  is less attractive to players so if he is ready I think he will play.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:10 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
ajmadison wrote: AS long as DEAL is the real DEAL, we're fine.

I think he is.

Power and enough speed.
What I saw in his videos was a power straight ahead back (much like Clay) with little wiggle. Did you see something else? That's not saying we can't use such a guy. Just what I saw.
That's a little under-selling him.  He can stick a foot in the ground and cut back to the hole.  He'll be perfect for Wisconsin.  And at 220 if you're not hitting him head on you're in trouble.  I think he's very Carlos Hyde-ish.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:15 PM

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Kilgore309 wrote:
UnknownBadger wrote:
ajmadison wrote: AS long as DEAL is the real DEAL, we're fine.

I think he is.

Power and enough speed.
What I saw in his videos was a power straight ahead back (much like Clay) with little wiggle. Did you see something else? That's not saying we can't use such a guy. Just what I saw.
That's a little under-selling him.  He can stick a foot in the ground and cut back to the hole.  He'll be perfect for Wisconsin.  And at 220 if you're not hitting him head on you're in trouble.  I think he's very Carlos Hyde-ish.
Hyde MIGHT be a better comparison but not by much.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 2:58 PM

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I didn't mean that Clay is worse than Hyde.  Also, the lasting images of Clay for me are from late in his career.  He was a little different back earlier on.  Any way, I think Deal is going to be effective and versatile.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:24 PM

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We need to take a RB in this class regardless. We need at least 1 RB every class if only to cover the unknown. Given the options still on the board, that will happen and likely a very good one at that. We may wait quite awhile for that to happen.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:53 PM

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Unlike Iowa, Wisconsin has been extremely lucky with regard to running back health over the last nine years.

The last bad year was 2004 when Anthony Davis and his backup (Smith?) got hurt and Bernstein, the fullback had to fill in. That was great in the Hebrew Hammer game at Penn State, but when Davis went down again at Michigan State the second to last game of the season, we lost a Rose Bowl opportunity when Bernstein couldn't quite make himself into the hero at Iowa.

(Yes, in 2010 White and Clay both got hurt, but we had Montee Ball.)

We need three guys who can see the field.  The team needs to recruit a minimum of one running back a year, and two seems sensible to me since maybe one of the two will move to another position.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 6:54 PM

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Ramesh played last year. He is a soph.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 2:22 AM

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I don't think having 3 ready guys every year is realistic.  Some programs only have 1 good back.  We've been extremely lucky to have 3 good backs for multiple years now.  At some point things will revert to average.


Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back - Bruce Lee.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 2:57 AM

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UWRX95 wrote: I don't think having 3 ready guys every year is realistic.  Some programs only have 1 good back.  We've been extremely lucky to have 3 good backs for multiple years now.  At some point things will revert to average.
Having three guys that are ready and having three really good guys are two very different things.  The first is necessary, the second is winning the lottery.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 7:10 AM

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mbadger wrote: Ramesh played last year. He is a soph.
The UW website lists him as a RS-FR,  which means he didn't play last year.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 9:33 PM

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UWRX95 wrote: I don't think having 3 ready guys every year is realistic.  Some programs only have 1 good back.  We've been extremely lucky to have 3 good backs for multiple years now.  At some point things will revert to average.
To be a top level program, having 3 ready guys is in fact more than realistic, it's a necessity. 

Now, all 3 might not play, but if you look at the rosters of the perennial Top 5 teams, they have 3 guys on the roster who could play any day.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:06 PM

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Bacchus1 wrote:
UWRX95 wrote: I don't think having 3 ready guys every year is realistic.  Some programs only have 1 good back.  We've been extremely lucky to have 3 good backs for multiple years now.  At some point things will revert to average.
To be a top level program, having 3 ready guys is in fact more than realistic, it's a necessity. 

Now, all 3 might not play, but if you look at the rosters of the perennial Top 5 teams, they have 3 guys on the roster who could play any day.
Agree with Bacchus on this one...I think it is common actually. Just because a guy doesn't play doesn't mean he couldn't step in and success. Especially at the RB position where I think it is much easier to step in and produce.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:37 AM

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mbadger wrote: Ramesh played last year. He is a soph.
The UW website lists him as a RS-FR,  which means he didn't play last year.

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I don't think that is right. I think he played. Hope you are right.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 2:15 AM

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mbadger wrote:


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mbadger wrote: Ramesh played last year. He is a soph.
The UW website lists him as a RS-FR,  which means he didn't play last year.

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I don't think that is right. I think he played. Hope you are right.
Here's the page.  The team doesn't have him as playing in any games.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 7:19 AM

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According to the UW website he did not get on the field.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 9:00 AM

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BigAppleBucky wrote: Unlike Iowa, Wisconsin has been extremely lucky with regard to running back health over the last nine years.

The last bad year was 2004 when Anthony Davis and his backup (Smith?) got hurt and Bernstein, the fullback had to fill in. That was great in the Hebrew Hammer game at Penn State, but when Davis went down again at Michigan State the second to last game of the season, we lost a Rose Bowl opportunity when Bernstein couldn't quite make himself into the hero at Iowa.

(Yes, in 2010 White and Clay both got hurt, but we had Montee Ball.)

We need three guys who can see the field.  The team needs to recruit a minimum of one running back a year, and two seems sensible to me since maybe one of the two will move to another position.
No doubt, Iowa has had awful luck, but I don't agree that Wisconsin has been extremely lucky. Though I don't quite remember the years as far as whether it was the last 9 or not, but as far as losing at some time, in addition to the the guys you mentioned (and Davis missed quite a few games), PJ Hill missed some as well. We had 4 starting RBs leave early in Clay, Hill and Calhoun & Bennett. We've had 2 starting RBs whose career with Wisconsin ended prematurely - Dwayne Smith due to a heart issue & Booker Stanley due to being an idiot. Jackson hasn't proven he was going to be a for sure starting caliber RB, but certainly could have been before the knee injuries ruined that.

By and large, it could have been worse. But I don't think Wisconsin has been any luckier than the typical team in terms of health/etc at the position. Good recruiting, great offensive lines and a commitment to running the ball have just made it seem that way.

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Posted: 6/22/2014 8:18 PM

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multimed wrote: 
No doubt, Iowa has had awful luck, but I don't agree that Wisconsin has been extremely lucky. Though I don't quite remember the years as far as whether it was the last 9 or not, but as far as losing at some time, in addition to the the guys you mentioned (and Davis missed quite a few games), PJ Hill missed some as well. We had 4 starting RBs leave early in Clay, Hill and Calhoun & Bennett. We've had 2 starting RBs whose career with Wisconsin ended prematurely - Dwayne Smith due to a heart issue & Booker Stanley due to being an idiot. Jackson hasn't proven he was going to be a for sure starting caliber RB, but certainly could have been before the knee injuries ruined that.

By and large, it could have been worse. But I don't think Wisconsin has been any luckier than the typical team in terms of health/etc at the position. Good recruiting, great offensive lines and a commitment to running the ball have just made it seem that way.
Fair points.  I think I could have said, relative to Iowa we've been extremely lucky. No one could argue with that. They've been snake bitten.  Don't want that to happen to the Badgers.

I forgot to emphasize my main point that the team definitely needs extra depth at running back to ensure we don't have another Hebrew Hammer game.  (It was fun for one night, but we don't need a repeat.)

I think you also reminded me of the 2004 backup - Stanley, not Smith. 

I think with the program's reputation, the Badgers should be able to recruit a good running back every year.  (And, yes, the third string guy gets to play. Even plays significant snaps.)

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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:26 PM

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In blowouts, Badgers have gone to #5 backs.  Number 3 can be #2 in just one play.  Badgers will do fine, but it would help to have a little pass threat if not running optimum at RB position.  Just IMO.

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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:48 PM

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TheCodger wrote: In blowouts, Badgers have gone to #5 backs.  Number 3 can be #2 in just one play.  Badgers will do fine, but it would help to have a little pass threat if not running optimum at RB position.  Just IMO.
Hell #3 can be #1 - and doesn't even necessitate an an injury either. Especially while Hammock was here, there was such an amazing culture - to have both an intense competition for carries and yet still genuine camaraderie with the success of the others was pretty special. Obviously credit to the personalities of the guys we've had as well. Yes, one guy tends to rise to the top & be the clear guy over the course of a season. But the beauty of that depth and a willingness to ride the hot hand in any game means the guy who is the stronger matchup & more productive in a game gets more touches.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:37 PM

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We should be recruiting 2 every year.  Nothing has changed here.  We had 2 last year.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:58 PM

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Agree.  Nothing has changed and 2 each year is ideal.  Certainly 1 is a requirement each cycle at a minimum.  
bigmac1973 wrote: We should be recruiting 2 every year.  Nothing has changed here.  We had 2 last year.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 8:00 AM

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RB will always be an A here at Wisconsin. We re-load at RB, we have studs from Gordon on down.

Bo Ryan's offense is officially dead and has been figured out by the B1G. The only way he can continue to coach it is if he significantly upgrades the players.-George2k5

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