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Florida wants to avoid FCS teams and other SEC scheduling tidbit

  • kowitzc
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Posted: 5/28/2014 6:16 AM

Florida wants to avoid FCS teams and other SEC scheduling tidbit 


From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

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"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 6:51 AM

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It's not just SEC teams that play a weak NC slate. Look at UW in recent years....
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Posted: 5/28/2014 7:30 AM

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Ph3431 wrote: It's not just SEC teams that play a weak NC slate. Look at UW in recent years....
Yep....WI had the weakest non-conference schedule in the county for a several year period recently. I would have to look it up to refresh the memory on it.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 7:40 AM

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Well, not the weakest but it certainly wasn't strong.

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Ph3431 wrote: It's not just SEC teams that play a weak NC slate. Look at UW in recent years....
Yep....WI had the weakest non-conference schedule in the county for a several year period recently. I would have to look it up to refresh the memory on it.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 8:16 AM

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kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

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"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

One wouldn't expect Biff to change his tune just because he skulked off to Arkansas. After all, playing patsies is how he padded his record and helped get him that job.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 9:24 AM

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kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

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"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 2:15 PM

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D3Badger wrote:
kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

-------------------------------------------------- -

"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
The real issue is that they never leave the state of Florida in their Non-Conference slate. I find it hilarious that you cherry pick bad teams north of the Mason Dixon line.  How about Ohio State? How about Oklahoma? They ARE ducking those games which makes your post idiotic.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 2:17 PM

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UnknownBadger wrote:
One wouldn't expect Biff to change his tune just because he skulked off to Arkansas. After all, playing patsies is how he padded his record and helped get him that job.
I wasn't expecting him to change his tune, but it is hilarious that he says it despite some obvious counters in his W/L total.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 3:11 PM

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Florida plays FSU and/or Miami every year. That's better than any non-conference game UW has played since...Miami in 1989?

I kid...but tough games are few and far between for UW....yet Florida schedules at least one helmet school every year in the NC.

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D3Badger wrote:
kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

-------------------------------------------------- -

"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
The real issue is that they never leave the state of Florida in their Non-Conference slate. I find it hilarious that you cherry pick bad teams north of the Mason Dixon line.  How about Ohio State? How about Oklahoma? They ARE ducking those games which makes your post idiotic.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 3:36 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: Florida plays FSU and/or Miami every year. That's better than any non-conference game UW has played since...Miami in 1989?

I kid...but tough games are few and far between for UW....yet Florida schedules at least one helmet school every year in the NC.

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I think the problem people have with the gators is that they haven't played a non conference game outside of Florida since 1991.  That is indefensible regardless of who they have played (admittedly usually way tougher than what we face) in the state.
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Posted: 5/28/2014 3:57 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: Florida plays FSU and/or Miami every year. That's better than any non-conference game UW has played since...Miami in 1989?

I kid...but tough games are few and far between for UW....yet Florida schedules at least one helmet school every year in the NC.

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D3Badger wrote:
kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

-------------------------------------------------- ---
"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

-------------------------------------------------- -

First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

-------------------------------------------------- -

"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
-------------------------------------------------- -

So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
The real issue is that they never leave the state of Florida in their Non-Conference slate. I find it hilarious that you cherry pick bad teams north of the Mason Dixon line.  How about Ohio State? How about Oklahoma? They ARE ducking those games which makes your post idiotic.

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Colorado and you might say ASU this year.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 4:01 PM

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Why would playing FSU and/or Miami every year be 'indefensible?'

Seems a lot easier to defend than playing 4 patsies.


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Ph3431 wrote: Florida plays FSU and/or Miami every year. That's better than any non-conference game UW has played since...Miami in 1989?

I kid...but tough games are few and far between for UW....yet Florida schedules at least one helmet school every year in the NC.

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I think the problem people have with the gators is that they haven't played a non conference game outside of Florida since 1991.  That is indefensible regardless of who they have played (admittedly usually way tougher than what we face) in the state.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 4:04 PM

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Yes, I know Colorado in '95 but it wasn't as funny as using Miami.

I'd say undefeated champion FSU trumps 4-loss ASU last year (and in most years).

It will be refreshing, however, if the UW program gets to the point that people complain about the location of the opponent instead of the quality (or lack thereof).


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Ph3431 wrote: Florida plays FSU and/or Miami every year. That's better than any non-conference game UW has played since...Miami in 1989?

I kid...but tough games are few and far between for UW....yet Florida schedules at least one helmet school every year in the NC.

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--- kowitzc wrote:


D3Badger wrote:
kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

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"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
The real issue is that they never leave the state of Florida in their Non-Conference slate. I find it hilarious that you cherry pick bad teams north of the Mason Dixon line.  How about Ohio State? How about Oklahoma? They ARE ducking those games which makes your post idiotic.

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Colorado and you might say ASU this year.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 4:09 PM

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Ph3431 wrote: Why would playing FSU and/or Miami every year be 'indefensible?'


They play FSU every year, but not Miami. The annual series ended in 1987. They didn't play a regular-season game again until 2002; then in 2003, 2008, and 2013. They have no future meetings currently listed on their schedules.
These ARE the Good Old Days.

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Yes. I was speaking historically, not about the future.

Having either (or both) on your schedule over the last 25 years is pretty solid IMO.

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Ph3431 wrote: Why would playing FSU and/or Miami every year be 'indefensible?'


They play FSU every year, but not Miami. The annual series ended in 1987. They didn't play a regular-season game again until 2002; then in 2003, 2008, and 2013. They have no future meetings currently listed on their schedules.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 5:38 PM

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Back before Florida played Ohio State in the 2006/7 championship game, I researched their past schedules.  They had not played a regular season non-conference game outside of the SEC footprint since the 1950's.  Without looking it up, I seem to recall that Florida played a tough NC game last year. 

Tennessee has often played tough NC games.  They tend to avoid Big Ten games because of the chance of meeting one twice in a season, but they've played Pac12 and Big 12 teams as well as Notre Dame in recent years. LSU and Alabama have stepped up their NC game quality in recent years as well.

After avoiding Virginia Tech in 2008 and playing whole bunches of patsies in recent years, no Wisconsin fan has a right to complain about anybody's scheduling.

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Posted: 5/28/2014 7:48 PM

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BigAppleBucky wrote:

They had not played a regular season non-conference game outside of the SEC footprint since the 1950's.  


They played @ Syracuse in 1991, and lost 21-38.
These ARE the Good Old Days.
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OlBadger wrote:
BigAppleBucky wrote:

They had not played a regular season non-conference game outside of the SEC footprint since the 1950's.  


They played @ Syracuse in 1991, and lost 21-38.
I'll stand corrected. I probably mistook that for a home game.

The 1950's game I was thinking of was at Rutgers.

I just went back and looked at their 2013 schedule again and I take back anything good I said about it.  But Tennessee and some of the other schools have been more adventurous.

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Posted: 5/30/2014 8:49 PM

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kowitzc wrote:
D3Badger wrote:
kowitzc wrote: From ESPN

NIce to see, but that doesn't change fans real issue with Florida's, and the reast of the SEC's, NC schedule which we get to when we look at this bit of ridiculousness from Nick Saban:

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"I don't know that we have a choice sometimes," Saban said. "We can't just call people up and say, `We want to have a game.' It's not like setting up a golf game. I call up three of my buddies and say you guys want to play and you play Sunday morning. Then everybody says, `Yeah, I can play.' You ever try to schedule a game? Do you know what goes into that? It's very difficult to do home-and-home with quality teams. To be honest with you, you almost have to buy games to get people to play you.

"Outside of the neutral-site game we do and our conference games, we struggle to schedule three other games."

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First of all, Nick, Wisconsin would easily have given you a home and home, yet all you agreed to is a "neutral site" game in your backyard. Second, the reason it is hard to schedule a home and home is because your colleagues in the SEC other than Les Miles refuse to go north of the Mason/Dixon line or go west of the Mississippi River. Hard to get a home and home when all they want is a home game.  The only reason it hard, Nick, is because you and the rest of the SEC schools make it so.

Then there is a couple of quotes from our 'Ol pal Bert:

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"I know we're trying to stay away from them if physically possible," Arkansas coach Bret Bielema said.

"But I think they have their place, especially if they're a regional game. It gives an FCS (opponent) a chance to play what used to be a BCS team. I think that has a lot of merit. I was in the Big Ten when the Appalachian State thing happened and I think that makes college football pretty cool."
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So, was it cool, Bert, when you needed 3 shanked PAT's by Cal-Poly's kicker  to win that game?

So what is the real issue with Florida's schedule?  In addition to playing Alabama, Georgia, LSU (You know the one ranked team on the Badger schedule, the one team everyone wants to point to to show how much tougher the schedule is these days), and South Carolina (the team that beat the Badgers by double digits in a bowl game last year) they also have an away game against the defending national champions as their NC finale .  Oh, wait, they don't  travel north to take on the likes of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota.  Yup, clearly ducking tough games.
The real issue is that they never leave the state of Florida in their Non-Conference slate. I find it hilarious that you cherry pick bad teams north of the Mason Dixon line.  How about Ohio State? How about Oklahoma? They ARE ducking those games which makes your post idiotic.
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the problem is their Miami game is not a annual game. If they were playing Florida State and Miami OOC every year I would give them a pass, but they aren't, they are playing FSU every year but even FSU isn't good every year. You can't just play FSU and when they have a great season say "see we play FSU we have a tough schedule" if you are playing two FCS schools or a FCS school and a terrible FBS school. I'm not even asking them to play Ohio State, but playing Minnesota or Illinois in a home and home would be much better than playing Georgia State or whoever. If you play FSU and 1 or 2 other power 5 schools even if they are bad (Indiana, Cal, Wake Forest, whoever) and play 1 or 2 small conference schools but at least a FBS school (say East Carolina, Houston or Western Michigan) then I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but thats not what they do.

Florida State
Cal
Wake Forest
Bowling Green

or

Florida State
Minnesota
East Carolina
Louisiana Lafayette

would both be acceptable and respectable to me

but no matter how good FSU is in any given year...
2010
vs Miami (OHIO)
vs Eastern Michigan
vs Appalachian State
at Florida State

2011
vs Florida Atlantic
vs UAB
vs Furman
vs Florida State

2012
vs Bowling Green
vs Louisiana Lafayette
vs Jacksonville State
at Florida State

2013
vs Toledo
@ Miami
vs Georgia Southern
vs Florida State

2014
vs Idaho
vs Eastern Michigan
vs Eastern Kentucky
@ Florida State

those are not acceptable OOC schedules (except maybe 2013).

Also, very important to remember Florida is in the weaker half of the SEC and with expansion moving forward will not play powerhouse SEC schedules year in and year out. Georgia is usually tough but Tennessee has been down. Vandy is a pushover especially without Franklin. Missouri is no year in, year out threat they were more of a one hit wonder. South Carolina has been tough but has not been national championship tough and this is the best run in the history of their program, once Spurrier moves on their is no guarantee they maintain this level of success, they still have never won the SEC. Your looking at Tenn / South Carolina / Vandy / Missouri / Kentucky / Georgia every year and rotating through the West. Alabama plays Tenn every year so Florida will only see them once every 6 seasons. Auburn plays Georgia every year so Florida will only see them once every 6 seasons. Texas A&M, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St., LSU are the other West teams in the SEC Florida will play them about twice every 6 years. When you hear SEC coaches complaining recently about SEC schedules its Alabama and Florida they are talking about because they are the SEC powerhouse teams that end up catching the favorable breaks in the schedule.
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Posted: 6/1/2014 12:22 PM

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ewcoold wrote: Vandy is a pushover especially without Franklin.
They have yet to play a game since Franklin left, so you have no basis with this claim.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 6/1/2014 1:02 PM

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Not acceptable? Compared to who?

Florida's nc schedule seems very comparable to most top programs.


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the problem is their Miami game is not a annual game. If they were playing Florida State and Miami OOC every year I would give them a pass, but they aren't, they are playing FSU every year but even FSU isn't good every year. You can't just play FSU and when they have a great season say "see we play FSU we have a tough schedule" if you are playing two FCS schools or a FCS school and a terrible FBS school. I'm not even asking them to play Ohio State, but playing Minnesota or Illinois in a home and home would be much better than playing Georgia State or whoever. If you play FSU and 1 or 2 other power 5 schools even if they are bad (Indiana, Cal, Wake Forest, whoever) and play 1 or 2 small conference schools but at least a FBS school (say East Carolina, Houston or Western Michigan) then I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but thats not what they do.

Florida State
Cal
Wake Forest
Bowling Green

or

Florida State
Minnesota
East Carolina
Louisiana Lafayette

would both be acceptable and respectable to me

but no matter how good FSU is in any given year...
2010
vs Miami (OHIO)
vs Eastern Michigan
vs Appalachian State
at Florida State

2011
vs Florida Atlantic
vs UAB
vs Furman
vs Florida State

2012
vs Bowling Green
vs Louisiana Lafayette
vs Jacksonville State
at Florida State

2013
vs Toledo
@ Miami
vs Georgia Southern
vs Florida State

2014
vs Idaho
vs Eastern Michigan
vs Eastern Kentucky
@ Florida State

those are not acceptable OOC schedules (except maybe 2013).

Also, very important to remember Florida is in the weaker half of the SEC and with expansion moving forward will not play powerhouse SEC schedules year in and year out. Georgia is usually tough but Tennessee has been down. Vandy is a pushover especially without Franklin. Missouri is no year in, year out threat they were more of a one hit wonder. South Carolina has been tough but has not been national championship tough and this is the best run in the history of their program, once Spurrier moves on their is no guarantee they maintain this level of success, they still have never won the SEC. Your looking at Tenn / South Carolina / Vandy / Missouri / Kentucky / Georgia every year and rotating through the West. Alabama plays Tenn every year so Florida will only see them once every 6 seasons. Auburn plays Georgia every year so Florida will only see them once every 6 seasons. Texas A&M, Arkansas, Miss, Miss St., LSU are the other West teams in the SEC Florida will play them about twice every 6 years. When you hear SEC coaches complaining recently about SEC schedules its Alabama and Florida they are talking about because they are the SEC powerhouse teams that end up catching the favorable breaks in the schedule.

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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:56 AM

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Well, first of all, Florida plays LSU EVERY year as their PERMANENT opponent from the SEC West. UF also plays UGA, USCe, UT, UK, Vandy, & Mizzou  every year as those are permanent SEC East opponents. UF has rotated A&M & Arkansas last year and this year has Alabama on their schedule.

This year UF plays Alabama, LSU, UGA, USCe, Mizzou, and Florida State yet somehow UF's strength of schedule is being questioned? By the way IF UF managed to get out of the schedule and win the SEC East they would then have to play probably Bama, LSU or Auburn in the SEC Championship Game.

That is 7 games vs. Top 10-15 competition and the questions are why Florida's schedule is so weak?
I am an LSU fan but some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 3:14 PM

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MillervilleTiger wrote: Well, first of all, Florida plays LSU EVERY year as their PERMANENT opponent from the SEC West. UF also plays UGA, USCe, UT, UK, Vandy, & Mizzou  every year as those are permanent SEC East opponents. UF has rotated A&M & Arkansas last year and this year has Alabama on their schedule.

This year UF plays Alabama, LSU, UGA, USCe, Mizzou, and Florida State yet somehow UF's strength of schedule is being questioned? By the way IF UF managed to get out of the schedule and win the SEC East they would then have to play probably Bama, LSU or Auburn in the SEC Championship Game.

That is 7 games vs. Top 10-15 competition and the questions are why Florida's schedule is so weak?
I am an LSU fan but some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
We are talking about Florida's NON-CONFERENCE schedule. Playing in the SEC doe not excuse the fact that they refuse to leave the state of Florida in their non-conference schedule.  That is weak.

YOu really need to educate yourself on what is actually being talked about because right now you are perpetuating the stereotype that SEC fans aren't real bright.
SRS80 wrote: Arizona outclassing Wisconsin. Better athletes. Bo is losing his cool and so is the team. Zona should be up 10 at least. They will win by a comfortable margin though.

Said during Elite Eight Game UW won 64-63.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 4:34 PM

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No I don't need to educate myself at all. You boys need to stop acting like a non conference schedule is totally separate from the remaining conference schedule. Like it or not, the SEC is extremely tough and much tougher than the Big10 or some other conferences. The SEC schools beat the **** out of each other and usually play 1 tough OOC game per year. UF plays FSU EVERY year. Just as USCe plays Clemson every year. LSU usually starts the year with an OOC game. This year it's Wisconsin. In years past it was UNC; Oregon; TCU; etc.

When a conference is that difficult then playing one major OOC game preseason is understandable.
Also, there is the fact that home games are needed to pay the bills and support women's athletics, etc. Many schools in every conference do the same thing. The fact is that all you are griping about stems from the success that the SEC has had and will continue to have. It is what it is and all the crying in the world won't change it.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:09 PM

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MillervilleTiger starts crap on the site of every LSU non-con foe, I've seen him do it for years.  It will only get worse as the game gets closer. 

Most of the LSU visitors are ok but he's an exception.
kowitzc wrote:
MillervilleTiger wrote: Well, first of all, Florida plays LSU EVERY year as their PERMANENT opponent from the SEC West. UF also plays UGA, USCe, UT, UK, Vandy, & Mizzou  every year as those are permanent SEC East opponents. UF has rotated A&M & Arkansas last year and this year has Alabama on their schedule.

This year UF plays Alabama, LSU, UGA, USCe, Mizzou, and Florida State yet somehow UF's strength of schedule is being questioned? By the way IF UF managed to get out of the schedule and win the SEC East they would then have to play probably Bama, LSU or Auburn in the SEC Championship Game.

That is 7 games vs. Top 10-15 competition and the questions are why Florida's schedule is so weak?
I am an LSU fan but some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.
We are talking about Florida's NON-CONFERENCE schedule. Playing in the SEC doe not excuse the fact that they refuse to leave the state of Florida in their non-conference schedule.  That is weak.

YOu really need to educate yourself on what is actually being talked about because right now you are perpetuating the stereotype that SEC fans aren't real bright.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:39 PM

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Yeah, your conference is so hard that Alabama played an out of conference game out of state recently. You better inform them that they should know better. After all, you need to make it sound like their 90th most difficult schedule in the country going into this season based on last season team records is the level of playing an NFL schedule. 


MillervilleTiger wrote: No I don't need to educate myself at all. You boys need to stop acting like a non conference schedule is totally separate from the remaining conference schedule. Like it or not, the SEC is extremely tough and much tougher than the Big10 or some other conferences. The SEC schools beat the **** out of each other and usually play 1 tough OOC game per year. UF plays FSU EVERY year. Just as USCe plays Clemson every year. LSU usually starts the year with an OOC game. This year it's Wisconsin. In years past it was UNC; Oregon; TCU; etc.

When a conference is that difficult then playing one major OOC game preseason is understandable.
Also, there is the fact that home games are needed to pay the bills and support women's athletics, etc. Many schools in every conference do the same thing. The fact is that all you are griping about stems from the success that the SEC has had and will continue to have. It is what it is and all the crying in the world won't change it.
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Posted: 6/2/2014 9:42 PM

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Also, if you plan on wanting to come on our board and post stupid crap you better be ready to take it head on since I know the history of the SEC going back 30+ years and I can rip apart any argument you want to make. 

Alabama is the only elite SEC program right now. Auburn got a lucky bounce in the Georgia game and had to steal signs in the natty title game just to be competitive. Otherwise Florida State would have whipped their but by 4 touchdowns.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 9:42 PM

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I see NorfolkTiger is still out trying to make friends on the internet as he has none in real life. What a suck up you are.

I am responding in the defense of the attacks on SEC teams regarding the supposed weak OOC schedules while so conveniently overlooking the other 8 SEC games on every SEC teams schedule.I find it particularly odd coming from a Wisconsin viewpoint as they have played an OOC schedule in the last 3 years which contains the likes of Texas El Paso; Northern Iowa; Utah State; South Dakota; UNLV; Northern Illinois; UMass; Tennessee Tech. Sure they had an Oregon State or Arizona State on the schedule in most years but Florida has FSU on its' schedule every year. It's more than a little strange having criticism of an SEC schools'schedule when their own school is doing the same damn thing.

Now KMA.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:13 PM

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If you think many fans didn't bitch and complain about our non-conference schedule for the last several years I don't know how you can function in life. 
MillervilleTiger wrote: I see NorfolkTiger is still out trying to make friends on the internet as he has none in real life. What a suck up you are.

I am responding in the defense of the attacks on SEC teams regarding the supposed weak OOC schedules while so conveniently overlooking the other 8 SEC games on every SEC teams schedule.I find it particularly odd coming from a Wisconsin viewpoint as they have played an OOC schedule in the last 3 years which contains the likes of Texas El Paso; Northern Iowa; Utah State; South Dakota; UNLV; Northern Illinois; UMass; Tennessee Tech. Sure they had an Oregon State or Arizona State on the schedule in most years but Florida has FSU on its' schedule every year. It's more than a little strange having criticism of an SEC schools'schedule when their own school is doing the same damn thing.

Now KMA.
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