Alright so now that the ball has dropped and Boulware is out, who'd you like to see take over. I'd be cool with Miller or Faulkner coming back, but I don't know the likelihood of that happening. If not those two, then preferably someone with some Ohio recruiting ties. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tim Horton's name thrown around either considering his ties to some of the coaching staff and UW.

I think my ideal candidate would be someone like Vince Marrow but I think the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. He was a grad assistant at Nebraska before bolting to Kentucky this offseason. He has really strong recruiting ties in Ohio and his offer lists look very similar to Rudolph's when he was here. But he has real strong ties to Stoops, so again, I don't think it's likely that somehow lure him here.

I would prefer Bart Miller, but wasn't he hired as an OL coach at another school.  What about someone like Jason Eck?

I thought Jason Candle/Toledo might have merited some interest when we were looking for a WR coach. He has coached tight ends, has Ohio ties, and seems to be a very capable recruiter. No ST experience. No insider knowledge, just seems like he might be a good fit.

wiscspfan wrote: I would prefer Bart Miller, but wasn't he hired as an OL coach at another school.  What about someone like Jason Eck?

That doesn't seem to stop people.

Ilaisa Tuiaki is my #1 guess who Gary will hire.  He even has experience as a special teams coordinator as well as a recruiting coordinator which puts him over the top.

The next two guys are current OC's from the MWC but they worked with Gary before. 

Dave Schramm & Dave Baldwin

According to this site - Dave Baldwin makes the same as what Boulware would have made here ($225K).

Of course Bart Miller is an option as well but I would prefer to get someone with actual experience coaching the TE's.  Next to the experience a recruiting connection to Florida would be ideal.  I know some people said they would like to see an Ohio recruiter but what they don't realize is we already have one in Dave Aranda.  He's hit the ground running in Michigan and Ohio but with Boulwares departure we're very thin in the sunshine state.

You really have to define the parameters of what UW would be looking for first...

The TE coach is honestly a minor position and you get a TE coach for really secondary reasons.

Possible primary considerations:

• Get a special teams coach but I think this is doubtful (we already have a couple of coaches with experience teaching special teams so I don't know if that is a huge need...especially as the move of the kickoff from the 30 to the 35 has decreased the importance somewhat of special teams)
• Promote Diversity.  Always important for a football coaching staff to have your coaches come from diverse backgrounds.  Already we have two Polynesian coaches and two African American coaches, so I don't know if GA would make this an exclusive consideration.
• Get somebody that can be promoted in the future be a oline coach in an emergency (Bostad progression)
• Get somebody that can be promoted to OC in an emergency and has a good chess mind that can assist the current OC
• Get a good technician that can really teach the ins and outs of the TE position
• Get a recruiter first...either somebody who specializes in an area GA wants to target, of somebody who is good all around at recruiting
• Forget TE coach...you get a QB coach.  Lot of teams do this.  Oline and WR coaches can (and probably will next week) coach the TE's.  Ludwig and/or GA might also personally step in and coach the TE's as well.  QB coach would be really nice though...as this is the most complex and important position on the field.  And a QB coach will naturally have a good grasp of offensive schemes so would be a good assistant to the OC.
• Get a LB coach...to relieve pressure off of Aranda.  Don't think this will happen.
• Do you get somebody with coaching experience (will have seen more but could be a retread) or a graduate assistant (higher upside & less chance of bolting after a couple of months, but more risk)

do we have to do the stupid two week posting again?

What are the thoughts on Adam Scheier (TE/Special Teams coach) at Bowling Green?

What's Mike Tice doing?

I THINK the unemployed Danny Hope might solve a lot of problems if he took the job.

ajmadison wrote: I THINK the unemployed Danny Hope might solve a lot of problems if he took the job.

That he would... You couldn't ask for a better Florida recruiter at this point.

Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote: Ilaisa Tuiaki is my #1 guess who Gary will hire.  He even has experience as a special teams coordinator as well as a recruiting coordinator which puts him over the top.

The next two guys are current OC's from the MWC but they worked with Gary before. 

Dave Schramm & Dave Baldwin

According to this site - Dave Baldwin makes the same as what Boulware would have made here ($225K).

Of course Bart Miller is an option as well but I would prefer to get someone with actual experience coaching the TE's.  Next to the experience a recruiting connection to Florida would be ideal.  I know some people said they would like to see an Ohio recruiter but what they don't realize is we already have one in Dave Aranda.  He's hit the ground running in Michigan and Ohio but with Boulwares departure we're very thin in the sunshine state.

Favre Knows!   These 3 guys plus D Hope lets get er done!

How about Chmura?? Oh wait, his kid's going to MSU.

A question on Danny Hope...if he took a job as a position coach...does he lose his $ from when he was fired?

Jut wondering if there was financial reasons why he wouldn't be an option.

5centcorner wrote: What's Mike Tice doing?

At this point, I'd rather have Nate Tice.

Hope is intriguing...  Sometimes these coaches that take "Purdue" type jobs are put in no-win situations or at least situations that take more time to correct then AD's want to admit.  It doesn't mean that he is a bad coach or even a bad position coach.

I would be worried about Chmura...some of the great football players were great because of their brawn over their brain.  You really want to hire a coach for their brain.

Once again...think you have to at least consider Lance Leipold as either a new QB coach or as a new TE coach.  Very good offensive mindset with experience coaching the QB and WR positions.  I believe he's also worked with Barry and he has of course a 79-6 record at UW-Whitewater.

Lance also runs a pro-style offensive with heavy use of the tight-ends (although he used a lot of formations to be unpredictable).  Not that I think the spread is a bad offense, but some offensive minds are one-dimensionally dependent on it to be successful.  So this would be a plus if we run San Fran's "Power Pistol" as I suspect we will.

Thing with Lance though is that with all his success he should have been hired by a major program by now and there may be a sticking point with him...perhaps an unknown negative...or perhaps he really wants to stay at UWW (perhaps for family reasons).

Yes, he would be an X's and O's guy over a recruiter, but I would assume he would be able to figure out major recruiting...given the job he has done competing for kids at DIII.

wibbadger wrote: Hope is intriguing...  Sometimes these coaches that take "Purdue" type jobs are put in no-win situations or at least situations that take more time to correct then AD's want to admit.  It doesn't mean that he is a bad coach or even a bad position coach.

I would be worried about Chmura...some of the great football players were great because of their brawn over their brain.  You really want to hire a coach for their brain.

Once again...think you have to at least consider Lance Leipold as either a new QB coach or as a new TE coach.  Very good offensive mindset with expedience coaching the QB and WR positions.  I believe he's also worked with Barry and he has of course a 79-6 record at UW-Whitewater.

Thing with Lance though is that with all his success he should have been hired by a major program by now and there may be a sticking point with him...perhaps an unknown negative...or perhaps he really wants to stay at UWW (perhaps for family reasons).

Yes, he would be an X's and O's guy over a recruiter, but I would assume he would be able to figure out major recruiting...given the job he has done competing for kids at DIII.

Many coaches do not look at going from a HC back to a position coach as a step in the right direction. Even if its jumping to a higher level and profile program with more money. Stability plays a huge role in many coaches decisions as they mature. You don't have to make a lot of money if you're happy and secure where you are at.

Careful, Unknown, you'll be quickly reminded that money is the only part of the equation that matters in the decision.

pkshanov wrote: Careful, Unknown, you'll be quickly reminded that money is the only part of the equation that matters in the decision.

Yeah, I know, but it will be by the same people I have trouble with anyway. Shouldn't bother me too much.

UnknownBadger wrote:
Many coaches do not look at going from a HC back to a position coach as a step in the right direction. Even if its jumping to a higher level and profile program with more money. Stability plays a huge role in many coaches decisions as they mature. You don't have to make a lot of money if you're happy and secure where you are at.

Just found a reference that Lance interviewed in 2010 for a DII head coaching spot at Grand Valley State and was one of four finalist.

http://www.warhawkfootball.com/viewnews.asp?pId=21 89

To me that sounds like he would be interested in leaving for the right opportunity.  Madison would IMO be a step up from Grand Valley State...plus Madison is only 40 minutes from Whitewater...he could even keep his current house if he wanted to.

I certainly don't think UW-Whitewater would outbid UW-Madison.  Per this source:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30902128/Page-2-New

Lance made 72k in 2010.  He would easily make 200k or more at Madison...especially as a QB coach over a TE coach, as QB coach would be a de facto assistant OC.

He does have some downsides...some suspect he relied on a lot of his offensive coordinator who recently left and UW-Whitewater really slipped in 2012 with their new OC.  He also might have an attitude problem...

http://www.jsonline.com/business/43539347.html

But these could be nothing and he could be a really good coach

Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote:

ajmadison wrote: I THINK the unemployed Danny Hope might solve a lot of problems if he took the job.

That he would... You couldn't ask for a better Florida recruiter at this point.

With Midwest connections too.

Footballscoop is tweeting a hiring will be soon and two coaches have emerged...both with TE and ST experience....no names given

I'm guessing Tuiaki is one of em.  Eddie Faulkner would make some sense as the other candidate.  Both of em are TE/ST coaches.

I'm just happy to hear this move will be quick.

Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote: I'm guessing Tuiaki is one of em.  Eddie Faulkner would make some sense as the other candidate.  Both of em are TE/ST coaches.

I'm just happy to hear this move will be quick.

If there are only 2 candidates (which I don't think is even right), this is for sure 50% wrong.

wibbadger wrote:

UnknownBadger wrote:
Many coaches do not look at going from a HC back to a position coach as a step in the right direction. Even if its jumping to a higher level and profile program with more money. Stability plays a huge role in many coaches decisions as they mature. You don't have to make a lot of money if you're happy and secure where you are at.

Just found a reference that Lance interviewed in 2010 for a DII head coaching spot at Grand Valley State and was one of four finalist.

http://www.warhawkfootball.com/viewnews.asp?pId=21 89

To me that sounds like he would be interested in leaving for the right opportunity.  Madison would IMO be a step up from Grand Valley State...plus Madison is only 40 minutes from Whitewater...he could even keep his current house if he wanted to.

I certainly don't think UW-Whitewater would outbid UW-Madison.  Per this source:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30902128/Page-2-New

Lance made 72k in 2010.  He would easily make 200k or more at Madison...especially as a QB coach over a TE coach, as QB coach would be a de facto assistant OC.

He does have some downsides...some suspect he relied on a lot of his offensive coordinator who recently left and UW-Whitewater really slipped in 2012 with their new OC.  He also might have an attitude problem...

http://www.jsonline.com/business/43539347.html

But these could be nothing and he could be a really good coach

My point is he IS an HC NOW, and going to a position coach is a step DOWN in overall responsibility. He would no longer be calling all the shots, and in fact just following orders should he go to a position assignment. I can see him perhaps jump for a Coordinator job, but I doubt anything less. That he interviewed for an HC job at a DII program and hasn't already been added to some staff at Wisconsin should tell you something about what he's looking for, if he's looking at all.

Liepold is closing in on 50, QBed for Whitewater, and grew up in Jefferson. The strings may be pretty tight by now, and he just may feel that it's the right place to retire from.

pilprin wrote: A question on Danny Hope...if he took a job as a position coach...does he lose his $ from when he was fired?

Jut wondering if there was financial reasons why he wouldn't be an option.

Just a SWAG, but he might only lose the amount he would be compensated for from his new gig.

BTW, did Gene Chizik ever get hired  anywhere?

I would hate to see us stoop to okiehoma's level and steal someone else's coach.  But is any coach not under contract at present worth having?  This is the ncaa's mess.  THEY should place limits on open seasons for coaching movement.  It's the athletes that get hurt by this bs.  The ncaa is supposed to be looking out for the athletes.

Brumus wrote: I would hate to see us stoop to okiehoma's level and steal someone else's coach.  But is any coach not under contract at present worth having?  This is the ncaa's mess.  THEY should place limits on open seasons for coaching movement.  It's the athletes that get hurt by this bs.  The ncaa is supposed to be looking out for the athletes.

Bielema did it once or twice. The issue has always been, regardless of what people may think, good coaches especially those who fit within the program are few and far between and, of those, those who want to move fewer.

EricTheeRed wrote:

Favre2Sterlingfor6 wrote: I'm guessing Tuiaki is one of em.  Eddie Faulkner would make some sense as the other candidate.  Both of em are TE/ST coaches.

I'm just happy to hear this move will be quick.

If there are only 2 candidates (which I don't think is even right), this is for sure 50% wrong.

I'm guessing the Faulkner idea is wrong.

What about a MAC assistant with OHio connections?