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Posted: 2/12/2013 6:32 PM
JP a lot of interesting tweets on future schedules
# Badgers Alvarez (WIBA AM): BIG has agreed to stop scheduling FCS programs. "Not very appealing for fans.
Sounds as if # Badgers will get lots of Iowa and Nebraska in the new look BIG. # Badgers AD on realignment (WIBA AM): Reiterates it appears GEOGRAPHY will provide realignment road map.
# Badgers AD Alvarez (WIBA AM) said 2 home night games a year is a good number for UW.
Last edited 2/12/2013 6:33 PM by combatsports4life
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Posted: 2/12/2013 6:49 PM
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I am on board for all of this
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:02 PM
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Not surprising for new divisions. The wild card for this will be the supposed 15 and 16 teams.
I quick put this together for what I think would be most logical, and evaluated by the number of conference championships each team has won the last 20 years. Arbitrary number, but made sense with the PSU 1993 addition. Includes applicable big 12/big east/ACC championships. Includes vacated championships of OSU and PSU.
B1G WEST
WIS 6
NEB 5
NW 3
IOWA 2
ILL 1
MSU 1
MIN 0
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B1G EAST
OSU 10
MICH 5
PSU 3
PUR 1
MD 1
RUT 1
IND 0
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Not terribly uneven. You could very easily swap Mich and Mich St. depending on how they want to work the Mich/OSU situation, which will clearly be a priority.
Geographically Purdue would work better out west, but I can't see that flying.
Last edited 2/12/2013 7:03 PM by Badgers919
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:15 PM
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All good!
These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:16 PM
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Badgers919 wrote: Not surprising for new divisions. The wild card for this will be the supposed 15 and 16 teams.
I quick put this together for what I think would be most logical, and evaluated by the number of conference championships each team has won the last 20 years. Arbitrary number, but made sense with the PSU 1993 addition. Includes applicable big 12/big east/ACC championships. Includes vacated championships of OSU and PSU.
B1G WEST
WIS 6
NEB 5
NW 3
IOWA 2
ILL 1
MSU 1
MIN 0
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B1G EAST
OSU 10
MICH 5
PSU 3
PUR 1
MD 1
RUT 1
IND 0
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Not terribly uneven. You could very easily swap Mich and Mich St. depending on how they want to work the Mich/OSU situation, which will clearly be a priority.
Geographically Purdue would work better out west, but I can't see that flying. That was what I guessed months ago, although you could flip-flop the two Michigans and be OK too.
Last edited 2/12/2013 7:18 PM by UnknownBadger
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:20 PM
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UnknownBadger wrote:
you could flip-flop the two Michigans and be OK too. Both the OSU and UM ADs have said they want to be in the same division. As I understand it, the big hangup is whether MSU winds up in a different division from UM, or PU and IU are split. In either case the B1G might be forced into keeping a required cross-division game, which they are trying to avoid. These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:22 PM
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If they want a cross division game, maybe they can work it out themselves with out everyone being required one?
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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:24 PM
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I would be okay with this. Most years it would likely make for an easier road to Indy than being in the Eastern Division. Living around Philly I'd just like to be able to see the Badgers play every year at either Rutgers, Maryland, or Penn State, however it may alternate. We'll see.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 8:09 PM
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Would the B1G totally abandon their previously hard line stance of splitting up the 'old money' college football brands and put OSU, PSU, and UM in one division?
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Posted: 2/12/2013 8:25 PM
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If the B1G is smart, they'll see that trying to engineer the divisions based on what they would find desirable in terms of the championship game, or in terms of perceived "competitive balance" is counterproductive.
Things change over time, both season-to-season and longer term. You don't want berths in the championship game to be sort of pre-ordained or expected. You want teams to be fighting their guts out to get there, even the big boys. Maybe especially the big boys. You want the teams that fight for the title to be perceived as having earned it, and having to be really good to have earned it.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 8:49 PM
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I've been pulling for this one too; or swap MSU with PU would be OK too. As for rivalry, the IN-PU or UM-MSU can be protected, but that doesn't mean everyone has to have a protected rivalry just for the sake of it (and I hope they don't...I'd rather play teams more often than have some forced "rivalry"). Badgers919 wrote: Not surprising for new divisions. The wild card for this will be the supposed 15 and 16 teams.
B1G WEST
WIS 6
NEB 5
NW 3
IOWA 2
ILL 1
MSU 1
MIN 0
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B1G EAST
OSU 10
MICH 5
PSU 3
PUR 1
MD 1
RUT 1
IND 0
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:26 PM
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Badgers919 wrote: Not surprising for new divisions. The wild card for this will be the supposed 15 and 16 teams.
I quick put this together for what I think would be most logical, and evaluated by the number of conference championships each team has won the last 20 years. Arbitrary number, but made sense with the PSU 1993 addition. Includes applicable big 12/big east/ACC championships. Includes vacated championships of OSU and PSU.
B1G WEST
WIS 6
NEB 5
NW 3
IOWA 2
ILL 1
MSU 1
MIN 0
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18
B1G EAST
OSU 10
MICH 5
PSU 3
PUR 1
MD 1
RUT 1
IND 0
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Not terribly uneven. You could very easily swap Mich and Mich St. depending on how they want to work the Mich/OSU situation, which will clearly be a priority.
Geographically Purdue would work better out west, but I can't see that flying. I posted the blog item on this topic. For the record, Alvarez included Michigan, OSU, MSU and PSU in the same division. Nothing is final but he said MSU is lobbying to go west and to this point has been told no. Stay tuned.
Jeff Potrykus -- What do I want for Christmas? Taco Bell gift certificates, of course.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:28 PM
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Barry also said he'd like to see fewer bowl games overall and the Big 10 will work for a greater variety of locations... Phoenix, Miami, San Diego.
Overall, pretty much everything he said tonight is good for fans.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:50 PM
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potrykus wrote:
I posted the blog item on this topic. For the record, Alvarez included Michigan, OSU, MSU and PSU in the same division. Nothing is final but he said MSU is lobbying to go west and to this point has been told no. That's interesting, Jeff. I would have thought MSU wanted to stick with UM and OSU. So, does that mean IU and PU get split up? These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:50 PM
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Man, if Purdue goes west... I would not be complaining. Isn't it very likely that 15 and 16 come- and also come from the east? Could soon push MSU west.
Honestly, all this schedule turmoil and league expansion has been absolutely golden for us.
First off we get Minnesota every year when others have to play real schools.
Then we get put in a division with Penn State and Ohio State and **** goes down.
And now next year I fully expect to be sitting pretty for a BCS bowl even if we lose to OSU and sit the championship game out, in the last year where that could probably happen.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:51 PM
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OlBadger wrote:
That's interesting, Jeff. I would have thought MSU wanted to stick with UM and OSU. So, does that mean IU and PU get split up? As long as it doesn't impact basketball, does anyone truly care? |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:15 PM
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I am fine with all of this! Just one hesitation... if they need to keep the protected crossover game... we might get stuck with OSU or PSU this time. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing as far as entertainment, but it would make it harder to win the division if say, MSU gets Indiana instead every year. But really without PSU, OSU, or UofM in the division basically every year we have a pretty fantastic shot of making the title game
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:24 PM
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I like wisconsin in the east. Then again I live in columbus and a game every other year in columbus is one of the few perks.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:49 PM
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The best news of all of this is eliminating the garbage games against Wofford, Austin Peay and the Citadel. Thank God!
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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:48 PM
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In contrast to what most UW fans would choose, I like UW in the east with OSU and PSU, mostly for recruiting purposes. However, I do understand those that long for the yearly games against traditional rivals like Iowa and Minny.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:23 AM
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Funny--all the scheduling issues that I and a few other have bitched about for years but BA said were "impossible" to change suddenly are the new law of the land. I guess declining ticket sales and probably some sad TV ratings changed his mind. It was BS then and now that is clear. Welcome aboard BA. Took you too long but that's OK. Correct decisions are always welcome--even when delayed.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 2:18 AM
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phenom3 wrote: In contrast to what most UW fans would choose, I like UW in the east with OSU and PSU, mostly for recruiting purposes. However, I do understand those that long for the yearly games against traditional rivals like Iowa and Minny. I know a lot of people say this, and I can see why, but being in the west is much easier to win. If you are making conference championship games and BCS games (playoffs) fairly regularly, which would be easier to do in the west, recruiting would also benefit from that. I think it's a horse a piece to be honest.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 6:00 AM
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I'll believe the no FCS opponent thing when I see it... The B1G cupcake buffet is big enough internally and only gets bigger w/ the addition of MD.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 7:55 AM
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Please don't talk like this. I will be very happy if we dump those exhibitions. WiskyIrish wrote: I'll believe the no FCS opponent thing when I see it... The B1G cupcake buffet is big enough internally and only gets bigger w/ the addition of MD. |
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:26 AM
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911sfan wrote: Funny--all the scheduling issues that I and a few other have bitched about for years but BA said were "impossible" to change suddenly are the new law of the land. I guess declining ticket sales and probably some sad TV ratings changed his mind. It was BS then and now that is clear. Welcome aboard BA. Took you too long but that's OK. Correct decisions are always welcome--even when delayed. And, you don't think adding members to the conference leading to expanded schedules had anything to do with this?  These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:29 AM
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OlBadger wrote:
911sfan wrote: Funny--all the scheduling issues that I and a few other have bitched about for years but BA said were "impossible" to change suddenly are the new law of the land. I guess declining ticket sales and probably some sad TV ratings changed his mind. It was BS then and now that is clear. Welcome aboard BA. Took you too long but that's OK. Correct decisions are always welcome--even when delayed.
And, you don't think adding members to the conference leading to expanded schedules had anything to do with this? Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I don't think 911 thought much at all before he posted that. |
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:35 AM
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Badgers919 wrote:
Man, if Purdue goes west... I would not be complaining. Isn't it very likely that 15 and 16 come- and also come from the east? Could soon push MSU west. After thinking over my question to Jeff last night, I've concluded that they will have 16 members, not 14, when the new alignment is implemented. With a 14-team East-West division, Indiana and Purdue would be split. If they allowed MSU to move into the West, however, that problem would be solved. The fact that BA says MSU is not going to be allowed to make that switch, even though they want to, suggests that IU and PU both will be in the West leaving the following: West: Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland That's 8 and 6 teams respectively. And that leaves room for the oft-predicted additions of Virginia and Georgia Tech to the East. Just idle speculation, but... These ARE the Good Old Days.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 8:42 AM
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OlBadger wrote:
Badgers919 wrote:
Man, if Purdue goes west... I would not be complaining. Isn't it very likely that 15 and 16 come- and also come from the east? Could soon push MSU west.
After thinking over my question to Jeff last night, I've concluded that they will have 16 members, not 14, when the new alignment is implemented. With a 14-team East-West division, Indiana and Purdue would be split. If they allowed MSU to move into the West, however, that problem would be solved. The fact that BA says MSU is not going to be allowed to make that switch, even though they want to, suggests that IU and PU both will be in the West leaving the following:
West: Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland
That's 8 and 6 teams respectively. And that leaves room for the oft-predicted additions of Virginia and Georgia Tech to the East. Just idle speculation, but... They wouldn't go with uneven division numbers. If MSU isn't allowed to go West, it will be Purdue, and Indiana will stay in the East.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:06 AM
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I'm not sure why there is so much push-back on MSU coming West, of if there is that much push-back. That BA says there is resistance to that, I am assuming that resistance comes from Michigan in specific. It seems to make much more common sense to split the Michigan schools and send both Indiana schools east from a competitive perspective. I can see absolutely no reason there cannot be 1 or 2 protected cross-over games without mandating everyone have one. Ask Iowa and Indiana how they feel about those protected rivalries right now. Most of their fans would say "who knew".
I do not see the move to 16 coming as quickly as some here. Regardless, they must plan for 14 at this point.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:08 AM
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OlBadger wrote:
Badgers919 wrote:
Man, if Purdue goes west... I would not be complaining. Isn't it very likely that 15 and 16 come- and also come from the east? Could soon push MSU west.
After thinking over my question to Jeff last night, I've concluded that they will have 16 members, not 14, when the new alignment is implemented. With a 14-team East-West division, Indiana and Purdue would be split. If they allowed MSU to move into the West, however, that problem would be solved. The fact that BA says MSU is not going to be allowed to make that switch, even though they want to, suggests that IU and PU both will be in the West leaving the following:
West: Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana
East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland
That's 8 and 6 teams respectively. And that leaves room for the oft-predicted additions of Virginia and Georgia Tech to the East. Just idle speculation, but... What Barry says in the article is that UW and Iowa took the fall the last time around and allowed themselves to be split up, and he implies that somebody (i.e., not him) is going to have to give a little. Maybe he's outnumbered but IMO moving MSU to the West and sending Purdue to the East would be best for the conference. |
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