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You suck.

Bart Miller Leaving.

Disappointed, but not surprised. Thank you for all your hard work.

ugh do not like this combined with tf leaving do not like this at all

fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

Ironic, the OL loved him so much, and that is ultimately(imho) why he could not be retained. 

nbajam wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

Unfortunate...he appeared to really turn our oline around.  Why fix what isn't broken? Hate the idea of us brining in another spread oline coach, no wonder TF went pro.  Hopefully this new guy surprises me, but I was looking forward to Markuson(sp?) too...and that turned out awful.  I just don't trust us to be the same with a spread line coach.

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

I'm with Jam. I know the players and the great JP loved him. Bottom line is that GA, IMO, is viewing everyone of these hires as precious, which he should. He has an impressive OL coach lined up and can certainly find a more experienced TE coach with a proven coaching and recruiting track record. I give kudos for showing the, well, sack to not just hire the guy because Barry was pushing him. GA will thrive or day on the end results of this team and program and he should hire the most qualified he can get. Sack likes what he sees of GA so far, no nonsense, seems to have a firm grasp of what he wants to do. Personally excited for the spring game.
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--- nbajam wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

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nbajam wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

you really can't be serious?

Bart Miller added clear value to our coaching staff and team. The players absolutely loved him, he carried on Bostad's offensive line philosophy, and Barry Alvarez vouched for him both publicly and privately to be retained. 

Unless the eventual hire is an established ace recruiter in the midwest/east coast, I don't see why you'd jettison Bob Bostad's protege.

BelmontBucky45 wrote: Unfortunate...he appeared to really turn our oline around.  Why fix what isn't broken? Hate the idea of us brining in another spread oline coach, no wonder TF went pro.  Hopefully this new guy surprises me, but I was looking forward to Markuson(sp?) too...and that turned out awful.  I just don't trust us to be the same with a spread line coach.

TJ Woods had the OL job the day Alvarez hired Andersen.  He was part of the traveling package.  The only debate was whether Bart would stay on as TE coach.

no nonsense? I'm sorry but what sort of gusto does it take to hire a good ol' boy staff full of people you know from Utah? 

Sackman86 wrote:
I'm with Jam. I know the players and the great JP loved him. Bottom line is that GA, IMO, is viewing everyone of these hires as precious, which he should. He has an impressive OL coach lined up and can certainly find a more experienced TE coach with a proven coaching and recruiting track record. I give kudos for showing the, well, sack to not just hire the guy because Barry was pushing him. GA will thrive or day on the end results of this team and program and he should hire the most qualified he can get. Sack likes what he sees of GA so far, no nonsense, seems to have a firm grasp of what he wants to do. Personally excited for the spring game.
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--- nbajam wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

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GA needs to be able to hire the people he feels is best for the job. I know the players liked him but come on, he was not going to be coaching the O-line anyway. He has never coached tight ends before and I'd rather have someone more qualified and can recruit to coach it anyway. You can't just keep someone because the players like him. He's still inexperienced, not too long ago he was just a GA.

+1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

SoCalBadger22 wrote: +1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

you guys both realize he was a GA up until the 3rd week into the season right? How do you know he didn't have the capacity to recruit? He's young, affable, and his players absolutely loved him. Doesn't that sound like he has the makings to be a good recruiter?

And the tight ends position is an entry level position anyway. You don't really hear about veteran tight ends coaches because they don't exist.

spottedbadger wrote:

SoCalBadger22 wrote: +1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

you guys both realize he was a GA up until the 3rd week into the season right? How do you know he didn't have the capacity to recruit? He's young, affable, and his players absolutely loved him. Doesn't that sound like he has the makings to be a good recruiter?

And the tight ends position is an entry level position anyway. You don't really hear about veteran tight ends coaches because they don't exist.

I think you're actually helping our argument.  He's got a complete lack of experience, as you mentioned and the University of Wisconsin should be in the business of hiring good recruiters, not a guy that "has the makings to be a good recruiter."

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote:

SoCalBadger22 wrote: +1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

you guys both realize he was a GA up until the 3rd week into the season right? How do you know he didn't have the capacity to recruit? He's young, affable, and his players absolutely loved him. Doesn't that sound like he has the makings to be a good recruiter?

And the tight ends position is an entry level position anyway. You don't really hear about veteran tight ends coaches because they don't exist.

I think you're actually helping our argument.  He's got a complete lack of experience, as you mentioned and the University of Wisconsin should be in the business of hiring good recruiters, not a guy that "has the makings to be a good recruiter."

Eddie Faulkner was a great recruiter...he didn't come in as an established recruiter and he had never coached tight ends before. Bob Bostad had never coached tight ends before, and he didn't recruit. Then he became the best offensive line coach this university ever saw....

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--- spottedbadger wrote:

SoCalBadger22 wrote: +1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

you guys both realize he was a GA up until the 3rd week into the season right? How do you know he didn't have the capacity to recruit? He's young, affable, and his players absolutely loved him. Doesn't that sound like he has the makings to be a good recruiter?

And the tight ends position is an entry level position anyway. You don't really hear about veteran tight ends coaches because they don't exist.

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They went 7-5 with Miller as ol coach. I won't lose any sleep over him leaving. I wish him the best.

We hired Faulkner last year.  He never coached TE's until this year.   He had limited coaching/recruiting experience as well.   The TE coach is usually an entry level position.  Would have been perfect for a guy like Bart Miller who was a big hit with the recruits.  

I am sure GA will hire another west coast guy for the job so we'll be set.  

GA will own the performance of the line next year.  Hopefully it works but if it doesn't I think he'll hear it from the fanbase rather quickly.  

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

wibadgerfan06 wrote:

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--- spottedbadger wrote:

SoCalBadger22 wrote: +1

WeSing wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

Never played TE.
Never coached TE.
Not responsible for any commits.
Not an experienced recruiter.
I wish him the best, but there's gotta be a higher ceiling hire out there. 
Happy to see Andersen has the stones to make his own hires.  He deserves that.

you guys both realize he was a GA up until the 3rd week into the season right? How do you know he didn't have the capacity to recruit? He's young, affable, and his players absolutely loved him. Doesn't that sound like he has the makings to be a good recruiter?

And the tight ends position is an entry level position anyway. You don't really hear about veteran tight ends coaches because they don't exist.

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They went 7-5 with Miller as ol coach. I won't lose any sleep over him leaving. I wish him the best.

Wow,  now Miller coaches QB's and calls plays too.   Impressive.  Maybe he was responsible for the lousy use of timeouts too.

Maybe GA didn't want the players undermining the new OL coach with his new philosophies, blocking schemes, etc.  Look what happened to Markuson, although that certainly sounded justified.  The last thing he would want is players complaining and asking for Miller to "rescue" them again.  Tough call for GA, but I respect his decision.  Face it, if Markuson had lasted the season, none of us would have ever known who Bart Miller was.  Good luck to him in finding a new job - I'm sure he'll do well in his next endeavor.

Ashlon is that same troll, hopefully his mom cuts off internet privileges soon.

We couldn't muster 4th and short any more in the 3rd week with Markuson, than we could in the Rose Bowl with Miller. The difference is week 3 we blame Markuson, in the RB we blame Canada. The OL mutiny against Markuson was justifiable, he was a bad hire in retrospect. Moving forward, TJ Woods is the man now, why risk the current OL subverting him because he is not Bostad reincarnate?  Personally, I hoped he would be retained, but could see why it might make things sticky. If we hire a Utah State GA, I will be disappointed.If we get someone like Boulware( groundless speculation), I would view it as an upgrade. Time will tell.

mulvabadger wrote: Maybe GA didn't want the players undermining the new OL coach with his new philosophies, blocking schemes, etc.  Look what happened to Markuson, although that certainly sounded justified.  The last thing he would want is players complaining and asking for Miller to "rescue" them again.  Tough call for GA, but I respect his decision.  Face it, if Markuson had lasted the season, none of us would have ever known who Bart Miller was.  Good luck to him in finding a new job - I'm sure he'll do well in his next endeavor.

The number of people who just go brain dead on this board is nuts. So now Markuson was a victim? Hey I have a great idea, why change something that has been proven to work astoundingly well for 5 years when you don't have to?!

Certainly you all knew Miller wasn't coming back since Coach Andersen had not hired him yet, right? It had been waaaay to long for that to happen. Miller will do fine in his career. Wished it could have worked out, too. But I respect the head coaches decision as well. BTW, I see Brett didn't ask him either....

You don't think it takes some balls to not retain a guy who the the AD who just hired you recommended?
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--- spottedbadger wrote:

no nonsense? I'm sorry but what sort of gusto does it take to hire a good ol' boy staff full of people you know from Utah? 

Sackman86 wrote:
I'm with Jam. I know the players and the great JP loved him. Bottom line is that GA, IMO, is viewing everyone of these hires as precious, which he should. He has an impressive OL coach lined up and can certainly find a more experienced TE coach with a proven coaching and recruiting track record. I give kudos for showing the, well, sack to not just hire the guy because Barry was pushing him. GA will thrive or day on the end results of this team and program and he should hire the most qualified he can get. Sack likes what he sees of GA so far, no nonsense, seems to have a firm grasp of what he wants to do. Personally excited for the spring game.
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--- nbajam wrote:

spottedbadger wrote: fu*king stupid, stupid decision.

So is it your argument that we can't possibly find a more qualified TE coach then a guy who was basically a GA?

Or that our prima donna OL can only play for one coach?

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Wolftalk wrote: Certainly you all knew Miller wasn't coming back since Coach Andersen had not hired him yet, right? It had been waaaay to long for that to happen. Miller will do fine in his career. Wished it could have worked out, too. But I respect the head coaches decision as well. BTW, I see Brett didn't ask him either....

it's early yet. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest to see him end up at Pitt, NC State, or Arkansas.

spottedbadger wrote:

The number of people who just go brain dead on this board is nuts. So now Markuson was a victim? Hey I have a great idea, why change something that has been proven to work astoundingly well for 5 years when you don't have to?!

UW was 8-6 this season and would've been 7-7 without a missed last second field goal by Utah State.   I would not call that working astoundingly well.

I will not miss any of the offensive staff.   UW's offense played poorly enough to lose 7 games this season.   There is some elite talent on offense with Ball, Wagner, Frederick, Abby, and Gordon.  The lack of production on offense was a direct result of piss poor coaching.

It's coach A's decision to hire whomever he wants and I will back him.  Why not wait until after a hire is made to jump to conclusions?   I'd like to see a hire who is strong in recruiting Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio.   I don't think Bart Miller is a strong recruiter and we  need a presence in those states.  Who on the current staff would be recruiting those key areas?

Did you ever think that GA didn't like what he heard in his interview with BM?  Or how about he wanted someone with some real TE coaching experience and someone who has actually been on the recruiting trail before in areas of need for the current staff?  Maybe they agreed that the TE coaching position wasn't the best for Bart at this time in his very short career?  Who knows what went on, but face it, GA didn't want him to be a part of his coaching staff. Accept the decision and move on. Good luck to Bart, I'm sure he'll land on his feet and do well. 

spottedbadger wrote:

mulvabadger wrote: Maybe GA didn't want the players undermining the new OL coach with his new philosophies, blocking schemes, etc.  Look what happened to Markuson, although that certainly sounded justified.  The last thing he would want is players complaining and asking for Miller to "rescue" them again.  Tough call for GA, but I respect his decision.  Face it, if Markuson had lasted the season, none of us would have ever known who Bart Miller was.  Good luck to him in finding a new job - I'm sure he'll do well in his next endeavor.

The number of people who just go brain dead on this board is nuts. So now Markuson was a victim? Hey I have a great idea, why change something that has been proven to work astoundingly well for 5 years when you don't have to?!